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i got some good news and some bad news today. well, one of those things is true. the deadliest day yet so far in this conflict. >> absolutely shambolic situation. it does look more like a garden cleanup than a forensic investigation. >> a staten island man who later died in custody placed in an apparent chokehold. >> first up. developing news right now. president obama's strongest words yet for russia following the downing of malaysia air flight 17. four days after that jet was shot out of the sky and pro-russian separatists continue to control the crash site, just last hour, malaysia's prime minister announced he'd reached a deal with separatists to turn over the bodies of the victims and the black boxes.
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speaking outside of the white house just over an hour ago it was russia and specifically vladimir putin that president obama called on to intervene. >> these separatists are removing evidence from the crash site, all of which begs the question, what exactly are they trying to hide? russia has extraordinary influence over these separatists. no one denies that. russia has urged them on. russia has trained them. we know that russia has armed them, given its direct influence over the separatists, russia and president putin in particular. >> joining me with the u.s. response, nbc news senior white house correspondent chris jansing. what's next? >> that's a key question. the president said in that talk that there would be increasing consequences but exactly what they would be from the united states is something they had not been wanting to show their hand on. now here's what we do know. there were clearly two separate messages that the president made in those eight minutes. one was a moral argument. there is no doubt the way that
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crash scene has been handled is terrible. it's going to make it much more difficult to determine exactly what happened with the sort of specificity that investigators are looking for. but it's an abomination, the way the victim's bodies have been handled. and so that message going out, not just to the american people but to the european partners. it is mostly europeans, of course, who were killed an that flight. but also who would bear the brunt of the consequences if the next step is taken. and what the president has been saying for some time is europe needs to really up the ante. the united states last thursday announced tougher sanctions. now they want their european allies to do that as well. of course, the economic consequences there would be huge. now what else might the united states consider? one thing has been talked about is whether or not, now that we provide nonlethal assistance to the ukrainian military, would we consider upping the ante on that? the president was asked that question very clearly on friday and he said no. he also said very clearly no
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boots on the ground. if you looked at the polls taken over the past several days it's clear there's no appetite among the american people for that. so right now, the president trying to put pressure on europe to try to get them to increase the sanctions but also obviously putting pressure on vladimir putin because there is a diplomatic opening for him, but that window does seem to be closing. >> nbc's chris jansing, appreciate those insights. with so much condemnation, how much longer does russia get treated like a legitimate world power? right now more on that in just a few minutes. first, fast-moving developments right now in the middle east. any moment now secretary of state john kerry is expected to touch down in cairo, struggling to revive an egyptian-brokered truce. this as loss of flife in gaza nw topped 500. four killed today in gaza after the third floor of a hospital was struck. reportedly by israeli tank shells. the associated press reports that 60 people were injured in
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that attack. the israelis side of the conflict, 20 are confirmed dead. among them, a dozen soldiered ambushed by hamas militants. joining me is nbc news foreign correspondent ayman mohyeldin. we're glad you're safe out there. what's the latest? >> the sound of the israeli fighter jets above -- >> we're having trouble getting ayman mohyeldin there. we'll see if we can get him back on the line. of course, all of this devastation in gaza. the extraordinary toll in terms of human suffering is putting u.s. leadership and international leadership in a tough position. secretary kerry is traveling to cairo and a hot mike moment has a lot of people questioning whether he and u.s. leadership are engaged in a bit of double speak. we'll get to more of that in a few moments. first up, today autopsy results are expected in the death of a man whose fatal confrontation with the nypd was
