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the presidents of guatemala, honduras and el salvador meet with president obama today. just the latest in a stream of migrants crossing our borders every day. >> the border crisis front and center at the white house again today. president obama is meet with leaders of guatemal ahonduras and el salvador to discuss the influx of undocumented immigrants from the region. >> secretary kerry has flown to cairo and reportedly has a proposal. it would be a temporary cease-fire starting on sunday here in gaza. the chances of success are not seen as incredibly large. a military unit from france is heading to africa today to secure the crash site of an air algerie jet that went down in mali with 116 people on board. 1:00 p.m. an the east coast. 10:00 a.m. an the west. here is what you need to know right now. developing news from the middle east where this afternoon, secretary of state john kerry is expected to present his proposal
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for a new week-long cease-fire in the conflict between israel and hamas. flashes erupted during demonstrations on the west bank overnight between israeli soldiers and palestinians protesting israeli air strikes. at least two palestinians were shot and killed. and tensions remain high in gaza after yesterday's strike on a u.n. school. 15 were killed sparking globalcglobal condemnation. >> these are people who have taken shelter in a u.n. designated area. the warring parties, particularly the israelis, were given the precise gps coordinates. they knew exactly what was going on there. and in spite of that, this has happened. we again say enough civilians, enough women, enough children. they have suffered quite enough in this appalling confluct. >> the responsibility for that attack remains unclear. israel and hamas blamed one another. in africa, investigators have recovered the black boxes from the crashed al algerie jet.
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it went down in mali less than an hour after departing burkina faso. there were no survivors. more than 50 were french nationals and french officials dispatched a military unit to the crash scene to guard the wreckage. more plane news. there are new accusations against russia more than a week after the downing of malaysia air flight 17. bodies of more victims arrived in the netherlands today just a short while ago. human remains continue to be found at the crash scene in eastern ukraine. and those new allegations, the u.s. government claims it has evidence that russia's military has been firing artillery at ukrainian fighters on the border. the chairman of the joint chiefs martin dempsey warned that vladimir putin's military intervention may even spread. >> having lit this fire in an isolated part of eastern europe, it may not stay in eastern europe. and i think that's a real risk.
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>> these new allegations of russia's direct involvement come two days after pro-russian separatists claim to have shot down two ukrainian fighter jets. back home in less than one hour, president obama is scheduled to meet with the presidents of honduras, guatemala and el salvador. the very countries from which tens of thousands of unaccompanied children have been taken long and dangerous journeys to our borders. why these countries? well, unbelievable violence. the u.n. estimates that in those three countries alone, there are 70,000 gang members. some of those leaders of those countries are blaming the u.s. honduras' president told "the washington post" today, the u.s. has enormous responsibility for this. he elaborated with jose diaz-balart and says it's america's demand for drugs that is killing his people. >> translator: your country here in the united states is the largest consumer of drugs. and what happens with that is
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you managed to resolve the problem by separating the violence from the consumption of drugs. and for many, public officials here, the problem is a matter of health. what is it for us in central america? it's a problem of life and death. >> joining me now, congressman luis gutierrez who met with those very central american leaders just yesterday at the hill. also just at the white house this morning himself talking about this issue. congressman, how much is america to blame for this crippling violence and poverty? >> we have responsibility. look, it's adults on both sides of the border that have failed these kids. we have an insatiable demand for the drugs. but at the same time, let's make it clear, the hondurans, the guatemalans and salvadorans also have responsibility. but you know what? i'm happy that the presidents are also taking responsibility. el salvador, honduras and guatemala, the first lady of guatemala -- of honduras
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specifically, they are all telling the kids to stay. do not take the journey. that there is no guarantee of a paper, of granting asylum in the united states. and this torturous journey, you can die, you can be raped, beaten, put into human trafficking in the world. so i'm happy that they are doing that because the children should be the ones that we are first and foremost concerned about. and protecting them is going to take us both sides. additionally, when we spoke with the presidents of those three countries you know what they brought us? they asked us, they said, can you help us so that we can create civil societies structures in our country that allows people to have good, meaningful employment and jobs. job training, job creation. we need -- we need not only to combat, and we're very clear. look. we want -- i think, to be clear, i think that america does have a responsibility.
