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so let's simplify things. let's close the gap between people and care. welcome to "taking the hill," i'm patrick murphy. we have a big show in front of us today. another compelling documentary produced in part by the wounded warrior project and a we salute you you don't want to miss. first, hot spots around the world today are leading the headlines. the crisis in gaza. ukraine and the downing of mh-17 and iraq under siege again. joining me is an iraq war veteran and captured in the
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hawaiian national guard. congresswoman, thank you so much for joining me today. >> thank you. great to be here. >> there was a cease-fire announced between hamas and israel. that cease-fire looks to be broken. we know that secretary of state john kerry is working overtime to broker these types of deals. what is the likelihood that we could find peace there? >> it's such a difficult and heartbreaking situation for all of us to see what is happening there for the people on both sides who are being affected by this conflict. and it's difficult to see a way through it because you have a situation where israel is dealing with the terrorist organization whose stated mission is to objectobliterate. >> and what you see on the ground in gaza is there has
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been over 1,000 palestinians mostly civilians killed. there's been over 40 israelis killed. mostly they were soldiers. i know when i was in bag badhdad, a lot of time we would get incoming and as a soldier you have a right to self-defense. we would go and target back and find out that it would be firing artillery rounds right near hospitals and schools so there would be collateral damage. is the collateral damage that we're seeing in gaza at an acceptable level, do you think, when we have over 1,000? >> it's such a hard question that you're asking because you're dealing with the terrorist organization that is seeking to exploit the sense of morality that israel has or any of these other countries, as you just mentioned. you have terrorists trying to capitalize on that and for them those means justify their end state. that lack of care for the loss of life of woman machineen and children
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and innocent civilians. you're dealing with a terrorist organization that puts weapons cache from very dense civilian centers, from schools, from hospitals, from places of worship. and that's really where i think you're seeing such a disproportionate sense of civilian casualties. >> you heard a report that the u.n. found a cache of weapons at some of these abandoned schools. we really appreciate you being with us tie day. we had a civilian airliner mh-17 that was shot down over ukraine. reports are that it was by the separatists. hundreds of civilians were murdered. the same thing happened almost 21 years ago. in 1983 you had a korean airliner that was shot down and killed more than 271 people.
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62 civilians were u.s. americans, including a congressman. the president at the time was ronald reagan. ronald reagan did not call for military action or sanctions. do you think president obama will go to the right of ronald reagan? >> i think what we've seen from the president is he has connist sently called for more sanctions. i think that we as the united states can do more and we need to do more in concert with our european allies and partners. while i agree that it's clear that russia is both directly and indirectly responsible for the plane shot down by separatists, we've got to look at this in a bigger picture. this was on the ukraine sovereignty and any conventional warfare tactics used in invading ukraine cannot be countered by ukraine. so we've got to look to see what
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support we can give through taking action through very harsh financial and economic sanctions against russia but also seeing what kind of military aid, training, and equipment we can provide to the ukrainians and others so they can counter these tactics with unconventional warfare because that's the obama way that russia will get this message that this is not something. >> there'sing about news today on ukraine in "the new york times." there's report that the pentagon and cia are developing plans to provide ukraine with specific locations of the russian-backed separatist military systems. the intelligence officials say that they saw russia firing into ukraine artillery shells and should the u.s. be actively engaged in this conflict? >> yeah. again, i think that there are certain types of support that we can and should be providing to
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ukraine and to others in the region bordering russia that are concerned that they are the one who is are next and that's where we have to look at this that is just not about russia and u krean and ukraine is it's clear that it will continue and others will be threatened. >> we should stand and arm u krean and ukraine and get involved in this military conflict. it's not checkers. when you have russia that has been somewhat helpful to the united states and syria getting rid of the chemical weapons there, for the most part and then also the major work that they are helping to do in iran for the disarmament of their nuclear program, are these the issues that you have to deal with every day on the foreign relations committee and are you getting paid enough? >> pay is the least of my concerns absolutely. but the global foreign policy that we have to consider really does include all of these
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different implications. first and foremost as we make a decision about where and when to get involved as the united states, whether it means through sanctions or some limited military support, the first question that we have to ask is what is in the best interests of the united states and what's in the best interest of keeping the american people safe? all of these situations are not the same. and as you know they are moth black and white and every one of them have to be considered. but with a very clear foreign policy and strategy in mind. >> yeah. and that end game is critically important because, as we saw in eye being ra iraq, there wasn't really a clear objective unless, of course, you want to argue that there were weapons of mass destruction and that connection with 9/11 was a fallacy. >> and to follow through on that, one thing that we also saw that went wrong in iraq and as we're seeing that these questions are not being asked by
