secretary nominee that is robert mcdonald the former head of procter & gamble was nominated last month. this scandal. that's it but "morning joe" starts right now. ♪ this crisis over the downing of the malaysia airlines flight, what did secretary kerry not say? what is the administration not yet prepared to do that you think must be done? >> one, he didn't call putin the thug that he is. >> hear, hear! this horrible tragedy could have been avoided if barack obama would have just called putin a thug. so once again, ladies and gentlemen, falls me to prevent further international crises, vladimir putin, you are a jerk, sir. you, you, i'm sorry, i've got to say it. you -- you are a stupid poopy

face. jimmy, what's the reaction in the ukraine? and yes, the russians are pulling out of donetsk. you're welcome, world. i had to. i had to. >> good morning. it's tuesday, july 22nd. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set, we have "morning joe" contributor mark halperin, contributor mike barnicle and in washington, associate editor of "the washington post" and political analyst eugene robinson. and white house correspondent for the associated press, julie pace. willie, how are you? good to have you with us. >> good to see you. >> so we'll be starting, of course, with ukraine and all the questions that are truly emerging out of this. you'll be hearing from this father who is on the front page of the "new york post" and a lot of other papers as well who i think crystallizes the evil that has been done upon so many families. pro-russian rebels in ukraine appear to finally be cooperating

with the investigation into the downing of malaysia airlines flight 17. the separatists or kremlin surrogates have handed over the jet's black boxes after days of pressure from victims' families and world leaders as well. a train filled with bodies of the crash victims arrived moments ago before it will reach amsterdam ultimately. and malaysia's prime minister says the rebels have given them full access to the crash site. the move comes hours after obama criticized the rebels and russian president vladimir putin. >> these separatists are removing evidence from the crash site, all of which begs the question what exactly are they trying to hide? russia has urged them on. russia has trained them. we know that russia has armed them with military equipment and weapons. russia and president putin, in particular, has direct responsibility to compel them to cooperate with the investigation.

that is the least that they can do. >> russia has released its first account of what it believed caused the plane to be shot down. officials at the kremlin say ukrainian missile systems or ukrainian fighter plane likely brought down the jet. u.s. intelligence officials, however, say there is no evidence to support these assertions. putin released his own video statement, promising to help end the violence, but he then pointed the finger again at ukraine's government. he said he is confident the tragedy wouldn't have occurred if ukraine did not resume combat activities last month. meanwhile, the dutch foreign minister sharply criticized the delay in the investigation, calling it a, quote, despicable political game being played with human remains. so mark halperin, we're hearing that from the dutch foreign minister, okay, and we've heard from david cameron pretty strong assertions, and now president obama is putting the responsibility squarely on putin, which i think is in good

time after kind of giving this investigation a few days. but it seems like europe and everybody is being so careful with what is obvious. what are the ramifications of condemning russia strongly? >> look, the human tragedy needs to be addressed, but remember putin was not confronted really effectively for going into crimea. and he's got a huge approval rating. accounts that suggest that putin feels pressure, putin's backing down, i just don't see it. someone must stand up to him. someone must lead the world to get europe to understand that they're going to have to suffer economically and stand up to him. someone must do that. >> there are, you know, all sorts of calls for the president to call putin a thug or to man up or whatever else as we heard in the joke sound bite bumping in. but isn't this about a line that has been crossed? it's not about draw nearly mass

murder in the sky, about the europeans consistently failing to do nothing really when it comes to vladimir putin's thuggery and aggression. and i would not be surprised if a lot of this came down to power in the united nations. very strongly already, much more strongly than has the president and the united states, and the harken back to 1962 and adlai stevenson and the cuban missile crisis and the united states government has all the intelligence on hand to show exactly the heat seeking, the arc of the missile, where it was fired from, when it was fired, the time elapsed between when it was fired, when it struck the airplane. we have all of that. and that's going to be presented at some point, it has to be presented to the world most likely i would think now in the united nations. >> gene, the case has been built already just over the last four or five days since this terrible, terrible tragedy

happened. we've seen some evidence, it's not just the united states, it's the u.n., it's others saying it is russian separatists with weapons provided by russia. so what's the in hnext step her? new sanctions on some of the oligarchs over there. >> like mike, i'd like to see the evidence presented in the right forum and all the evidence, and if it's as definitive as we're told it is, then that should have an impact, and i think the united nations would be a great place to do that and samantha power would be the right person, you know, the right messenger. now, beyond that, the problem really isn't that -- isn't anything but europe. europe is still reluctant, i fear, to really go toward tough,

tough sanctions on putin because of the economic relationship. the european economies are still fragile, and they worry about a natural gas shock that putin could certainly create. plus, europe just wants to have good relations with russia or nonthreatening relations with russia. so that's a hurdle i'm not sure has been fully crossed yet. >> this is what we talked about at the top here, the father of a 17-year-old girl killed on the plane and is now speaking out. borst turned to facebook to remember his daughter and to share his grief. >> thank you very much, mr. putin, leaders of the separatists, or the ukraine government for murdering my loved and only child. she has been shot out of the sky. regards, elseniek's father whose life is ruined now. >> julie pace, first of all, how would you characterize the

president's statement yesterday and also, what is the time line in terms of working with other world leaders and, you know, to use a statement that's been used on this show very carefully, tragedy is opportunity to take the opportunity to act in the face of the evil and the pain that these families are facing? >> well, i would characterize the president's statements as getting stronger since this happened last week. you've seen him ratchet up the rhetoric against russia, in particular. in terms of what's going to happen next, you know, we're told by officials that there are no imminent u.s. sanctions over the next couple of days. the focus is really on europe at this point. there's a meeting under way in brussels today. the europeans are going to be talking about additional penalties. you are seeing britain, in particular, being incredibly tough in calling for sweeping sanctions. the germans are increasingly focused on sweeping sanctions.

but you still have a lot of divisions within the european coalition. the french are selling warships to russia, and they plan to continue going forward with that. and what i think is particularly interesting is you're starting to hear from some europeans that they actually feel like if they go forward with sanctions, it could hamper the investigation that russia could retaliate in some way and prevent access to the site. so i think even as horrible as this tragedy has been, you are going to still see a lot of reluctance over the next couple of days from the europeans. >> all right, we'll get back to this. moving on to the middle east, the death toll there is climbing once again this morning. now 584 palestinians are dead. 27 israelis by the latest official counts. some 100,000 palestinians are reportedly seeking refuge with the u.n. and israeli media reports a soldier is missing again in gaza. secretary of state john kerry is in cairo trying to broker a cease-fire. and in a one-on-one interview with brian williams, israeli

prime minister benjamin netanyahu says hamas is in large part to blame for the growing number of civilian casualties, adding the u.s. would defend itself at all costs if put in the same position. so another foreign -- >> you say what choice have you got? what would you do? what would you do if american cities -- where you're sitting now, brian, would absorb hundreds of rockets? you know what you'd say? you'd say to your leader, a man's got to do what a man's got to do and you'd say a country's got to do what a country's got to do. we have to defend ourselves. >> let's go to gaza and nbc's foreign correspondent ayman m l mohyeldin. >> reporter: as they usual do in the morning hours, palestinian medical workers tend to go out and survey some of the attacks

from overnight. they tend to try and recover the bodies that may be in buildings. there is one particular story today that's certainly grabbing a lot of headlines here in gaza. this was a residential building struck late last night. it seemed that the israeli airstrike was targeting an apartment in that building. and as rescue workers and paramedics arrived to evacuate some of them, a big part of that high-rise building collapsed, trapping workers, trapping other people there. that was also caught on tape by some of the journalists. so far as a result of that building collapse, at least 11 people have been killed. paramedics and workers are still trying to assess the damage of the building. this is a multistory building, a high-rise building here in central gaza. so it is going to be one of those situations that a lot of people are watching very closely. it's a dangerous situation because officials are afraid that the building may entirely collapse. in terms of the ongoing fighting, still a lot of fighting, intense fighting taking place in the eastern part of gaza where the ground invasion took place that has now been running into its fifth day since it began. guys?

>> ayman, there have been consistent and very credible reports of the civilian population being used as shields by hamas during the fighting on the ground specifically. the population being used as human shields. these are people who just want to live their lives. what can you tell us? what's your sense of the feeling among the population of gaza, gaza city, about this ongoing issue? >> reporter: well, that's also the specific allegation that we put towards hamas leaders and asked them to address in terms of what has emerged, at least the allegations made by israel. the official response that has come out from hamas's leaders in a statement exclusive to nbc news was they categorically denied any accusations. the international community is watching. they have the right to go and freely ask palestinians if they feel they're being used as human shields. they have repeated denied that in any way, shape or form that the military and hamas has

placed its fighters in the vicinity of civilian institutions. now, obviously, the united nations last week documented a case where one u.n. school actually had in its vicinity rockets that were used in the fight against israel. but when you go out into the streets as we have been and talk to ordinary palestinians, their anger is not directed towards hamas. they do not blame hamas for what is happening here on the ground. they do not believe they are being used as human shields. the question that is ultimately at play among the ordinary palestinians we've been speaking to is the amount of force that is being used by israel. we've heard the israeli argument that they're using precision strikes and surgical strikes, but the reality is, we are seeing whole neighborhoods destroyed. we are seeing entire buildings collapsed, and we've seen at least 18 medical facilities that have been affected and damaged as a result of this. from the perspective of the palestinian people, the only thing that is affecting their daily lives is what they say is the israeli attack on gaza at this point. it is not hamas who in their eyes, again, in their eyes say they are simply fighting and

resisting israel's aggressions on the gaza strip. >> ayman, thank you very much. we've got politics and some other news to cover as well. a new political poll could indicate a problem for hillary clinton if she runs for president in 2016. a majority of americans say she did not do a good job as secretary of state. 32% say her performance was poor. and another 21% say she only did a fair job. 14% believes clinton did an excellent job while 28% rate her service as good. perhaps more troubling for the first lady, 60% of independent voters say her four years leading the state department were poor or fair. one-third of independents say she did a good or excellent job. it's a major change from a year and a half ago when the then-secretary of state had a 70% approval rating. meanwhile, a new study by bloomberg shows clinton earned at least $12 million since she stepped down in february of last year. that figure includes the advance from her new memoir along with