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caught on a cell phone video and went viral. he went into cardiac arrest shortly after an officer appeared to take him down using a chokehold. he was captured on video saying at least eight times that he couldn't breathe. now four ems workers are on modified duty. that's the term for people being placed on administrative leave with their badge stripped. a police officer is also on that list. garner's family is demanding answers. the city's police commissioner spoke out about this over the weekend. take a listen. >> the chokeholds are prohibited by the new york city police department. as they are in fact, by most police departments in the united states because of the concerns of potential death arising from them. >> police were arresting garner on suspicion he was selling loose cigarettes. texas governor rick perry is expected to make a announcement he may deploy 1,000 national
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guard troops to the border. the paper is saying that perry is going to call for a gradual build-up of those national guard troops at the texas/mexico border with the potential of reaching that 1,000 number in justice a month. now that question of russia's role in the world following the downing of flight 17 and whether isolation is going to turn into actual isolation. the u.s. government has said with confidence that pro-russian separatists believed to have downed that jet were trained by the russian military. armed by the russian military. so how much longer can a power that hands out the hardware to shoot down commercial airliners murdering hundreds of innocent people play the role of legitimate world power? how much longer can it evade tougher eu sanctions. how much longer can it hold on to hosting the next world cup? that is still happening much to online outrage right now. you see an article on that subject there. joining me in the studio to discuss, michael weiss and nina
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khrushneva. she knows this region well. we'll go to her first. nina, the obama administration is pushing to increase sanctions. do you think we'll see sectorwide sanctions and do you think that can actually work with an intransigent regime like this one? >> we should see more sanctions. i don't know whether he's going to push and be successful with that, but we should see sanctions because we cannot curtail putin without curtailing putin and expecting him suddenly to feel guilty and give up whatever he's shown he's doing. so that is one answer. and another thing is that if he does, if we do curtail putin, i think there will be some good results precisely because of the economy. i think on this show we talked about that markets do not follow orders. and up to $200 billion. >> the stock market really dipped after this flight crashed. so they're not insulated
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completely. what do you think? we've been down this road of sanctions with russia so much. what can make this next attempt different? >> the information that we are sitting on about russian stolen money, corruption, vladimir putin's personal wealth, that is such a powerful tool at our disposal. and we have really not exercised it at all. the first suite of sanctions, the most interesting disclosure in all of that was that putin owned assets in a swiss commodities trader. the founder of that was sang sanctioned by the united states. what else does he own? where are his properties in europe? his bank accounts? what offshore holding companies that have russian oligarchs loyal to him -- >> which sounds like the importance of europe in this. do you think russia is going h rise to the challenge? >> i actually think they won't. the uk has become, i am sorry to say this, it's become one of the world's largest hubs for russian money laundering. russian businesses investing in real estate, investing in the
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city of london. i lived there for three years. i talked to financial investigators who were all over this stuff. and david cameron came out today and gave a very good statement about pushing back against this aggression. this is a terrorist attack on european soil. killed 300 people including the world's leading hiv researchers. europe has got to decide, do they want an easy street with russia? do they want to take all this dirt blood-soaked money or finally call time on this game? >> in fairness, they face the challenge of a next door neighbor they are looking at. the stakes are higher for them but one has to hope they'll rise to the call. nina, what about this question of the world cup. so many look back on sochi already as something of a fig leaf on an intransigent russia not respecting international norms. will we sea that happen again? >> i hope we're not and we shouldn't. the fact that we just having this conversation is despicable. even before sochi it was clear this is really not a stable country that should be holding international games.