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ourself, what are the second third, and fourth actions and effects that impact us? if we take action a, what are the next consequences or steps that could occur which is why we found ourself in such a protracted conflict with iraq. you create that vacuum of leadership. it's filled by others who do not have that same intent in mind of a peaceful and stable country. you see that happening in libya right now as we speak. as we look at the broader picture, these are the things that we absolutely must keep in mind. >> especially keeping in mind the 700 troops that are in iraq right now. and with isis and everything else. i appreciate that you're going to stay with us. we have a lot more to cover. after the recent v.a. scandal, now the bill on the hill has stalled. what happened? next, make sure that you can join in the conversation joining the #takingthehill. [ female announcer ] it's simple physics... a body at rest tends
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welcome back. there's just one week to go before congress leaves washington for its august recess and it now appears that a chance for a v.a. reform bill is all but impossible. the v.a. scandal across the country was exposed three months ago. secretary shinseki resigned two months ago. tens of thousands of veterans are it waingwaiting to see a health care provider. is this really a time for political fight? joining me now is congressman who serves in the international guard and still with us is
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tulsi gabbard, a veteran and hawaii national captain. you both have a perspective as two of you are one of the only few veterans that serve in congress. 40 years ago, frankly, four in five members of congress were veterans. now it's one in five. so you have a firsthand knowledge of how this affects our veterans. but congressman, the v.a. reform bill, does it have a shot to pass before the august recess? and what is holding it up? >> well first off, thanks for having me. and thank you both for your service and tulsi, for your continued service as well. what we have is an agreed upon framework right now in conference committee. it was bipartisan. there's just a bit of a battle now between this $17 billion additional appropriation that
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the senate is trying to include in this. and from our perspective, let's go ahead with the agreed upon framework and let's talk about the $17 billion and where that comes down and what we need. we got a one-page explanation of why the v.a. requested that. i think we can move forward this coming week. i hope so. i'm optimistic. if we don't, we ought to get this thing done. i'm not as pessimistic as a lot of people are. there's a lot more bipartisanship in washington than people think and i think this is one opportunity where we can show that in a very public way. >> well, we're pulling for you. 24 million veterans are pulling for you as well. what is the impact of the bill on the backlog and what does your bill do, congresswoman? >> basically, i authored this bill the act now for veterans
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bill. kinzinger is a co-author of this bill. because of the issue in each of our community, we have veterans waiting months and sometimes years for care. in my state of hawaii we had a veteran waiting since 2006 to see a doctor within the first time. the bureaucracy has the ability to it's a temporary solution to this very urgent crisis of veterans waiting for care where it would allow a veteran to take their veterans' identification card see a doctor within their community, get the care that they need and deserve and be assured that the v.a. will avoid for it eliminating them in the way of getting the care.
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>> congressman, when you look at the footprint of the military about 5.5 million veterans served in vietnam and 2.6 served in our wars of iraq and afghanistan. that's less than 1% of the american population now. as you look at more privatization, is it the bigger solution here in the long run or what are your thoughts? >> look, i think in the long run we have to look at options like that. i think the v.a. obviously should stay in tact and just get better at what it does. number one, the administration should have the opportunity to fire people that work for the v.a. instead of having to shuffle them around which exists today. but i think tulsi's bill is a great way to deal with the short term now as we deal with the long-term issue. less and less people are serving in the military. it's not a bad thing because we needless people to be able to do
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that. but it also is a problem in that not as many americans understand firsthand the experience that veterans go through when they come home some of the struggles that they have to fight with and some of the difficulties in getting into the v.a. and taken care of. that's why we have to help people to understand the sacrifice that less and less americans are making. i'm a believer in the military because as a major in the military, i want everybody who serves under me to have chosen to be there. >> it's less than 1% of american who is have served in this. the longest in american history. i know we're wrapping up. but congresswoman, you two are working across the aisle for this bill. republican and democrat. do you feel that it's just lip service that you're supporting the veterans? >> i think this absolutely is an area where there has been a lot of bipartisan outrage and ire at what we're seeing has been
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occurring for far too long and both adam and i sponsoring this bill is one example. the key is to be able to actually follow that through to the end, pass a bill before congress goes into recess in august so we can start this very difficult process of conducting a comprehensive overhaul of the v.a. there's a lot to be done. >> yeah. well, thank you, could be gres man kinzinger congresswoman gabbard, thank you. employees who did one extraordinary deed. use the #takingthehill. take an idea and make it happen. i'm janet long and i formed my toffee company through legalzoom. i never really thought i would make money doing what i love. we created legalzoom to help people start their business and launch their dreams.
