president abbas and others in the region in order to achieve it. and i can tell you that we have in the last 24 hours made some progress in moving towards that goal. >> some progress. returning home in the netherlands. a sad homecoming as the first plane arrives with the remains from mh-17. ♪ even as the investigation continues into who took down the passenger jet over rebel-held territory in eastern ukraine, today, smoke, flames, and charred wreckage littered the landscape once again with reports that two ukrainian fighter jets were shot down by pro-russian separatists. we don't yet know whom. plus, police hunt for whoever climbed the bridge. the brooklyn bridge to take down the stars and stripes and replace it with a white frlag o

surrender. good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell here in new york today. secretary of john kerry in the middle east meeting with leaders on both sides trying to push for a cease-fire between israel and hamas. after meeting with president mahmoud abbas in the west bank, kerry said that progress has been made. >> the people in palestinian territories, the people in israel are all living under the threat or reality of immediate violence. and this needs to end for everybody. we need to find a way forward that works. and it's not violence but today

violence is concentrated east of gaza city in a poor district but palestinian ambulances can't get to the many wounded and dead there. and between emergency calls, they checked the supplies. he says he can't go where he's needed most. we get calls that there are injured there and bleeding to death, he says, but we can't go in. last time he did manage to get in, this is what he found. first, a face like a corpse. then she moved and breathed. 24-year-old had been buried under the debris of her home for two days before the team rescued her. a doctor tells us all of her family was killed. they don't expect asman to survive.

>> joining me with the latest from both sides, nbc's martin fletcher and from gaza, ayman mohyeldin. the toll on israel, 29 soldiers killed, three civilians killed so far. in gaza, obviously disproportionate because of the density of the population. 666 deaths, many of them children. 35 people killed today. 4200 total wounded. ayman, first to you, the pressure, the death toll, we've seen it in your reporting and richard engel's reporting. is there increasing pressure on the leaders of hamas or is there instead growing anger against israel? >> reporter: well, andrea, to update you on the case that we just heard in richard's report, that woman found under the rubble sadly passed away today

despite the fact that she had been discovered and taken to the hospital. she did not make it through the night. and that certainly adds more to the grief that most palestinians here are dealing with. i've spoken to so many people. there isn't one person in gaza that i have spoken to that has not had a loved one either injured, displaced or killed because of this ongoing conflict. what that does is anger the palestinians towards israel and for the international community which they say is a neglect on their part to intervene and try to save their lives. we've asked every person we have talked to on the streets and ask if they blame hamas. they say no. they see hamas as a group of resistant fighters trying to stop the onslaught for years. despite the fact that we've

posed that question to most people we've spoken to on the ground here, andrea. >> and understandably, these are the people under fire. martin fletcher, you've seen so many questions in the palestinian disputes. publicly supportive, though we're hearing even from the phone call that president obama made to netanyahu on sunday already saying that the death toll is just too crushing and that israel, having supported the cease-fire before, has to come up with a solution and has to be much more tactical in the way that they respond. let's also revisit the situation, though, at the airport. the flights were canceled, lufthansa canceled all flights to and from israel. we know that john kerry was called in by netanyahu yesterday protesting vigorously against the faa decision.

in support today, el al, michael bloomberg flew on the israeli airline to show solidarity with israel's people. are you hearing anything different from israel's officials as the world pressure increases on israel? >> just to speak on the narrow subject of the airline ban, there is outrage in the israeli government on that. they say it's rewarding terror and they want that ban turned over as quickly as possible and they are waiting to see how the faa responds within the next hours, though, because the ban by the faa creates a domino effect among european airlines and now if the faa overturns that decision, israel will follow. i have to say, you referred to my time here. i think that the speed of the

killing in gaza among the palestinians is pretty much quicker than any of the past. a number of dead and wounded is happening so quickly. the attack is so intense. but one has to say that israel, when they claim that the reason so many civilians are dying is that hamas is located almost all of their military infrastructure in that area, even though you can say, yes, it's a very densely populated area. nevertheless, that's where the enemy is and there's no other way to get at them except to warn the people to leave and then to attack those -- that infrastructure. as ayman just described, he didn't find anyone that has bad words about hamas. it's the same in israel but to a lessor extent. the left wing is against it but for the most part, israelis believe this now is the time

they have to hit hamas. yes, there have been very few casualties among israel but that's not true for want of hamas who fired rockets specifically at israeli populations. that's been their goal. they have been unsuccessful because israel has been able to defend themselves. if hamas had their way, they would have killed as many israelis as they could. they say don't blame us for defending ourselves. but the people are increasingly behind the government saying this is the time to take out hamas and do what it takes. it's going to be tough, hard and it's much harder on the palestinians than it is on israel. a little sign that israel or hamas is in the mood to stop fighting, even though all attention is focused on john kerry and the secretary general of the united nations trying to get some -- trying to bring the two sides closer together and there's no sense that there is progress even though the secretary of state says that