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and it was giving putin an opportunity to present himself as a nation. then we immediately saw it is not a modern nation. it doesn't uphold to international rules. and we are still yet again giving him opportunities, something that michael said, is that we don't see europe pushing for more sanctions. i think we actually just talked about it. the question is, in the cold war, there was an expression, better dead than red. well, better cold than dead. >> and what do you think, do you think holding a sporting event which already in terms of how russia has publicized it is clearly significant to putin and could have political impact? >> it dovetails with what i said before. the sochi olympics, one of the most corrupt, criminal olympics in terms of the machine thoney stolen. this is the most important thing. this money is stolen from the russian taxpayers. russia's gdp according to an independent investigation conducted a year ago said one-third of the gdp is stolen,
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frittered away money. it winds up in swiss bank accounts, in latvian banks and then laundered all throughout europe. this is what putin is doing to his own people. his approval rating is through the roof. it would be because russian media is state kroeld. the first thing putin did when he became president and realized the power of television. he decided to nationalize it and control the narrative. today, what is the russian government saying about this crisis, this tragedy? they are saying actually it's not just the ukrainians to blame. it's the united states that shot down this plane. total travesty. >> every comment saying this is about ukraine fermenting this conflict which is trying to deflect. we'll see if people rise to the challenge. we'll put this question to the audience. michael and nina, we appreciate it. now we want to know what you all think at home. should russia host the world cup in 2018? it's a turning point right now and in the coming days, right in the wake of this crash, there may be a chance to actually influence leadership on this. we're having a hashtag battle on
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this. weigh in using one of these two tags either #russiaworldcup or #norussiaworldcup. we'll stick with covering this issue because this is going crazy online and it seems a moment of moral outrage that we should all be rising to. up next this hour, after getting caught an a hot mike this weekend, john kerry arrives in egypt to attempt to help end the fighting between israel and hamas. will it make a difference? we're going to dig in right after this break. stay with us. if hiring plumbers, carpenters and even piano tuners were just as simple? thanks to angie's list, now it is. we've made hiring anyone from a handyman to a dog walker as simple as a few clicks. buy their services directly at angieslist.com no more calling around. no more hassles. start shopping from a list of top-rated providers today. angie's list is revolutionizing local service again. visit angieslist.com today. [guy] i know what you're you're thinking beneful.
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they'll be put in harm's way. >> that was israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu speak with our brian williams. we'll have more of that on "nightly news" an nbc. u.s. leadership is out condemning violence in gaza. is it enough and particularly after some controversial hot mike comments from our secretary of state. is it honest enough? secretary kerry is due in cairo any minute now to try to revive a cease-fire. he's navigating a messaging mind field as attacks on both sides escalate. seven soldiers were killed in fighting today. overall at least 27 israelis have died during the fighting. hamas also fired 100 more rockets at israel today. some of them aimed at tel aviv. no injuries or damage have been reported. israel doubled down on the brutal ground invasion that's killed hundreds upon hundreds. we now have nbc's ayman mohyeldin back with us from gaza. we're glad you're safe out there and glad we finally got you on
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the phone. what's the latest there? >> well, ronan, just before you came to us previously, the sound of israeli fighter planes was hovering overhead as they flew down and dropped their loads on a target. not yet sure what that target was but we heard a loud explosion. it's been that way throughout the course of the morning. most of the fighting on the ground in gaza has been concentrated in the eastern part of the territory. and that's where you also cited israel has identified soldiers having been killed in the go gunfight there. the focus on the ground for humanitarian officials is the rising civilian death toll and the pressure that is being put under health officials here to try to cope with the spike in number of those fleeing the front lines of the fighting. the united nations says about 85,000 people have now been displaced and are taking refuge at u.n. schools across the territory.
