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from that country due to the explosion of violence there. this started with the airlines themselves and has since been backed up by a warning by the faa. all this, of course, secretary of state john kerry remains in cairo trying desperately to revive an egypt-brokered ceasefire and israeli prime minister netanyahu defends charges that the country's role in the conflict is just too indiscriminate. >> you know, certain point you say what choice have you got? what would you do? what would you do if american cities, where are you sitting now, brian, rocketed and absorb the hundreds of rockets? you know what you would say? you'd say to your leader, a man's got to do what a man's got to do and a country's got to do what a country's got to do. we have to defend ourselves. >> 27 israeli soldiers are confirmed dead at this point. one is missing. civil i can't ian death toll in just crossed 600.
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breaking, president obama stepped by the netherlands embassy in washington signing a condolence book for victims of malaysia air flight 17. >> to assure the people that we will work with them to make sure that loved ones are recovered, that a proper investigation is conducted and that ultimately justice is done. >> today the u.s. government plans to release more intelligence on that incident and malaysia authorities finally have the black boxes handed over from pro-russian separatists just late yesterday. reuters reporting that interpoll started identifying victims' remains after being transported by refrigerated train. family members are angstly waiting for answers. one victim's father posted this emotional letter on facebook. >> thank you very much, mr. putin, leaders of the separatists, or the ukraine
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government for murdering my lovely and only child. she is shot out of the sky. regards, a father whose life is ruined now. >> that man's only daughter of the netherlands was 17 years old. and developing this hour, duelling rules on obamacare and what's next? first u.s. appeals court threw out an irs regulation implementing obamacare health insurance subsidies essential to making the law affordable for millions of americans and returns the case to a lower court but a second federal appeals court also today reached the opposite conclusion upholding federal subsidies in obamaware. we will have nbc's pete williams sort it out in a moment. first, on the opposite side of the country, calmer winds are helping the fight against that massive wildfire in washington state. we are seeing incredible pictures of the so-called charlton complex fire. the largest in that state's
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history. already burned out an area four times bigger than the city of seattle, knocked out utilities, water, power for several towns and left nearly 200 homes destroyed. now the breaking news, the faa taking the dramatic step of banning all flights to and from tel aviv over safety concerns. joining me is nbc's tom costello, the expert on all things aviation and joining us captain tom bunn. tom costello, this all started with delta plane, flight number 468 enroute to tel aviv diverted to paris over safety concerns. what happened there? >> what happened is a rocket landed within a mile or so of the perimeter of israel's ben gurion and they needed to divert the flight out of abundance of caution. they moved it to charles de gaulle airport in paris and
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total of 290 passengers and crew on that flight and rerouted and accommodated. that then began this chain of events by which we had u.s. airways which's now, of course, part of american airlines and united airlines announcing suspending flights into tel aviv and formally the faa issued a notice to airmen which was sent out at 12:15 eastern time essentially prohibiting carriers flying in and out of ben gurion airport ascertaining the situation there. 24 hours, all flights, all u.s. carriers into and out of ben gurion airport must not approach or depart from the airport because of the risk as you mentioned of the attack nearby. this does not apply to -- we need to hasten to add. does not apply to foreign carriers to choose to fly into tel aviv and heard from several including we understand british
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airways and others who have said we are going to continue to fly into tel aviv for now. that could change, of course, when you have major airlines, some of the biggest of the world, deciding to suspend flights, that macon vince others to do the same. especially in the wake of the shoot down of malaysia flight 17 over ukraine. >> hang there for a moment. captain, how typical is this kind of an faa guidance. >> this is something i haven't heard of happening before. i agree with him. i think this is a reaction to the downing of malaysia flight 17 where airlines did not react properly. once that missile which shot -- shot down a military ukrainian military flight on monday, air traffic through there should have stopped. that was a game changer. that meant that the sa-11 used in the area and until they could be sure it was used by trained
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people, airlines should have shut down. they didn't. >> do you see this as a response potentially to the downing of flight 17? >> yeah, well, the airlines -- sometimes are act responsibly and this case i think they're under suppression and to be very sure to be operating responsibly. >> tom, do you agree with this assessment? >> yeah, listen. i think malaysia airlines finds itself in a difficult position here, potentially liable because u.s. carriers and some european carriers deciding to avoid ukraine air space subsequent to the fighting in crimea and the shoot down of that ukrainian military transport plane. that transport plane was shot down at about 21,000 feet altitude. the ukrainians issued a no-fly zone up to 32,000 feet. malaysia flight 17 at 33,000 feet. to give you perspective, that sa-11 can fly all the way, that missile can go to 72,000 feet.