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they are in our hemisphere. you want to stop those kids from coming? you want to stop people from fleeing? you need to invest in those countries also. >> that is an important message. we're happy to hear the leaders of these countries are echoing important message from our country that children who come here may not have the opportunity to stay. >> yes. >> people are pointing fingers in a lot of directions on this. people are pointing it at the obama administration for starters. they are also talking about the policies of the last two presidential administrations. first up, what about that accusation? what do you say to people who point the finger at president obama's deportation policies? >> look, president barack obama's deportation policies are ones that we have criticized in a very, very public manner. but having said that, ronan, we had a wonderful meeting this morning. given that this do-nothing congress is going to live up to its name and do nothing about our broken immigration system other than demonize children at our border and take away protections they have against human trafficking, and want to
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take away from the dreamers. they want to now say to all the dreamers, all 600,000 of you, we want you first and foremost deported if we're going to put any money to protect children. that's the republican response. >> congressman, what about the more root causes, though. when we look at the rnd lying violence we've been talking about. what about people who say this was partly exported by the united states during the clinton administration. you were in office at that point. >> i was in office at that point. and let me say this to you. in 1996, we proposed legislation after the civil wars in central america so we said to salvadorians and guatemalans and nicaraguans. those that are here, we should settle their claim for asylum here and we should have now a peace treaty here in the united states because we had a responsibility since we sent guns and weapons also to those central american countries. >> and congressman, what about the -- >> you know, if i could just -- you know what happened? the republicans in 1997 took that legislation to benefit
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central americans and said only nicaraguans who were fighting the communists, who were fighting the sandinistas get to stay. today, nicaragua is the poorest country in central america and only a trickle of children are coming. why? because we legalized the status of so many of them. so, yes, there are problems of the past. yes, the deportations have made this problem worse. but i see an administration and a president that says he's going to take his pen and if the congress doesn't act, he's going to act. i think they'll act in a very affirmative manner in order to set aside large communities of people who should not be deported. >> you make an important point about the complexity of the past here. we talked about the clinton administration. equally people talk about the bush administration and particularly the legislation at the heart of this debate that provides more protection for victims of human trafficking and may be a setback as we try to clean up this problem. congressman, appreciate your comments on this. >> thank you, ronan. sad news to report this
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afternoon. wichita kansas police reported another child has died after being left in a hot car. authorities say the 10-month-old girl was forgotten in the car outside her home last night for two hours. at that time the temperature outside was around 90 degrees. one adult has been booked on a charge of child endangerment. it's another heartbreaking example of why our call to action this week that so many of you have responded to on hot car deaths is so important. thank you for joining that. we've gathered about 1400 signatures for the white house petition to prevent child heatstroke deaths in cars. 100,000 signatures are needed by august 12th by the white house to require them to respond. we're going to keep this call open. keepior responses coming. up next -- this ain'tior father's gop. or is it. the party noof no is doing some surprising outreach. we'll explain right after the brack.
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the poverty problem is not new and it's not going away easily. black unemployment still twice white unemployment. and i don't accuse the president of not caring. i think he does care. but that's what we have to talk about policies, not just about caring. i think there are people in both parties who care. but, frankly, we have to come up with a policy that does better. >> the new face and the new kinder, gentler attitude of the gop? that was senator rand paul at the national urban league urban conference this morning. he's one of a number of prominent 2016 candidates now emphasizing poverty. inequality. social welfare. the question is, do gop policies back up the new gop rhetoric? joining us now, mark morial,
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president of the national urban league, michael steel, former chairman of the rnc and karen finney. thank you all for being here. is the gop changing its tone on poverty? >> i couldn't tell you that. i think what is important is that both debbie wasserman schultz and reince priebus were here at the national urban league. joe biden and rand paul were here. and what i think it's a reflection of is that poverty and income equality are issues central to the nation at this time and that communities of color and urban communities cannot and will not be ignored in 2014 or '16. i think the responses you see have a lot to do with a card cold facts around the political reality of the electorate as much as perhaps changing concerns within the gop.
