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lufthansa is also keeping their flights away from tel aviv. >> we have established no fly zones and we're not flying to israel and will not allow a flight to be dispatched over iran, iraq, syria, ukraine, afghanistan, or north korea. >> cancel that pyongyang vacation. john kerry is trying to help with the results that led to the travel bans. of course, he's attempting to broker a cease-fire. he's been there 12 times within the past year with that aim. more breaking news. this time of a plane crash off of taiwan. thousands are feared dead in that crash and 14 rescued after a regional plane crashed off an island off of that country's west coast. that transasia flight was making a second attempt to land when it
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went down. 54 passengers and 4 crew members were onboard at the time. the conditions at the time for stormy and difficult because of the typhoon motmo yesterday. and take a look, the remains of the victims of flight mh-17 arrives in the netherlands a short time ago. take a look. families were emotional, as you can see there, as the first coffin emerged from that plane. one-by-one they were slowly taken from the transport to waiting hearses. this is a live picture. 200 of the flight's 298 victims have been accounted for at this point. two ukrainian fighter jets are shot down in that same region, just 20 miles from the flight
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crash site of flight 17. the leader of the pro-russian insurgents posted this video on youtube. it appears to show wreckage from the jets still burning. ukraine's defense ministry says on its twitter account that crew members were ejected from the fighter jets safely before they went down. a funeral also will be held this evening for a man who died after that infamous now confrontation with the nypd. cell phone video appears to show an officer using a chokehold on that man, eric garner, he says eight times that he can't breathe. he died shortly after. it still hasn't been determined that the chokehold contributed to the death. but police suspected garner of selling loose cigarettes and that justified the way that they acted in this video. family and friends demanded justice at a protest. >> if there's going to be no justice --
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>> there's going to be no peace. >> the commissioner has ordered a review of nypd training. back to the devastation in gaza. this 16-day conflict has left more than 660 palestinians dead. united nations is claiming that more than 70% of those are civilians. u.n. human rights commissioner saying israel may have committed war crimes by killing civilians in gaza at the scope that it has. israeli officials blame hamas. they accuse israel embedded itself among the civilians. three civilians have been killed by rockets launched from gaza. secretary of state john kerry is in the region today, as we mentioned, meeting with both sides of this conflict. >> the people in the palestinian territories, people in israel are all living under the threat
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and this needs to end for everybody. we need to find a way that works and it's not violence. >> joining us is martin fletcher. martin? >> reporter: hi, ronan. israel keeps pointing out that the reason that they are attacking those densely populated areas is because that's where hamas has dug in and there was an example today. israel obliterated a hospital in gaza city today. they spent two days warning the people to leave, take out the patients, the medical personnel and then showed the army pictures of the air force destroying the building. they did because it was tunnels that israel is trying to find and destroy, there was a mass operations center, control and
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operations center in the hospitals. they say there were secondary explosions. that's what is going on. israel claims that the hamas is hiding amongst the people and they have no choice. all eyes are on the diplomatic efforts of secretary of state john kerry. israel says they are making some progress but there's still a long way to go and it's not clear what that means. israel and hamas clearly have a lot of fighting left inside of them. israel is very upset with the faa, the decision to renew the ban on flights here will clearly be followed by the european airlines despite israel's appeal to the safety of ben gurion's airport. ronan? >> martin fletcher, appreciate that update. stay safe there. what about the economic toll? major airlines banning this travel into israel could deal a crippling blow on that front and
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that's one reason that prime minister netanyahu has encouraged john kerry to get those flights to resume. he was making that same case this morning on abc news. >> though we've had some 2,000 rockets fired into israel, we haven't had one target inside the airport, the tunnel, the runway. our airport is safe, it's secure, and we hope the americans will be flying to israel soon. >> could the bottom line finally put peace back on the table? and if it doesn't, what's not at stake just for israel's economy but for the economy and the world. jared bernstein is joining me. >> pleasure. >> ben gurion airport is a big economic hub. it handled 14 million visitors last year. how big of an impact is this economically? >> a big impact.