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that is more than double the altitude at which malaysia 17 was flying at. that tells you -- by the way, that's far above any altitude that a commercial flight can head to or can reach. that tells you, therefore, that the equipment on the ground is lethal and that whoever was operating that piece of equipment presuming they did not intentionally mean to shoot down that specific flight, they could not distinguish a military target and civilian target and because of that, you now see airlines around the world not only avoided the ukrainian air space but an urgent discussion of industry, between government, between the airlines and the international civil aviation boards to determine whether there needs to be a new set of parameters to determine when we fly and do not fly into potential hot till air space. this point is critical. there is no international body setting no-fly zones.
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that is done by home kunls, in other words in the united states it's done by the faa. in ukraine, done by ukraine. and by airlines and their home countries. so malaysia airlines and ma lay shea. they could have decided not to fly over ukrainian air space. >> there are airlines that continue to fly. british airways. why is that, captain bunn? >> you are talking about israel. let's make it clear. talking about israel. i was talking about what happened over ukraine. but into israel this morning, that's correct. you have foreign care yerls flying into tel aviv. >> captain bunn, do you question the decision of care yerls to maintain the presence in the air space? >> he was talking about ukraine, absolutely. what i want to point out, getting the paperwork for the flight, it is provided by a dispatcher who certifies that the route is checked and that he or she knows that it's safe to conduct the flight along that route.
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and the pilot then has to say, okay, as far as i can tell, that's true. any dispatcher, any pilot can pull the plug saying, look, i read the news on monday and a plane was shot down by a missile to go to 70,000 feet. you want me to fly over there? i don't know who's manning the missiles. they should have shut that done. >> tom costello, for people about to travel and want the know that their plane isn't going over a war stone air space, is there any way to determine the route? >> very difficult. you can get on websites like fly to where, for example, multiple websites out there to show you where the specific flight, a flight number, the path is today and over the last couple of days but that doesn't mean that that flight's going to take that path today. for example, the return flight, kuala lumpur back up to amsterdam flying over, guess it, over syria returning to amsterdam. syria is another war zone. >> we read that story and all struck by it. it's something that none of us want to hear about the flights.
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>> and as the captain made the point, you can have dispatchers and pilot decide to change or deviate from that original flight path any point along the path because of weather, because of any threat they can deviate. you may think you're flying over safe territory but you don't know that for sure. you have to leave it up to the airlines and the governments to assure you are traveling over safe territory. >> maybe time to provide more information about this. tom costello, tom bunn, appreciate it. up next, two opposite rulings creating confusion on oba obamacare this morning. if the courts can't figure this out, how can the rest of us? [ female announcer ] there's a gap out there. that's keeping you from the healthcare you deserve. at humana, we believe if healthcare changes, if it becomes simpler... if frustration and paperwork decrease...