speaking fees which are said to command $200,000 per appearance. i'm curious about these numbers. but all the fees go to the clinton foundation? some of them? >> they're not totally transparent, but a lot of them do. but some critics say they control the foundation. she's lost control of her public image. it's the worst thing that can happen to somebody thinking of running for president. and it's at a time when she should be in command. she had a book tour. she can control the message. her operation is playing defense on a lot of stories. and again, she can recover from it, but right now she's lost control of how people are thinking about her, how the media is covering her. >> can i ask mark a monday morning quarterback question? >> yeah, i have one, too. >> would it have been better in hindsight if hillary had not written this book? because look where she was when she was out of the fray. no one was talking about her in terms of politics. just in terms of how she had done as secretary of state. >> she'd have less money. >> that's true. >> i think so. i think on balance it's pretty clear that the timing of the

book and the way the book went for her political aspirations wasn't a good thing. but she has a lot of positive attributes that are currently just being overwhelmed by all this negative coverage. and it's going to keep going. the momentum -- there's -- the press loves to cover her hard. the momentum is all against her right now. >> why is that, mark? >> about the press? >> yeah. >> the clintons have tried to figure that out for several decades. i don't know. they're held to a different standard. look, you could go scrutinize the personal wealth of a lot of other people thinking of running for president, it's just not happening right now. >> we did with mitt romney. i felt rather conflicted because i've had some reactions. we react on the show very transparentally to the news as it comes past us, and mine hasn't been positive completely about her speaking fees. eugene and julie, eugene first, i'm just wondering, because in retrospect, there was one thing i thought about that actually made me feel really good about the amount of her speaking fees

that she was raking in. i'm just wondering if she could have deflected positively, eugene, and said something like, well, aren't you -- aren't you happy for me as a woman? aren't you glad that a woman can command such unbelievable speaking fees? and what men can do that, by the way? we are in a new era. and i'm at the front of that line. what would be wrong with talking about the role of women in society, equal pay, and also women doing as well as men and sometimes outrageously well? >> well, you know, i think that certainly would have been a better line than the one she's taken, which is just to kind of be buffeted around by it and pretend that she's not making all that money, which she is. you know, it is kind of ironic. the scrutiny of the clintons' personal finances, you know, they really -- i mean, she was born to not great wealth, but she was comfortable growing up, but not, you know, fantastically wealthy or anything.

but the clintons have worked very hard and have made a lot of money, and that's supposed to be something that people respected and admired. it's the american way. yet they're the clintons. you know, if you look up the phrase "lightning rod" in the dictionary, i suspect you see pictures of bill and hillary clinton. >> julie, i don't want to put you on the spot -- >> go ahead. >> uh-oh. >> go ahead, barnicle. >> you're a reporter. and i don't want to really put you on the spot, but it struck me, the story leading into this segment about the poll released, americans asked about what kind of a job hillary clinton did as secretary of state. 32% said they think she did a terrible job. this poll, in a country where i bet 90% of the people don't know who the secretary of state is now, i mean, seems to me sort of an absurd poll.

but i'm wondering if you have any sense of why or how everything about hillary clinton in terms of media coverage. that's us. that's you and me. it's mark. it's willie, it's mika, seems to have like a negative note contained in it. >> twist. >> i would say one thing first. when she was secretary of state, she actually did get quite favorable coverage, and her team has talked about this, how they enjoyed working with the state department press corps. they felt like they were a serious group of reporters. they focused on policy. she is shifting from diplomatic press to political press. and those are different stories. they're different reporters, and they're just different story lines. and i think that in terms of the coverage of her wealth in particular, we have to remember that a lot of this goes back to the way that she responded to the questions. we all knew that the clintons had had a lot of money, that they were raking in big speaking fees, but it was the way that she approached the topic, the

way that she tried to explain it to people that started to draw a lot of the criticism. also, this is politics. this is how politicians are covered. at this point on the democratic side, she is the clear front-runner. on the republican side, it's a wider field. as that field starts to narrow, i think you're going to see similar intense coverage of those candidates. >> well handled, julie. still ahead on "morning joe," a full lineup of foreign policy experts. former secretary of state madeline albright will weigh in on the crises abroad for the first time here. and dad will join us. and senator chris murphy will explain why it's time to turn up the pressure on vladimir putin. and later, the new film "boyhood" is getting rave reviews from critics and fan as like. we'll talk to two of the film's stars in our 8:00 hour. plus our exclusive interview with nancy pelosi including what motivated her to live a life of public service. >> when you were growing up on these streets, you know, with

the neighbors and your dad being such a force here, how did that, i guess, encourage you to want to go into public service? >> not at all. >> up next, a new study finds the push for healthier school lunches may be winning over some of its harshest critics, the kids. we'll explain next in our "morning papers." but first, speaking of kids, here's bill karins with a check on the forecast. bill. >> big kids that never want to grow up. good morning, mika. 250,000 acres, that's how large the carlton complex fire is in central washington state. they're calling it the biggest fire in the state's history. it is in a very rural area. that's why we have only seen 150 homes burned with about 1,000 people evacuated. but it's going to be a long time before they get this fire under control. and as far as the stats go on it, about 82 degrees today. light rain is in the forecast. maybe about a quarter to a half an inch of rain. so they desperately need that.

there's 1500 firefighters on the ground fighting that blaze as we speak. so today a little bit of light rain there. also, the tropics, a little tropical depression formed yesterday. but thankfully, we're not worried about it. if we had a storm about a month from now in this portion of the atlantic, i'd be very worried. but right now this is supposed to dissipate by the time it gets near barbados or st. lucia, so we're not too concerned with it. of course, if anything forms, we'll keep an eye on it. as far as the forecast goes, the hot weather has concerned almost from coast to coast. mid-90s to 99 degrees today, kansas city. chicago, 93. and even in the east, you're warming it up as some of the heat expands. it's supposed to, right? this is typically the hottest week of the summer across the country. we leave you with a shot of washington, d.c. it hasn't been the hottest of all summers, but we've got heat heading your way over the next couple of days. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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♪ it's time now to take a look at the "morning papers." "the new york times," president obama awarded the nation's highest military honor to ryan m. pitts yesterday for his actions during one of the deadliest battles of the afghan war. in july of 2008, more than 200 insurgents tried to overrun the small outpost where pitts was stationed. following the deaths of nine other soldiers, a critically wounded pitts managed to hold the post all by himself. family members of the soldiers killed that day joined pitts at the white house yesterday where each received a standing ovation. >> did you see his statement afterward? he said my name's not important. the names of the nine guys, thank you and walked away. "wall street journal," most united states elementary students like their new healthy school lunches. >> oh, good. >> according to a new survey of

administrators of more than 500 primary schools nationwide. the new meal options which offer more whole grains, fruits and vegetables are as a result of implementations in 2012. researchers say while many kids complained at first, most generally liked the meals by the end of the school year. >> well, that's because your tastebuds take a few weeks to kind of -- >> deaden. >> yes, exactly. oh, stop. >> you get hungry. you have to eat something. "the sacramento bee," jerry brown signed a bill limiting full-contact football practice for california teenagers. the legislation limits middle and high school teens from holding full-contact practices during the off-season. the practices are also now limited to no more than twice a week during the regular season. 19 other states are said to have already banned off-season full-contact practices. the news comes amid increasing concern about football-related head injuries. that makes sense, mike, doesn't it? >> that's a good deal, yeah. especially, you know, preseason

football. you've got kids going out for the first time. most of them don't know how to tackle. >> exactly. >> they have to be taught how to tackle. >> well, and you see what happens in professional football. i'm not sure i'd ever want -- you know -- my kid to be out there doing that. >> that has hurt football. that has hurt football among younger kids, parents your age. how about lacrosse? >> i have friends who grew up playing football, played in college and said my kids are playing soccer. football families. >> exactly. let's go to "forbes," for the second year in a row, "forbes" has named robert downey jr. the highest earning actor in hollywood. the publication estimates the eye ir "iron man" earned the same amount he was reported to have earned last year. runner-up, dwayne johnson, the rock. $52 million rounding out the top three. >> number three. >> our man, "silver linings playbook," "american hustle," "the hangover," bradley cooper earned about $46 million for his

work. >> and yet never picks up the check. >> oh, yes, he does. yes, he does. >> third place. tell them to lose the number. >> come on, braddy. "variety," the longest running scripted tv, if you want to binge watch "the simpsons," which what would happen to the brain if one did that? fxx is announcing it will show all 25 seasons plus the movie in chronological order beginning at 10:00 a.m. on august 21st. all right, hold on a second. alex, you might want to put that on the schedule. joe will be probably off for those 12 days. the episodes will run 24/7, and the marathon will last 12 days. definitely, he and jack will sit there and watch it. last november the network paid a whopping $750 million for exclusive syndication rights to the series. the purchase is considered the largest off-network syndication deal in television history. wow!

okay. >> a lot of "simpsons," 12 straight days. with us now, chief white house correspondent for politico, mr. mike allen with a look at the "playbook." good morning. >> good morning, mr. willie geist. >> good to see you. white house press secretary josh ernest called out "the washington post" for what he called anonymous sourcing in a recent article. let's listen to what he said. >> well, alexis, i'd first point out that you're asking about a story that's based entirely on anonymous source, so that should be reflected in the record. >> we have anonymous sources from you every day. i think we have a call today. i mean, how can you criticize that when that's what you basically give us every day except for the briefing? >> except for the briefing, except for the fact that i've been standing here for an hour answering all of your questions which is an important practice, right? and this is a symbol that we're committed to. the president is traveling tomorrow. i'm going to do a briefing tomorrow. we are committed to this process. and that's why we do this briefing on the record. >> anonymous sources.

