♪ all day, israeli bombarded gaza. another u.n. school was hit. at least 15 of the 3,300 people sheltering inside were killed. >> hours later, another strike. this time at a popular shopping area. >> translator: it is enough, she cried out. have mercy. >> the ebola virus is considered out of control. >> two peace corps volumes are

in isolation before they can return to the united states. >> a victory for former minnesota governor jesse ventura. >> your pursue a lawsuit for the truth. if seeking the truth damages you, then we live in a pretty sorry world. >> day through of the corruption trial of the virginia governor bob mcdonald this morning. >> prosecutors say he gave mcdonald' his children more than $150,000 in gifts, trips, and loans. >> house voted heavily along party lines to sue the president of the united states. >> are you willing to let anyone tear apart what our founders have built? >> this is about the road to impeachment and if it is not, the speaker hasn't said one sentence, impeachment is off the table. >> we could do so much more if congress would just come on and help out a little bit, instead of just hating all the time. come on! let's get some work done together!

good morning! >> we need to be more focused on your job. >> i'm so glad you're here, speaking of! you know what? you're doing your job. i think i might see you. >> i've always been here. >> good morning, everyone. >> in spirit. >> with us on set, joe! and we have former communications director for president george w. bush nicole wallace and co-host of "the cycle" ari melber and in washington, jeremy peters, along with willie, joe, and me. i'm gone soon. i'm out of here. i am leaving you guys alone for a long time. >> i bet you still watch "grease" don't you? >> i love the originals. i don't like the sequels. downhill fast. >> you're a travolta girl? >> and olivia. you got to love "the j."

i want to start in the middle east. israeli is reinforcing its ranks despite some of the obama administration strongest criticism yet over fallout from its ongoing war with hamas. overnight israeli announced plans to call up another 16,000 reserves, bringing the total number to ruffle 86,000. the move follows a violent day of clashes that saw at least 15 palestinians killed during shelling at a united nations school serving as a shelter. now israeli says it did not target the school. and was responding to hamas attacks without specifically blaming israeli. the white house condemned the deadly attack. the sixth time a u.n. school was struck. a u.n. spokesman said israeli was told 17 times the school was serving as a shelter. >> we will soon have a situation where tens of thousands of people, if they continue to leave their homes in the streets of gaza without food, without water, without shelter, serious

chances that communicable diseases will break out. this is beyond i'm afraid to say we have reached a breaking point and it's time for the parties of this conflict to accept their responsibilities to the civilians caught up in this conflict. >> separate strike in gaza left 11 members of one family dead, including eight women and two children. joining us now from gaza, msnbc foreign correspondent, ayman mohyeldin. >> reporter: before you came to us a mile or so down that road, there was a strike. the smoke was just billowing and not sure what the intended target was. we heard the smoke billowing as a result of. it gives you a sense the operation is still ongoing. there has been no lull in the fighting that is taking place here. israeli has continued to carry out strikes throughout the course of the night and into the early morning. according to palestinian sources, both health officials

and hamas' political wing. at the same time, that incident that happened yesterday, one that is drawing international condemnation from the united nations and human rights experts the attack at the u.n. school who have heard the israeli response saying there was fighting taking place in the vicinity of the school, the reaction from the human rights organizations and others that is not enough to say fighting taking place in the vicinity of the school is not legitimate reason to target the school itself. in addition to that, yesterday, also later in the afternoon, another very deadly incident taking place at a market. one that killed at least 15 palestinians that, again, palestinian sources were blaming on israeli shelling of the area and according to witnesses there, was consistent with artillery fire but so a very bloody day yesterday and one, as of now, seems to be in the same way, mika? >> ayman, joe scarborough here. you have the attacks on the u.n. schools even after the united nations warns israeli 17 times not to have the strikes there.