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when his wheelchair took apart. three employees at that lowe's saw what happened and immediately went to work inside the store. they took the broken wheelchair completely apart assuring him that they were making it as good as new. they vowed not to leave the job until it was done. they stayed 45 minutes after closing time to help a veteran in need. this is the epitome of doing something not for the attention but simply because it was the right thing to do. we salute you. up next a story about a quest for independence. you're watching "taking the hill" on msnbc. but her knee pain returns... that's two more pills. the evening's event brings laughter, joy, and more pain... when jamie says... what's that like six pills today? yeah... i can take 2 aleve for all day relief. really, and... and that's it. this is kathleen... for my arthritis pain, i now choose aleve. get all day arthritis pain relief
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we let them go home with their families and never leave their house or bedroom, we are warehousing them. and that is a horrendous end to a warrior who has sacrificed already so much. so we can enjoy all of the things that we should be helping them enjoy in life, too. >> it was heartbreaking when dennis first came home to st. louis because he couldn't get out of bed. he couldn't stand, he fell all the time. it was important for dennis to learn independence because this is my 38-year-old son and it was demeaning for him and he was angry, very angry. for dennis to take a bath, i'd
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wheel him in strip down all of his clothes, i have to wipe my son, do everything like he was a little boy again and then i'd get him into the bath and then i'd wash his face and wash his hair and i'd have to turn him around and wash his back because he couldn't do any of this stuff, none of it. there was times that you could see the pain in dennis' face because he was so demoralized. his mom has to do this for him. he hated it. and i hated it for him. and then one day he told me i want to do this by myself. and i said okay but i stood right there. and little by little i would take away my help. he says if i fall let me fall and let me pick myself up.
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and the first time that dennis was able to shower by himself, i started crying because the grim on his face was like you had given him a million dollars. and he said see, mom, i told you i could do it, and he could. >> good morning, pumpkin. >> good morning. >> how did you sleep last night? >> good. >> are you ready to take your pill and medication? >> yes, ma'am. >> i shake my ass out of bed, take a shower by then the morning is up.
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>> which one? which one is this? i forget. >> wednesday. >> p.m. okay. >> i like to be independent enough to not rely on other people to help me do little things. but i shake all the time. and when i focus too much on the shaking and how to stop it it gets worse. and frustrating. it really is. but i'm working on it. >> you think that's from your son? >> look at your grandson. >> well at least his head band
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matches his tie. so are you ready for this weekend? >> yeah. >> first year grandma's coming from hawaii and then your kids are coming. there's about 89 people that have said that they are going to come but they are all coming to celebrate your birthday. i think that's good dennis. everybody that is coming is helping you get to the point that you are today, you know, your doctors, your trainers i made out their names in hawaiian so we have their hawaiian names. everyone is going to have hawaiian names on the table. >> thank god for the internet. >> see, that's the dennis that i know. >> dennis was born on maui and then we moved to the big island. living in hawaii you're surrounded by water and dennis very much loved the water. in high school he surfed a lot. in fact he almost didn't graduate because he kept skipping school. >> if the surf was up i was
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gone. >> see ya. >> my father was 82nd airborne and he was a p.o.w. for a while. when my father died it was very hard on dennis. and i think part of him wanted to carry on with that to make his grandfather proud. >> that was combat engineer. that's what i went into the army for. i decided that i have a family now. less of a combat role. so i changed to truck driver. i thought, nothing ever happens to them. unless you're in a war zone. we ran convoys at night. the idea was they can't shoot at
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what they can't see. but they didn't have to shoot. just leave an ied on the side of the road blow it up. just a shockwave went through my head rattled at my brain and left. and i just saw a whole wall of fire. >> after he was wounded, he wouldn't tell people about the problems he had swallowing. he was throwing up. he had headaches and he was dizzy and his moods were from extreme high to extreme low. but he felt like they were going to judge him and if he's going to go complain that this is going on that they will kick him out and that was his biggest fear. >> i got so used to hiding
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everything and i just kept going. ramadi falluja, kuwait. they were like we can send you to kuwait to get an mri. i said, [ bleep ] that. i'm not leaving my homies. >> a traumatic brain injury is not like missing a leg or arm. >> i had slurred speech blurred vision. >> it's scary because the brain is not something they know 100% about. so you just deal with it every day on different scales. >> when i look back and reflect, i want to go back to combat for
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18 years. that's all i knew. and when i had to leave the military, i felt like my life was over. >> dennis started drinking and then it got worse. and he ended up in a rehab center. and he was very very lonely and met this girl online and married her and they moved back to hawaii where we're from. >> i was taking a lot of medicine. and it made me a zombie. >> my biggest fear was suicide, honestly. because he would say things like, i can't deal with this stuff anymore. there's no sense in me living any longer. we found dennis at this veterans' home. it's not a v.a. home. >> it was an old folks home.