they are making progress but there's a long way to go. there is a very long way to go and a lot more time for the fighting. >> and we're just seeing kerry meet with netanyahu. that's going to be a very complicated conversation because the palestinians, the palestinian authority mahmoud abbas was more or less supportive of the u.s. position, they went to cairo, other arab leaders as well. also, just one quick final note, also in jerusalem today, 30,000 people, none of them relatives, 30,000 israelis turned out to show solidarity for max steinberg, the young american who was fighting for the israeli defense as part of the israeli army. he was one of two american victims. 30,000 people turned out and kerry paid a private visit to his parents as well who had

flown over to the united states for the funeral today. meanwhile, mourning, also -- and ayman, thank you and martin fletcher for all of your reporting and to richard engel. mourning in the netherlands as two planes arrived at a dutch military base carrying the remains of some of the passengers from mh-17. mourners including the dutch prime minister, king and queen of the netherlands noting a moment of silence. they were being transported to a facility where they will be identified and returned to their families. this comes as ukraine reported that two of its fighter jets were shot down today near the border with justice. potentially the fourth military plane downed in only the last two weeks. joining me now is nbc's katy tur from the netherlands and keir simmons from ukraine by phone and with me is a professor at the new school and senior fellow at the new world policy

institute where she directs the russia project. first to you, katy, this horrible scene today. a number of dutch people who were killed, proportionately the number of same americans killed during 9/11. >> reporter: the tragedy is on a similar scale. it's odd to compare them that way but it's a very, very small country and 200-plus dead for them is quite a few. we've seen the first bodies come. obviously there's still quite a few more that have not arrived that will arrive in the coming days. even more still that have not been located among that wreckage or in that debris field. but we did see 40 bodies today and there was a moment of silence. each of those 40 bodies getting its own coffin, its own hearse, restoring the dignity to those that lost their lives, dignity that they were not offered when they were left to rot in a field

in ukraine while there was political infighting going on. that is really what was so astoundingly harsh to a lot of the family members that i spoke with. yes, this is a horrible situation. yes, the plane got shot out of the sky. their loved ones are gone. to add insult to injury, to leave them there while there is fighting going on is too much for a lot of these loved ones to bear. and there's about 1,000 of them here today to pay their respects. some of them you can see behind me are just taking a look at the plane right now getting their mind of things. if you think about it, 40 bodies were taken off these two planes today and over 1,000 family members. the majority of the family members here did not have their loved ones on that plane. none have been identified yet. so far, only 40 bodies. they are going to be taken to a facility in the netherlands a few hours from here where the process of identification is going to begin. that could take days, weeks, it could take months depending on the condition of the body.

they have asked relatives to help them identify with any marks like tattoos or birth marks or photos so they can identify things like jaw line. they want to make this as speedy as possible so they can deliver these victims back to their families so that they can begin the process of closure. they can have funerals for their loved ones. if the identification process yields a nondutch victim, then those family members will be repr repat tree ated to the countries that they came from. it will take some time and the grieving level is ongoing and to put it in perspective for this country, they haven't declared many national days of mourning. the last one they had was in the '60s. andrea? >> katy, as you've been speaking, we've been seeing these heartbreaking pictures of the hearses, the procession going through the courtside there in the netherlands and people gathered on every

overpass silently paying their respect and, of course, our own keir simmons in ukraine, you saw the killing fields. you walked through and saw how the debris was simply being contaminated. it was described that drunken soldiers had actually walked through the wreckage, the remnants, and you yourself witnessed the fact that the cockpit had been hacksawed. keir? >> reporter: that's right. and there was little respect, frankly, for the victims of this crash. it was a terrible scene anyway at the beginning and it just got worse as these victims were treated so badly, left on the side of the road at times and finally taken away to a rail

carriage of the last century and that's the best to get the bodies away from this region. andrea, the news now that we today have had an attack on a plane here, a ukrainian plane and one shot down and what is extraordinary, 16 kilometers, about ten miles away from the mh-17 crash site. so it appears that it's is sophisticated missile and it could be that they were downed trying to find a target but tough wonder about the fighter jets in the same area as mh-17 went down. >> keir simmons, thank you so

much. that is the question for nina, who is, of course, an expert on russian policy and comes from a prominent russian family. in your study of vladimir putin, what is the psychology of him going out saying that we should now start talking about peace and this was started by the ukrainians in kiev and then two more planes shot down, they must have been shot down by either presumably russian-backed separatists. he has yet to come out publicly and call back the supporters in eastern ukraine the wild fires as i said earlier that he incited. >> he has very little control over there. >> is that credible? >> it is not. i think you understand it very well and people are getting to understand it, the thing about

putin is he says whatever he needs to say. it just doesn't come back what he says. i'm not in control of it. incidentally, it's a foreign country and thereforei'm not in control of it. it contradicts reality and the idea of an independent place and donetsk republic being formed is that he's the one trying to take it away from a foreign country. so credible or not, it don't matter. he creates or all of his people create conspiracy theory. ukrainian forces shot it down. and they should get outraged and turn really, really particularly economic heat on him so maybe that will get the message.