there is not the ambiguity there was at a previous attack we were all talking about where israeli gave four days warning. and then in this crowded marketplace as well as, a popular marketplace, another attack there. is there anyplace, if i'm a father and i've got young children, is there any place i can go in gaza to protect my family? >> reporter: joe, the short answer to that is absolutely not. and we have documented this on more than one occasion. we have interviewed families and, in this case, fathers who have taken their families out of neighborhoods that the israelis told them to leave. they followed the israeli military's instructions and fame into gaza city home to 500,000 people and thought they would be safe and they took refugee in

buildings. turned out in an apartment building or or that apartment complex or on that street a target that the israelis wanted to target unbeknown as to them the building was hit and this one father lost his two children, his wife, his sister, his entire extended family and stores like that all over gaza city. the short answer, joe, is no. >> i read your article, a man that did exactly what the israelis wanted him to do. exactly. he moved to the right place. he stayed out of the war zones. he did everything he could to protect his wife, and i think she was a pregnant wife and family, and they were all killed in an air strike. willie, there is literally no place. ayman, go ahead. i'm sorry. >> reporter: joe, this was a guy who is educated. he is not a member of any political faction here. he worked at a bank. he had traveled abroad. he had the option to work abroad but wanted to stay in gaza to be here close to his extended

family and raise his children and he has now lost his entire family at the end of the day. people say what does that mean for a future generation of palestinians and how is all of this trauma going to harden the belief of palestinians who the international community constantly tries to nudge and making peace in israeli and a father loses his family and own feelings are challenged and hardened by all of this. >> it's willie, ayman. as we pull the lens back and look wider. a piece in "the new york times" talks about this coalition of arab states. they have effectively remained silent because they don't like hamas either. that is kind of viewed as de facto support of israeli. do you see that playing out at all across the region? >> reporter: absolutely. when you make the distinction, there's a difference between the arab street and arab regime.

there is support of them on the streets. what happened to the rise of egypt and rise of political parties across the region there has been a backlash from regimes in the region against hamas and others. as a result of that, they want to see hamas as a political organization weakened and so there is that de facto support for israeli. that doesn't mean they support the killing of palestinians but they definitely in the eyes of some of the regime, particularly in egypt a key broker along the political factions taking a step back and under criticism for not being that neutral or honest broker. there is a backlash against the political organization of hamas from among the regimes. the arab world has been relatively quiet. >> ayman, thank you. >> thank you so much, ayman.

just incredible reporting by ayman. nicole, let me ask you. we never talked about israeli before. i've always been, like, 100 supporter of israeli. the joke when i wanted a key to the tel aviv i could get a gold-plated one. i'm sorry. this is asinine. this continued killing of women and children in a way that appears to be indiscriminate is asinine. it is bad. of course, it's tragic for the palestinian people. it is bad for the israeli people. i mean, we will roo the day this is happening every day and women and children are being seen. you know what? as much as we all hate hamas, what is going to replace hamas is going to be much worse. it's going to be a radical islamist group instead of power hungry corrupt people that

despise israeli. this is such a nightmare that is unfolding and the biggest nightmare is that hamas was on the run! the arab states hate hamas. and israeli has made them not only relevant again but champs of the israeli people. this problem keeps unfolding and getting worse. >> i think israeli were calling it indiscriminate killing and they have been all over the air waves articulating what they are doing before a strike. >> they blew up a popular marketplace yesterday and they blew up a u.n. school where there were 17 warnings. 17. that is indiscriminate. you know what? we share israeli's values a hell of a lot, a lot more than the people than they are bombing but you know what? the united states of america, you know, we cannot be

associated with this if this continues. this is so bad, not only for the israeli people, but for us. >> and the article that willie references is stunning to me. i mean, when president bush was in office and violence erupted, as it often does in this part of the world, there was a whole lot of criticism. it was immediate. it was swift and it was harsh on israeli. >> right. >> from these nations, saudi arabia, jordan, uae. now, the disstain and the fear for hamas and for the muslim brotherhood in the region exceeds all of the mother-in-law outrage what you're seeing, what you described. >> mika, that is, again, the tragedy. egypt, saudi arabia, uae. a lot of other countries. jordan. a lot of other arab states, they want israeli to win in the struggle against hamas, as do

we. but there are better ways to do it than this. >> john kerry is being dragged down in it as well for highlighting hamas. i'm not sure exactly who is doing that. it seems if they keep going, they are too. let's get to some politics now. a lot of stories to get to here at home. before congress leaves for recess, relations are more strained in washington, if you can believe it. the house approved a lawsuit against president obama in a party line vote. the lawsuit centers on the president's executive actions which republicans say he has used to circumvent congress. john boehner -- >> the oath only refers to the constitution and our obligation to defend it. i said that with moments like this in mind, i said that knowing there would be times when we would have to do things we didn't come here to do, we didn't plan to do, and things that require us to consider