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tourism is a very important part of the israeli economy. it accounted for 6% of the economy last year. that's about $12 billion. but just to put it in perspective, 6% of our economy is about a trillion. and this season started out particularly strong, in part economies that send tourists to israel and the u.s. is the most important, have been improving as well. the tourism is expected to climb 15% this year and they are off to a strong start. it's a big, serious economic problem, especially if it persists. >> and tourism specifically, that's a $12 billion season that ere's a lot at stake.. there's commentary on both sides of this. there's a new article that says israel would not gain much from peace. do you agree with that assessment? >> well, look, i'm going to speak specifically on the economy. >> i mean economically, of course. >> we have hotels that should be at 80% occupancy and they are
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now at 40. it's not just tourists that come, local consumers stay home as well. i understand that consumption in tel aviv, consumer spending, is down something like a third. so it is interesting the way you frame this up, i think, that perhaps these economic problems can can help to incentivize more cooperation. >> it is striking. otherwise, israel is so economically progressive. this is obviously the last thing they want on that side of what they are dealing with. >> well, it's a pretty narrowly targeted situation. however, let's, obviously, not forget the connection to mh-17, the downed commercial airliner in ukraine. i think that tragedy is looking over the shoulder of lots of decisions that are being made today. so, again, if this persists, it
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could spread throughout the region. it's actually isolated in israel around the border. >> new york mayor mike bloomberg made a statement on this. he bought a ticket from el al and called for the faa to reverse this decision. how specific is this to america's fortunes? >> america sends more tourists to israel than any other country and we're crippled in that sense for what was starting to be a very prominent decision. if you listen to the people that depend on this, the hotelers and restaurants, they are talking about just falling off a cliff in terms of their economic. so the u.s. is a very big part of the story. >> jared bernstein, appreciate your insights on this. >> sure. up next, finding love in a war zone. possible? in an unexpected way, yes. find out all of the details, up ahead. t rest tends to stay at rest... while a body in motion tends to stay in motion.
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victims of malaysia airlines started coming home today. these are live pictures of a long line of hearses traveling through the netherlands. it's a national day of morning. getting to this day has taken a long time. six days in which the victims' bodies were left out on the charred ground held by separatists of eastern ukraine. they traveled by train across a country torn apart by war and then finally taken toll their home soil. nbc's katy tur was there in the netherlands. >> reporter: right now they are on their way to another military
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facility where they will begin the identification. there were 40 bodies on these two planes. they were offloaded in quite a d dignified ceremony earlier. there was a moment of silence observed, the king and queen and a thousand family members showed up. they were behind a black curtain as they grieved. each of the 40 bodies was givens its own coffin and hearse, trying to maintain the dignity that they didn't have as they were left in the fields of ukraine. the process could take some time, could take days, weeks, months depending on the condition of the bodies. family members have been asked to create what they are calling a profile of the victims. pictures, things that their draw structure looks like, tattoos, birth marks, anything to help them identify their remains in a
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quicker fashion. now, not all of the bodies or victims are dutch. those that they have identified that are not dutch will be flown, repatriated to their own countries. only 40 bodies so far. most of the family members that were here today, most of them did not have loved ones on that plane, which is just on top of it all, such a trying thought. ronan? >> nbc's katy tur. there's political action in europe as well. tomorrow is the deadline for the eu sanctions for russia that falls way short of the possible action that they could have taken, like sectorwide actions that could have shaken the economy. so much of this action
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surroundiagainst russia is from america. where is the european role in this? joining me is a former ambassador to ukraine. thank you for being here. 50% of russia's trade is with european countries. how much is that in swaying them? >> very important. because the europeans do so much business with the russians, they have a lot of influence with the russians. it also comes with vulnerabilities. so the europeans have to weigh those costs and benefits. but that weighing of costs and benefits has been going on for weeks now and the traditional analysis has been that it was too costly to impose these harsher sanctions that we have proposed and we installed and imposed in some cases. so -- but that, i think -- that cost benefit analysis has changed. the game changer, of course, is the tragedy. after the tragedy, the discussion, the analysis, the
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response, i think, will be different. >> can europe really afford to play hardball more aggressively here? the first step is that 10% of the eu's total trade is with russia. we've had some cases of defiance. france actually just announced to a lot of applause, it turns out, that they are not going to change their plans to deliver a new warship to russia. how do you confront that? >> i think the french will confront that and i think the french neighbors and allies will confront that. i will be amazed if the french go forward with both of those. they have indicated that there is some question about the second warship. i would imagine there's a lot of pressure on them to cancel the contract for the first one as well. now, the french will be looking to see if the burden can be shared and the brits have a way to share some of that burden. there's a lot of investments, financial assets of rich russians in london. those could be attacked. those could be frozen. those could be taken away from those russians.