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it is all right now a race against time. we've been saying that for the past week and certainly that is going to be the monumental challenge facing secretary of state john kerry. the palestinian faction has made clear they'll not accept a cease-fire unless there is some type of change to the structure of this siege that's been imposed on gaza for the better part of the last seven years. israel will not accept anything of a complete cessation of rockets and attacks on its soldiers and civilians. there's a wide gap. it's going to be a monumental challenge for secretary of state john kerry to narrow that gap. right now the united states seems to be preferring to return back to the status agreement back in november of 2012 that simply resorted to having calm on both sides. that's not going to be good enough, at least according to palestinian sources we've been speaking to. they want to see a blockade an gaza completely lifted, ronan. >> thank you for that, ayman. stay safe out there. the gut punch of the human toll on the ground we've just heard about was accompanied by
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this, the infamous open mike moment. >> it's a hell of a pinpoint operation. it's a hell of a pinpoint operation. >> it's escalating significantly and underscores the need for a cease-fire. >> we've got to get over there. thank you, john. i think, john, we ought to go tonight. i think it's crazy to be sitting around. >> john kerry commenting sarcastally on the pinpoint operations. the ones that have left over 550 palestinians killed. over 3,000 wounded. tens of thousands more displaced. families torn apart. homes in rubble. you see some of them. of course, he was a little less forthright on camera. >> secretary kerry, when you said it's a hell of a pinpoint operation, your upset the israelis are going too far? >> i think it's very, very difficult in these situations, obviously, very difficult, chris. you have people who come out of tunnels. you have a try to go in and take
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out those tunnels. we completely support that. and we support israel's right to defend itself against rockets that are continuing to come in. it's tough to have this kind of operation, and i reacted, obviously, in a way that anybody does with respect to, you know, young children and civilians. >> what does this moment reveal about american officials public versus private thoughts when it comes to israel? joining us to help pull back that curtain is eli lake, national security reporter for the daily beast and rula jabreel. what does this is a about the gap between private and public thinking for this administration? >> this story comes at a fortuitous time. the new republic has a really thorough piece that was just published on sunday night. that's the inside story of the peace process that kind of fell apart under kerry. and what it showed was the secretary of state often in this kind of position of trying to persuade netanyahu, trying to
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persuade abbas to sort of see the larger picture. and to move away from their original positions. in some case he had some success but ultimately it fell apart. kerry was frank in his discussions with netanyahu. at one point he said when i was in vietnam it helped me to understand the war from the perspective of the people i was fighting. and netanyahu said, this isn't vietnam, john kerry. this is israel. and israelis know what's best. so in some ways, i think that kerry's frustration and concern about those casualties is something that's been par for the course. he's been trying to negotiate a peace deal now for most of his secretaryship. >> 11 trips to the region. of course, he's not the first to face this exact kind of dilemma. rula, back in 2000, bob gates talked about this exact issue. he said, quote, every president
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i worked for at some point in his presidency would get so pissed off at the israelis that he couldn't speak. something would happen and they would just absolutely go screw themselves right into the ceiling they were so angry and they'd rant and rave around the oval office. i think it was their frustration about knowing that there was so little they could do about it because of domestic politics. rula if that's the case, why can't american leaders be more honest? >> because of apac and the money behind it and all of us in the media. we are biased when it comes to this issue. look how much air time netanyahu and his folks have on air on a daily basis. andrea mitchell and others. i never see one palestinian being interviewed on these same issues. >> we've had palestinians on our -- >> maybe 50 seconds and then a half hour for netanyahu and others. the ayman mohyeldin story.
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let's talk about this. we are home and we can discuss this. ayman mohyeldin is covering the palestinian side and we get upset. it's too pro-palestinian. we don't like it. we push him back and thanks for social media. let's talk about the -- >> point taken but doesn't it reveal equally our thinking that we now have ayman mohyeldin on air and i think there's been very fair and balanced coverage. >> thanks for the pushback from the public opinion. and i'm not saying that everybody is like this, but it's one-tenth is given to the palestinian voice and 99% of the israelis voice. that's why the public is pro-israeli which is the opposite in the rest of the world. >> eli, do you think american media is skewed in favor of israeli coverage? >> i mean, i'd say it's -- i am kind of baffled honestly by what rula was just saying there. israel has experienced terrible press when you have these pictures of dead gazans and you see these casualties.
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i think the media has been covering that for what it is. a terrible human tragedy. and the response from often israeli officials in u.s. and western media in general has often been very defensive. and, you know, the notion that apac is a very powerful lobby on capitol hill, i think that israel has a lot of support because there's a kind of cultural affinity between americans and israelis. and they see them as less foreign in a lot of ways than they do with palestinians. but that's a much deeper question. i don't think it can be explained by lobbyists or the political process. i would say that -- >> but it's the only point view of expressed. let's be honest. it's the only point of view that's been expressed. >> not the only point of view. you are expressing your point of view right now on television. >> you are here -- >> it is a huge megaphone on the other side of this, i see the forecasteration. rula, if it is the case there's this skewed coverage, at what point do you think israel loses that support? what's the red line? >> unfortunately, listen.