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i was 38. and the first thing that popped into my head was, what the hell am i doing here? you've got death all around you, all of these people that are really old came here to die. >> i walk into the dining area and there's dennis sitting at a table. and he can't control his right hand and he's trying to eat with his left. no assistance nobody to help him. it was probably -- it was probably the worst thing i've ever seen in my life to walk in that place and you see these people that have messed all over themselves, thrown up they are 80, 90 years old and i'm looking for my 38-year-old son. i vowed from that day forward, whatever it was going to take i was getting him out of there.
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yes, i'm calling in regards to dennis. i want to change from his psychiatrist that he has to another. i'd like to request a different one. it should be more specialized care. it's not one-on-one. >> what is important for caregivers to realize is the son i said good-bye to who went to war, that son is dead. he's gone. i had to learn to adapt to my new son, to his different personality, his anger. >> he was injured november 10th, 2006 by ied in iraq. >> at first i used to take it personally. because i thought, what am i doing wrong? i'm doing everything for my son. i love him. doesn't he appreciate what i'm doing? and then it donned on me that they take it out on you because
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you are there. i thought i was prepared but i was very unprepared. i didn't know where to go. i didn't know who to talk to. i'm helping my son but there's nobody to help me or him. >> yeah we'll have dennis there. do you want him to use his walker or cane? >> when i called wounded warrior project, i said i don't know what to do. the next day we had an appointment with the v.a. for neurologist, for pt o.t. all of the things that i couldn't get done in a month happened in one day. >> i don't think anyone recovers from an injury with the idea that they are going to live in an institution but the hardest part of recovery is when we actually discharge someone and that's when we support them the least and that's where the independence program can step in and help figure out what the next phase of their life is going to be. >> many times our injured veterans are emersed into a program that's being told to them, the doctors say, you need to do this. the pt says you need to do this. speech says you need to do this.
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o.t. says you need to do this. but nobody is really looking at how does it fit into the veterans' real world. so when i meet my warriors through the independence program for wounded warrior project, i say to them this is your program. what do you want to accomplish? >> how are you doing today? >> i'm doing better here now that you're here. >> what a gorgeous day you ordered for me. >> i actually ordered it in november. >> you did? >> and it just showed up. >> it was a little late. we started last year for the independence program. you had just moved here didn't have any friends and were looking for ways to go out and meet people and now you have this huge group of friends. i've met a lot of them. and so we need to talk about what does independence look like moving forward to you get my own
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place. >> the first words you said to me was, i don't want to live with my mom. >> exactly. >> and so you're in your own space, what do you need? >> whatever is in the fridge. >> how does the food get to the fridge? >> good question. >> uh-huh. have you ever really gone grocery shopping for yourself before? >> yeah. >> yeah? >> okay. >> i could walk then, though. >> right. okay. so that's what i'm going to kind of coach and gently push you on are those kinds of goals. you're willing to try? >> yeah. >> after the break, dennis says thank you to the people who helped him. rbo. why are we so obsessed with turbo? because we like giving you power but we also like giving you fuel efficiency. like the sporty jetta. and the turbocharged passat tdi® clean diesel.