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the germans, of course, have a lot of gas that comes to them. there are things that the germans can do as well. so i believe that the europeans will be talking to each other and, as i say, i think the conversation will be different after the airliner's crash. >> and you mentioned what a turning point is was that this crash happened and the conversation that is happening now, of course, all the death toll is so europe concentrated. do you actually think that this will turn out to be a change in the stance towards russia going forward? >> i do. i do. i think the europeans and much of the world had been thinking that this conflict between the russians and the ukrainians was some small, little conflict between two places that are fairly far away from them. of course, ukraine is smack in the middle of europe and it took this tragedy to focus the attention of the europeans on the fact that this is not just a small little conflict far away from them, that it's really
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going to affect them day-to-day and their people. >> and one maybe unconventional but europe-led approach that is going around online is this suggestion that russia shouldn't host the world cup in 2018. obviously this is after the last olympics turned out to be something of a fig leaf for them during a time of human rights' violations. the head of the football association called it premature. how significant of a blow could losing a major sporting event be? >> if the russians have taken themselves out of the civilized international community, as they have, by violating the norms, the treaties, the codes of conduct that have guided european and indeed international relations since world war ii and certainly since the end of the cold war, if they have taken themselves out of this civilized set of nations, then there's no reason why they should be given benefits and if
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this red crescent medic checked his supplies. he says he can't go to where he's needed most. we get calls but there are injured there and they are bleeding to death, he said. but we can't go in. last time he did manage to get in and this is what he found. first, a face like a corpse then she moved and 24-year-old had been buried under the debris of her home for two days before the team rescued her. >> and this is where she is right now. she's in critical condition. she's badly burned. appears to be slipping in and out of consciousness. >> reporter: a doctor tells us all of her family was killed. they don't expect her to survive. >> chief foreign correspondent richard engel reporting from gaza. we just learned that the woman
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you saw there has died. israeli officials 70 new rockets were lobbed into israel. on a lighter note, though, there is one new way, speaking a universal looking up a group of american 20 somethings and the results show cased on their tumblr changed from there was romeo and juliet and, ha-ha, you have more pick. joining me is editor-in-chief of the new inquiry. thank you for being here. alias, you spoke to the foundation today. why did they start this? >> it was totally casual. they were sitting around in
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ramala and they were in many ways horrified by those responses that they were getting. we decided to document these responses. >> what is interesting to me, there was horrifying reminders of racism and there's also, isha, across the wall checkpoints. do you think that a generation could offer more hope for leadership eventually? >> honestly, i don't know. after looking through some of the responses and exchanges that have taken place on tender, a lot of them give more evidence of the deep-rooted racism against palestinians that many people following the story are already aware of. what has been interesting is how popular this -- these tender exchanges happen in western media and how they are offered a way to sentimentalize and how
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this conflict is viewed in terms of this constant hate from both sides and i looked at it and it really, to me, showcases the same racism that's been the logic of occupation in the current ongoing assault. >> what do you think, is the overall message hopeful or does it have, as isha way saying, it indicates the way that this conflict has penetrated every day life to the point where casual romantic interactions become tinged with the more realities of this conflict which often comes down to racist perceptions of realities and i think they were inspired to create this blog as a result of what they saw as a deeply racist responses and while you see very ordinary human responses in some of these messages, just a desire
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to hook up, essentially, what you see against the background is that in every one of these responses, as soon as ramala is mentioned, there become as conversation about whether romantic conversation can take place across this boundary. >> it certainly raises the stakes of your place or mine conversation. isha, on a happier note, there is a viral trend posting pictures of her jewish boyfriend and saying we're from different sides of this conflict. that initial photo there. that started a craze and people are trying to be the same. what do you think, is that sentimentalizing or can that trigger progress in a conversation like this. >> i think it's a fantastic way to show that as much as the political stakes and occupation continue, these are fundamentally human stories and it will always, you know,