i'm just saying. >> this was a story that basically said in "the washington post" that the white house had been warned about the coming immigration crisis and it, in fact, had ignored it to some extent. so mike, some including dylan byers calling the stance hypocritical. "the washington post" wrote a piece pushing back as well. >> josh earnest not only criticized "the washington post" which made this immigration story the lead story of the sunday paper, and they quoted someone on the record, also in the headline, saying that the administration had initially seen this as a local problem. so that stings, no question. josh earnest criticized the anonymous sources in the story, and he jabbed "the washington post" several times for not being at the briefing. he referred several times to the empty chair, saying "the post" wasn't there to defend itself. the reference you heard in that clip to the call today, at the time that josh earnest, who on twitter is @presssec was

briefing peter baker of "the new york times," tweeted that at the very moment he was criticizing the use of anonymous sources by the press, the white house had just e-mailed a notification of a background, anonymous white house briefing for reporters. >> mark, this isn't unusual. i mean, anonymous sources are used all the time. you'd like to not use them if you could, but frequently you need them to get to a story. there were many people on the record in this "washington post" piece. >> including a report. i think this administration like its predecessors has just gone to reflectively make too many things on background. in the end i actually think it's a little bit overrated as a thing. the person's name doesn't matter to me all that much. it would be better if it was on the record, but i think if the -- it's a silly debate, and i think josh earnest did get a little bit caught in criticizing anonymous sources because he knows full well that that's the

full operation of the administration is often engineered by anonymous sources. >> it's a two-way street. politico also has a piece up this morning, it says female mega donors are turning out to be harder to court than men. explain that one. >> yeah, so this is fascinating. politico's anna palmer and trini partee figured that women, the top 20 women donors gave six times less than the top men donors. and they asked around, they did dozens of interviews to both big-women givers like heather podesta and to campaigns that have successfully fund-raised for women, and they found that women want a closer relationship with the candidate, want to know where their money is going. it's fine to fund-raise to women on an issue like abortion or other women's rights, but they also want to hear about the economy and health care. and women want to go to regular politico events, too, not

women's teas or women's events. so those are some of the ways that a smart campaign can do better. >> they want to know more and they actually want to know how their money is being used. >> are you picking up their paper? women, colon, smarter than men. >> they don't give less. they just want to know more. what is that? i don't understand. >> they don't write checks without asking questions. >> oh, blindly. i see. thank you, mike. >> mike, thanks so much. >> thanks, willie. >> we'll see you. coming up, shock and outrage on the streets of new york city. and now the nypd has a lot of questions to answer after the death of a man suspected of selling illegal cigarettes. >> cigarettes. >> we'll talk about this story when we come back.

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there is outrage in new york city after a police arrest went terribly wrong, and a man is dead. and just last night, four ems workers were suspended without pay. here's nbc's ron mott. >> i did nothing. we were sitting here the whole time. >> reporter: amateur video shows new york city police officers confronting 43-year-old eric garner. >> i'm tired of it. >> reporter: suspected of

illegally selling cigarettes. >> i did not sell nothing! do not touch me! [ bleep ] >> reporter: an officer appears to apply a chokehold, a maneuver prohibited by the department. >> i can't breathe! i can't breathe! i can't breathe! >> reporter: garner was later pronounced dead. the official cause is pending. >> i can't breathe! i can't breathe! >> reporter: the video sparked protests. his widow overcome by emotion during one of the rallies. the growing outrage extends to four emergency workers who also responded to the scene. witnesses say no effort was made to resuscitate garner while he lie on the sidewalk here and bystanders took note of that as well on video. >> he was a gentle giant. >> reporter: allen knew garner captured a medical responder checking garner's pulse. the video does not show garner being given cpr, oxygen or other treatment before being lifted onto a stretcher. >> i had to film it and stand up and show that this is wrong. nobody should treated like this. nobody. >> the guy had six kids.

that was nbc's ron mott reporting. one nypd member had his gun and badge removed and another placed on desk duty. in a statement to nbc news yesterday, the police union said, quote, not wanting to be arrested does not grant an individual the right to resist arrest. garner will be laid to rest tomorrow. >> gene, there's very little that we can do in this life of ours at this point in time that is not recorded. it is amazing. this recording is going to -- has obviously generated a great deal of unrest in new york city. no matter your race, no matter where you're from. one of the things that pops out at a viewer is the lack of response from the emts. we know what happens with the police, but the complete lack of response from the emts to a man who clearly isn't breathing at that point. >> i was going to say that was almost more outrageous than what the police did, but you can't

really say that because the chokehold itself was way, way beyond, it seems to me, anything that was necessary. and you can back up all the way to the beginning. they were going to, like, arrest the guy forsse selling a couple cigarettes rather than write a citation or tell him to move along or whatever. you know, he was addressing them as "officer." it's not as if he was -- he wanted to know what was up. why are you doing this? because he was a huge guy, i surmise, they came with this massive force and totally unnecessary. this whole incident just kind of makes you sick when you watch it. >> you see his arms go up. he's got his -- i mean, he's not -- i don't see someone who's an aggressor. that's just me. i just want to know if anyone at the table here thinks that anything would have happened had there not been video. >> probably not. >> less likely. big test for the new mayor and

the police commissioner to handle this correctly. >> i don't know. we'll keep our eye on this. it's really -- >> yeah, we're not going to be help keep our eye off of it. there's going to be tremendous outrage already. there already have been multiple protests about it. >> as there should be. >> i agree. that's my instinct. >> the broken windows theory of policing gone awry here. >> awry. >> really gone awry. still ahead, we're going to talk with nancy pelosi about life, politics and her family's role in bringing baseball back to baltimore. >> i was just reading how they were instrumental in bringing the baltimore orioles here in the 1950s. >> yeah. >> and now the orioles are the a.l. east leaders. are you still an orioles fan? >> i sure am. >> that's coming up also. up next, mark mckinnon joins us for the must-read opinion pages. real be right back with much more "morning joe."

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nowhere more so than by its largest business partners in the european union. secretary of state john kerry called the malaysia airlines disaster a moment of truth for russia. but it's more accurate to say this of the west. mr. putin thinks he can escape consequences because western leaders won't ask their constituents to make even small sacrifices to stop aggression. yet if russia's aggression in ukraine is left unchecked, sooner or later, it will spread and haven't, mark, we already seen that? >> yeah, i think this rips back the curtain. >> yeah. >> and really puts a focus on how much the western countries have been enabling russia. there's no longer an excuse. so i think there's going to be a real focus on sanctions not just from the u.s. but from the european community. >> mark halperin, there's always been kind of an effort by this administration to bring the world along with any efforts that they would take and foreign policy engagements. what are we going to work collectively with europe, or are we going to lead, and is that a

question one is asking right now in terms of dealing with putin on an honest basis? what i saw yesterday was the president going there for the first time since this happened. >> i just don't see why we needed this tragic event to know putin is a liar and a thug and that these countries no y ies n sacrifice on the economy to stop his aggression and ukraine and elsewhere in europe. i don't understand that. he's going to lie about it, and he'll lie about it even if there's evidence presented, he'll say these were people that -- >> he is lying about it. he's calling ukraine the aggressor here. >> and he'll continue to lie about it. they don't want to sacrifice. morally they don't have an excuse, but someone needs to lead europe. >> i agree. >> you just don't see it. the president was stronger yesterday, but where is merkel? >> where are they? >> and even the dutch. i understand they're dealing with a huge human tragedy, but if they don't become leaders -- and there's no sign that they are -- who thinks that somehow we now know something new about putin? >> and willie, one of the

arguments from the white house was we don't want to change the president's schedule. we don't want to alarm people. well, i'm not worried about being alarmed. i am alarmed by what has happened. i'm sure everyone else is, too. what about getting together with world leaders, an emergency meeting, and alarming pu ining the first time, maybe, once? >> i think everyone around this table this morning have said that putin and russia have to be confronted in some way. the question is what does that mean? how will russia be confronted? if you look at it from putin's perspective, he sort of dipped his toe in the water by waltzing into crimea, annexing it, and there were no real repercussions for that. from his way of seeing things, they're not going to push back this time either. >> yeah, and everything that the west has done so far, these sanctions on individuals and businesses, taking largely symbolic steps like kicking putin out of the g-8 clearly haven't made much of a difference. >> nothing. a joke. >> every time the west has taken one of these steps, he takes a more aggressive action. i do think we need to be

realistic about the u.s. ability to shape this situation in terms of economic sanctions. you know, obama could go so far as to unilaterally cut off russian economic sectors from the u.s. it might not even make that big of a difference. it might only put u.s. companies at a disadvantage if europe, which has a much stronger economic relationship with russia, doesn't follow along. >> what are the constraints inside the white house that we're missing here that would keep a president from forcing a confrontation? >> well, i think that they're trying to maintain a notion that there's business as usual, but this isn't business as usual. >> it's not. >> and that's the point. there has to be some sort of dramatic gesture to reflect the magnitude of the situation. >> would president bush be handling this differently, do you think? >> i think absolutely. >> what would he do? >> i think he'd be over there. i think he'd be calling world leaders together. he'd be on the phone. he'd drop the hammer and say let's go. >> before you go, super pac to end all super pacs? >> a brilliant law professor at harvard and the foremost