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wounded warrior project. >> hold on to the poles for me. stand up. use your legs. legs. drive. good. step. take your time. keep a slight bend in those needs. >> jerry's cool. he's driven and focused like i am. >> did you bring a water today? >> i'm in the water. >> you know what i'm talking about. [ laughter ] >> yeah. in my bag. >> all right. all right. let's start walking right over here. >> i walked the length of the pool. >> got it? >> back and forth. >> right now i just want you on the side of the rail. >> you land on your heel and up on your toe and then keep going. >> one foot in front of the other. take your time. >> you know in the back of your mind you've done it for 39
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years. they trust me with weapons. they would send me to war. >> give me two more step steps. two more. >> and now i'm a little kid. i've got to learn how to walk. what's up with that? >> good. step. >> i always want you to plant that foot down and get a good base before you move to the next one. you got it? >> got it. all right. don't force it. feel it. good. >> breathe. still take your time. >> there was a time where you were using your hand more than anything and now look at you. add another year or two and think about where you're going
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to be. another one. stop. that took a lot out of you, didn't it? good job. relax. i'm going to swim now, all right? >> i love the water. it feels like home. it's like a shot of adrenaline. i don't hear anything but my heartbeat. and the only thing i think about is how far can i go while holding my breath. just makes me feel alive. a little. that's the ticket. when i dream about surfing, it's like heaven.
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i dream of taking the bottom turn and pulling into a tube shooting it and coming out clean. every time. but it's -- it's just a dream. >> dennis' children live in nebraska with his first ex-wife, with their mother. and after dennis married this other woman, he didn't see his son for a long time which was very hard because they were so close. >> you've gotten so big. >> my kids are coming to celebrate my birthday. my younger one is draiden. she's 9. she's going on 30. and my oldest is dennis jr.
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he's 16. he's a good kid. they both are. >> my sister was born while my dad was overseas so i don't think it's really as hard for her but i was with my dad for probably about the first seven years of my life and then he got deployed to iraq and kuwait. i remember him being gone and missing him. for a while i was mad at him. he just want in my life for a period of time and i kind of blamed him nor leaving us and not being there to like help me. i hope me and my dad's relationship gets stronger. >> dennis jr. is exactly like his father. sarcastic, raw sense of humor, and drayden is like a little princess. >> she has my hair. curly and she doesn't like to comb it.
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love it. my favorite thing about being a dad is seeing what i've done and what i could do better. or what i should do better. i want to show my children i can do it. because if i can do it then she can do it. to show them how i've progressed. because ultimately, they are the reason. >> i think we all want our children to grow up to be independent. i don't want a mama's boy and he doesn't want to be a mama's boy.
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>> i want a space away from my mom. >> are you ready to look at your new addition? >> oh yes. >> here's the existing house and here's the new addition. this shows your living room area and a bathroom. >> i want a studio bedroom for dennis. an architect has donated his time. we're on a fixed income and there's no way we could afford this. >> these pictures from your bed towards the kitchenette. >> i'll get you a microwaveable cookbook for your microwave. >> i'd like that. >> i have a question. >> okay. >> where are me and my brother in this -- like where will we be sleeping if we were to come to visit? >> well we have this existing bedroom which would be more than enough space for you two. but i have a feeling you'd be spending a lot of time with your dad because look at that
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equipment he has in his room. >> when do we start? ♪ ♪ >> we're doing a lua to give back to all the people that helped him from the time he arrived here. whether it was the p.t. or gym or friends or people that were just there that meant a great deal. >> it gives me a chance to say thank you. and show them how far i've come. >> today is dennis' 40th birthday! >> woo! >> to me, this is a milestone. it's not just 40 years. it is a whole new rebirth of a year. i'm so grateful to have my son
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and have him healthy. >> want to say something to everyone? >> no. >> woo! >> let's hear it! >> what would you like to hear? i would like to say, mahalo for being here to celebrate my 40th birthday. ♪
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>> woo! >> 40! >> woo! >> let's go! you can do it! you can do it! >> yea! >> woo! ♪ >> you know my legs may not work all that well, but they work.
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it's all a process. i'll learn to use them again. and i'm willing to do that. i want to get to that point where i'm so independent, i do not need anyone. but everything comes with time and hard work. i've got to learn to walk again first. because with that, everything else is possible. >> dennis' journey for independence has been slow and very painful. with the help of his friends and family, he's working to get back on his feet, and he'll get there. this is "taking the hill."
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