show." thank you so much. that's "the ed show." i'm ed schultz. "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton starts now. good evening. >> good evening, ed. thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead. president obama warn withing russia and vladimir putin over malaysia flight 17. president obama said the disaster was with a deliberate atrocity. >> evidence indicates that the plane was shot down by surface to air missile. we know the separatists received a steady flow of support from russia. this includes arms and training. it includes heavy weapons. it inclyde colludes anti-aircraft weapons. >> russia and pro russian rebels

in ukraine have denied any role in firing the missile. but president obama said the united states will not allow any kind of cover-up. >> russia, pro russian separatists and ukraine must adhere to an immediate cease-fire. evidence must not be tampered with. investigators need to access the crash site. the solemn task of returning those lost on the plane to their loved ones needs to go forward immediately. the eyes of the world are on eastern ukraine. we are going to make sure the truth is out. >> making sure the truth is out. already the ukraine government is releasing evidence that pro russian rebels did, in fact, fire the missile. here is a report from our british partner, itn. >> today ukraine's security service released this footage

reportedly showing a russian made missile system moving into the town of turrets two hours before mh17 was downed. it was taken away today, two of the four missiles are missing. >> nbc news can't confirm those claims. but the launcher resembles the missile system that they bragged about obtaining last month which has now been deleted. the world will get to the bottom of this. 298 people died in this attack, including at least 80 children. among the dead was the one american we know for sure was on the plane. he was reportedly meeting his family in ma p lay shah for a vacation. also on board one of the world's top aids researchers, a leading

researcher in the search to find a cure. this was posted to instagram right before the plane took off. four hours before it was hit by a missile. the video shows the 298 innocent people in what would be the final hours of their lives. they and their loved ones deserve justice. joining me now, congressman greg my meeks, of the house foreign affairs committee and linda incident kinsler of the new republic. she speaks russian and has been reporting extensively on the crisis in ukraine. and former ntsb investigator greg fife. thank you for being here tonight. >> good being with you, rev. >> congressman, what's your reaction to the president's statements today and the new evidence about the missile attack? >> the president is doing what wh he should do.

one, he first wanted to make sure he had the facts. he's been communicating with the european heads of state. if putin is in control and this was the separatists that shot the plane down, the way that you apply pressure is with the additional sanctions with european allies. that's how you strengthen it. that's what the president has been doing. i think he's handling it in a very intelligent manner in which you can force putin's hand. the relationship between the russians and the european nation beforehand because of economics has been such that the united states could apply sanctions. that's not enough to give in to the pressure we need for european allies. >> linda, today the ukraine government released new

recordings it claims are between pro russian separatists apparently talking about hiding the missile launch after the plane went down. watch this. now it's clear that they are conspiring to hide. nbc has not verified the authenticity of this the recording. is there a doubt who was behind this? >> not much. the facts remain that we know the separatists had the missiles in their possession. there have been report that is the missils they had were with not working. russia is doing what it can to put out propaganda saying ukrainians were firing the missiles but the anti-terrorist operation going on in the east, they had no reason to be using

anti-missile defense systems. the separatists aren't flying plaens over eastern ukraine. only the ukraine military. those are the planes they have been proud of shooting down in the past few weeks. >> the u.s. ambassador to the u.n. samantha powell warned of a possible cover-up by those responsible. >> on july 14 separatists claimed credit for the downing of a cargo plane flieg at 6,000 meters. on july 1 they claimed credit for the downing of a ukrainian fighter jet. if russian-backed separatists were behind the attack on a civilian airliner they and their backers would have good reason to cover up evidence of their crime. >> greg are, are you concerned about the possibility of a cover-up? after all, we are not sure of the location of the black boxes. >> absolutely. if you look at where the planes went down there is territory

controlled by the separatists. they are on the ground. some believe they might have had the black boxes and taken them to russia now. impeding because it is a dangerous area. impeding others that would come in. the investigation to look to find out the truth. i am concerned. just by the geographical fact of where the plane has landed. i'm glad the u.n. and the nations there have been meeting and talking. that puts additional pressure on putin in the separatists are running to russia. >> i have a former ntsb investigator greg fife. are you concerned about this? the separatists are controlling the land where this is happened. is that not right? >> where this aircraft came down, when you look at it from a crime scene it's been pilfered, rummaged, if you will. there is talk of the fact that both boxes are already gone.