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♪ israel is using its heavy weapons. artillery and airstrikes pounding the densely populated gaza strip. >> entire neighborhoods in gaza city are now battlegrounds. in one air raid in the south of the strip overnight, palestinian officials say 28 members of the same family were killed. >> we have to defend ourselves. a man's got to do what a man's got to do, and a country's got to do what a country's got to do. >> nothing prepares you for the scene inside this train. the gut-wrenching smell first and then the sight of the body bags. >> the professionals showed up today. a three-man forensics team, still surrounded by armed and masked rebels. >> these separatists are removing evidence from the crash site. what exactly are they trying to

hide? >> tonight those black boxes have finally been handed over by the pro-russian rebels. >> and now most of the victims of malaysia air flight 17 finally began the journey home. >> no one has the right, he said, to use this tragedy to achieve their own selfish political goals. >> this is the political game that has been played with human remains, and it is despicable. >> but if he does not change his approach, then europe and the west must fundamentally change our approach to russia. >> strongest statement so far from the dutch foreign minister. welcome back to "morning joe." mark halperin and mike barnicle still with us. joining the conversation from washington, former secretary of state madeleine albright and former national security adviser for president carter, dr. zbigniew brzezinski. dad, thank you for joining us. secretary albright, good to have you as well. i'm going to set the scene. pro-russian rebels in ukraine appear to finally be cooperating with the investigation into the downing of malaysia airlines flight 17.

the separatists or kremlin surrogates have handed over the jet's black boxes after days of pressure from victims' families and world leaders. a train filled with the bodies of crash victims arrived moments ago. before it will reach amsterdam. and malaysia's prime minister says the rebels have promised to give investigators full access to the crash site, which is now corrupted. the move came just hours after president obama criticized the rebels and russian president vladimir putin. >> these separatists are removing evidence from the crash site, all of which begs the question, what exactly are they trying to hide? russia has urged them on. russia has trained them. we know that russia has armed them with military equipment and weapons. russia and president putin, in particular, has direct responsibility to compel them to cooperate with the investigation. that is the least that they can do. >> pointed strong statements by president obama. russia has released its first

account of what it believes caused the plane to be shot down. officials at the kremlin say ukrainian missile systems or ukrainian fighter plane likely brought down the jet. u.s. intelligence officials, however, say there is no evidence to support these assertions. in other words, they're not telling the truth. putin released his own video statement, promising to end the violence, but he then pointed the finger again at ukraine's government. he said he's confident the tragedy wouldn't have occurred if ukraine did not resume combat activities last month. meanwhile, as you may have heard in our open sequence, the dutch foreign minister sharply criticized the delay in the investigation, calling it a, quote, despicable political game being played with human remains. let's go to our new guests right now. what are the constraints, i guess, dad, i'll start with you and secretary albright, please follow up. what are the constraints at this point to strong visible action,

a change of schedule on the part of this president and other world leaders, perhaps an emergency meeting between world leaders or a phone call, conference call, a national address, sanctions, and international condemnation of vladimir putin? what would be holding at this point world leaders back from taking strong action? >> basically the lack of political unity in europe. some countries are more prepared to act than others. carl bilt, the foreign minister of sweden, has made an outstanding statement. prime minister cameron is now on the record in favor of meaningful sanctions. i think chancellor merkel is moving that way. i suspect president hollande will soon line up. the italians are a problem. but i think the european countries of some states, the big ones, the dedicated ones, should be willing to move on their own because we can create a movement that develops unity. if everybody waits for the last

person to line up, we may, in fact, contribute to desplintering of europe. >> secretary albright. >> well, i fully agree, and i think it's very, very important for the europeans to move. it is stunning to me how slow they have been in all of this. ultimately, they will have to become unified. what was interesting, mika, was that at the beginning, the action of putin had unified europe and then, in fact, it redivided. and i do think that there has to be concerted effort, and i'm very impressed with the kind of statements that mr. cameron has been making and carl bilt. and i think that we have to push. believe me, i don't think there's any lack of telephone calls from washington to everybody. washington is really involved in pushing on this. >> willie. >> dr. brzezinski, what can the president of the united states be doing right now? we trust that he is making those phone calls to europe. but what kind of strength would you like to see out of your president this morning? >> first of all, i fully agree

with what he said and the way he said it. what you just broadcast a few seconds ago was really an impressive performance, and that is leadership because that unifies support. and i imagine he's saying the same thing to his colleagues in europe. i think we have to follow up our current sanctions even with further steps. but i think more important right now is european actions. they have to line up because that's essential. i think there was a moment right after the discovery of this crime that there was some hesitation, some almost panic in putin's own eyes. and what would have been terrific if he had at that moment, look, we made a mistake. we provided weapons to these people. they have been irresponsible. we're terminating the aid. we're willing to hand them over to the international criminal tribunal, and russia would have been an international hero. right now russia is sliding into isolation and disgrace.

it has engaged in massive mendacity on the basis fundamentally of political cowardice. >> whether he had a blink there, mark halperin, he is now doubling down on defiance at this point, vladimir putin. >> he's doubling down with an 85% approval rating. and in the short term -- >> within russia. >> yeah, within russia. secretary albright, there are a lot of tactical decisions in dealing with putin. you're a student of u.s./russian relations. in the medium term, the longer term, what is americans' strategy for dealing with putin? can there ever be normal relations with russia again as long as putin is in power? >> well, i think there have to be normal relations. but the bottom line is the president made very clear russia's culpability. i think what is interesting is putin has been caught in the web of his own lies. he has made up the whole story from the very beginning, and now he is trying to figure out how to explain to his people that all the things he's been saying

about the ukrainians and who started what are absolutely lies. and so he did have a moment. the question is, is he more concerned about his internal popularity, or does he understand that he has really completely missed the boat in terms of taking this moment to do exactly what zbigniew suggested. i think the president and the leaders have to keep calling him on this. he is responsible for this. he is the one that has to get some kind of control over the rebels and, in fact, admit that what he's done in the area is the cause of it and not the west or the cia or poroshenko. >> so dr. brzezinski, off of what secretary albright just said, is it time in our toolbox, in our national security toolbox, is it time to take out the united nations tool with samantha power circa back to 1962, adlai stevenson, the cuban missile crisis, and point out to the world the intelligence

assessments that we have about where this missile was fired, from when it was fired and, in fact, it was the surface-to-air missile that took down the plane? is it time to do that? >> well, i think we are, in fact, doing that. perhaps we ought to have some sort of a kprecomprehensive assessment, but we are doing it. and of course, a critical part of that is the boast by the person who actually shot that plane down. he went on the air. he put himself on some sort of equivalent, russian equivalent of twitter or something and boasted of it. and then a few minutes later when he realized what has happened, that it wasn't a ukrainian plane but a foreign plane, he immediately tried to eliminate that. and we have that evidence. it's striking. i think most russians now realize that putin is engaging in massive and disgraceful mendacity. >> secretary albright, critics of the obama administration have said these sanctions that came after crimea and in the intervening months were sort of nibbling around the edges.

and that now it's time for something more serious. knowing what you know about vladimir putin, knowing about his regime, what would really hurt him to the point where he would stop some of these things he's been doing on the international stage? >> can i just go back on revealing evidence? i have to tell you that when i was at the united nations, i brought out evidence of what had happened. we released a lot of classified material that allowed us to do that. same thing when there was the shootdown of the cuban -- of the cuban-american, unarmed planes. i think it is important, despite the fact that it is evident from the press for that kind of evidence to be made publicly at the united nations. i believe that that is a very good idea. i think that we have to keep isolating putin. i think the sanctions have worked in a lot of different ways in terms of the isolation aspect. and i think that we also, as we have said before, is move around some of the nato forces, have

some participation in the partnership for peace exercises. but mostly we have to keep turning up the heat on putin in terms of isolating him because he is punishing his own people to whom he is lying and, in fact, making their lives ultimately impossible. >> gene robinson is back at the table in washington. and aren't there economic ramifications around the world including to us if we do further isolate him, and also, how do we not, by the way, close in on putin, and how do we do that in the face of his boldface lying about who bears the responsibility for the murder of 298 people? >> well, there certainly are economic ramifications fewer for us than for the european countries. look at britain where the mayfair district of london is like little moscow, the oligarchs have so much money there. france, they're selling warships to russia and a lot of other

high-ticket equipment. germany, of course, has even more business ties with russia. and is dependent on natural gas. i had a question for dr. brzezinski, though, which is that what if keeping ukraine in the russian orbit is just more important to putin than those economic ties, more important to putin than avoiding the sanctions? if that's the case, then what? >> well, it may be the case, but the problem is how is he going about doing it? he, in fact, is steadily alienating more than 40 million ukrainians. they are already in a state of outrage over crimea. they are now increasing in a state of outrage over the destabilization of the eastern parts of their country. they're now entangled in this horrible tragedy. i think the ukrainians are being turned against the russians by putin' stupidity. and what strikes me from my

occasional contacts with russians, some of them are fairly highly placed not far from putin, that they are appalled. i think putin has badly stumbled. and i think his mendacity is disgracing him and derivatively much of the country, and i think the russians are becoming aware of it. and we stick to our guns, i think we'll prevail. and we have to put pressure on those who are wavering, and that's particularly italy. the contrast between sweden and italy speaks for itself and is an embarrassment for italy. >> a moment of truth for europe and the west. i want to get to another major story developing. the death toll in the middle east climbing once more this morning. right now 584 palestinians are dead. 27 israelis by the latest official counts. some 100,000 palestinians are reportedly seeking refuge with the u.n. and israeli media reports a soldier is missing in gaza. secretary of state john kerry is in cairo trying to broker a

cease-fire. and in a one-on-one interview with brian williams, israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu said hamas is in large part to blame for the growing number of civilian casualties, adding the u.s. would defend itself at all costs if put in the same position. >> you know, at a certain point, you say what choice have you got? what would you do? what if you do if american cities -- where you're sitting now, brian, would be rocketed, would absorb hundreds of rockets? you know what you'd say? you'd say to your leader, a man's got to do what a man's got to do, and you'd say a country's got to do what a country's got to do. we have to defend ourselves. >> secretary albright, just listening to benjamin netanyahu's words, "a man's got to do what a man's got to do," what can john kerry do given where this is at at this point? >> well, john kerry is in cairo. he is dealing with a proposal made by the egyptians on a

cease-fire along with other countries in the region to push for a cease-fire. i think that is an absolutely essential aspect of this. john kerry has devoted an incredible amount of time and energy to try to get the parties together. we know what the answers are to this problem. it's a two-state solution, and a number of the various aspects that all of the americans have been working on for many years. it takes political will on both sides to make this happen. and i'm very glad that john kerry is working so hard on this. but ultimately, it's the parties in the region that have to make the decisions. this is a massive tragedy again. and it's very hard to disagree with prime minister netanyahu if you're being attacked, how you defend yourself. the question is the proportionality of it. >> exactly. mike barnicle? >> dr. brzezinski, we just heard prime minister netanyahu say a man's got to do what a man's got to do. my question to you, in the middle east, the men leading israel, the men leading hamas,

the men leading other institutions, political institutions in gaza and throughout the middle east, are any of them man enough to sit down and cut a cease-fire deal? >> i think there are some politicians in israel who are men enough and women enough to do that. i don't include prime minister netanyahu in that category. i think madeleine put it extremely well. the issue is larger than just gaza. the issue is peace between israel and the palestinians. the peace, if there were one, would result in a large measure of the problem in gaza. the fact is that honest, dedicated efforts to produce that peace by our secretary of state, by the president of the united states, by previous leaders of the united states, previous secretaries of state of the united states like madeleine, for example, have made that effort. it's been started by mr. netanyahu. that's the fact of the matter.

