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did get republicans on board with this as well? >> yes, we did. we have a hearing tomorrow, 2:00, and you can live stream it. you can see it. >> good to have you with us can be congressman. reverend al sharpton starts right now. good evening, rev. >> good evening, ed. thanks for tuning in. tonight's lead, are americans hurting president obama. if republicans get to choose, it's no contest. they are so obsessed, so obsessed with attacking the president, they don't care if real people get hurt in the process. take health care for example. a new poll finds 72% of republicans think the health care law hasn't helped anyone. really? not one person. what about the $20 million who got coverage under the law? what about these people?
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>> as andrewa ward finished her health care enrollment, she said it was a burden off her shoulders, knowing her asthma would be taken care of. >> it is a relief. >> i've been held hostage to the insurance company. now i have peace of mind. >> for the first time in my life, i'm covered. i can't tell you how good that feels. >> if it was up to the gop, these people would be out of luck. because they killed a health care ruling that puts nearly 5 million people's insurance in jeopardy. they want to pull people off health care. >> it is a party driven by ideology. not by helping americans. and we just saw it play out in georgia where david purdue, won the state's republican primary. he is against the health care law and against raising the
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minimum wage. this is governing principle of the party right now. and that is to put politics over people. it is why they punt on working to solve the humanitarian crisis at the border. why they lead millions of unemployed americans without jobless benefits and why they turn their backs on long-term deal for infrastructure that would boost the economy. why? because they want to deny president obama a win. even if the american people lose. joining me now is congresswoman donna edwards democrat from maryland and jonathan capehart from the washington post. thank you both for being here. >> thank you. >> congresswoman on issue after issue, it seems like your republican colleagues are more concerned about politics than people. if they were actually concerned, actually concerned about health
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care, what would they be doing? >> well, you know, they're concerned about politics and processes. the reason they are suing the president, the fact is if they really cared about the american people and that was their concern, they would be concerned about how we can strengthen our health care system. how we can ensure that 9.5 million insured americans now enjoying health care can continue to enjoy that. how we can ensure that the state decline, implement the affordable care act and bring on a medicaid population that would provide additional health care to their citizens can do that. and so, i just think that the republican party demonstrates over and over again that their concern about politics and process but they're really not concerned about the american people. >> you know, jonathan, sometimes i think we look at the cost there is such a human cost to this stuff. i mean, the opposition by gop to health care, it costs, and
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listen to this story from north carolina where a hospital closed, partly because of the state's refusal to expand medicaid. >> we were the first and we won't be the last. so everybody, please come together. >> losing his wife, she died while waiting to be air lifted to the nearest hospital in washington more than 50 miles away. >> i mean, this woman may have died because the state wouldn't expand their medicaid. is how can republicans live with that, jonathan?
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>> i'm not sure. but one of the things that republicans could do and hasn't have not and specifically in this case on health care, is they are so desperate to repeal the affordable care act and yet they haven't stepped forward with their own plans, their own alternatives for either the affordable care act or what would go in its place once, let's say, they do succeed in getting the affordable care act declared unconstitutional and suddenly you have millions of people possibly thorown off ther health insurance. what is their alternative plan for that? they have no alternative care for minimum wage, for insurance, i could just keep going. at one time in washington, if you had the affordable care act maybe a generation ago and there was a problem and it was the legislative accomplishment, you would have republicans pushing hard to make changes to that law
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to make it better so that they could claim credit for it. instead, what we have now is a bunch of people on capitol hill who are making it their sole mission to not no longer replace obama care but to just completely repeal it. and that is, i think, unconscionable because there are real people, real lives at stake involved in these. >> congresswoman, let me go on that political point because the fact of the matter, speaker boehner wasn't the only one cheering ruling against yesterday's health care subsidies. yesterday we saw the governor of mississippi phil bryant said that the ruling was quote another step in dismantling obama care and returning the control of individual health care to the people. but the ruling could really hurt his own constituents. 60,000 mississippi residents receive federal health care subsidy. and the governor thinks it would
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be a good thing that they lost those subsidies, congresswoman? >> i mean, it really does seem pretty shocking, reverend, al. the fact that people would be cheering on people losing health care. you know, when the affordable care act was tasked, republicaned were all against it. people in communities. but the fact is that 74% of republicans who are newly insured actually like their health care plan. so they don't even represent their own people. and it is really shocking that you have people who are legislators who refuse to legislate, who only want to repeal. at the same time, they would think it would be preferable for poor people to go without health care. shameful. >> jonathan, you mentioned immigration. they would rather attack immigration than solve the border crisis. listen to this from congressman
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brooks. >> this president caused the problem by enticing children to america by waving in front of them the prospect of amnesty and right now the president of the united states is the world's sugar daddy and that has to stop. that's the incentive for the kids to come here. >> sugar daddy. i mean, sugar daddy. he's calling the president sugar daddy. my colleague, jose diaz, i want show to you this, my colleague jose diaz, he interviewed one woman, undocumented, this is what she said. >> now that you're here in the united states, are you worried that you will be deported? >> si. >> yes. >> because i arrived to this country without papers. without any permission. so i could save my own life p. so i could continue my dream. so i could save my family.