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look at every conflict. what is our strategy, israel's strategy and american strategy. to topple hamas? no, it's not to topple hamas but to keep the plij siege on hamas. and that economic and political siege, who is winning is hamas today. and will be winning because what will happen is what will happen in 2012 and 2006 until something horrific happens. in front of a camera that the world will stand up and say, okay, stop. and it will be when the music will end. but we'll be cyclical violence because the answer to this conflict is a political answer. >> one thing that can't be argued is that we've been here over and over and that's a devastating fact for all of us. >> because of the failure of politics. >> failure of politics, failure of media and a failure on the ground. it's a failure for the world. coming up, say you are a former central american dictator. say you are in prison and, say you find yourself the bad guy in a popular video game. you see it there. what would you do? probably not what this individual did.
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a jury in boston has reached a verdict in the trial of a friend of the boston bombing defend dzhokhar tsarnaev. the verdict? guilty. joining me with all the latest, nbc news justice correspondent pete williams. what more do we know right now? >> guilty for the 20-year-old friend of dzhokhar tsarnaev. they were friends at dartmouth. fbi officials say after the bombing, tazhayakov and two others went to his apartment and took a backpack back to their apartment and then threw it away. they also said the two, the three when they were arrested by the fbi and questioned were not
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so how did libya fall into such complete chaos. joining me is eli lake and back is msnbc contributor rul rula jebreal. they are fighting for the airport. there was an offensive in benghazi today again over a military base from some of these militias. how did we get here? it's a free-for-all at this point. >> we got there because we didn't have any strategy on the aftermath of the fall of gadhafi. we didn't have any strategy. that's why we're not intervening in syria. in the middle east there's falling states or about to fail. libya is one of them. syria is another one, iraq is another one. the problem when you don't have institutions, and you take out a regime that was in control, what will come after it is chaos and tribes. and tribes will start to assert their power and we don't have any way to control those. before we go to any countries we need to establish the strategy
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of the aftermath. what we do after in the next day. this is why we lost the iraqi war, the afghani war and if we intervene in syria, this is what will happen to us. >> aren't there valid reasons not to intervene when it's such a multifacetted conflict so, many different factions on the ground. would it be wise to wade in? >> if we were to start from day zero, i suppose in the abstract, yes. but listen. you have to remember moammar gadhafi was threatening to wipe out the city of benghazi. that was the -- that prompted the united states to intervene. and they used the justification of trying to prevent what would have been a genocide. and that was the argument at the time. i think the world and many in the arab world supportedhafi wa. after the regime change, the united states, let's face it, to use a word people don't like to, rula made a very good case for occupation. and there needs to be a period of occupation if you get rid of the old regime.
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especially when it's like the one gadhafi's was. >> it's gotten worse. they are fighting against each other today. it wasn't long ago they fought together to overthrow gadhafi. the question is how do we evolve with this conflict and what's the psychology of these grops and how do they turn against each other? we've got a pretty interesting look at that from our partners at vocativ. we're able to go inside this dangerous world and hear from some of these militia men themselves. take a look both of you. >> the situation is very unpredictable. after the regime fell, gadhafi basically just let all of the prisoners out and he supplied them with weapons and said go fight against people. go fight gaagainst the rebels. >> i actually do not feel safe at all. i myself have been in situations
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>> the situation is harsh and complicated. the media blames the militias for all these clashes. >> what about ansar al sharia. the state department says they are responsible for the benghazi attack. were they? >> as you said, an ambassador was killed but the media lies about ansar sharia. we fought against them. they want to give ansar schharia bad image. >> they have a policy of killing foreigners.
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>> we don't know what's going to happen tomorrow because you can never guarantee what could happen tomorrow. there could be another tyranny, a tyrannical dictatorship, a war, an invasion. so you always have to protect yourself. >> we're back with rula and eli. thanks to vocativ for taking a lot of risks to get that report. does libya meet the definition of a failed state? >> yes, i think it does. because the monopoly of violence of the government does not extend to its second largest city and apparently the airport of tripoli. at this point, yes. >> rula? >> yes, definitely. eli is right. it's a failing state and i would say syria is included in that.