what's going to happen to them, where they are going to go and what they are going to do with the information is yet to be known. i think this is a national security issue. more so than any kind of aviation or accident investigation scenario. so it's really going to be up to u.n. security folks, military people trying to solve the intent of the shoot-down and who actually did it. >> what will investigators be looking for when they get there? it's a difficult scene. >> when you look at what it is and it's now a crime scene. of course we don't know how much evidence is still in existence given the foot traffic that's been through there with reporters, rebels, locals and that kind of thing. what investigators will be looking for is telltale signs, any kind of remnants of a missile-type explosion. external residue, shrapnel penetrations on parts of the aircraft fuselage skins and that kind of thing. they will also be looking at the

remaining victims to see if there is any kind of evidence of shrapnel wounds to the victims. >> linda, the president today talked about sanctions and president putin. watch this. >> i spoke to president putin yesterday in the wake of additional sanctions we imposed. he said he wasn't happy with them. i told him that we have been very clear from the outset that we want russia to take the path that would result in peace in ukraine, but so far at least russia has failed to take that path. >> the president was clear that the it came from control territory. by the rebels. he was very clear on that. is there additional sanctions needed against russia? >> probably. >> i think when we issued the sanctions this week we were very careful in making sure that they were just enough to put pressure

on the kremlin, but not enough to really force them to stop the flow of separatists into eastern ukraine. the border has never been cleared. there might be more fighters coming in. it's possible. >> congressman you have been there. the a.p. is saying that pro russian rebels are denying responsibility by floating some of the most bizarre conspiracy theories you can imagine. one rebel leader said, suggesting many of the victims may have died days before the plane took off claiming, quote, the bodies were drained of blood and reeked of decomposition. if the separatist rebels are behind this, how far will they go to avoid responsibility? >> here is where putin has to step up. he has to see these guys he's been supporting are out of

control. this is an out of control situation. he needs to step in. the president is putting pressure on putin. he needs to tell the separatists to cut it out and give the country back to the ukrainians and let them kol their own country. and pull his troops away from the borders and get out of the situation. that's what needs to take place. >> greg fife, what do you expect to see in the next few days? >> i would hope that part of the world and that accident site there is a lot of lawlessness, a lack of civil ti. if you will have a team do investigation, especially a criminal investigation, trying to gather evidence to support the fact that this aircraft was an intentional act, shot down. they will have to secure that site so the investigators can go in and not only collect evidence, but the remaining victims that still remain out there are given dignity with the

recovery of their remains and of course return to their respective families. >> it's a very difficult problem. thanks to all of you for helping us try to better understand it. congressman greg meeks, linda kinsler are and greg fife, thank you for your time tonight. >> you're welcome. >> coming up, how this international crisis is provoking a political fight here at home. senator mccain even says president obama has gone awol. we'll talk about that ahead. also, the progressive game playing for fairness in 2014. the game may be rigged for the rich, but elizabeth warren won't back down. >> so the way i see this is we can whine about it, we can whimper about it, or we can fight back. i'm fighting back. and the dramatic march in detroit today for something so

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this should snap everybody's heads to attention and make sure we don't have are time for propaganda or games. everybody needs to make sure we are withholding accountable those who committed this outrage. >> there are still many unanswered questions about the shoot down of malaysia air license flight 17. the president is working with his national security team to get facts. it's a serious foreign policy issue. but some conservatives already want the president to go further, including senator john mccain. he wants what he always seems to

want -- to send in american troops. >> move some of our toops into with areas being threatened by vladimir putin. countries like the baltics and others. move missile defense to the places we got out of like the czech republic and poland, and other places. impose harsh sanctions on vladimir putin. that's for openers. >> after years of wars overseas do the american people want more troops in harm's way? and do we really want to send troops to these baltic states? right on russia's doorstep. it would be like putin sending troops to cuba or mexico. now is a time for measured action not rash are decisions or saber rattling from the right.