interests greater than our own interests. no member of this body needs to be reminded of what the constitution states about the president's obligation to faithfully execute the laws of our nation. are you willing to let any president choose what laws to execute and what laws to change? are you willing to let anyone tear apart what our founders have built? >> nancy pelosi blasted the move and president obama rifted on what went down as one of the least productive congresss in history. >> this lawsuit, you don't want to sue anybody unless you prove that they are wrong. this is about the road to impeachment and if it is not, the speaker can say one simple sentence, impeachment is off the table. that's what i had to say in 2007. that's what speaker boehner should be saying now. >> they have announced they are

going to sue me for taking executive actions to help people. so, you know, they are mad because i'm doing my job. and, by the way, i've told them, i said, i'd be happy to do it with you. so the only reason i'm doing it on my own is because you don't do anything. i mean, everybody recognizes the this as a political stunt. and, by the way, you know who is paying for this suit they are going to file? you! no, no. you're paying for it. and it's estimated by the time the thing was done, i would already have left office. >> wow. >> he seems to enjoying himself there a little bit. >> he actually sounded like "saturday night live."

>> delicious. >> ari, we have conflated impeachment for this lawsuit from speaker boehner and i think a lot of democrats are happy to do that in an election year. is there any merit -- impeachment, i think we all agree around this table is absurd and shouldn't happen. >> no, let's debate that point. nancy pelosi is right. i said it. >> save it for another show. >> just say impeachment is off the table. >> just say it. >> i think the lawsuit is valid. this president has been overturned by the supreme court a number of times and i guarantee you the constitutional law scholars out there would like to have the answer how much executive power he has to amend his own bill. >> not so much executive orders compared to -- the numbers through the roof. >> i'm not going to play little gals. if you're a constitutional law scholar, you want to know how much. it's a fascinating question. you can have the question but just say, willie, impeachment is off the table. >> that's where i was going. if we put impeachment to the side, ari melber, do you see any merit to the lawsuit john boehner brought to the table? is it an interesting question at

least? >> i think it's only at this level of what i would call good faith delays. they are trying to execute the law. it is true that you could test whether a president was using delays in such a long-term way if they were actually trying to circumvent the law. i think what the house republicans did was hire some lawyers to look at that really closely on a lot of issues. if you look at the early statements they were looking around the border stuff and other areas of executive power. this is all they came up with, this nothing burger. it's an expensive nothing burger as the president is pointing out and may be a time consuming one but, no, i don't think they will have a big ruling and it's knot a big constitutional case. this is mostly administrative law case and boring as it sounds. it's about the administration of rules and regulations proceed muscle gated under administrative procedures act. you can fall asleep real quick with that and i think why it has to be pitched politically as impeachment. >> i don't think i can fall asleep so quickly. i think a legitimate question what a president can and can't

aemed and i think it's a legitimate question. >> i think questions that president obama had all the time. i actually applaud speaker boehner for finding something so narrow and technical to test. many, many things in the law, as you can attest, are exactly that. so i actually think this showed a lot of restraint. >> shouldn't boehner, though, say impeachment is off the table? >> absolutely. >> why won't he do that? >> i think he essentially has. he attacked the notion of it last week. you got nancy pelosi and shanahanity calling impeachment ludicrous. >> can't they work on corporate taxes and corporate inversions and cut a deal on something? jeremy, if you think of jeremy's job, yeah, he covers congress, right? >> he is doing nothing. you know, jeremy, it makes me sad because you know what? >> you drew the short straw! >> guys like me working their tail off all summer and you're sitting up there having a holiday. >> i'm going to sue you. >> let's talk about the inner

workings of the house gop. i mean, is john boehner, can john boehner say what nancy pelosi said he should say which is impeachment is off the table? guys! go take a cold shower and run around the capitol a couple times and sweat it out! we are not going to get a hammer and hit ourselves in the head and not stick our political hands in the proverbial blender! we are not going to impeach the president. can he say that? and that exact enunciation. >> i think nicole is correct in that he has effectively said that. he said we have no plans to impeach the president and no future plans to impeach the president. may he can be a little more direct in that. i don't know. i think what you're seeing here, though, with this discontent on the right that this lawsuit doesn't quite go far enough is another example of the trouble that boehner has constantly run into with the far right. every time he tries to appease them, they don't trust him. and they take this act as