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despite being subject to their respective governments, it showcases a possibility of connecting and having that empathy. i think they are necessary to see it and engage with because coming directly from the people in those relationships, it's, you know -- i love the opportunity for us to witness that. >> it makes it relatable. this is why my reaction is that while there's certainly darkness in these exchanges, you see a lot of hope as well. elias, you've been watching the comments from these tumblr. do you think that young palestinians support this more? is there an emersion of hardliners in this format or are people pushing back? >> definitely there's a lot of hardliners that play here. we see this in the way that individuals are referring to the word ramala teaching english to palestinian children. if you live there you must be a
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terrorist. and there are not a lot of hopeful messages in terms of messages that might make you believe that palestinians can come across this divide. whether, it's either extreme negativity, hostility, or even racism and just this basic desire to hook up, to get together and i don't think either of those emotions or impulses point to some sort of peaceful resolution. >> i'm from palestine, there is no palestine. certainly heavier than you see in that sexting setting. elias, what's your sense on the overall scope of the usage of this without outside manipulation. left to their own devices, is there a lot of dating app usage across the lines of this conflict? >> that's an interesting question. by no means do i have numbers on
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the amount of israelis who are using data apps. but what the woman behind this application told me was that when you get on an application like that, you were not encountering many palestinians. it's mostly israelis. as you are seeing, it's mostly israelis who are extremely surprised to discover someone on this app who might be living in palestinian. so i think, you know, that speaks to the degree to which israel is a much more technologically savvy and has seen a lot more tech development than the palestinian territories. >> right. it's very skewed and it's a brave new world. elias, isha, stay here. we're going to be calling all of the single ladies, all the single ladies, forgive me. they are in china, though. so it's a little different. not quite beyonce. more to do with a radical imbalance. stick around.
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you're watching video from just moments ago in the netherlands. the purses carrying those victims of flight 17. the hearses are traveling from a military base to where the victims' bodies will be examined. we'll keep you updated on that. but according to a new report from reuters, couple from china have been headed on mass to thailand. why thailand? it's one of three countries in the world that allows in vitro fertilization with the option of choosing the child's gender. a growing population of so-called left-over women on the other side. incredibly successful women but women looking for one more
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thing. a husband. elias and isha are back with me. as reuters just reported, this is exacerbated china's gender imbalance. they are slacking in their one-child policy but other things are still there. >> i think on a basic numbers questions, it's going to take a lot to overcome this and it's interesting as more and more chinese women enter the job market that country's developed incredibly rapidly and you can see them answering the same questions that women in america face the same question. they don't find partners and they are looking to more and more here in america as well. >> that's the debate that we're having in america as well, whether women can have it all. certainly it has higher stakes there and elias, it seems like
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this is a conversation exacerbated by china's own government. they have used the phrase "left-over women." what kind of message is that sending when they are wanting to be a part of the international community? >> well, it's interesting that the chinese government is doing this right now at a time when japan and south korea are trying to get women to participate in the labor force but i think the chinese government, in this case, is really concerned about leftover stability. there are four women to men as a result of the policy and all of these single men are adrift, and that's something that the chinese government is incredibly worried about. this leftover campaign has to do with the fears of those men and they'd like to see them get married and something that will lead to the social stability. at the same time, that's leading to a it about of a tradeoff
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between pushing women into the workforce which improves economic growth and sacrificing that for the increased social stability. >> and it's a fascinating issue and it's changing fast in china. we wanted to learn more about these so-called leftover women who are being bullied by their own government to get married and leave their careers. the whole concept, leftover women, was started by the beijing propaganda committee. we're now looking at china's dating scene and the struggle that women have in shanghai. take a look. >> reporter: big city china, where if you're a woman of the 27 and single, you can literally be branded a leftover woman. the term was coined by state media in an effort to bully younger women into getting married. and you thought dating was tough in america. this woman already feels the pressure.