how can you have peace if at the same time someone is incorporating the territory that is at issue, is building on it, is indicating that most of the territory will be part of israel and that the palestinians can be a second-class minority and essentially a militant israeli state? most israelis don't support that. most israelis are in favor of peace. the majority of the american-jewish community is in favor of peace. but the ideologues, hard-liners, the ones that promulgate confrontation are in charge, and that's what's so hard and so disgustingly destructive for both israelis and the palestinians. >> mark halperin. >> secretary albright, do you trust prime minister netanyahu and the israeli government, the israeli military to have proportionality in this ongoing military operation? >> i don't think it's a matter of trust. it's a matter of the fact that they need to understand that, in fact, they are losing their moral authority. we all, i think, believe in the

security of israel. it's absolutely essential. they are our friends and allies. but i do think that it is important to accept a cease-fire. the truth is that prime minister netanyahu has, in fact, a couple of times said that he would go forward with a cease-fire. it's hamas that is not responding to it. and part of the problem here is that while the relationship between egypt and israel has been useful over the years, part of the problem is that president sisi does not have the same relationship with hamas. there is the problem with trying to get hamas to accept a cease-fire. >> former secretary of state madeleine albright, thank you so much. dr. zbigniew brzezinski, thank you as well. thanks, dad. >> thank you. >> good to have you both. still ahead on "morning joe," we'll speak to ed royce and chris murphy about what, if anything, the obama white house should do in eastern ukraine. plus, we'll go behind the scenes of one of the year's most touching movies. how the cast and crew of

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>> hardest restaurateur. >> reporter: democratic minority leader nancy pelosi still recognizes the power and charm of retail politics. >> how are you? >> how are you? >> i've been praying for you. >> thank you. >> tommy says you're getting better. >> yeah. well, the mortician told me the same thing. >> reporter: it's a part of her fabric that she admits was cultivated from an early age. >> that's really what i learned in baltimore, maryland, little italy is that you have to be on the ground. >> reporter: growing up, the youngest of six and the only daughter of one of baltimore's longest serving mayors, thomas della sandro, it would place her in the company of presidents like john kennedy. but it was pelosi's childhood, answering the door at her family home, trying to help the people who came to see her dad that proved to be her political training ground. so you learned at an early age on how to connect the dots? >> well, you know, i wasn't even thinking in terms of that.

it was that people needed help and therefore we wanted to tell them how to go about having that happen. >> reporter: and now it's not bad that there is a new sign on this street as well. what do you think about that? what do you think your dad would say about seeing this as nancy d'allesandro pelosi? >> they did a lot of great things. >> reporter: my great uncle served as baltimore's public relations director and adviser to pelosi's father while he was mayor during the 1950s charm city blossomed under the mayor and uncle tom as a major sports town. in growing the city's image, they brokered deals to i before the pga, nfl to baltimore. i was just reading how they brought the orioles here in the 1950s. and now they're the a.l. east leaders. are you still an orioles fan? >> i sure am. the orioles and the giants share orange and black.

so -- >> reporter: so you can get away with it? you can get away with it without it being a problem? >> of course i'm a giants fan, but i'm also an oriole fan after that. >> reporter: since pelosi was first elected to congress over 25 years ago in northern california, she's been labeled as a san francisco liberal, a title she gladly embraces. but it is her time as 60th speaker of the house from 2007 to 2011 that has earned her the title as the highest ranking woman in american politics. her goal now, reclaim the house in november and help a female democrat surpass her. so you wouldn't mind getting the gavel back, then? >> well, i want the democrats to have the galle back. i've been there, done that. it doesn't have to be me, but i do want the democrats to have the gavel back. >> reporter: we have a lot of women who get bandied about names for running for higher office. and we hear the clinton name, elizabeth warren. what do you think about the pelosi fame? >> i'm a legislator. i love legislating.

i love the compromise that comes with trying to build consensus to do some good for the american people in a way that is sustainable. so i'm in my arena. when i'm called the highest ranking woman in american history, that's so, but that is a title that i would gladly relinquish, and i can't wait until that's surpassed by having the first woman president of the united states, and i'm very excited about that prospect. >> excellent. >> it was amazing access that we got to leader pelosi and a fun time going back to baltimore where we got to talk about some things. >> i think that was sabotino's. >> there's more. coming up next, live minority leader nancy pelosi is joining us. hopefully she liked the story. we're going to find out live next. "morning joe" will be right back.

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>> and so on that note, how is legislating in washington these days? some issues that you and i are aligned with, minimum wage, student loans, it's hard to get anything through. is it still in your soul to be a legislator in the current climate in washington? >> well, you have to keep -- you have to be optimistic, and you have to keep on working. >> how do you do that? >> the american people expect us and deserve for us to do that. but it's just a stunning thing that no matter what it is, if the president is for it, the republicans are against it, and that wasn't the way it was when we had the majority and president bush was president. we worked with -- we opposed him on the war in iraq and privatizing social security, but beyond that, we got many things accomplished working together. >> have you found any common ground on any issues in -- i mean, are we overstating the fact that nothing is happening in washington? >> no. you are not overstating it, but we did do one bill that the president is going to sign today, a worker training bill that wasn't so good in the

house, but it was approved in the senate. and we all support it, and the prosecute president's going to sign it today. that's one. >> that's hope. >> that's meager compared to what we really need to do. >> i want to switch to foreign policy because there's so much going on in the world. you like secretary albright support israel's right to defend itself. she also said to us just a minute ago that israel is, quote, losing its moral authority. i want to ask you really specifically, do you agree with her that the military operation is endangering israel's moral authority? >> well, there are equities that have to be weighed, and i think every one of us knows our first responsibility as public officials is to protect and defend. we take an oath to do that. i would hope that israel would not allow the hamas and how they conduct their aggression to make it look that way, to have israel lose that peace of the public relations debate that is going on. but i don't think they've lost their moral authority.

i do think this is an unfortunate situation that should come to an end. israel accepted the cease-fire. hamas did not. so if you want peace, that's one thing. if you want conflict as hamas seems to do, you are in the driver's seat, and you can make the opponent look terrible. >> do you think israel should continue the ground operation as long as they believe that there's still more to be done in terms of getting rid of these tunnels, in terms of sending a message to hamas? would you trust their judgment to end the operation when they think is appropriate? >> well, as far as the tunnels are concerned, it only makes sense for them to make sure that people aren't coming through in ways that you know and have been described very clearly. but we have -- thank god for the iron dome and the funding we have for that. if we get a supplemental soon, we'll probably increase the funding for iron dome to enhance israel's ability to defend itself. and in the hope that world

opinion will insist that this fighting stop on both sides. >> have you been satisfied with the collective response including the response of the united states to what happened last thursday afternoon, last friday over the ukraine, the shooting down, 297 cases of homicide? are you satisfied with the collective response to this? >> well, it's like we're on a path where we'll see how europe will weigh in because of the invasion or the aggressiveness of russia, of putin in ukraine, the eastern ukraine, the president has taken the lead on sanctions in the area just even a day before all of this, he increased the sanctions going into the sector sanctions in the hope that the europeans would enthusiastically follow suit.

so i think he has been on the right -- i know that he has been on the right path. now with this, your comment this morning, pull back the veil, pull back the curtain, did you say, on this, that was perfect because it really gave evidence of the complete misrepresentation, i guess, a gentle word, but lying that putin that doing. >> boldface lying. i mean, the president, i think, actually was crystal clear in his words, putting the responsibility on vladimir putin, ultimately for the murder of 298 people in the skies over eastern ukraine. there have been people who want the president to call him a thug or to man up or whatever. and i don't know what name calling does, but definitely putting the responsibility on putin. and then what do you think the next steps are? because he is lying in the face of this condemnation that he is getting from david cameron,

president obama. we're waiting on merkel, but some leaders in sweden as well as the netherlands. there is a growing ground swell of condemnation for putin. but then what? >> well, the actions even going into crimea seem to -- that really shouldn't stand. the leaders that i talked to just had the speaker of the swedish parliament in my office and saying that most europeans don't think that should stand. it takes something, though, an episode, whatever it is, so outrageous that you can't defend your actions unless you are out there against it. >> this would be it. >> this would be it. now, the dutch, it's interesting, they don't depend on russia for oil. they get their fuel from -- their energy from norway. but they have royal dutch, heineken and others that do business there. so i think the europeans want to see what the dutch will do.

alexandra, whom you know, her husband is dutch. my grandchildren are in the netherlands now visiting their grandparents. and what they're saying -- my son-in-law, what they're saying is it's such a small country. 198 people plus the others. but 198 dutch, everybody knows somebody or it's a couple degrees of separation. so this has had a traumatic effect. and so we'll see what the people require the government to do. >> leader pelosi, i want to ask you about what's taking place on the southern border. we know that governor perry has called up national guard troops with unaccompanied minors that continue to flood over. everyone's trying to do the best by these children, but they're falling into the judicial system that some say has unintended consequences because of a 2008 law. what is being done specifically in washington to try to address that so that all sides can feel as if they're reaching a compromise to help these kids that are flooding in from central america?