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and shanisha faces felony charges which she only just avoided with a plea agreement friday. this has become an epidemic. and a lot of these stories of hot cars and children are uglier than shanisha's. 17 children have died in hot cars just this year as of july 15th. more than 670 children have died in hot cars in the last 20 years. joining me is benjamin taylor, the attorney for shanisha taylor. what are the details of this plea deal reached on friday? >> yes, mr. farrow, thank you for having me on. my firm, the prosecutor and the judge that we came together to avoid prosecuting ms. taylor. so now the case is completely dropped. ms. taylor has requirements that she has to meet. and she will meet those requirements, of course. she has to take 26 parenting classes. and set up a trust fund. she's been given a lot of donations throughout the whole world has given her donations.
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and she wants to thank everybody for the donations -- >> more than $100,000 in donations from a public that empathize with this story and thought she needed support. what was the reaction to that outcry? >> she loved it. we want to thank everybody who gave donations to her. and the trust fund is going to be set up for her kids and part of the plea agreement that we reached to have the case dismissed was to have a trust fund set up for her kids. so we're going to put money away for her kids so when they turn 18, they'll be well taken care of. >> and on the subject of the kids, they are still in state custody. is she working to get them back? >> yes, yes. we are working to get that back. and i am working with her, with state custody which is child protective services in arizona to get the kids back. and we hopefully will get the kids back in the near future with these kids being dismissed for the cruminal charges, the cps charges should work pretty
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well and we should have the kids back in the near future. >> as much as the public empathi empathizes, we all know this case could have ended very differently and very badly. we've seen this spate of children dying after being left in hot cars. does she regret her decision and does she have a message for other moms? >> of course. she's a loving mother, a veteran of the united states air force. she knows she made a mistake that day. but at the time she was in dire straits. she was going through a lot. and she knows she didn't make a wise decision. for other mothers out there, everybody knows you should never leave your kids in the car. but this circumstance is a lot different than these other circumstances that you have. these other cases you have out there, people are intentionally leaving the kids in the car, almost trying to hurt their kids. ms. taylor loves her kids. she had no ill will. that day she was going for a job interview with an insurance agency. and that insurance agency, she did well on the job interview and they probably would have hired her that day. she was thinking about her kids
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and that job would have given her a better life for her kids. >> i can tell you even in our own newsroom, we had a lot of moms saying we've left our car and then remembered halfway to the grocery store that our kid was still in it. it's something we all relate to much as no one should make that choice to leave their kid there. benjamin taylor, appreciate it. if you are as moved by this as we are, there's a way you can get involved. join the kids and cars white house petition. aimed at preventing hot car deaths. they want the department of transportation to provide funding and research to avoid children from dying in those cars. they need 100,000 for the white house to respond. let's help them get to that number. and tomorrow, we're going to look at another story that's captured the nation's attention on this issue. a bond hearing is expected in the case of that georgia dad who is charged with murder in his son's hot car death. we're stick with this for you. first today, you often hear about children working hard in
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it feels horrible because you feel like there's no air. you look down. you look beside, and then you only halfway down and you feel like it's time for us to get out. because you feel like you're going to die in there. >> a 15-year-old girl tobacco farmer speaking to human rights watch. your number one choice for this week's underreported story, the conditions that those child laborers face. and it's not just hard hours, intense heat. they're also getting poisoned by the tobacco. that is just the tip of the iceberg. joining me now is the co-author of a recent report on this subject for human rights watch that moved so many of you in the audience. margaret, the thing that surprised me most about this issue is this is actually legal
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in a lot of cases. in fact, there are fewer restrictions on this, this issue of minors working in the fields, than there are on minors working in restaurants, at retail. why is that? >> the children i interviewed are too young to go into a store and buy a pack of cigarettes, but antiquated labor laws that date back to a different era in u.s. agriculture allow 12-year-olds and sometimes younger kids to legally work on tobacco farms in this country. >> and this is mostly in kentuc kentucky, in tennessee, in virginia. those states comprise 90% of the tobacco growth in this country. what kinds of conditions are these kids facing? >> kids are getting sick. kids are getting hurt working on tobacco farms here in the united states. nearly three-quarters of the children we interviewed reported nausea, vomiting, headaches, skin rashes, burning eyes, a whole range of symptoms from worki ining in tobacco fields. half of them reported seeing tractors come through spraying pesticides. they're being poisoned.