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>> what do you think, michael? how much of this is catering to a demographic that may have lost republicans the last general election and how such a general policy shift toward addressing poverty? >> i think it's more of a wake-up call and reality check as opposed to a change in policy direction. and i say that for this reason. there have been for quite some time, certainly during my chairmanship, chairmanship of ed gillespie and others who put a lot of emphasis from a policy standpoint that never got the traction that you see right now. and that's a good thing. it means the party is tuning in and sort of turning up not just the rhetoric but actually following it up as you see with guys like rand paul and paul ryan. with specific proposals and ideas to address exactly what mark just outlined. i think this is a positive turning point. let's see how they reconcile voting laws in this country that the party has supported that
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african-americans think disenfranchise. so those types of things are the next step. we'll see how they handle it. >> karen finney was smirking. i want you to talk specifics for a second. before we get to paul ryan, you have burning thoughts an his budget. let's talk about rand paul. economic freedom zones that reduce taxes in very poor communities. ones with unemployment 1.5 times the national average. good idea? >> possibly. again, a lot of this, the devil is in the details. and really understanding because a lot of times, this kind of speaks generally to what michael was saying. yes, republicans have put forward ideas but a lot of times those ideas actually end up not being ideas that will help communities of color. they tend to favor, you know, they may have policy ideas but they tend to be policy ideas that actually make things worse, not better. and they tend to not support things like an increase in the minimum wage or equal pay for women that we know could
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actually help communities of color or how about rand paul was talking about jobs. the president's job act. the problem i have is the devil is in the details and a lot of times when we really scratch below the surface and see those details you find out that it actually ends moving money around in a way that is not always beneficial as it might seem an the surface. >> that's a criticism that paul ryan's budget has gotten. let's look at that for a second, michael. paul ryan introduced his anti-poverty plan but it conflicts with his budget plan in some ways. the new republic highlighted some of those. his anti-poverty agenda doesn't cut food stamps at all. is he not focusing on the specifics of these plans when he comes out with this strong rhetoric? >> i think he is focussing on the specifics and what paul ryan has been trying to do for the past few years he's produced these budgets and is being accentuated by a gentleman like rand paul is let's have the
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debat. let's put these enemy bers out there. karen makes a very good point. the devil is always in the detail when it comes to policies and legislation because both democrats and republicans have to sign off on it. and we philosophically have differences that need to get ironed out. oftentimes what we've seen, ronan, is the idea of starting the conversation that people blow it up before you have it. so let's have the conversation now. let's really get into the numbers and see how these policies work out and we'll see what works and what doesn't work. >> mark, on the ryan budget, he proposes taking $100 billion out of federal welfare programs and giving them directly to the states. is that something democrats should welcome? >> it's a high lear irresponsible plan. when i saw his plan several months ago, it's an assault on the poor. it's a war on the poor. so with paul ryan, it was interesting that now he's got an anti-poverty plan that does seem to conflict to some extent. and i think it reflects the fact
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that his earlier budget plan got very, very poor reviews. you've got to invest in people. you've got to be serious about trying to left them up. and i think the test is going to be whether the ideas expressed turn into action. rand paul and paul ryan are both sitting members of congress. they've got the opportunity to introduce legislation and use their influence to try to bring those legislative instruments to a vote. so i welcome the idea that people recognize that issues of income inequality, poverty, the growing political strength of communities of color will not be ignored going forward. >> mark, what about marco rubio's new push on some of these issues. he's been out talking about education. that's clearly welcome and seen too infrequently. he also very big on transferring a lot of this funding that's now federal to the states. what do you have to say to his role in this? >> look, you've got states that refuse to expand medicaid. you have governors who refuse
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american reinvestment -- recovery and reinvestment act dollars. that's not the way to go. many states would be responsible. there are too many states that would not necessarily be responsive or responsible with the money. so for me, those ideas of transferring all of the responsibilities to the states are really a nonstarter. >> mark appreciate it. karen finney, michael steel, stick around. just ahead, motorcades. in the news. and i mean, really. what's always with them clogging traffic, mess with your commute. preventing pregnant women from crossing the street? what? yes, that's a thing that's making headlines right now. we'll explain right after the break. [ cat meows ] ♪ ♪ da-da-da-da-da, bum-da, bum-da ♪ ♪ bum-da, bum-da ♪ the animals went in two by two ♪ ♪ the sheep and the frog and the kangaroo ♪ ♪ and they all went marching, marching in two by two ♪ ♪