>> in washington, i see an embrace of the idea that this is a humanitarian crisis by people who are not politicizing the issue. what we need to do is have the supplemental that gives us the resources to meet the humanitarian needs, to do the border control, but also to have the judicial piece so that these children have representation and judges to hear their cases. those who have a right to stay, whether it's refugee status or asylum, whatever, should stay, and those should go back, and that's the message that the governments of the three countries. now, the president this week -- is it today, the meeting -- i've lost track of his schedule -- but is it this week? friday, i think it is. he's meeting with the three, the president of honduras, guatemala and el salvador to make it really clear that while you may have violence and these kids are endangered in their country, let us help you because that supplemental also has funds to

repa repatriate them. i also reference the conference of bishops statement in which they say baby jesus was a refugee from violence. let us not turn away these children and send them back into a burning building. that's the bishops. so we have to do this in a way that honors our values but also protects our border and does so in a way that the american people understand more clearly. >> you're engaged in your usual tireless efforts to win house seats back. >> yes. >> lots of fund-raising, lots of travel. and you're publicly on record saying as you must that you think you're going to win back the majority. convince us that you really do think that. >> let me just say this is a very odd year, that all assumptions that people have made about in an off year of the president's party, they're all stale, and they're obsolete. communication is completely

different, and you no he thknown how people organize with social media. we have a great chairman, steve israel, and he has recruited great candidates. they're wonderful. i have no doubt that we will win enough seats. but as steve says, you can't add by subtracting, so we have to hold the seats that we have. last election we won 16 seats. we need 17. >> this would be the biggest upset ever if you did, right? >> no, 2006 was the biggest upset. up until like october, nobody thought that we were going to take back -- they didn't even think in october, but nobody suspected in october that we do. you never know. you never know in elections. after the republicans shut down government for 17 days, your colleagues in the press were saying to us, you have to be stupid not to win 50 seats. a couple weeks later the website didn't work, and that sort of eclipsed what had happened before. but we think the distinct -- when women succeed, america

succeeds to get the women's vote out, and women are smart, as you mentioned in fund-raising. they're also smart in voting. so we feel pretty good about the quality of our candidates, our message about middle-class jump starts, about keeping jobs here instead of having tax policies, companies that send jobs overseas, what you mentioned about making college more affordable, we feel pretty good about it. >> your most prolific fund-raiser, the president of the united states i believe is on the road again today, and i believe he's going to be in san francisco tonight or tomorrow. >> that's right. tomorrow. >> raising money for democrats running for office. i understand your position within the party. i understand your reluctance to back-seat drive anyone. but there is, as you know, a lot of talk about the president of the united states being kind of remote, kind of difficult to access emotionally kind of not angry enough, as mika alluded to in his statements about the russians, you know, shooting down the airliner. >> at first.

i thought he was good yesterday. >> what is the deal with the guy with regard to you? >> do you want me to write a book or something to talk about that? >> yeah. >> let me just say this about the president. when he took office, the market was at 7,000. it's at 17,000. unemployment was at 7%. it's at 6.1%. the deficit is still too much, going in the right direction. 52 straight months of private sector job growth, whether it's production of energy in our country, reducing our dependence on foreign oil. millions of people having access to quality affordable health care. he has been -- >> is that working in california? >> yes. >> it is? >> it's fabulous. california is great. we are so proud of how it is working in california. and it's working in many other places in the country as well. so i think he has a great deal to be proud of.

a person's temperament about how -- i always quote lincoln. lincoln said public sentiment is everything. and actually, ronald reagan used to quote that of lincoln. so while i disagree with the characterization, if that's the impression people have, then communication has to be stepped up. >> all right. house minority leader nancy pelosi. >> good job. >> it was great, by the way, to work with you at the white house working families summit. >> wasn't that great? >> that was a female bonding moment times 2,000 with a great audience. lots of fun. you were fantastic. >> and it was wonderful that you were there. you just made it so exciting. >> we went there on everything. nancy pelosi, thank you very much. very good to see you. >> my pleasure. lovely to see you. up next, he says it's time to force putin's hand, holding him accountable for his actions in eastern ukraine. congressman ed royce joins us next with his take. keep it right here on "morning joe."

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game. if somebody here around the table talks about a political game, this is the political game that has been played with human remains, and it is despicable. we demand -- >> that was first russia's ambassador to malaysia on claims that links russia to the downing of malaysia airlines flight 17. she was followed by those tough comments from the dutch foreign minister. joining us now, chairman of the house committee on foreign affairs, republican congressman ed royce of california. congressman royce, thanks for being on this morning. you have said this is the first opportunity we have to force vladimir putin's hand. how do you suggest we do that? >> well, this is our opportunity really to lead here and get the international will behind an effort that would put sector sanctions on russia, but there's another thing the united states could do, and that is answer ukraine's request for gas, for lng. we should have a long-term strategy, and we'd have to change the president's position

on this, but one where we sell lng for the future into the market in ukraine in order to replace the russian gas. the way in which we can do it, obviously, is to use the angst, the concern in russia -- about russia's actions today in europe and around the world in order to get the kinds of sanctions that would force putin's hand. >> we could certainly operate on other levels, mark halperin, that being one of them. >> absolutely. we'll see what happens. certainly increased pressure for that. congressman, can the united states, should the united states have normal productive relationships with russia as long as putin is in power? >> absolutely. but at the same time, we should be pointing out that putin is using social media right now to recruit every skinhead and malcontent around russia and get them into eastern ukraine. i was in eastern ukraine, and i had an opportunity to talk there to the russian-speaking

population. and their concern was that in what vladimir putin is doing in bringing in these outside forces from russia, especially these top four commanders now in eastern ukraine who are all russian, they are not russian-speaking ukrainians. they are ethnic russian citizens who are now calling the shots. and the group that they're working with are very poorly trained. when you look at these separatists who they took we know, our military intelligence knows, that these separatists were taken into russia to be trained in how to use these sa-11s, and they're poorly trained. so they've now shot down a jetliner. their conduct out there, as you saw, as they were using the credit cards, as they were taking wedding rings off of people, as they were, you know, trying to pull out the pieces of metal from the sa-11s so that they could sanitize the crime scene, these are the actions

right now that really have created around the world this revulsion about what putin is doing. we need to lead and focus that energy into pressuring and leveraging putin out of eastern ukraine. >> yes. >> if we keep the weapons out, no more weapons into eastern ukraine. >> mike. >> so congressman, is it time to take that intelligence that you referred to, to take what we have already been publicized, but to take the intel about when the shot was made, where the missile was shot from, when it hit the plane and go to samantha power at the u.n. and have her do it the way stevenson did it in 1962 at the cuban missile crisis to hold russia's actions up for the world to see? >> what a great suggestion because samantha power has been very, very powerful in the way in which she has made that case at the u.n. and yes, it's very reminiscent to that moment with adlai stevenson, and i think we have the evidence now for us to lay out, for her to lay out.

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this crisis over the downing of the malaysia airlines flight, what did secretary kerry not say? what is the administration not yet prepared to do that you think must be done? >> one, he didn't call putin the thug that he is. >> hear, hear! this horrible tragedy could have been avoided if barack obama would have just called putin a thug. once again, ladies and gentlemen, further international crisis, vladimir putin, you are a jerk, sir. you, you -- i'm sorry. i've got to say it. you -- you are a stupid poopy face. what's the reaction in the ukraine? yes, the russians are pulling

out of donetsk. you're welcome, world. i had to. i had to. >> it's 8:00 am on the east coast. 5:00 am on the west coast. take a live look at new york city. on set we have mark halperin and mike barnicle. we'll be starting this morning with the ukraine and all the questions that are truly emerging out of this. you'll be hearing from this father who was on the front page of "the new york post" and other papers as well, who crystallizes the evil that has been done upon so many families. pro-russian rebels appear to finally be cooperating with the investigation into the downing of malaysia airlines flight 17. the separatists or kremlin surrogates have handed over the black boxes after days of

pressure. a train filled with the bodies of the victims. full access to the crash site hours after president obama criticized the rebels and russian president vladimir putin. >> the separatists are removing evidence from the crash site, all of which begs the question, what exactly are they trying to hide? russia has urged them on. russia has trained them. we know russia has armed them with military equipment and russia, in particular, has encouraged them not to aid in the investigation. >> ukrainian missile systems or ukrainian fighter plane, the kremlin says, likely brought

down the jet. putin released his own video statement, promising to help end the violence but then pointed the finger again at ukraine's government. he says he is confident the tragedy would not have occurred if ukraine did not resume combat authorities last month. sharply criticizing the delay, calling it a despicable political gain being played with human remains. mark halperin, we're hearing that from the dutch foreign minister. we've heard from david cameron on pretty strong assertions and now president obama is putting the responsibility squarely on putin, which i think is in good time, after kind of giving this investigation a few days. but it seems like europe, and everybody is being so careful with what is obvious. what are the ramifications of condemning russia strongly? >> the human tragedy needs to be

addressed. putin was not confronted really effectively for going into crimea. he has a huge opinion rating. someone must stand up to him and someone must lead the world to get europe to understand that they're going to have to suffer economically and stand up to him. someone must do that. >> there are all sorts of calls for the presidents to call putin a thug or man up or what else, as we heard in the joke sound bite bumping in, but isn't this about a line that has been crossed? >> this is about nearly 300 -- >> this is about evil. >> 300 counts of homicide. mass murder in the sky, about them failing to do nothing really when it comes to vladimir putin's aggression. i would not be surprised if this