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d.c. circuit court of appeals just ruled in a case that could be far more devast e devastating to obamacare than the hobby lobby ruling. it's a case that has the issue whether the federal obamacare exchange, not just state-run ones, offer tax credits to low income americans who sign up and since so many states opted to use that federal system, this could make obamacare unaffordable for a huge swath of america. that could be a setback but another court just upheld those same federal subsidies so when's next for this? we're joined by pete williams and abby gluck. pete? >> it's fortunate note that there have been two rulings today that go in completely opposite directions and reached opposite conclusions on this issue. here's the issue. as you say, the states can offer these exchanges and in the state
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exchanges the law clearly says that people can get subsidies to buy health care and come in form of tax credits and the irs's domain. >> essential to allow millions of americans to afford obamacare. >> right. probably roughly about 5 million, in fact. so the question is, do those same tax subsidies apply in the federal exchanges which is in the majority of states, 14 states have their own exchanges. the d.c. court of appeals said, no, the 4th circuit court of appeals said, yes. they agree it's a mess and hard to read and ambiguous about the issue. the d.c. circuit said they answered no that the statute does not clearly say that the federal exchanges offer the subsidy. the 4th circuit court of appeals in richmond said it is a mess, ambiguo ambiguous, seem to be other parts of the statute where congress wants to go the other direction so we're relying on a
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longstanding rule of federal statutory interpretation in the court to defer to the agency of the exper tier's that's the irs and then applies. what happens now? well, the obama administration has already said to appeal to the full d.c. circuit court the way it works in federal courts, go to a three-judge panel, goes to the full d.c. circuit and we don't know what the other side will do. it's not clear that this will end up in the u.s. supreme court. seems pretty likely whoever loses will appeal. we don't know whether the supreme court will take the case and important to note as of today nothing changes. the subsidies are still in place. the d.c. circuit court that said you can't get it in the federal system put a one-week hold on the effective of the own ruling and already the government is going to ask for a stay while it appeals. >> professor, what do you think? will it go to the supreme court? >> no. i think it depends on what happens in the cases going to the full circuit and each state. the supreme court generally
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doesn't take cases where they disagree. if the full d.c. circuit and full 4th circuit agree on the outcome it is unlikely to make it to the supreme court. i don't think the supreme court wants another one of these kaiss. however, if the courts disagree, we are likely to see it go up because it's a very important case. >> professor, this is a 2-1 decision. what was the main area of disagreement amongst the judges? >> main area is whether the statute is clear and basically how to read the statute in context. judge harry said if you read it as a whole it is clear it's on state and federal exchanges alike and -- >> it seems that the lawmakers, everyone did intend that? >> yeah. >> just not in the letter of the law which is the legal problem. >> well, yes. in my view i think the intention of congress is pretty clear. however, i think that the statute has plenty of textual
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support for the government's position to indicate the subsidies at the same time but the particular provision challenged in the case was ambiguous. and in my view the 4th circuit got it right. defer to the agency. the opinion is a -- the opinion is an overly worded textual opinion that reads it out of the entire context. >> pete, which of these decisions do you think will prevail? >> i haven't the slightest idea. and, you know, if you read the majority opinions, in each they're fairly persuasive. obviously the people that think obamacare was written one way, you know, they cling to their own rulings. the question is, what will the full appeals courts do? and i think the professor gluck is right. if we end up in the full appeals court and agree, that ends the matter. i can't imagine the supreme court wants to take the case. if they reach opposite conclusions, that's the most
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likely result. it's well to remember that while the -- it looks like the partisan makeup of these courts may have had something to do with the rulings today, remember, it was the u.s. supreme court led by chief justice john roberts that es cued obamacare the first time around. >> pete, abbe, appreciate it. up next, as the violence continues to rage in gaza, another ceasefire plan offered up by hamas's rivals, of course. we're live coming up shortly from gaza. [ woman ] i've always tried to see things from the best angle i could.
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not laughing. the public safety of the city is paramount importance, particularly the landmarks and bridges known to be high risk targets. what exactly does it mean? we have the pictures so far. the nypd is investigating. and breaking news right now, an update of the story throughout the show. l luftansa has suspended flights. up next, we go deep into the conflict, a different front in the fighting of gaza and israel. the unusual method, you see one there, that israel is using to get the message out. (son) oh no... can you fix it, dad?