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those roads were closed so long in advance of his motorcade that a very pregnant woman was stuck waiting. we're actually looking at a much older motorcade which we'll get to in a second. this is how they once were. let's talk about the one yesterday for a second, though. this pregnant woman was caught in the crossfire of these latest road closures for up to 30 minutes. and she was right across the street from cedars sinai. she wasn't in active labor as previously reported but it did spark some outrage. lots of road closures. pregnant lady okay, but still, whatever happened to chivalry. presidential transit has grown up and, well, just grown. we saw those old pieces of footage there and here they are again 1903. this is what motorcades looked like then. president teddy roosevelt was the president in that motorcade. he wrote the first official government automobile. a white stanley steamer. sweet ride. 1962, it looked like this.
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so much for seat belts. and here we are in 2014. a brave new beefed up security world. the presidential motorcade today is comprised of 20 to 30 vehicles. that includes both the secure package and lots and lots of members of the white house press corps. michael, karen, back wither panel. msnbc contributors both and dnc coms in her past and rnc leadership in his. is this too much or is this necessary? >> you know, having worked at the white house and had to deal with motorcades, i would say it really can be very inconvenient. i got stuck behind a motorcade today which was very inconvenient. but as you point out, a lot of it unfortunately has changeed specifically after the kennedy assassination. unfortunately, the security concerns have really -- you have an ambulance as part of the package. it's grown. there might be a way maybe to take a look and see if it could be shortened a little bit, but
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it can definitely be a pain in the you know what. >> you think they've gone too far? have motorcades spiraled out of control? >> it's another occurrence in d.c. but, yeah, i think karen is right. it has grown largely as a result of the assassination of president kennedy and the assassination attempts of ronald reagan, for example. so they've grown. there's more security in it. it's one of those inconveniences of life. we want to protect our president. and i think that that's an important part of -- >> it's one of our most important goals. it's grumbling on the hill about it. >> reporters never -- reporters, of course, have to be there. >> of course. the most important part. >> karen finney, michael steel, always grace to have you guys. secretary of state john kerry presents his cease-fire plan to israel and hamas. the latest from the ground and the latest in the world's most dangerous legal debate. are these war crimes? stay with us. obsessed with turbo?
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the middle east. we are waiting to hear from secretary of state john kerry on hissest esffort to broker an israeli-hamas ceasefehr. the blood shed is raging on with palestinians in the west bank calling for a day of rage in protest. at least two have been killed in those clashes. tensions exploded on the shelling of a united nations school which, by which side we don't know for sure at this point. both have blamed the other. first up, the latest from the ground from ayman mohyeldin. he's an the phone from gaza. ayman? >> ronan, right now as you mentioned, everybody here is kind of waiting to see if there is going to be some kind of cease-fire or truce announced this evening. it would certainly be welcome news for the people here who have endured so much. today the focus has been on the shelling of the u.n. school being used as a shelter. as it stands right now, the
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united nations is still sticking to its story saying that all indications suggest the shelling was coming from the israeli side and they do believe that it was an israeli shell that hit the united nations courtyard that killed at least 16 people, including women and children. in addition to that, they say this would have been the fourth -- hello? >> we've got you, ayman. >> sorry. i was saying the u.n. says this is the fourth such attack in as many days. now the israeli military were contending that saying that there was a possibility that the rockets -- that what hit the school was a rocket from hamas that was fired and landed in the school inadvertently. they also told nbc news they were firing mortars in that region and could have been an errant mortar that landed at the school. they are not denying or claiming responsibility. they are leaving the door open it could have been one of that. s there been a list of things much more documented that they have struck including hospitals and homes and businesses of
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people. that has drawn more international outrage, particularly from u.n. agencies and aid organizations hire on the ground. the death toll now above 800 and has really put a lot of pressure on the health organizations here an the ground that are coping with that rose in casualties. >> ayman mohyeldin from gaza, thank you for that. the scope of devastation in the middle east right now is hard to fathom. 836 palestinians killed in gaza. on the other side, 34 israeli soldiers died in this operation. this week, u.n. human rights council announced it's investigating both sides for war crimes. important to note that body has a troubled history of focusing exclusively on israel, but it does raise an underlying, important question. are these in fact, war crimes? on either side? and if so, should that change how the world acts? joining me is professor gabriela bloom, a former attorney for the israel defense forces and professor of humanitarian law at harvard. thank you professor bloom.