joining me now is solange joan walsh. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> why is the first response always to send american troops thousands of miles away for john mccain? >> especially in this situation, reverend. the first segment laid out the questions. we think we know the separatist rebels did this. the idea to send more weaponry into an area like this where people are already misusing weapons is crazy. you know, senator mccain -- i'm not sure there's been a conflict in recent years he hasn't thought we should have more troops and more weapons. from iran to iraq, libya, syria, nigeria and now ukraine. this is his standard answer when what we need is first of all an investigation then to work with our european allies to find out how to stop the violence in ukraine. >> he goes beyond that into

personal attacks on the president over this. watch this. >> this is just what we used to call in the military awol. it's been cowardly. it's a cowardly administration that we have failed to give the ukrainians weapons with which to defend themselves. >> cowardly? awol? >> no, no. you don't say that about the commander in chief. i respect this man for his service. if we are going to talk cowardly, somebody tried to put sarah palin a heartbeat away from the presidency so he hoped to hold onto his right wing base. somebody has a lot to atone for and a lot to think about. shouldn't toss around words like cowardly. >> and awol. >> you know what they do to people who are awol. this is, again, the extremism -- >> it's a serious thing to say, especially framing it in

military terms. americans made it clear they don't want to keep getting involved in overseas conflicts n. a recent poll only 19% said america should be more active p in world affairs. 30% said we should keep involvement at the current level? 47% said we should be less active. there is no real appetite for the american public to jump into affairs around the world. particularly putting our military in harm's way. >> they are tired of it. we have people in detroit with their water turned off. we have problems at home people are aware of. when there is a need for global leadership we'll be there. the other thing i think is short-sighted is this is an

opportunity to work with european allies trdragging thei heels on sanctions. europeans died for the most part in this awful tragedy. there is really an opportunity to get other people to stand up and join us. not by beating his chest and rattling sabres. >> the right wing has started coming out. no huge surprise. a lot of the inappropriate rhetoric are from right wing pundits, let me give you a couple of them. >> what's next? golf flags at half mast since he plays golf half the time? where is presidential action here? >> missing in action. that's the problem. leading from behind. >> this is a policy of appea appeaseme appeasement. while i don't think anybody could have foreseen this tragedy it is entirely understandable

that something like this has happened because of the way putin has perceived american weakness. >> just really out there with rhetoric that's very provocative before we even are clear on what happened, and what european nations may do. >> these guys don't recognize leadership unless it is macho swaggering leadership. that seems to be a problem with their own masculinity or security in life. they don't recognize it if they can't see it and it doesn't involve shouting "i'm the leader". >> joan walsh, thanks for your time. have a great weekend. >> you, too. >> come up, the humanitarian crisis happening now in detroit. thousands came out to protest the city shutting off water for the poor. first, breaking news tonight on day two of the israeli ground invasion into gaza. that's next. tomorrows a reality

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tonight in the middle east, israel's prime minister is warning that his operation in gaza may widen significantly in the coming days. we are now into day two of the israeli ground invasion into gaza. today we have seen several rockets fired over the west bank. israel has attacked hundreds of targets in the gaza strip over the past day and a half. going after rocket launchers and under ground tunnels which they say hamas is using to attack their territory since the ground invasion began, at least 25 the palestinians and one israeli soldier have been killed. the israeli prime minister warned the ground action could last for weeks. this afternoon the u.n. security council held an emergency

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who's fighting for fairness in this country? republicans spent this week talking about lawsuits and impeachment. today, senator elizabeth warren, a champion of the middle class laid out the democratic agenda. >> we believe that wall street needs stronger rules and tougher enforcement. we believe that the no one should work full-time and still live in poverty. that means raising the minimum wage, and we will fight for it. oh, we believe. i can't believe i have to say this in 2014. we believe in equal pay for equal work. and we are willing to fight for