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gaza, no place to hide for civilians. officials in gaza say at least 606 palestinians have been killed so far. joining us with the very latest from the ground, foreign correspondent ayman mohyeldin. glad you're there and safe. palestinian leadership have this new ceasefire plan. what are the details? >> reporter: well, the ceasefire plan that they would like to see implemented is a secession of hallhostilities pressing for a more permanent truce. in exchange for what some say is a ten-year truce, the demands of the bar is set really high. among the issues that hamas wants is core of the demands is a lifting of the siege that's been in place on gaza for better part of last seven years and crippled every aspect of life.
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prevented people from moving and has really destroyed a lot of the fabric of life here economically speaking a. lot of blame they put on israel. some of it is also shared on the egyptian sharing a border between gaza and egypt. the palestinian initiative the try and bring a truce in place would also require that palestinian factions to effectively disarm themselves and stop firing rockets and attacks into southern israel or elsewhere in the country. it is a wide gap unlikely to be narrowed in the five-day windows trying to propose. so it doesn't look like it has a lot of traction right now. >> meantime, hamas continuing to fire rockets into israel. at this point, more than 2,060 according to the israeli side. what have residents in gaza told you about israel's claim that they're using the civilians as human shields? >> reporter: well, we had a chance to speak with some palestinians today. in fact, one severely wounded in
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an israeli air strike, his wife and two children were killed as a result of that air strike. an issue he put to me saying that it's not fair to expect an entire population of 1.7 million people to be held accountable for the actions of palestinian factions engaged in this fight. in addition to that, he says impossible to know where hamas fighters are all across the city at any given point. he was at his sister's house when the israeli shell killed his family. in addition to that, though, we do know that the united nations now announced it's found or discovered a second u.n. school that had a cache of palestinian rockets. very much alarmed by that and calling for a full investigation to find out why these rockets were put in the school. >> good to hear from you and glad you're safe there. here's a surprising new facet of the conflict. it's gone digital. israel is using social media to spread the message effectively and some call it propaganda. here's a tweet of yesterday
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describing weapons hidden in residential neighborhoods. look at the bottom left, promoted by pm of israel. here's another one from last tuesday hamas rejecting the ceasefire deal and again promoted by pm of israel. we reached out to the israeli government for comment and haven't heard back. they may be a little busy. this is just one development in a new digital front in modern warfare. joining us is aaron miller and latest book is "end of greatness" and hayes brown with us. he's been following these promoted tweets. thank you both for being here. hayes -- >> pleasure. >> the promoted twooeets of tim lines of those that don't follow netanyahu. how are they being received online? >> i think basically a new version of a full-page op-ed in "the new york times." they're trying to get the message out as clear as
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undiluted to many people as possible and some think of it as propaganda. israel paying for the tweets to be seen by a wider audience and nothing in twitter rules saying you can't do this. if israel's willing to pay the money to get the message out like this, there's nothing inherently wrong about it. it has a weird vibe about it to spend money to get this sort of point across they're being justified in gaza. >> that seems to be reaction. aaron, you are not so sure these are effective and maybe not so sure this is a story. why is that? >> look. i'm old, right? i'm not sure i appreciate much of the impact of social media and probably not entirely true. i mean, look. social media plays an extraordinary role in the so-called arab spring. isis. islamic state in syria. and iraq. now, the islamic state has mastered and perfected the use of social media.
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barack obama, just written a book on presidents, great presidents, why we can't have another one. barack obama holds a twitter conference, first ever in the history of the presidency. i mean, everybody's doing this. i think the broader point, though, is this. there are two wars going on here. there is the war on the ground which is a question of military tactics and strategy. successes and failures. and then there's what i call the other war. that's the war for the hearts and minds. the political war. the war of image. and that war's extremely important because as important as what happens on the ground, the image and the impression that is left in the public's minds, israeli public, palestinian public, europe, the united states, much of the world as to who won that other war is going to be extremely important. >> aaron, i take your point about twitter being widespread use. of course that's the case.