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there are three important legal standards to look at under the geneva conventions. distunks between humanitarians and civilians. proportionality of the violence and precautions taken against the effects of these kinld kin s of attacks. is there any way that could count as distinguishing between human beings, civilians and combatants? >> let's start with what the laws of war of trying to do. the laws of war have a herculean task of trying to take what's an abnormal situation where violence, deadly violence is the norm rather than the exception and try to still subject it to certain rules and limits so that people can be lawfully or unlawfully killed or die. and looking just at the death toll doesn't really tell you much about whether crimes were
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committed or not. so for comparison sake, think about policing operations on the streets of new york. if any person is killed by police forces, especially that person was unarmed, we assume something went really wrong. and it begs an explanation. begs an investigation. perhaps accountability. that's not the case in war. so the fact that you see people die and even perhaps a significant number of people die still doesn't answer the question whether war crimes were actually committed. >> you say the death toll doesn't tell the whole story but it speaks to this legal question of proportionality. 836 palestinians killed. 34 israeli soldiers. how can any argument be made for proportionality here? >> i agree with you, it begs both questions of distinction and proportionality. on the distinction side, the law says you're never allowed to target any civilian intentionally, even one civilian killed intentionally is a war crime. so, you know, attacks on israeli
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civilians or israeli towns by hamas rockets cannot be considered war crimes in terms of being intentional targeting of civilians. then you raise the -- by the way, it's also possible the war incidents where civilians were targeted intentionally by israeli forces, and if that really happened, accountability is called for. you are right that the principle that sort of is more questioned here is the principle proportionality. what does it say? it says that civilians can be harmed as long as they were not the intended target. as long as they were not the intended target, you may impose some collateral harm on civilians, as long as that harm is not successive. >> when you hear stories of families breaking fast in their homes, not part of any military compound, being killed, we were just seeing this story of a family of eight all killed at
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just such a moment. how could that be just acceptable collateral? >> so i don't want to comment on any particular incident because i don't have the facts. but i do want to say you are right that it certainly legs questions and these questions need to be answered. so the principle says you shouldn't ever aim at harming civilians. but it says more than that. you should aim not to harm civilians which means not only should you try to avoid any intentional harm but you are under an obligation to take as many precautions as possible to avoid civilian casualties. >> and professor on that point of avoiding casualties it goes to the final point of precautions. how can, even with some warnings from israelis, israel claims to be taking adequate precautions. >> it's not clear that the only relevant precaution here when we
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effect precaution, a humanitarian quarter outside of gaza. what you often need to do and israel did do in some cases is provide early warning. ask people to evacuate the area. warn them against impending attacks. there are issues about which muningmun ing itions were used, what kind of intelligence was known to the soldiers operating in the field. i also think that all these precautions, even if warnings were given do not exhaust the conversation. so the big challenge for the idf in this operation, at least according to the israeli government, has been the human shields question. what happens when hamas either uses people, innocent people or prevent them from leaving as quote/unquote human shields, and we have seen -- >> and there are, it seems, using some hospitals. we don't know about schools yet. >> hospitals and schools, at least the secretary-general of the u.n. came out after the incident and said, or before the
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incident and said we're troubled by information that schools are being used as weapons depots and launching pads for attacks on israeli soldiers. >> the question is, does that then justify the proportions we're seeing? this is an incredibly complex legal question. i do really appreciate it. i'd love to have you back. >> thank you. stay with us. up next, we are looking at another offensive in the middle east that has been under reported. a country in flames with huge games being made right now by isis militants. launching assaults that have killed two generals just in the last few days. yes, we're going to syria. stay with us. so what's this? check it out. i just saved 15% on car insurance in 15 minutes, so i took a selfie to show everyone how happy i am. really? because esurance saved me money in half that time. can i...? oh you can be in it! no need to photo-bomb me. hashbrown. selfie. yeah... that's not how it works.