it. and we believe that corporations are not people, that women have a right to their bodies. we will overturn hobby lobby and we will fight for it. >> minimum wage, equal pay for equal work, making sure everybody gets a fair shot. these are the issues president obama called the defining challenges of our time. >> this is the challenge of our times, making sure if you work hard and you are responsible anybody can get ahead in this country. >> people get paid more, the economy grows. more products get bought. the rich get richer, the middle class grows. and the poor have a vision for a way up. >> we do better when the middle class does better, when workers get a decent salary, when they have decent benefits. >> we do better when everyone gets a fair shot. and that's a fight, senator warren says, she'll keep

fighting. >> the game is rigged. and the rich and the powerful have lobbyists and lawyers and plenty of friends in congress. everybody else, not so much. so the way i see this is we can whine about it. we can whimper about it. or we can fight back. i'm fighting back. i'm ready to fight back. are you ready to fight back on this? >> she's ready to fight back. and so are we. joining me now congresswoman jan shakowski, chem. of illinois and angela rye. senator warren is talking about helping working people. how much does the message resonate? >> you could hear from are the crowd that was at the nat roots conference.

she could give that speche anywhere. she gave that speech in west virginia where many people think that's a red state and we don't have a chance. you can give that speech in the urban north or the rural south and people hear the message that the system is rigged. it's a word elizabeth warren uses that the system is rigged against ordinary people who are just trying to make it in america. that's why the democrats have started a campaign for jump starting america. an economic agenda that we are going to take into the elections in 2014. we are going to do what elizabeth warren says. not just whine, not just whimper, but we are going to fight. that means getting people out to vote, too. >> you know, angela. senator warren pushed the idea that the wealthy and corporations are treated differently in this country. listen to this. >> just look at the big banks.

they cheated american families, crashed the economy, got bailed out. now the biggest banks are even bigger than they were when they were too big to fail in 2008. they still swagger through washington, blocking reforms and pushing around agency. a kid gets caught with a few ounces of pot and goes to jail. but a big bank launders drug money and no one gets arrested. the game is rigged. it isn't right. [ applause ] >> as the congresswoman said, she talks, senator warren that is, about the american people agree the system is rigged. a recent poll from pew found 62% say the economic system unfairly favors powerful interests. how do we change this? >> we have to start with undoing things like citizens united.

the way the court sven ruling now is against people. the fact that you have to pay to play in politics in all ways, shapes and forms is problematic. we can't get folks to even consider a bill on raising the wage to ensure people with can keep their lights on, go vote and li from day to day. the american dream has become a nightmare for so many people because we have people elected to office that just aren't there to advocate for their interests. they won't even vote. they are not passing any legislation on the hill. >> you know, while democrats are talking about economic issues, the right has been focused on impeachment this week. listen to this. starting with georgia congressman and senate candidate jack kingston. >> with this lawsuit, by the time there is any resolution, he'll be out of office. so is this maybe the first step to issue articles of impeachment? >> you know, it could go in that direction if there was a big

discussion. i mean, i think it's possible. >> i'm not prepared at this point to call for the impeachment of the president. >> i haven't spoken in favor of impeachment. although under certain circumstances and if the political will for it could be developed, i mean it's all dependent on that. >> will this kind of talk backfire on them, congresswoman is this. >> i absolutely think it will. how many millions of taxpayer dollars is it going to cost for them to sue the president of the united states? remember, rev, what they are suing barack obama for is not enforcing obamacare. think about that. the hated obamacare. he didn't enforce the employer mandate by postponing it for a year. that's why they are going to spend millions and millions of taxpayer dollars in order to sue the president? that's the contrast. democrats are going to be jump

starting the middle class saying within a hundred days of taking the majority which we can if those same people that are cheering elizabeth warren and struggling to make ends meet get out to vote. they are wasting money on a silly and really frivolous lawsuit to sue the president of the united states like they spent $74 million to shut down the government. ridiculous. >> you know, the democrats really have an upper hand on economic issues. because take a look at these numbers. 71% of americans support raising the minimum wage. 54% support raising faxes to help the poor. and 52% want to extend unemployment benefits. how do democrats use this to their advantage in the midterms this year? >> i think part of it is staying focused on the issues. something has to move somewhere in either chamber. i think you would hear senator