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>> what if you are deported? >> it would be a tragedy. it would be a death for me. >> this woman is talking about a certain death, a certain death. this is a humanitarian issue. this is not about anybody being a sugar daddy, jonathan. >> i think the congresswoman was saying after that clip, it is pretty insulting to reduce the humanitarian crisis that's going on on our southern border to just a bunch of people who are looking to come to the united states, get free stuff. which is part of the larger republican mantra. you know, i saw that interview that jose did, and it's pretty incredible. she said in that interview, please give me a chance. please let me stay. >> i think that's what's important. i have to leave it there. thank you both for your time tonight. >> thanks, reverend. >> thank you. coming up, is sarah palin's
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impeachment plan back firing? she is a major force in the party. now we're learning, she's causing a major problem. >> and opening arguments in a case compared to the george zimmerman trial. was this man acting in self-defense when he shot and killed an unarmed 19-year-old? a mom was emotional on the stand. >> are you familiar with that picture? >> yes. >> what is that a photograph of? >> my daughter. >> and as investigation into this disturbing video continues, tonight we celebrate eric gardner's life, the man known as the gentle giant. please stay with us. your busine, protect your family, and launch your dreams. at legalzoom.com we put the law on your side.
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big time. she kicked off a plan two weeks ago with an article in a right wing website saying the time had come for impeachment. and she's been pounding that message since. >> impeachment is a message that has to be sent to our president that we won't put up with this lawlessness. don't bring a lawsuit it a gun fight. there's no place for lawyers on the front line. we should vehement impose any politician, any candidate, on the left or right, who would hesitate in voting for impeachment. >> there a president with high crime and misdemeanors and it's impeachment, it's the "i" word. >> sarah palin is a major driver in the gop and she is steering the party towards impeachment. in congress, lawmakers, like ted
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cougar. last night in georgia, a senate candidate showing support for impeachment won the gop primary. and the "i" word is all over the right wing media complex. this has become blood sport for this party. and now it's back firing. it is actually helping democrats. the washington post reports quote, while talk of impeaching obama makes some in gop uneasy, democrats see an opportunity. >> the democratic congressional campaign committee sent out two e-mails after palin's impeachment article. it raised $500 thousand in four days and yet, listen to what speaker boehner says. >> you said in your letter to the numbers a few weeks ago that the president has declined to faithfully execute the law. is that an impeachable effect?