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she's only 25. she's a successful entrepreneur in shanghai and in the past has worked as a model but now she's sought a professional matchmaker for help finding a man. >> this is a date. can you say awkward? because of the general preference for sons over daughters, there are 20 million more men than woman. that hasn't made it even easier to find the right man because a lot of men here don't have the money to support a family and today's sophisticated chinese women will not settle for anyone. >> i'm look forge a partner that is at least 5'9", makes more money than i and who is committed to their family. i have a lost of girlfriends who are beautiful, successful in their own careers and don't have love. >> reporter: enter the matchmaker who caters to
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shanghai's elite. >> the social structure has changed in china. most women work now and very few stay at home. they refuse to lower their standards. they won't go for a younger man who makes less money and doesn't own a house. you almost never hear, oh, as long as he's a nice person, he's okay. >> translator: do you like her? >> reporter: also on the market here at shanghai's people's park. she has a good education and income. there were no takers for our 25-year-old entrepreneur. there were a lot of business getting done here. >> translator: i'm here today to look for partners for my son and daughter. i have two kids. nowadays for women it's hard to find partners because they are
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more economically successful than ever. >> reporter: back at the matchmaker's office, the date hasn't gone well. >> translator: i think he's nice, but he's not for me. >> reporter: she's still determined to find a husband before she becomes one of the leftover women. >> translator: i hope to find a boyfriend that's tall and handsome, who has a stable job and has animals. if you're interested, go through the matchmaking agency to find me. >> thanks for that report. everyone in the control room says, uh-huh, yes, us, too. ayesha, your reaction to that? >> it's basically about the reaction of women being disadvantaged in an economy that's been produced by the gender imbalance and reminds me of in america there are more women with degrees in higher education and on college campuses across this country, there is this imbalance for women in terms of demographics.
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definitely it's a struggle that people here can relate to as well. >> it's exactly the same here and raises serious questions. elias, if the issue in china is the surplus male conversation, why aren't we talking about leftover men instead? >> well, there's really no need to because this kind of policy is causing a transfer of wealth from women to men. as your piece explained, chinese women are entering the workforce, making all of this money but as soon as they enter a marriage, a lot of times they are signing over their money to their husbands. they buy a house and their names very rarely appear on houses or real estate deeds, rather, and this is basically them signing overall of their money, all of this capital that they have accumulated over to their man. this has become a deeply anti-feminist story. >> it's a changing china in some ways and in other ways the same as in the states and maybe not likely to change soon. ayesha and elias, thank you.