came down to samantha power and the united nations. she's spoken strongly already, much more strongly than has the president of the united states. i harken back to 1962. the united states government has all of the intelligence on hand to show exactly the heat-seeking -- the arc of the missile, where it was fired from, when it was fired, the time elapsed between when it was fired, when it struck the airplane. we have all of that. that's going to be presented at some point. it has to be presented to the world. most likely, i would think, now in the united nations. >> the case has been built already, gene, over the last four or five days since this terrible, terrible tragedy happened. we've seen some evidence. it's not just the united states. it's the u.n. and others saying it is russian separatists with weapons provided by russia. we can do sanctions or new sanctions, some of the oligarchs over there. what happens to put real

pressure on putin? >> i would like to see the evidence presented in the right forum, and all the evidence. if it's as definitive as we're told it is, then that should have an impact. and i think the united nations would be a great place to do that. samantha power, who has spoken so forcefully, would be the right person, the right messenger. now beyond that, the problem really isn't that -- it isn't anything but europe. europe is still reluctant, i fear, to really go toward tough, tough sanctions on putin because of the economic relationship. and european economies are still fragile. and they worry about a natural gas shock that putin could certainly create. plus europe just wants to have

good relations with russia or nonthreatening relations with russia. i'm not sure that hurdle has been fully crossed yet. >> we talked at the top here about the father of a 17-year-old girl killed on the plane, who has now speak out, hans de borst. turned to facebook. >> thank you very much, mr. putin, leaders of the separatists or the ukraine government for murdering my loved and only child. she has been shot out of the sky. regards, elsemiek's father, whose life is ruined now. >> how would you characterize the president's statement yesterday and also what is the timeline in terms of working with other world leaders and, you know, to use a statement that's been used on this show very carefully, tragedy is opportunity. to take the opportunity to act

in the face of the evil and the pain that these families are facing? >> i would characterize the president's statements as getting stronger since this happened last week. you've seen him ratchet up the rhetoric against russia, in particular. in terms of what's going to happen next, we're told by officials that there are no imminent u.s. sanctions. the focus is really on europe at this point. the europeans will be talking about additional penalties. you are seeing britain in particular being incredibly tough in calling for sweeping sanctions. the germans are calling on sweeping sanctions. the french are selling war ships to russia. they plan on going forward with that. it's interesting that you're starting to hear from some europeans that they feel like if they go forward with sanctions, it could hamper the

investigation, that russia could retaliate in some way and prevent access to the site. even as horrible as this tragedy has been, you'll still see a lot of reluctance over the next couple of days from the europeans. in the middle east, the death toll is climbing once again this morning. now 584 palestinians are dead, 27 israelis by the latest official counts. some 100,000 palestinians are reportedly seeking refuge with the u.n. and israeli media reports a soldier is missing again in gaza. secretary of state john kerry is trying to broker a cease fire. benjamin netanyahu says hamas is in large part to blame for the growing number of civilian casualties, adding the u.s. would defend itself at all costs if put in the same position. >> what choice have we got? what would you do? what would you do if american

cities, where you're sitting now, brian, would be rocketed, would be absorbing hundreds of rockets? do you know what you would say? you would say to your leader a man's got to do what a man's got to do and our country's got to do what our country's got to do. we've got to defend ourselves. >> nbc news foreign correspondent ayman mohyeldin, good morning. what can you tell us this morning? what's new? >> reporter: we had a chance to put that allegation that the israeli prime minister directed toward hamas, and they responded. in terms of today, as they usually do in the morning hours, palestinian medical workers tend to go out and survey some of the attacks from overnight. they tend to try to recover the bodies that may be in buildings. this is one particular story today that's certainly grabbing a lot of headlines here in gaza. a residential building was struck late last night. the israeli air strike was targeting a specific apartment in that building. as rescue workers and paramedics

arrived to rescue them, the building collapsed. at least 11 people have been killed as a result. paramedics and workers are still trying to assess the damage of the building. this is a multi-story building, high rise building here in gaza. it will be one of those situations. it's a dangerous situation because officials are concerned that the building may collapse. in terms of the ongoing fighting, intense fighting taking place in the eastern part of gaza where the ground invasion took place that's now been running its fifth day since it began. guys? >> ayman, there have been consistent and very credible reports of the civilian population being used as shields by hamas during the fighting, on the ground specifically. the population being used as human shields. these are people who just want to live their lives. what can you tell us?

what's your sense of the feeling among the population of gaza, gaza city, about this ongoing issue? >> reporter: that's also the specific allegation we put toward hamas leaders and asked them to address in terms of what has emerged. the official response that has come out of hamas' leaders in an exclusive to nbc news is that they categorically denied. they have the right to go and freely ask palestinians if they feel they are being used as human shields. they have repeatedly denied in any way, shape or form that the military of hamas has placed its fighters in the facility of civilian institutions. obviously the united nations documented a case where one u.n. school actually had within its vicinity rockets that were used in the fight against israel. when you go out into the streets as we have been and talk to ordinary palestinians, their anger is not directed toward hamas.

they do not blame hamas for what is happening here on the ground. they do not believe they're being used as human shields. the question at play among the ordinary palestinians we've been speaking to is the amount of force being used by israel. we've heard the israeli argument that they've been using precision strikes, surgical strikes. we're seeing entire buildings collapse and we've seen at least 18 medical facilities that have been affected and damaged as a result of this. from the perspective of the palestinian people, the only thing affecting their daily lives is what they say is the attack and they are fighting israel's aggressions on the strip. >> thank you very much. politics and other news to cover as well. a new political poll could indicate a problem for hillary clinton if she runs for president in 2016. the majority of americans say she did not do a good job as secretary of state.

32% say her performance was poor and another 21% say she only did a fair job. 14% believe clinton did an excellent job while 28% rate her service as good. perhaps more troubling for the fir lady, 16% of independent voters say her four years leading the state department were poor or fair. a third of independents say she did a good or excellent job. it's a major change from a year ago when the then secretary of state had a 70% approval rating. clinton earned at least $12 million since she stepped down in february of last year. that includes the advance from her new memoir along with speaking fees which are said to command 200 grand per appearance. all of these go to the clinton foundation, some of them? >> they're not totally transparent. a lot of them do. she lost control of her public image.

it's the worst thing that can happen to somebody who is thinking of running for president. she had a book tour, could control the message. she can recover from it. right now she's lost control of how people are think iing, how e media is covering her. >> can i ask mark, monday morning quarterback question. >> i have one, too. >> would it have been better in hindsight had hillary clinton not written this book and gone out on the tour? no one was talking about her in terms of politics, just how she had done as secretary of state. >> she would have less money. >> that's true. >> the timing, how the book went for her political aspirations is not a good thing. attributes that are being overwhelmed by this negative coverage and it's going to keep going. the momentum. the press loves to cover her hard. the momentum is all against her right now. >> why is that, mark? >> about the press?

>> yeah. >> the clintons have tried to figure that out for several decades. i don't know. they're held to a different standard. you could scrutinize the personal wealth of a lot of people thinking of running for president. it's not happening right now. >> we did with mitt romney and it was different. i actually felt rather conflicted because i've had some reactions. we react on the show very transparently to the news as it comes past us. and mine hasn't been positive completely about her speaking fees. eugene and julie -- eugene first, i'm just wondering -- in retrospect, one thing i thought about that actually made me feel really good about the amount of her speaking fees that she was raking in, i'm just wondering if she could have deflected positively, eugene, and said something like, well, aren't you happy for me as a woman? aren't you glad that a woman can command such unbelievable speaking fees? and what men can do that, by the

way? we are in a new era. and i'm at the front of that line. what would be wrong with talking about the role of women in society, equal pay and women doing as well as men and sometimes outrageously well? >> that certainly would have been the better line than the one she has taken, to be buffetted around by it and pretend she's not making thaul m all that money, which she is. in terms of the clinton's finances, they -- she was born to not great wealth. she was comfortable growing up. not fantastically wealthy or anything. the clintons have worked very hard and made a lot of money and that's supposed to be something, i thought, that people respected and admired. that's the american way. yet they're the clintons. and if you look up the phrase lightning rod in the dictionary,

i suspect you see pictures of bill and hillary clinton. still ahead on "morning joe," critics are saying it's one of the must-see film of the year. patricia arquette will be here. how israel and palestine can reach a truce, if that's possible. up next, robert downey jr. is the king of hollywood? we'll tell you who else makes forbes list of top money makers next. first, bill karins has a check on our forecast. bill? >> good morning to you, mika. so far this year, believe it or not, this fire season has been very quiet compared to past years. we've been about one-third of that. that has changed in the last couple of days, though. all of a sudden we have a lot of large blazes out there, including this one from washington. 250,000 acres. that's a huge mass of central

washington state. they're calling it the biggest fire they've ever had in the state's history. they're not alone. other fires are burning there, too. let me show you another map here. officially 26 uncontained fires burning. little fire icon shows you where those fires are. here we have a couple. the majority of those are up here in washington state and oregon state. california is having a horrible drought. it goes to show you, the two don't go hand in hand. huge fire in washington state, though, clouds in the forecast today and rain. there's 1,600 firefighters on the line. we have a tropical depression out here in the atlantic. until it dies, we'll watch this closely. the official forecast does have it dying and becoming a tropical wave as it approaches the leeward islands. virgin islands and puerto rico, rain for you saturday but not a high-impact storm. that's good. back here in the states, strong thunderstorms late today, kansas

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of -- >> deaden. >> exactly. oh, stop. >> you get hungry. you have to eat something. >> signed a bill limiting full contact football practice for california teenagers. preventing middle and high school teens from holding full contact practices in the offseason. limited to no more than twice a week during the regular season. 19 other states are said to have already banned offseason full contact practices. the news comes amid football related head injuries. that makes sense, mike. doesn't it? >> good deal. preseason football, kids going out for the first time. >> after hearing these stories. >> most don't know how to tackle. >> exactly. >> they have to be taught how to tackle. >> you see what happens in professional football. i'm not sure i would ever want my kid to be out there, doing that. >> that has hurt football among younger kids, among parents your age. >> they get it.