disingenuous and what you see when you talk about republicans wanting to impeach the president. let's not forget this is not a small number. recently polls have shown upwards of 60% of republicans would impeach this president. i think that is a real sentiment. >> now you've got the chairman of the d triple c saying it's helping the democrats cause. he is hoping republicans keep it up. keep going at it saying, quote, you bet. we are going to run on a congress that is just obsessed with lawsuits, suing the president, talking about impeaching him, instead of solutions for the middle class. talking about jobs and infrastructure. you bet that we are going to ask people to support us based on that contrast. i don't blame him. >> therein lies the problem with this lawsuit, whether it's valid or not. >> yeah. >> that it underlines that where nothing is getting done. >> yeah. >> and we can all blame both sides. >> absolutely. >> when you have lawsuits and

talk of impeachment, when nothing is getting done that is the greatest threat to the republican party this fall. >> i think so. a lot more to get to. still ahead, steny hoyer with his thoughts on his colleague's thoughts to sue the president. bob corner on his thoughts on russian sanctions. up next, the latest development in the governor andrew cuomo ethics inquiry. why his administration may now face an investigation into obstruction of justice and evidence tampering. we will hear from jesse ventura. >> let's not! can we not? >> there is also a major update. >> you hate my show, joe! is he suing dead guys, jesse ventura pr ventura. and the lawsuit against bob

mcdonald. first, a check on the forecast with bill karins. bill, are you seeing anything? >> no, my defamation lawsuit, nothing against you guys any time soon. >> i'm worried about that. >> you should be. good morning, everyone! our great stretch of weather continues this summer, that is if you don't like the hot stuff. we had thunderstorms overnight and a lot of people will be woken up east of dallas area. sulfur springs to tyler, texas. big thunderstorms rolling through and western new york thunderstorms overnight and they are still continuing but watch out if you're around the oswego, new york, area, north of syracuse and look like the storms rolling your way half hour from now. later this afternoon in the northeast isolated storms, including new england, hartford, new york city and albany and most of the day is dry and hit and miss shower late in the day and warmer today. d.c., 86 degrees. maybe it's time to turn that air-conditioning back on. heading to the tropics now that august is around the corner. august and september are two

peak months in the hurricane season. still watching this tropical depression and looks like a tropical storm later today and puerto rico has to deal with it on sunday. tuesday, it should be somewhere off the bahamas and it does not look to approach the u.s. at this time. we will keep an eye on it. it could be a close call but right now, we are looking okay. forecast for today around the country. travel forecast. isolated storms in texas and great weather out there as temperatures continue to be uncool. one example, oklahoma city was 72 degrees yesterday. oklahoma city in the summer, it should be a hundred! reagan national airport, no problems this morning. what a great start. you're watching "morning joe." ♪

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time now to take a look at the morning papers. "wall street journal," several organizations are beginning to evacuate volunteers from liberia and sierra leone. the peace corps will remove all 340 workers after two members were exposed to the virus and two religious organizations that had staffers infected will remove all personnel. ebola has killed over 660 people and infected more than 1,200. army general is going to be questioning sergeant bowe bergdahl about his capture in afghanistan as early as next week. the army is investigating why he left his post the day he was caught by taliban militants in 2009. he spent five years in captivity prior to his release during a prisoner swap at the end of may. he is currently working at a desk job at a military base in

san antonio, texas following his return to america. "the new york times." u.s. officials estimate more than 100 americans have been trained in syria. one of whom came back to the u.s. before returning to the war zone to carry out a suicide attack. the 22-year-old who was born in florida left his american home for turkey and then eventually slipped into syria after joining up with terrorists there, he came back to the u.s. for several months and rejoined the fight overseas and blew himself up last may in an attack aimed at forces loyal to president bashar assad. >> it's unbelievable. >> yeah. >> from our parade of papers. "the washington post" turns out that former president george w. bush has been busy doing a lot more than just painting since he has left office. he is also penned a biography of his father former president george h.w. bush. the book is going to hit the book shelves this november and it's going to span the entire

career of his 90-year-old dad. the detroit free press. a new study shows millennials are not afraid to spend thousands of years in coffee and alcohol and fast food. in maine individuals between 18 and 35 spend an average of 300 a year on caffeine. young adults in massachusetts are shelling out the most for liquor and they are paying an average of $1,200 on fast food chains like mcdonald and chipolte. >> that makes me hungry. >> you could spend $800 a day on coffee. it's like a meal. ridiculous. >> i have a sanka. remember that? willie and i are huge sanka fans. you know who else loves it? willie, you want to tell them why we are smoking cigarettes?