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>> i believe this is a battle between the two branches of government. others could make a determination about whether it is impeachable or not. >> that's what i call riding the fence. speaker boehner knows impeachment is a losing idea but he is afraid of sarah palin so he can't slam the door on her plan. joining me now is washington post malika henderson who wrote the article about politics of impeachment. thank you both for being here. >> good to be here. >> hey, rev. >> is this high profile impeachment from sarah palin a problem for the gop? >> it is a problem. and many of the republicans that we talked to for this, quote in the article, suggests it is a problem and that's why you see republicans playing the fence, as you talked about boehner
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there, or essentially saying no, this isn't on the table. this isn't something they want it do. but in the meantime they do have this lawsuit that is hanging out there and many see that as sort of a bone to the base that in some way says clamoring for imbeachment. so in the meantime, the functions at impeachment light, as much as they want to sort of cordoned off sarah palin in the more sort of radical voices in the republican party that are calling for impeachment, they are sort of bunched in the same group because people see the lawsuit as sort of interchangeable with impeachment. you see democrats raising money on that. yesterday they write to john boehner and tell them that the lawsuit is just a political stunt. >> some thought they were using the lawsuit to work the
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impeachment talk and it is working the other way. we are getting ready to get into the heat of this mid term election and this impeachment talk, back firing on republicans, could be a significant seat change into the fall. >> well, it absolutely could for a number of reasons. as nia-malika point out in her piece, we know it is serving as a fund-raising tool. but it also could serve as a way to motivate voters, particularly african-american voters. but i would argue the base of the democratic party to turn out in a mid term election and turn out when they might not otherwise. because we know we have trouble with the drop-off letters. you also have, congress is supposed to go home next week for their work period. three more weeks off. i would love to have their work schedule. and the question is, what is it that republicans are going to say to their constituent when i talk to my sources, democrats say they will make this contrast. they will say, hey, they are talking about impeachment. i'm talking about jobs. i'm talking about increasing
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minimum wage. this is how what they are doing is detracting from my ability to deliver for you and i this that i contrast is going to really be harmful for republicans if democrats make that argument. >> yeah. nia-malika you are right about how it would impact mid term elections. georgia, louisiana, north carolina and michigan, all with sizeable black populations, could make the difference in which party controls the senate. the calculus among some democrats is that an obama presidency threatened by the prospect of impeachment would bring black voters to the polls in droves. this is what she wrote. . >> this is why you see them trying to put sarah palin off in a corner an on her own island but it is not all working. they very well know what happened in 1998 through bill
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clinton. bill clinton was able to have a draw in the senate, lose no seats, because of the impeachment talk surrounding his presidency. so he was able to make up a piece of the house. gaining five seats in the house, a rarity in terms of a mid term rate for a sitting president. so they have seen this movie before. it hasn't ended well for republicans. one of the things, if you look at the map, this is a race that began goes through a lot of southern states. if you look at a state like georgia, that state is seeing hundreds of thousands of new african-american voters and we saw it in 2012 where there is an uptake in black voter participation and a lot of people, at least anecdotely think that is because of the talk around voter identification law. so the theory here offer 2014 is whether or not this same talk about impeachment could motivate african-american voters on who obviously supported this
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president and they would be angry and angry people show up at the polls. >> absolutely. and you know, she mentioned georgia, four republicans won primaries in georgia last night. one for senate and three for house seats. all of them have indicated support for impeachment. here is what three of those candidate have said. >> i'm not up there. i don't have the facts. but i know that if they violate the oath of office to the degree to do that, i will be involved in that. >> i agree. there has to be an inquiry. into whether or not we could proceed with impeachment. >> the constitution confers upon congress the power to limit the jurisdiction of federal judges. it also grants congress the power of impeachment. >> you know, is this what it takes to win the gop primary now? i mean, calls for impeachment and even if it is hurting the party. and when you look at the
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democrat, nun, from georgia, early polls indicate it is close. that georgia turned blue because of this? >> well, it is a possibility. you know, if african-american voters in georgia turn out to their numbers and a number of places in georgia, they could make up the differential. if they were to turn out and if michelle nun was able to get the baseline number she needs to turn out, she could win. i think in the house race it will be tougher because they are so jerry mannedered. but republicans must believe they have some kind of polling that suggests that this message is effective for them. that's where as a democrat i would put in a word of caution that democrats not get too excited about this potential message because at the same time, there are parts of the republican base who want impeachment. that's part of why boehner has gone to, nia-malika called it
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impeachment light with the lawsuit. yes, angry people show up at the polls but their angry people may show up at the polls as well because of this message. >> we will have to leave it there. nia-malika henderson and karen finney, thank you for your time tonight. >> thanks. >> some comparing this to the george zimmerman trial. an armed teenager shot and killed. today, opening arguments in the trial for the man charged with murder. there's, the under cover video that uncovered harsh truths about food safety in america. but is this truth being hidden again?