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but what's new about this story is promoted tweets which are bought. they offer targeted reception by gender, language device, interests and who do you think israel is tar getting here? >> i think they're targeting israelis so that the israeli people see what the idf is doing and why they're doing what they're doing and americans especially those interested in foreign policy i think so that they get their story across. israel feels attacked in the news and feels like the media is not doing enough to show their side of the story. both sides feel this way and that's a tactic of israel to make sure that their views are heard around the world. >> aaron, they have also been using visual mediums on youtube today. a new video of 20 seconds long saying it shows suspected militants with an ambulance to travel within gaza and so much of the criticism of the
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targeting of civilians, central to the argument at this point. is that something to sway people, do you think? >> no. i mean, i think that the israelis in previous confrontations and '08 and '09 they lost what i describe to you as the other war. and i think by and large there's very little willingness in most of the world, europeans and the arab world to give the israelis the benefit of the doubt. probably part of it is driven by the nature of the casualties. when you have 500-plus palestinian dead, thousands wounded and thousands more displaced, and you have 27 israeli soldiers killed and 2 civilians, that frames the issue in a way that most people it seems to me aren't prepared to look at what the israelis are doing as proportionate. i'm not sure that these campaigns are fundamentally going to work. what will in the end determine
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how the perception is cast is how this conflict ends and in many respects how the framing of it is going to end. maybe these promoted tweets will help to shape that. >> hayes, as we part ways on this, thumbs up or down to israel's savviness? >> doing the best they could. i'm curious whether twitter accepts from hamas's political or militant wing promoted tweets to have the hebrew language tweets putting out to win hearts and minds. >> dodging the question -- >> i'll go with thumbs down. i don't know if it works. >> we'll keep track of that. thank you. >> awash, awash. >> all right. outrage is growing in the case of takedown caught on disturbing videotaping. we have details on the case that you have been watching up ahead.
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don't touch me. [ bleep ]. don't touch me. [ bleep ]. >> oh! >> damn, man. >> stop, stop, stop. put your hands -- >> put your hands behind your back. >> i can't breathe. i can't breathe. i can't breathe. >> the man in that video eric garner died. his funeral scheduled for tomorrow. police appeared to have a choke hold on him and a practice banned by the nypd. an officer alleged to have done so is stripped of badge and gun but the chokehold isn't mentioned in this report obtained by the new york daily news and says garner wasn't in great distress. says crying out i can't breathe at least eight times seem distress to you?
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joining me is president of the global grind and political director for russell simmons and lisa bloom, legal analyst for nbc news and author. lisa, was this use of force excessive? >> absolutely. we've got it right there on the videotape. i mean, think about it. eric garner accused of illegally single cigarettes. not anything that's a threat to anyone. physically. when you see the officers approach him, he has some verbal engagement with them. he puts his hands up and not akousing anyone or hitting anyone and take him down clearly in a choke hold and yelling out i can't breathe, clearly a sign of distress. if the review commission does not see that, we need new home independent unbiassed people reviewing this incident. >> we asked the nypd. another issue is officer in question apparently he's been sued several times over allegedly unlawful, racial
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motivated behavior. >> before jumping to that conclusion, we have investigation and the leadership of the mayor who i support greatly and encouraged by the response to the horrible, horrible tragedy. watching that video and that man saying i can't breathe, put your hands behind your back, he is dying in front of you, we see the history of the nypd, where black men are deemed suspicious when they are not. this before you saw that videotape, this is engaging in a conversation with the officers saying leave me alone. i did nothing. broke up a fight and then antagonized him to the point they killed him. >> lisa, from a legal standpoint, he was selling loose, untaxed cigarettes and arrested 31 times since 1988 on a variety of charges. does that change the justification for use of force here? >> no. use of force is proportionate to the threat. this man as we can see clearly in the video is not threatening
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anyone. is not assaulting anyone. is not trying to flee. he is verbally engaging with the police and putting his hands up and justiculating. we can respond verbally to the police. >> it is frightening and watching this footage is it seems that the -- arrive aren't making an effort to resuscitate him. several responded to the call suspended. could they face charges, as well? >> absolutely. they have a lot to explain there. why did nobody render cpr to eric garner? he was there not breathing. critical moments when his life could have been saved perhaps. all of the police officers are trained in cpr. why didn't they attempt to revive him? >> it's something that occurs to everybody watching this. why not intervene more? the other element is here not just with the racial profiling,