who else loves drinking sanka? >> beckham. >> drink it on the campaign. >> that spice girl he is married to taught him that. jesse ventura -- >> you're not going to like my show! >> after he was awarded nearly $2 million in his defamation claims and claims over deceived navy s.e.a.l. who punched a man outside a bar and made comments about a navy s.e.a.l. he had this to say that he was seeking damages from kyle's widow. >> if seeking the truth damages you, then we live in a pretty sorry world, don't we? don't think i come out of this unscathed. all i wanted to do was clear my name and it has nothing to do with a widow or anything like that. it was me against an insurance

companies. that is not true. i wonder if he'll give that money to a veterans organization. he got paid a couple million dollars by this network not to do a show but then again, i'm not in a position to say anything this morning about doing that, getting paid without not working. with us now is politico's mike allen. he is with us. this cuomo story getting more interesting by the day, isn't it, willie? >> yeah. mike, good morning. a new twist in this story. the united states attorney in manhattan is firing back at the cuomo administration threatening to investigate the governor's office for possible obstruction of justice and evidence tampering. on monday, golf cuomo denied interfering with his own ethics commission following allegations that the commission was shut down after it began looking into the governor's own dealings. during his press conference this week, cuomo repeatedly cited

commission members including co-chair william fitzpatrick had released a statement saying nobody interfered with me or my cochairs. >> there is only one person who can answer the question. who is the person? chairman fitzpatrick and what does chairman fitzpatrick say? no. resoundingly, no. what does the chairman's actions show? no! resoundingly, no! because he rejected the request! the rejection is ipso facto a statement of independence because he said no. >> willie, it's ipso facto! >> ari is googling that for us now. >> as we speak. >> now according to "the new

york times" -- >> i think i saw that in my cousin vinny, better, ipso facto. i saw that movie over my sabbatical. it was a great movie. >> willie? >> you know? >> you're on assignment. >> i was on assignment. those lawyers and the judge, herman munster as a judge, i love my cousin vinny. >> let me bring it back here. >> a good time to boil. >> we can pick this up later. lets get back to fitzpatrick latest statement. statements may have been issued after direct calls from the governor or members of his office according to "the new york times" this morning. this prompted the u.s. attorney's stern response yesterday writing, quote, some commissioners have been asked to issue public statements characterized events and facts regarding the commission's operation. to the extent anyone attempts to influence or tamper with a witness's recollection of events, relevant to our investigation, we request that you advise our office immediately as we must consider

whether such actions constitute obstruction of justice or tampering with witnesses that violate federal law. that is the statement from the u.s. attorney's office to the office of governor cuomo. mike, sift through all of this for us. where are we right now? >> willie, this is turning into a potentially defining episode for governor quo whoa who is up for re-election in november. he is expected to be easily re-elected. but through all of this bad press about the ethics commission, this bombshell story last week about how the governor's office have been said to have interfered. the million dollar question is how interested is the u.s. attorney in manhattan interested in this? he has gotten a lot of documents but how interested is he? willie, this morning, we have the answer and the answer is very. the wording of this letter could not be more ominous for the governor and what happened to protect a couple of dots there, the u.s. attorney says in this

letter that his office was contacted after the statements of support for governor cuomo and the suggestion was that they had been requested, that they had asked for, maybe somebody to even been pressured to give these statements. now a surprising vote of confidence for the governor yesterday. the mayor, bill de blasio in new york, has been no friend of the governor, said that he was an agent of reform. our sister site in new york has a story pointing out one problem for governor cuomo there has kind of been a vacuum in his national image. he hasn't done a lot of interviews and this is filling that vacuum. >> i want to really quickly go to jeremy and then ari. a lot to talk about here. jeremy? >> yeah. i think as somebody who spent two and a half years in albany like i did, one of the aspects that you most clearly recognize is this pattern of intimidation