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was itself defense or murder? the mcbride murder trial kicked off in detroit today. it is being compared to the zimmerman trial. 55-year-old theodore waiver is charged with second degree murder and manslaughter in the killing of 19-year-old ranisha mcbride. she was shot when she showed up drunk. but unarmed. on his front porch at 1:00 in the morning. mcbride crashed the car into a parked vehicle and her family said she wandered to seek help. but the 55-year-old shot mcbride in the face through a closed door, killing her. today prosecutors called his actions unnecessary, unjustified, and unreasonable. but the defense said waiver
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acted in self-defense. speaking about michigan's castle doctrine law. >> it is not stand your ground. stand your ground is more, when you're in your home, and the law treats your house as your castle. you get special protection. the castle doctrine is to keep us safe. and if someone is intruding on us, we can use deadly force to protect ourselves. the time he acted he believed he was seriously in trouble of being injured. this part is important. if the defendant believed with honest reasonableness, and that's for you all to decide, he could -- even if it turned out later was wrong about how much danger he was in. a person is never required to retreat attack in his own home.
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that the important part. no duty to retreat. >> no duty to retreat. he could use deadly force to protect himself. i heard this one before. so it comes down to this. will the jury believe theodore wafer felt threatened by mcbride? joining us, legal analyst ahvo.com and former prosecutor. thank you both for being here. lisa, here we go again. is this stand your ground on trial again, lisa? >> well, she is actually right about the castle doctrine. that's a doctrine that's in effect all over the u.s. stand your ground is only offered in about half the states. castle doctrine goes back about a hundred years. basic premise is we don't have to retreat from our home.
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however, just as with stand your ground you have to feel reasonably fearful in your life and in michigan, honestly in fear. he might be able to prove to the jury he was honestly in fear but he also has to show that that fear was reasonable. if the young unarmed woman is simply knocking on your door, even banging on your door, even under the influence of alcohol, it doesn't sound reasonable to be in fear for your life, shoot her in the face and kill her. >> do you agree? >> i do not, most respectively to my colleague, lisa bloom. here is why, rev. we are saying he shot her in the face. but perhaps the defense is going to show that he was attempting to fire a warning shot. thereby demonstrating his reasonable belief of fear at that moment in time. when he heard, not just knocking or banging, but booming thunderous sounds at various portions of his house. and i would like to just go a
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little further with that, rev, he shot through the door. a door that was minimally able to protect the second door, screen door, he was not protected in that sense. he wasn't going to keep intruders out by that door. because he shot through the door, not opening the door, it supports he lacked the intent to murder mcbride. >> listen to the jury instructions when concerning the self-defense. if the defendant honestly and reasonably believes it was immediately necessary to use deadly force to protect himself, or herself, from imminent threat, the law does not require him or her to retreat. he/she may stand his or her ground and use the amount of force he/she believes necessary to protect himself/herself. so it is stand your ground, lisa. >> stand your ground is an
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offshoot of the castle doctrine. stand your ground which ga not in 2005 in florida was to expand the castle doctrine. if we don't have a retreat duty in our home then why should we in the street or in a bar or anywhere else. theodore wafer opened his interior door. let's assuming it was locked, he today unlock it and open it. the interior door was open. the screen door was locked. he shot through the locked door. why didn't he simply close the larger heavier interior door, lock it and call the police? he said he couldn't find his self phone. is not being able to find your cell phone justification for taking the life of the 19-year-old girl? >> he didn't know she was 19, lisa. he saw a shadowy figure. i submit to say he didn't know it was a woman or man. and reports say at certain times he thought there were more than even two people banging on his door. again, at separate locations in front of the house.