reid, for example, say he also feels he's been in some way held hostage by the fact that the majority isn't large enough. i disagree that the majority will flip in the house in 2014, perhaps in 2016. the best way to do it is ensure they stay focused on what the american people want the to hear. that's starting to ensure that the bottom rises. that the wanls are raised. that women are paid fairly. all of the other issues that matter. impeaching the president just isn't on the agenda of any real in touch american person. when dick cheney was interviewed he said the president was the worst in history. perhaps he forgot about his administration, during his vice presidency. i think the real issue is staying focused on what matters and the only way to do that, that's the only way you will really advance any type of american dream and an agenda that makes sense to the american people. >> i will have to leave it there. jan schakowski and angela rye,

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there is a human rights crisis happening right now in detroit. today over 1,000 people came out in downtown detroit the calling for the city to turn the water back on for over 17,000 residents. they are demanding an end to the shut-off for people whose accounts are overdue. 3,000 households have been getting their water shut off per week for not paying their bill. today activists, unions, politicians and residents, including mark ruffalo said water is a basic human right. >> water now! >> this is what democracy looks like!

>> no justice. [ cheers and applause ] >> how is this happening in america? it's austerity gone wild. does the financially bankrupt city of detroit need to raise money? yes. not like this. governor snyder and unelected managers are trying to balance the city's books on the backs of the poor. they are leaving 17,000 without water to drink. they can't cook for their families. they can't bathe. they can't even flush a toilet. >> what kind of government would allow its people to live without water. what kind of people are we? >> you are can't live without water. you want to cut off a family's water without notice because you're late? >> can't take a bath, wash clothes, cook food, it's unsanitary. >> how do i live?

i don't want to get emotional on camera, but this is my life. you're taking everything that i have worked for. >> water is a basic human right. it should be available to everybody, not just for those who can afford it. it's time to restore services immediately. joining me now live from detroit, reverend charles williams wi williams, ii, president of the national action network. reverend david alexander bullock, national spokesman for the change consortium. thank you for being here. >> thanks for joining us. >> reverend williams, you led proare tests today. give the viewers a sense of the water crisis people are facing. >> well, reverend sharp ton, 50 years ago lyndon johnson signed the civil rights bill.

today we are marching and fighting for not race segregation but now class segregation. where people aren't getting access to basic public services because governor snyder decided to dehydrate detroit. >> the poverty rate in detroit is over 38%. unemployment is high as 14.5. they just increased the water bill rate by 8.7. the detroit water rate is plus 119% over the past decade. something seems wrong with the picture. >> that's right are. something is wrong. >> we have a race to the bottom instead of a race to the top, reverend sharp ton. we are organizing and mobilizing folks are from across the city of detroit, across the state of michigan to prepare ourselves to be engaged in this election. because the buck stops in one

place. and that is only on the desk of governor rick snyder. so folks have to understand that it's not our mayor. they have no power. it's not the city council. it's governor snyder. not only are we going to protest. we are going to register folks to vote and push them out to vote in our freedom summer initiative that you have kicked off national land that we are working on in michigan, ohio and across the country. >> reverend bullock, give us a sense of how people are suffering and dealing with this. also, people need to understand the hypocrisy. is everyone getting the same treatment? i'm told there is not the same treatment for major corporation s and others that owe substantial water bills. >> you're right. people whose water is shut off can't prepare formula for children, seniors can't take

medicine, they can't bathe themselves. this is a health crisis in the city of detroit. while you are shutting off people who are 60 days late and owe $160, you don't have the accountability for corporations. ford field, $55,000, palmer park dpofl course $500,000. city of detroit, $20 million. >> wait, wait a minute. you've got people owing $50,000, half a million dollars and their water isn't disturbed but you have mothers who can't boil water for their babies because they couldn't pay a bill after we have seen the rise of unemployment or the rise are of joblessness while at the same time they have increased the rates over the last several years by 119%? >> that's right, reverend sharp ton.

hear me clearly. corporations are not being shut off. joe louis arena, $55,000. ford field, $55,000. city of detroit around $20 million. the state of michigan has a $5 million water bill just on the state fairgrounds alone. they are not going after the municipal or corporate actors. they are going after grandma, grandpa. this is a war on the poor. at the same time -- >> the state of michigan now, the governor and them are the ones doing this. no wonder you could get the numbers out today. this is blatant. >> the national nurses united union stood with us today. they announced today detroit is a public health crisis. people don't have access to healthy, clean drinking, bathing, cooking water. it's wrong. it's also wrong for snyder and orr to give 5% pay increases.