from cuomo's office. i mean, here's a guy who was famous for calling up reporters on the phone directly and just haranging them. you can only imagine the type of treatment of people who were investigating his office with subpoena power may have had. now, the idea -- you know, the great work that my colleagues in our albany bureau have done in uncovering this story. onity points that need to be said the idea you would deband a commission, a commission to investigate corruption in albany strikes odd as the place is with corruption. i still come across from people from my albany days and at least half a dozen of these people have been indicted or in jail. >> seriously? you spent two and a half years in albany and now you're on capitol hill? that's not -- that's like two

short straws. >> he needs to be careful with the people he associated with. >> he does. >> ari, this is an om mus letter from the u.s. attorney, isn't it? >> jeremy mentioned intimidation and in politics it can make for good politics. we are seeing a shift insithis not about messaging. what you see in a federal prosecutor here, a u.s. attorney is a statement we are in a place we are not talking with messaging messages but talking about potential witness tampering. very serious and very different from saying, you're allowed to call your political allies and put out public statements and put the best spin on the facts. that does happen in the course of normal politics. that is over now. that can't be stated more clearly and that is why there is a serious cloud hanging over the governor's mansion here and they need to be a lot clearer, not in

privately pressuring people that a federal prosecutor says could amount in witness tampering but having a full discussion about everything that went down with this commission, which, so far, the cuomo administration has failed to do. it's ominous and they have to explain themselves a lot better and a lot more factually. >> the u.s. attorney general is a strict guy. coming up, the captain gets a surprise presidential visit during a pregame ceremony in texas last night. "morning joe" sports is next. captain obvious: i probably wouldn't stay here tonight.

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let's do some sports. we begin with texas hosting the yankees. we show you this highlight because former president george w. bush. >> all right. >> shows up and pays a surprise visit to derek jeter and a pregame ceremony honoring the yankee captain and final game there in texas. very cool for the president to come out. jeter also received a pair of engraved cowboy boots and 10,000 bucks for his charity foundation. >> they have got good history together. the president threw out the first pitch after 9/11 at the yankee game. >> here is the game. no one cares. this is a great story. >> after 9/11, one of the

president's first trips was to new york and he went to the yankee game. gives me chills. people in this still were still literally shaken from the attacks of 9/11. and bush went to the yankee game and he practices his pitch. i think it was jeter who he asked for advice. and he said, don't screw this up. so bush tells the story much better than i do because he's a baseball guy but that is the ji gist of it. >> jeter warmed him up in the batter's cage and i think jeter said, president, don't bounce it up there. they don't care who you are. let's go to san francisco. giants hosting the pirates. pittsburgh jordy mercer hits one into left field. the ball lands right in a fan's beer cup. come on. wait a minute. >> whoa! >> oh, my god. >> i hate it when that happens! >> she must have lost it in the sun and didn't see that coming. >> oh, no!

>> mika says people spend a lot of beer and caffeine. >> what a waist! >> i would be more bummed losing the beer than the ball. rand paul and cory booker, we will find out what they are working on together today. we will be right back.

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but significant difference in drug difference rates and four times to be arrested if you're african-american. now think about this right now. we have more african-americans in this country now under criminal supervision than all of the slaves in 1850. this system is broken. you don't need to be black or white. you just got to do something about it. >> that was a part of ari's exclusive interview with senators rand paul and cory booker. tell us more about it. fascinating. >> it is fascinating. they are working on each other despite their different views. they have a bill focuses on reforming background checks and encourages states to stop trying children as adults and a federal ban on solitary confinement on minors and interestingly rolling back part of the 1996 bipartisan welfare act and saying that actually when people serve their time and go through rehab, they

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obviously. he also has got a proposal with senator reid to try to restore voting rights for nondefenders and he was out at the national urban league last week, which i talked to him a little bit as well. he is making an argument here that there is a civil rights crisis in this country over how we go from taking people and punishing them which is part of our criminal justice system and rehabilitating them and reintegrating them into society. >> it seems how clicked some of the sentencing guidelines are and paul ryan talking about it a couple of days ago. if you sell a couple of dime bags of weed you shouldn't be locked up for several years. hopefully, there is some progress being made at least on those minor nonviolent offenses. >> i think there is on that point exactly. also a bipartisan vote out of the judiciary committee and an area you where rand paul and