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>> then why did he open the interior door if he thought there was a group of people there. >> i think he was trying to see if there were only one person. and i think it sounds like he wasn't convinced that it was just one person. >> once he opened the door, would he have seen. >> no. he thought there were knocks on the other side of the house. >> why did he open the door? that's what i'm saying? >> i think he was still trying to see if there was just one person. >> you thought there were a lot of people outside, so you open the door. >> at that location. >> let me go to something else. the prosecution but mcbride's best friend on the stand who testified they went to buy a bottle of vodka just hours before ranisha was killed. listen to what happened next. >> we played cards with a shot game. >> would that be a drinking game? >> yes. >> during the course of the game, how much of the alcohol
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that you had purchased was consumed? >> we drunk about half the bottle. >> about half of the fifth? >> yes. >> were you smoking anything? >> yes. >> what were you smoking? >> marijuana. >> who was smoking? >> me or anisha. >> this is a prosecution witness. why would they put this testimony on? >> i'm sure if they were here, the prosecution would say, we put her on for the sake of completeless because she was there in the final day and everyone want to know what she was doing on her final day. >> it was a poor choice on the prosecution part. let's set this up in a way that somewhat is sympathetic to the victim. the fact she was drinking a lot and smoking marijuana, it is what it is. i wish young people would drink less and do less drugs in our culture. she certainly didn't deserve the death penalty for being under the influence of alcohol and maybe marijuana on that fatal
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night. >> i agree with lisa that order of the witnesses is strange. you don't want it start off with the witness. however, as a prosecutors, you bring the whole story out. you don't want them to bring in the prosecution saying, we had one drink and we were fine. then the defense says, they were playing games, she was drunk. give them the whole picture. >> stand your ground on trial again, we will be watching that. lisa bloom, thank you both for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> coming up, under cover video is raising serious questions about the food you are eating and we are seeing everything we need to see or are we? secret investigation is ahead. and later, the eric gardner case, left to die without any
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but eight states now have ag gag law. iowa, utah, and missouri. just in the past two years alone and still, introduced in 13 -- 15 other states. this is videotape from another under cover investigation. before it was illegal, showing alleged -- and filthy conditions for the animals and dairy, egg and factory farms. we reached out to industry representatives of the farms and while they condemn any abuse of the farm animals, they point out that conditions and treatment are actually standard practice. none of the farms were charged with any wrongdoing. the ag gag laws just like stand your ground can be traced back to the american legislative
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exchange council, alec. their push toward coordinated task forces that drab bills and help votes for their legislation and states around the country. we contacted industry representatives for the milk and egg farmers and they said there is plenty of oversight of farms and critics disagree an say oversight is chipped away. food safety experts said a sweeping new usda rule would eviscerate poultry inspections that would protect consumers from tainted chicken and turkey. eliminating all but one food inspectors to inspect three chicken carcasses every second. the ag gag laws take away the rights of consumers to see where their food comes from and to hold the food industry accountable and is not just about the safety of the food we eat and feed to our families.
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it is also a question of animal welfare and whether animals are treated humanely. that's what's at stake in this law, that we fight for more transparency. joining me now is wayne proselli, president and ceo humd states. and cody carlson, for mercy for animals and humane society who shot the footage you just saw. thanks to you both for being here. dwane, people don't know this issue. laws have sprung up to prevent consumers from know wlag is kbing on inside the factories. how has that changed what we know about our food? >> well, we all need food to survive. every single one of us touches the food production system. we all have a stake in this.
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we all care about animals. we all care about food safety. and what the industries are trying to do by trying to enact these ag gag laws, is keep the public in the dark. to criminalize the work that cody and other brave investigators do to expose animal cruelty and food safety problems. if they didn't have anything to hide, there would be no ag gag laws contemplated. >> i think that's the point, cody, you went under cover in three different states you get this footage. what did you find? >> went under cover on four factory farms. one in iowa where this ag gag law is. the animals have no regard for their welfare. confined, body parts chopped off, et cetera. >> i want to show the audience a video you shot while under cover while at an egg farm in iowa.