>> how about lacrosse? >> i have friends growing up playing football, played in college sbad my kids are playing soccer. >> exactly. >> babies. for the second year in a row, forbes has named robert downey jr. the highest paid actor in hollywood, earning $75 million last year, the same amount he was reported to have earned on last year's list. the runner-up? dwayne johnson, the rock, star of the upcoming hercules series. and our man, "hangover" "american hustle," bradley cooper. >> yet he never picks up the check. >> oh, yes, he does. really. come on, bradley. now the longest marathon in tv history. if you want to binge watch the simpsons, wonder what would happen to the brain if one did

that. fxx is announcing it will show all 25 seasons of the simpsons plus the simpsons movie in kr chronological order 10:00 am august 21st. you might want to put that on the schedule. joe will probably be off for those 12 days. the episodes will run 24/7 and the marathon will last 12 days definitely. he and jack will sit there and watch it. last november, the network paid a whopping $750 million for exclusive syndication rights to the series. the purchase is considered the largest off-network syndication deal in television history. wow! okay. >> simpsons, 12 straight days. >> that's a lot of simpsons. >> politico's mr. mike allen has a look at the playbook. >> good morning, mr. willie geist. >> calling out the washington post for what he thought was its use of anonymous sourcing in a

recent article. let's listen to what he says. >> well, i would like to first point out that you're asking about a story that's based on entirely anonymous sources. that should be reflected in the record. >> we have anonymous sources from you all today. we have a call today. it's just -- how can you criticize that when that's what you basically give us every day except for the briefing? >> except for the fact that i've been standing here for an hour, answering all of your questions, which is an important practice, right? this is what we're committed to. the president is traveling tomorrow. i'm going to do a briefing tomorrow. we're committed to this process. that's why we do this briefing on the record. >> you're committed to anonymous sources. >> this is a story that basically said in "the washington post," that the white house had been warned about the coming immigration crisis and ignored it to some extent. calling the white house stance on this hypocritihypocritical.

>> the lead story of the sunday paper and quoted someone on the record, also in the headlines, saying that the administration had initially seen this as a local problem. so, that stings, no question. josh earnest criticized the anonymous sources in the story and jabbed "the washington post" for not being at the briefing, referred several times to the empty chair, saying "the post" wasn't there to defend itself. the reference you heard in that clip to the call today at the time that josh earnest who, on twitter, was briefing peter baker of the "new york times" tweeted at the very moment he was criticizing the use of anonymous sources by the press, the white house had just e-mailed a notification of

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we are both here in support of and in an effort to help get implemented the egyptian initiative for the cease fire. israel and egypt have encouraged that. and israel has accepted that cease fire proposal. so, only hamas now needs to make the decision to spare innocent civilians from this violence. >> that was secretary of state john kerry with the united nations secretary general ban ki moon, talking about efforts for the cease fire deal. joining us now, retired general michael hayden, director of the cia. also with us, democratic senator chris murphy of connecticut who serves on the foreign relations committee. it's great to have you with us. general hayden, when we see this

morning madeleine albright on air talking about israel, in her mind's eye, losing the moral authority here, what is your gut reaction to hearing a statement like that? >> it might be less moral authority than the public relations campaign. hamas is certainly providing global network with an awful lot of b roll of unargumentative. i think it's morally, legally legitimate and probably need a couple of days to achieve that which they set out to accomplish. >> i don't want to make this sound glib about making this a pr situation. everyone is taking in this information differently and see it is in different lights. when we look at washington, d.c., how it's reacting, have secretary of state john kerry travel to cairo to try to broker this, do you think that there is the possibility that this time around it will work going

through egypt? obviously, before hamas rejected a cease fire through egypt before. >> it's a pretty simple deal, which is a cease fire accepted today by both sides. hamas has some reluctance to allow egypt to broker that agreement. the involvement of the united states now makes it easier. the fact that 75% of the casualties so far have been civilian, that is a problem for israel. it's a problem for the united states as well, which is why we have to be so concerned about this. this is bulletin board material for stuff for folks who are recruiting the fight against israel but also against the west in general. it's in our interest to get this ended with a cease fire as soon as possible. >> mark halperin? >> general, you said a couple more days for the israeli military operation. when will they know when they're done with what they want to achieve? >> that's a great question,

mark. frankly i've heard some israeli officers refer to this as mowing the grass. it's not as if you achieve an objective, totally disable hamas but set them back for an extended period of time from an ability to do great harm against the israeli state. they set their eyes -- the marker really this time is on the tunnels, not so much on the rockets. they've made good progress against that. frankly, they feel they need a couple more days. we'll see if the political situation, as you correctly point out, allows them to do that. >> prime minister netanyahu with brian williams said, among other things, with regard to what is going on in gaza city that a man has to do what a man has to do. do you think prime minister netanyahu, mr. abbas, the head of hamas, is there any men among them with the courage to cut a

cease fire deal right now? >> well, the cease fire deal is pretty easy. it's been clear for a long time that you don't have the leadership right now either on the israeli side or the palestinian side in order to do anything more than that. i think we are in a position of essentially waiting for new leadership on both sides in order to do anything more substantial on the peace process. israel does need to understand that although they may believe that they need two or three more days, if they continue to inflict this kind of civilian casualties, notwithstanding their legitimate military objective, that could be more dangerous for israel rather than less dangerous. in the long run, it will prolong this conflict and increase the ability of hamas to recruit into its ranks. i certainly understand that these tunnels provide an immediate danger that they have to take care of. they need to weigh that against the long-term danger of continuing to provide this kind of recruiting tool to hamas. >> i want to switch gears and get your take on what we're

watching unfolding in ukraine, the investigation going into mh flight 17 downed last week. let me start with you, general hayden. there's been a lot of criticism for this white house, the fact that we haven't aided ukraine in any of the type of military operations that they've had to go up against with the pro-russian separatists. is it naive to think that the only thing we've done as a country is send food to those military ukrainians that we haven't been through the cia probably supplying some type of weapons? >> well, thomas, i'm out of government but i've got high confidence that what you just suggest hasd beed has been goin that we've been helping the ukrainians in terms of strategic planning and helping themselves. frankly, i think putin was taken aback by the strength of ukrainian military response beginning in late june and into early july. they regained an awful lot of

separatist territory and it was perhaps even a sense of a bit of panic that putin or someone in russia then decided to push this russian heavy weaponry into the hands of the separatists, including these sa-11 surface-to-air missiles. >> what's your reaction been to the rather slow-motion response within europe toward this horrific tragedy? >> it's hard to understand what europe's play is here. if this doesn't wake them up, ooi i'm not sure what will. they don't have to do much this week to tighten the noose around russia's economy. the u.s. put in place sanctions on the two biggest russian energy banks. it's not as effective as it should be without european sanctions. if they just went forward this week with sanctions on those two russian energy banks, you would see a pretty substantial downturn in the russian economy, which may change putin's

calculus. hopefully the game is now different, having this airliner gone down. later this week or the beginning of next week you'll see some movement from europe on sanctions. >> general michael hayden. and thanks to senator chris murphy. appreciate it. right here on "morning joe," simply put, it's one of the best reviewed films in recent memory. 12 years in the making. "boyhood" takes us on -- patricia arquette and ellar coltrane are standing by to join us next.

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would happen, especially with the release of the film and just how much it's blown up and how incredible the reception has been. never expected anything like this. >> patricia, for you, this was an amazing project to align yourself with. i was just saying, you started this project before you committed to the project of "boyhood." what was it like for you, obviously, having to figure out your commitment, your schedule to come back every year, to be in this? >> our director and ethan hawke and myself, we were all doing different projects. it wasn't the same time every year, but since i started this movie before i started "medium" i told them the whole time, i have this other movie i'm committed to. i'm not sure what time of year they're going to shoot but i need to do that. rick would give us a few months heads up and then the producers would make time for me. >> mark halperin? >> the film has gotten best reviews of any films in recent

years. incredible project. you all are going to do quite well with it. congratulations. pretty much everyone in austin, texas, i've ever met is a good actor. they picked you. did you know you would be a great actor? not just now, not just at 6. how did they know you would be a good person to bet on? >> i don't know. they helped me. a big part of why. just kept learning more and more how to act. i was acting a little bit when we started and went to an audition and had a resume and everything. >> as a 6-year-old? >> as a 6-year-old. >> strong resume. >> you have your dad's hair and goatee going. patricia, he has your eyes but he has ethan hawke's look going. >> i know. >> a degree of difficulty, if there was such a degree of difficulty in staying in part when, you know, we'll call you in six months when your whiskers grow out or whatever. what about that?

>> because there wasn't really a script at the beginning, there was an architecture of what changes the family was going to go through. there was always the building process anyway every year. you started to build this history from one year to the next, shared history as artists making something and further exploring your character. so, we would read a rough draft. rick would write. we would improvise. we would talk about life experiences. he would rewrite it. so, just the process rick brought us through kind of deepened -- >> you were always kind of right there with the characters and we were able to put a lot of ourselves into the character. >> the documentary feel to the movie. >> we always knew who they were. >> has the bug kicked in? are you working on other projects right now? >> not quite yet. but i definitely -- >> one of the best reviews i read saying "boyhood" is an epic masterpiece that seems wholly unconcerned with trying to be

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downtown. for more information on the event and the mission, visit crowdrise.com/graceoutreach. wish me luck. i think i'll be sore. >> you'll be great. strap in. >> really? >> yeah. >> they yell at you. it's a lot of whooping it up. >> i don't really get it. you ride a bike but in a room and they're yelling at you. i think it's for the young people. if it's way too early, what time is it, thomas? >> "morning joe." >> but right now it's time for luke russert and "the daily rundown." >> pro-russian rebels hand over the black boxes from malaysia flight 17 as the victims bodies arrive in a safer part of the count country. republican runoff in georgia which could determine which party controls the senate. deploying up to