5% pay increases to all of the employees that make almost over $100,000 a year. it's also wrong for the state of michigan and the city of detroit to give a half a billion dollars, not a million. half a billion dollars in tax subsidies so they can build a new are red wings stadium while at the same time folks at the bottom are being pushed further by cutting off their water. this is wrong. we've got to fight and stand up against this. we want to thank the national folks who came in to help us. we're going to continue this movement. >> reverend, they are passing to have a new stadium? at a time when they are cutting off the water on 17,000 people. >> look, reverend sharp ton. the city of detroit gave prime property to mike ilich for a dollar. took money from education for $35 million and transferred it to another fund so they could use public dollars to build a

hockey stadium that most folks who live in the neighborhoods will never see the inside of. to add insult to injury, 125 communities are supplied water by the detroit water system. the suburbs have their own accounts and so why are they trying to act like somehow the detroit customers are the reason why the entire system has debt? we need to look at the other communities this system supplies and make sure they are paying their bills as well. >> reverend williams, what will make snyder and the others understand that this is serious? will the communities in michigan come out and vote? he's up for election this year. he started this. >> reverend sharp ton, we'll educate, organize, mobilize and organize folks from across the state of michigan to get out and get ready to get involved in this election. national action network members have hit the streets across the

state. but that's what it's going to take. that's the only thing that's going to win against this water. that's only thing that will win against the egregious policies that continue to drive folks further into poverty. >> this is a human right. this is atrocious. reverend charles williams, ii. david alexander bullock, thank you for your time and dedication. >> thank you. coming up, news on the california highway beating caught on tape. the woman is now fighting for justice. ♪ in the nation, the safest feature in your car is you. add vanishing deductible from nationwide insurance and get $100 off for every year of safe driving. which for you, shouldn't be a problem. just another way we put members first, because we don't have shareholders. join the nation. nationwide is on your side.

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there is news tonight many the case of a california highway patrolman caught on tape repeatedly hitting a woman in the head during an arrest. >> oh, my gosh. why? [ siren ] >> attorneys for the woman who was beaten on that tape have filed a federal civil rights lawsuit against the officer in that video. the commissioner of the california highway patrol as well. >> he was throwing vicious blows that were shockingly in the manner they were delivered, the power they were delivered. you can easily suffer brain injury or have are serious

injury as a consequence of that. you can't pound a person into submission and expect to get away with it. attorneys are asking the officer be charged with attempted murder for his use of excessive force in this case. we'll continue to follow the story.

finally tonight, the 298 victims of malaysia flight 17. they were parents and children starting vacations. medical experts headed to an important conference. at least 80 children lost their the lives in the attack on the plane including three infants and three children who were going home to australia with their grandfather. at the crash site, children's books and stuffed animals are strewn among the wreckage.

makeshift white flags marked where the bodies lay in corn fields and among the debris. one american was confirmed killed. 19-year-old quinn lucas shansman, born in new jersey but lived most of his life in holland. yesterday he was on his way to meet his family for a vacation. 25-year-old car lean kaiser was a doctoral student in chemistry at the university of indiana. she was a member of the women's rowing team three years ago. also on board, one of the top aids researchers, a leading figure in the push to find a cure. for one mother, a different outcome. she missed the flight. >> feeling physically sick. coming through the airport i was just crying. i'm just thinking i feel like i have been given a second chance.

>> this video made by a passenger and posted to instagram right before the plane took off shows 298 innocent people were about to lose their lives. our condolences to their families. to honor all of them, we must seek justice. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. have a great weekend. "hardball" starts right now. >> the day after. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm filling in for chris matthews. leading off tonight, looking for answers into what happened to malaysian air flight 17. tonight president obama said the plane was shot down by a missile fired through an area controlled by russian-backed