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stronger. the most receipt offensive has killed a string of top military and government officials in just the last few days. this isis rein of terror is fueled by its recruitment efforts around the world. vocativ takes you inside the high recruitment drive. there's a lot packed into this story. you may notice more when you go back and watch it on our website.
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>> this is what we are up against. thank you to vocativ for risking everything for that report. wo we are back with gabriela bloom. how do you address these international recruitment efforts legally speaking? you have difficulties with free speech for instance, taking don t down the content off social media. what's the next logical step? >> this requires cooperation among countries to decide what the rules are and what they allow and don't allow. currently it's up to basically any particular state to decide what it allows its citizens, where tarks lous its citizens to go or what to do.
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obviously, you know if you know somebody is about to commit war crimes or crimes against humanity, you need to take steps but there isn't sort of a general prohibition on people going and joining other militaries and/or paramilitary groups until, you know, the international community comes together and decides to place such a ban. i don't see it. >> there's so much at stake with the atrocities in this region especially for women. this week we heard reports in mosul, there may be an order for mass female genital mutilation. does the extent of atrocities here amount to war crimes? >> i think no question, war crimes and crimes against humanity. it's not surprising that women are sort of the first line of victims. they are victims often in this area, regardless of armed conflict. it's not surprising in an armed conflict they'll be even more vulnerable. women are the primary victims but there are so many others who suffer by these rebel groups that it's really heartbreaking.
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>> professor gabriela bloom, appreciate your insights throughout today's show. the biggest geek fest of the year is going on right now in san diego. but there's a dark side to comic-con. we'll explain right after the broadcast. woooo. i know what you're thinking. you're thinking beneful. [announcer]and why wouldn't he be? beneful has wholesome grains,real beef,even accents of spinach,carrots and peas. it has carbohydrates for energy and protein for those serious muscles. [guy] aarrrrr! [announcer]even accents of vitamin-rich veggies. [guy] so happy! you love it so much. yes you do! but it's good for you,too. [announcer] healthful. flavorful. beneful. from purina.
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reuters and others are carrying it already. secretary of state john kerry proposed a temporary week-long cease-fire that would have started sunday. not good news for anyone. now turning to a dark issue where you might not expect it. comic-con. yes, that beautiful time of year when the definitely not nerdy folks of the world come together dressed in business attire. 130,000 people are expected to converge on san diego for this year's con. did you know there is that dark side there?
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this time a big protest brewing about sexual harassment at this event. a group called geeks for consent, get it, has collected 2500 signatures asking organizers to create a formal anti-harassment policy. kalg can we get our nerd on without discriminating? is it unexpected to see sexual harassment at such a beautiful embracing open-minded setting? >> let me just say that it made perfect stoens follow up the rejection of a cease-fire with comic-con because anyone who knows knows comic-con is the gaza of geekdom.