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finally today, there is a new player in the privacy debate, and it should give you paws. it's triggering a purr-fect storm of controversy. we're going to have to let the cat out of the bag on this one. i got nothing. yes, we're talking about cats, the building blocks of the internet and a new project tracking how cat pictures actually reveal your location. like this little guy. his cute face is in napa, california. the project's creator sums it saying, it explores the humorous dm domestication of felines and the status. an estimated 15 million photos
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online are simply tagged with the word cat. each an insidious back door to your privacy perhaps? joining me now to discuss is florida state university professor. owen, thank you for joining. this is our favorite story today. how did you come to this project? >> thanks for having me, ronan. i was photographing my daughter with instagram, with the app on my iphone, and one day i looked down and saw that there was a button to see the map of where all the photographs that i had taken showed up. i thought to myself, i don't remember giving permission for the app to do this. so i looked through it and lo and behold, there were photographs of my daughter in our backyard. i thought, this is really creepy, actually. i wanted to make the experience tangible but at the same time -- >> and the audience as images of
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your project. it really is striking. you can zoom into houses. do you think people have any idea they're revealing this much information with the gps data embedded in their photos? >> i don't think people are going to be surprised to find this out. it's just another example of how digital technology enables the transfer of information with or without your consent. >> and what do you think it does reveal about the current state of that debate over privacy in this country? >> well, it shows us privacy is continually changing. a few years ago mark zuckerberg said privacy is dead. while that behooves mark zuckerberg and facebook and their investors, it's not necessarily the truth of the matter i think privacy is a kind of ongoing thing that culture and people and companies all have to kind of work together to
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solve in a way that respects everyone. >> i'm sorry. by the way, we're talking about very serious privacy stakes here while you are being covered with adorable cat photos. this obviously is the nature of this project and why it is so brilliant, if i may add. so what are your specific concerns about how this data is being used? you mentioned facebook. obviously they've come under fire for some draconian practices. >> yeah, well, so you negotiation i'm not particularly a cat person. now -- >> where is the dog tracking project, professor? our control room wants a dog tracker. >> yeah, yeah. well, i'm not going to tell you some of the names suggested for this project. >> we see where you're going with that. >> but i could have just as easily called it "i know where your kid sleeps." i think that's what "the new york times" said yesterday. it -- i think it tells us a lot
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about what is possible and it tells us we have to continually watch, you know, what we do and what we say and what the software that we're using does or says for us. >> it is a fascinating debate. there are really serious stakes here, but it's a brilliant project because no one can resist a cat photo. indeed, they're still covering both of us with cute cat pictures. they say just because we love cats. but honestly, we're going to have to cut off this segment so we can stop the cat photo madness. owen, we appreciate it. we're going to be following your work closely. >> thanks a lot. >> that wraps things up. thank you for joining me. now it's time for "the reid report" with my colleague joy reid. what do we have coming up? >> thank you very much. coming up next, secretary of state john kerry is in tel aviv for peace talks, even as intense fighting continues in gaza along with a rising civilian death toll.
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jesse don't go! jesse...no! i'm sorry daisy, but i'm a loner. and a loner gotta be alone. heee yawww! geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. jesse? good afternoon, everyone. i'm joy reid. this is "the reid report." it is day 15 in the war between israel and hamas, and civilians continue paying the price. we'll have the latest on secretary kerry's mission to try and broker a cease-fire. then, the bodies of flight mh-17 victims finally arrive home with the dignity they deserve, even as fighting continues in eastern ukraine and as pro-russian rebels shoot two ukrainian military planes out of the sky.
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and for two of my guests today, the death of a staten island man following a confrontation with police as he was being arrest is a tragedy they're all too familiar with. with the faa moments ago extending its flight ban to israel's main international airport for another 24 hours, secretary of state john kerry today continued his shuttle diplomacy between israeli and palestinian leaders, trying to bring an end to a two-week-old war that's cost nearly 700 palestinians and 32 israeli soldiers their lives. just a short time ago, secretary kerry and israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu shook hands in front of cameras after their meeting. the photo op came shortly after kerry met president mahmoud abbas. kerry also met today with u.n. secretary general ban ki moon as well as the family of one of the americans killed serving in israel's army. yet, nothing so far has inte
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