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was there neighborhood profiling? rough neighborhood in staten island apparently 100 arrests, 100 summons and 650 911 calls in this particular neighborhood. would the same situation have played out in the same way had it been in a block with the different reputation? >> there's a veg ill for eric and his family that reverend sharpton are putting on and looking at the communities that have history 10, 20, 20-plus years of a really bad relationship with the police. the police knew the gentlemen. the conversation with him, they talked to him about cigarettes in the past. they knew who he was. they knew he was not a threat. and the reason why they said they choked him or restrained him is not obeying commands and killed this guy. so that's a reason to take down a man. didn't arrest him. not arresting him for a crime. didn't commit a crime. he wasn't obeying instructions. that will cause a rift between any community in the city and the nypd. >> it is a really unsetting
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back to breaking new that is we are following all this hour. major airlines from delta to united the u.s. airways halted flights to tel aviv and there's activity at the airport of sirens and evacuation. i'm joined by skype of a man who's there right now at the scene. i understand you were evacuated to a bunker earlier. can you describe what happened? >> so i was in the airport and we heard a siren coming from outside. everyone there in the airport told to quickly evacuate to a shelter and we were just locked in there for a couple of
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minutes. until the coast was clear. >> and i understand there's a sign behind you. can you show us what that sign says? >> yeah. if you can see -- it says -- the shelter time. there's signs all over the airport that show you where the shelters are in the airport. >> for those that didn't make it out, a sign that says shelter. have you ever been through something like this before? >> no. i've never been in a war torn area like this. global conflict, no. >> have you been told in any clear sense when's happening on the ground there to that triggered the evacuation and the sirens? >> i just heard from other news agencies there was a rocket fired by gaza that landed near the airport. that's all i really know. >> all right. we hope you stay safe there. we appreciate you coming to us
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live there. at the airport in tel aviv. >> thank you. now, remember the georgia father who was charged with murder for leaving his 22-month-old son in a scorching suv? this's the story we have been bringing you all week and now his brother, a veteran cop, coming out and slamming investigators. the subject of our call to action this week. he recently told the atlanta journal-constitution that probable cause hearing was nothing but a character assassination. it was slinging mud at ross. he said, the stuff that's been insinuated isn't true. meanwhile, videos of people leaving themselves in hot cars have gone viral online in an effort to prevent more children from being left behind. >> as you can see, man, i'm sweating like -- i can barely breathe out here. my system is -- the little kids. just, man. this is sad, man. >> joining me now is reggie mckinnon, a father who
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accidentally left his late 17-month-old daughter in a car in 2010. and we're joined again by lisa bloom, legal analyst at nbc news. reggie, first of all, your loss. can you tell us about the moment that you realized that you had left your daughter peyton in the car? >> yes, thank you, ronan. i mean, i returned from an appointment with my daughter peyton. the day care was just a block away from my work location. and inadvertently, i made that left too soon and returned to work, in my mind thinking my daughter was at day care. returned to work and when i left a few hours later at the end of my day, i went to put my laptop in the backseat of my suv, and that when i found peyton still in her car seat. >> what was going through your mind at that moment?
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>> it's not something you can really describe. it's the worst feeling in the world. i don't wish for anybody to have to go through something like that. >> again, we're really, really sorry for your loss. it's something that's really hit everyone here on the team where they live. so many parents can relate to this. lisa, what can happen legally to a parent if they're in this situation? >> well, certainly there are negligence crimes that are homicides. in other words, if you are grossly negligent, if you should have known that your child was in the car and you leave the child in the car, you can be guilty of a homicide. of course, in the case of the hot car dad, justin ross that, we've been talking about, justin ross harris, he's alleged to have done it intentionally, which is a completely different act. i think the solution here is technology which can indicate if there's a child sleeping in the car or in the car if the temperature gets over a certain point, it buzzes, it beeps, it
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alerts everyone in the area. >> and that is something there's a petition pending on whitehouse.gov about. but reggie, in your case, i understand you made a plea deal. you did undergo probation. you went through community service instead. you've also made a promise after all of that to peyton. what is that promise? >> promise i made to peyton is, you know, just to try and educate parents and caregivers about these heatstroke deaths related to vehicles. you know, just to help people understand that if you think it can't happen to you, you're wrong, because it happened to me, a father, a very loving family. we had everything. two working parents with kids. nothing out of the norm.