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>> many birds die in their cages and are simply left to rot. >> we had a disease go through here. that's all we get for about two weeks straight, is dead birds. >> what kinds of conditions did you see inside that egg farm? >> these chickens are kept ten to a cage, in the cage about the size of a dresser drawer their entire lives with no oversight. 3,000 birds per barn. they would routinely found and i would find them mummified, rats living in the nests. >> iowa farms had a salmonella outbreak that prompted the largest recall of eggs in the country, over half a billion eggs in 14 states. and while your farm was not part of the recall, there was similar unsanitary conditions found at those farms.
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wayne, you know, these so-called ag gag bills being introduced in the states are very similar. and state after state we are seeing the same language, no unauthorized recordings or video or audio. no recording of image or sound. who's pushing these bills, wayne? >> well, as you said, the american legislative exchange council came up with novel legislation. then the farming industry, which is really the different state farm bureaus, cattleman's association, pork producers, really been driving it. they've been doing grunt work in state legislators to pass it. they are trying to get this enacted in all 50 states. they got it done in seven already. so it is really relevant for your viewers, rev, to contact the state legislators and say, we care about animals. we care about the safety of our food and what are you trying to hide. >> it also is preventing a larger discussion on the
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appropriate treatment of animals. isn't that really part of the problem? >> it is, you know, cody and other investigators should get a medal, an court date. and we, as people who care about animals, if we believe that animal cruelty is wrong, it must apply to animals on our farms. and to have a pregnant pig live in a crate that's two feet wide that doesn't allow her to take more than one tiny step forward and one tiny step back for three years is morally wrong. same thing with the four laying hens confined in cages that give them 60 square inches. this is the paper, 93 square inches. for the living space for her life. we surmise this is the best we can do? >> the left we can do and we must force this is have a national discussion on what is appropriate behavior to animals
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and on what we are putting in our bodies, particularly sanitary conditions and other things in where animals are at. we must have that discussion. we're committed to it here. >> thanks, rev.re so get out there, and get the best price guaranteed. find it for less and we'll match it and give you $50 toward your next trip. expedia. find yours. take them on the way you always have. live healthy and take one a day men's 50+. a complete multivitamin with 7 antioxidants to support cell health. age? who cares.
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finally tonight, remembering the man his friends called a gentle giant. the funeral for eric garner is just moments away. i will deliver a message there. and i will remember a life after loving husband and father of six. in the video seen around the country, over the last six days, you can see nypd officer putting mr. garner in a choke hold. while down, he says, i can't breath, 11 times. but no one stops and no one helps him. even after paramedics show up, no medical treatment is administered. no care is shown to him. he is on the ground, motionless, as minutes tick by before he was funly brought to a hospital.
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when does a sense of humanity kick in. have we gotten so cold? last night demonstrators march through the streets of staten island, friends, family, and community members all coming together to demand change. and while the investigation goes on, tonight, we will celebrate his life. he was a father of six, and the grandfather of two. one of his sons was getting ready to go to college on a basketball scholarship. he recalled his dad beaming with pride that he would be the first person in the family to go to college. and garner's loss is being felt throughout the community. >> i knew he had my back. i felt safe with him. this is insane. >> a young man. not right. >> a big family. we come from a great background. a great background. a southern background and we
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were raised with respect. >> right new, six children are in mourning for their father. what do you tell them? what happened to their father's humanity? who had the right to take that away? i understand the dangers that policemen say they face. i understand mistakes. but when you're looking at a man totally unarmed and the tape shows that. when you put him in a choke hold and he said, 11 times, i can't breath. and at what point do you stop? at what point does trying to apprehend him turn into an intentional harm? and how do officers stand around and do nothing as you apply an illegal choke hold? and how do paramedics show up and never do cpr and never try to aid a man laying there who had no motion in his body?
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have we reduced people now to where they're not even worth the value of a lucy cigarette? these are questions that we're going to have to answer in coming days. tonight, we have to make sense to children why they are at their father's funeral. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. is nothing sacred? let's play "hardball." good evening, i'm chris matthews in san francisco. let me start with this relentless shameless effort to accomplish anything by the president of the united states. worse than any of it, the attempt to kill obama care in
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