>> of course, the financial times' front page is that the european rift tough action and we'll see tomorrow is their final vote. you were suggesting last night to my colleague rachel maddow some of the crazy conspiracy theories that have been prom gated by the kremlin. >> some of them, cia shot the plane and then the plane was boarded with all of the corpses in amsterdam so russia would get set up. ukrainians were targeted vladimir putin who was flying over that territory and they by mistake shot that. you know, i can go on like that and one and at the same time, when you drown in this propaganda, that russian ares now after -- i don't know how many years, almost two decades of vladimir putin has learned to distress the west so they kind of caught in between of that

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rejects to. >> the israel has not been happy with the united states and the faa for putting this initial ban in place at 12:15 for 24 hours and now the faa is telling nbc news that they are extending the ban from flights from the u.s. into tel aviv. this pertains to u.s. flights. yesterday we saw quite a few international carriers out of europe join that decision and they also said they would not be flying into israel for that period of 24 hours. we might see them join the u.s. carriers again in determining that they will not be flying into tel aviv. yesterday we had delta, of course, as well as american and it includes u.s. airways and united, all who have flights into tel aviv announcing that they would, of course, be abiding by the faa decision and now this extends it another 24

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this may even and i visited that base with fidel castro. take a look. >> reporter: the secret spy station that targeted america until this past august. when the russians left, they stopped paying the rent: does this symbolize the biggest change? >> translator: it's a symbol of great change in russia. >> david remnick is an editor at "the new yorker." that says it all. >> was just there. putin is doing something alarming and arm lai aloorming ideologically. this is not just about ukraine. it's all about an emerging,

conservative ideology, in russian terms, not american terms. they believe in a great big state, not a small state. and ukraine is part of this drama which got a lot hotter today, of course. we have to recognize that putin today is not putin in 2000. putin in 2000 and through 2008 was somebody who was consolidating the state, ending chaos in russia as he saw it doing things we didn't like then even. but above all, building an economy and a middle class. now the economy is flat, at best, and to pay for it over, in order to find a source of legitimacy, he has asserted himself as this great russian and in a sense not an imperialist but someone that is swaggering on the stage not just as a world actor. >> we saw him posing with brazil and china saying that they are going to have a new development bank just for them. >> look, some of this is -- he's

also a world leader and they shake hands and you can't always be responsible for who you shake hands with. but -- and i'm not sure that the whole brick drama turned out to be the success that rick wanted it to be maybe a decade ago. but russia and particularly vladimir putin, one actor, a singular actor, this is not the collective leadership. this is him. he's asserting an ideology that has a myriad of ramifications. >> and the propaganda is so pervasive. there's no pushback. we were talking to nina krushcheva earlier. he suggested reopening that old kgb assassination case from a decade ago. let's watch. >> the british government announced a reversal of that decision about looking into the assassination and who did it and

who ordered it. the home secretary in britain announced that in fact there will be a new public inquiry into that killing on british soil, the one in which the murdered anti-kgb whistle blower said that the man who ordered his death was vladimir putin. the world feels like it is turning on a slightly different axis when it comes to russia right now. >> interesting. you don't know, but interesting. well, any number of cases can be reopened, having to do with murder journalists, any number of things. this is just one fragment, one piece in a larger picture of what i hope -- what i hope is not going to become a cold war 2.0. we should remember when the rhetoric comes from john mccain or lindsey graham that this is a new cold war, we should remember what the new cold war was with proxy wars all over the globe that went on for half a century. we hope that this is an ugly

chapter in a drama, a post-soviet drama that will ratchet down. it's up to vladimir putin. you mentioned the media. i think it's hard for an american to imagine what an all-embracing ramification this is. >> it's the big lie. >> imagine a certain kind of president appointing glenn beck to every -- every network and every television channel that anybody possibly would watch and putting out, including a paranoia propaganda line that is repeated every night. if you were to watch russian television tonight, the main television tagss, you would hearing that the ukrainians, in conjunction with the united states, is responsible, quite possibly, for shooting down that airliner. you would be hearing all kinds of things that you and i consider crazy. this is the mental universe that is being created by an

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summer vacation spots. >> ukrainian officials confirm that two of their fighter jets were shot down this morning. separatist leaders are i am ccl responsibility. >> 40 bodies are on these planes and they are in their separate caskets and hearses and they are giving back the dignity they didn't have on that plane. first, a face like a corpse, then she moved and breathed. 24-year-old asma had been buried under the debris of her home for two days. 1:00 p.m. on the east coast and 10:00 a.m. on the west. here's everything that you need to know right now. the faa extended a ban on flights to tel aviv. this happened minutes ago. it's now in effect for another 24 hours. several major airlines decided

to extend their suspensions. lufthansa is also keeping their flights away from tel aviv. >> we have established no fly zones and we're not flying to israel and will not allow a flight to be dispatched over iran, iraq, syria, ukraine, afghanistan, or north korea. >> cancel that pyongyang vacation. john kerry is trying to help with the results that led to the travel bans. of course, he's attempting to broker a cease-fire. he's been there 12 times within the past year with that aim. more breaking news. this time of a plane crash off of taiwan. thousands are feared dead in that crash and 14 rescued after a regional plane crashed off an island off of that country's west coast. that transasia flight was mak