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>> yet it's our leadership who don't want this to change. there was a striking "daily show" report on this. let's take a listen. >> what would you say to people who say, this work is too dangerous for 12-year-olds? >> children need to experience things. when i was a 7-year-old, i was wanting to work. i was wanting to do what the men were doing. >> what's your reaction to that? >> well, the real responsibility here is with tobacco companies. companies are purchasing tobacco grown in the united states. they have responsibilities to set clear expectations for what happens on farms in their supply chain. that means no kids under 18 doing hazardous child labor. to be honest, we're disappointed in the tobacco industry. they've known about our findings now for almost eight months and we haven't seen any meaningful action. >> we have a statement from philip morris. it says. mi has developed a program to progressively eliminate child
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labor. should they be doing more? >> philip morris international has the most comprehensive child labor policy of any of the companies we approached for our report. none of the companies have policies that would sufficiently -- >> which has the worst? >> it's a good question. many of them don't even have policies at all. they just require growers to comply with u.s. law. so there's a lot of room for improvement from all of the companies. >> all right. well, thank you for that report. it's an eye opener. we'll stay with this story. appreciate it. and we want to know what you think is the next underreported story we should stay with for you. send us your thoughts on twitter, facebook. use #rfdunder. later we'll ask you to vote on which stories you like best. earlier today, remember, we asked you to weigh in on our hash tag battle, should russia host the world cup in 2018 given all that it has done right now to violate human rights and to take down that plane over the ukraine border? hundreds of you responded. overwhelmingly with the answer no. one viewer tweeting that the netherlands should host it in light of the crash of mh-17.
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keep your responses coming either at #russiaworldcup or #norussiaworldcup. that wraps things up for today's edition. thank you for joining me. now it's time for "the reid report" with my colleague joy reid. joy, what do you have coming up? >> coming up we have got a lot going on. i want to commend you on that poll. put me down for netherlands world cup. coming up next on "the reid report," we're watching two major stories continuing unfold as president obama speaks out on the violence in gaza and the push to hold russia accountable for the downing of malaysia airlines flight 17. and all-star nba player chris paul will join me live to talk about the league's new commitment to the president's my brother's keeper initiative. "the reid report" is next. there's a gap out there. that's keeping you from the healthcare you deserve. at humana, we believe if healthcare changes, if frustration and paperwork decrease...
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good afternoon. this is "the reid report." i'm joy reid. president obama went to the microphone today and addressed the two big stories riveting the world right now, gaza and ukraine. >> it now has to be our focus and the focus of the international community to bring about a cease-fire that ends the fighting. we don't want to see anymore civilians getting killed. now is a time for president putin and russia to pivot away from this strategy they've been
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taking. time is of the essence. families deserve to be able to lay their loved ones to rest with dignity. >> all of this as the world reacts with revulsion at the treatment of the bodies of mh-17 body victims. and secretary of state john kerry heads to egypt to try to broker a peace deal before it's too late. and we start with the white house. efforts to somehow stem the violence in gaza where israeli retaliation from missile attacks has left 25 israeli soldiers and more than 550 palestinians dead. the latter mostly civilians. secretary of state john kerry is headed to egypt where he will meet with his egyptian counterparts who have been trying to broker an end to the violence now in its 14th day. but the violence only got more ferocious over the weekend. this morning, president obama kicked off his unscheduled foreign poli
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