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i think the popularity has brought in the excitement of geeks and neareds geeks or dweebs would harass a woman. our dream is to actually build a girl robot and harass her, see? >> you know, why is it whenever i have you on the show people start coming out with their personal fantasies. it's a great thing you should be on all the time. >> i just want to say this about the harassment that's happening there. i say that if a woman is not wearing a burqa, she's asking for it. >> so the wonder woman -- >> we should have had you on for the last segment. how did we not think to have you on for in war crimes discussion. >> a reporter with a magazine whose name we cannot say on daytime tv but it rhymes with witch did her own online survey of 3600 people. 59% agreed that sexual harassment is a problem at comic-con. 25% say they've been sexually
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harassed in the comic-con industry and they've made unwanted comments about them. they're not wearing burqas but, am i right? the comic industry needs to modernize. >> as a feminist, that's the first place we need to start. we need to get right there at comic-con. that's the important issue in terms of sexualknow, i'm really all the money that they spent getting their women's study degree from smith has come in handy. >> we did reach out to comic-con for a statement. we didn't hear back. they said the safety of their attendees is a priority of theirs. are they doing enough? >> listen, no one's doing enough. here's the thing. i'm serious. no one is doing enough about this. i'm going to be very honest and serious. let me just say it's kind of cool that we're talking about this because what you're seeing is change is coming to a lot of places, and people are having a great deal of difficulty dealing with the change that's coming.
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now, you know -- >> and i love the gender change here. this was once viewed as very much a guy thing. >> and that's the problem. >> now it's people like leah on tv talking about comic-con. >> therein lies the problem. whenever you had something where there was one type of person and this was considered a dude thing, now you have people coming in and you have to learn how to adapt to that. listen, to all of my geeks and dweebs out there, okay, as a fellow geek and dweeb, let me just say, change is coming. i would say this in klingon to make it more comfortable, but change is coming. listen, captain america is black. thor is a woman. >> we've talked about this, leah. archie was murdered defending a gay guy. >> change is coming, and the world is looking to us to tell them how to deal with it. >> we're mostly looking -- >> even if it's not actually coming in the real world, at least it's being drawn in comics. it's been drawn collectly.
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>> exactly. >> that is a priority for all of us. i hope we've drawn you correctly today. thank you, both of you. appreciate it. live long and prosper. i do not recall the volkan greeting. >> this is it. >> you know what? >> i'm going to give you the volkan mind meld. >> that wraps things up. good-bye, my dear. that wraps things up. thank you for joining us. all right. "the reid report" is up next. joy reid. how are you? i know you've got a serious issue to cover right now. >> yes, indeed. quite a change of gears coming. next on "the reid report," we are following breaking news this hour, including in the middle east where there are reports that israel has rejected a cease-fire deal. this as the death toll in the israeli-palestinian conflict nears 1,000. also, president obama meeting with central american heads of state to discuss the humanitarian crisis at the border. and this week we talk a lot about police and the deadly use
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with humira, remission is possible. we start with breaking news. multiple reports not yet confirmed by nbc news that israel's security cabinet as rejected the latest attempt to broker a peace deal over the violence in gaza, which now has spread to the west bank and east jerusalem. we're hoping to hear from secretary of state john kerry at some point today to get an update on his negotiations with israeli and palestinian leaders. the deal is reported to begin with a week-long temporary truce, but also reportedly was contingent upon hamas allowing israeli troops to remain in gaza to continue destroying the militants' vast array of tunnels. it's a tough sale as palestinian protests continue to spill over to what had been a relatively peaceful west bank. after two people were killed there on thursday during massive protests over the bombing of a
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u.n. school that had been sheltering gaza families. >> that's a responsibility thing to kill the children, the old women and what? >> that u.n. attack not only killed at least 16 people, it also underlined just how much of the brunt of this war has been bourn by gaza's civilian population. while 37 israelis, mostly soldiers, have died to date, more than 800 palestinians are dead. and the u.n. reports today that 150,000 people are living in shelters. that's a 50% increase from earlier this week and includes more than 8% of gaza's population. israel and its defenders argue that hamas uses civilian areas as camouflage and its missiles and tunnel warfare intentionally target israeli civilians. a senior correspondent with global post joins me now from the phone in jerusalem. can you give us a sense of what's happening on the ground there now? >> yeah, hi.
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