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but it can happen. it continues to. and i'm just trying to make sure that people try to keep that in the forefronts of their minds. >> thank you for that, reggie. it's devastating to hear. lisa, 19 states have laws that address leaving children in cars explicitly, but they all deal with it differently. in florida there's a 15-minute limit on leaving a child alone. in tennessee and nevada, it's a crime to leave the child alone under seven if the engine is running. does there need to be clearer federal legislation here? >> i think it would certainly help. there's dozens of sad stories like reggie's every year. we're all human. we are capable of making horrific mistakes. i take my hat off to reggie, by the way, for being brave enough to come on television and talk about this in the hopes of saving other lives. so i think laws can certainly help, but education and technology are going to be the answer here. >> reggie, is there anything else you'd say to other parents out there? >> you know, there's a lot of
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information out there on heatstroke. i just hope that people would take the time to look into it so that they can be educated for themselves. you know, create those reminders when you do have children. that will definitely help these cases. you know, they do continue to happen, but anyone that we request sacan save is important. >> lisa bloom, as always, thank you. reggie, we appreciate you having the bravery to tell your story on this. thank you. >> thank you for your time. >> and remember there is a way you can get involved. you can join the kids in cars whitehouse.gov petition we mentioned aimed at preventing hot car deaths. they want the government to provide funding and research to prevent children from dying in hot cars. go to our website and add your signature to that petition. they need 100,000 for the white house to respond. let's help them get there. that wraps things up.
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thank you for joining me. it's now time for "the reid report." joy reid. >> thank you very much, ronan. really appreciate it. great show. coming up next on "the reid report," a federal appeals court deals a potentially serious blow to the affordable care act. pro-russian separatists make significant concessions as the european union finally decides how to deal with vladimir putin. and the faa orders a suspension of all u.s. flights to israel due to worries about missile attacks. "the reid report" is next. vo: this is the summer.
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the airport in tel aviv. and the fighting continues in gaza. and ukraine, where we've got breaking developments in the investigation of the downed malaysia air flight. but we start with breaking news that could spell a new supreme court showdown for obamacare. just a short time ago, a three-judge panel on two different federal appeals courts reached the exact opposite conclusion on a key element of the president's health care law, specifically the part that makes the affordable care act actually affordable for the 36 states whose exchanges are run by the federal government. nbc's pete williams joins us now live from washington, d.c. so pete, thanks for being here. please explain these two rulings and what they mean for the people in those 36 states. >> it's not often we get contradictory rulings from federal appeals courts. it is unusual to get them within a few hours of each other on such a big issue. so here's the question. it's clear that if you buy your health insurance in one of the 14 states that has a state exchange, you qualify for a
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federal subsidy to help you afford the insurance. it comes in the form of a tax credit. that's run by the irs. in the other 36 states, you have to buy your insurance through the federal exchange, better known as healthcare.gov. the question is, does the affordable care act, the obamacare law, allow that subsidy for the federal exchanges? now, both the courts today agree on one thing. the law isn't at all clear on this. the law is crystal clear, the court said, that you qualify for it in the state exchange. it's ambiguous in the federal exchanges. president d.c. court of appeals here in washington said unless it's clear in the law, you can't have it in the federal exchanges. the fourth circuit court of appeals in richmond ruling in an entirely separate case said, it's a close call, we defer to the irs. if that's what the irs says the law is, that's good enough for us. so what changes for now? nothing. the federal court that struck down the ruling put its o
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