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that has erupted in senseless violence. >> justin bieber and orlando bloom in a heated argument at a celebrity hot spot. >> that is actor orlando bloom. arguing the pop star justin bieber overnight at a restaurant in in spain. a club goer telling tmz that bloom threw a punch at bieber. >> yes, early reports indicate that last night, justin bieber had his first hit in years. >> supposedly these guys don't like each other because justin bieber was somehow involved with orlando bloom's wife and orlando bloom was rumored to have a thing with justin's ex-girlfriend, selena gomez. i will say i hate that i know this, i really do. >> orlando's hand was pretty sore today, you know, from all of the high five's he got. luckily a stranger broke it up. girls, girls, stop it. i mean, gentleman. >> wow, willie. this is breaking news.

good morning, america. >> no, that was not "good morning america." >> i think it was. it was abc. >> it was an abc show that says breaking news from tmz that late developments, blah, blah. seriously. >> she is very pretty. if you're going to punch another guy, she is sort of punch worthy, i think. i think there is a child involved too. no. the fight was over miranda kerr his ex-wife. >> isn't he like 4'11"? >> the beb is not tall. >> the "new york post" steps up with photographs of all of this in bathing suits and what not. >> you talk about it. >> let me just say orlando bloom is, you know, pretty handsome himself. >> pretty cool. movie star. come on. >> nicole, you are not helping! >> i am a rabid consumer celebrity gossip. i follow -- i don't do much on

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this time at a popular shopping area. >> it is enough, she cried out. have mercy. >> the ebola virus is considered now officially out of control. >> two peace corps volunteers are in isolation before they can return to the u.s. >> a victory for former minnesota governor jesse ventura. >> your pursue a lawsuit for the truth. if seeking the truth damages you, then we live in a pretty sorry world. >> day three of the corruption trial of the virginia governor bob mcdonald this morning. the businessman johnny williams took the stand. >> prosecutors say he gave mcdonald and his children more than $150,000 in gifts, trips, and loans. >> house voted heavily along party lines to sue the president of the united states. >> are you willing to let anyone tear apart what our founders have built? >> this is about the road to impeachment and if it is not,

the speaker has to say one sentence, impeachment is off the table. >> we could do so much more if congress would just come on and help out a little bit, instead of just hating all the time. come on! let's get some work done together! stop this hate. >> come on now, joe. >> you just stop the hating. >> they just want to sue me and impeach me. i hear, like, some echoes of bill clinton in there. i'm just a victim. thank you, republican. welcome back to "morning joe." nicole wallace and jeremy peters are still with us. >> they are great. >> joining us from washington host of "the daily rundown" chuck todd. >> he is also great. >> yes, he is. >> you're so happy today. >> i'm always happy. >> he is back. he is happy he is back. >> he is happy about it. >> he doesn't know i'm about to sue him. >> come on, listen. i'm not here that much. like the president, i don't really -- i got the job, but i don't really do it well, so why sue me?

>> all of the executive orders you did in the month of july from wherever you were. >> inside a whale. it's a long story. we are going to get to the humanitarian crisis in the middle east in a moment with david milliband. first, we begin in washington where just before congress leaves for recess, my god, they -- there is nobody who needs five weeks off more than congress. five weeks. you get five weeks. who gets five weeks? >> sounds to me like a good deal. i don't know. i'd love to have five weeks off. >> the house approved a lawsuit against president obama in a party line vote and the lawsuit centers on the president's executive actions which the republicans say he has used to circumvent congress. john boehner spoke about it. >> the oath only refers to the constitution. and our obligation to defend is. i said that with moments like this in mind, i said that

knowing there would be times when we would have to do things we didn't come here to do. we didn't plan to do and things that require us to consider interest greater than our own interests. no member of this body needs to be reminded of what the constitution states about the president's obligation to faithfully execute the laws of our nation. are you willing to let any president choose what laws to execute and what laws to change? are you willing to let anyone tear apart what our founders have built? >> house minority leader nancy pelosi blasted the move and president obama had some fun with it. >> this lawsuit, you don't want to sue anybody unless you prove that they are wrong. this is about the road to impeachment and if it is not, the speaker can say one simple sentence, impeachment is off the table. that's what i had to say in 2007.

that's what speaker boehner should be saying now. >> they did pass this work force training act and it was bipartisan. the republicans and democrats. and everybody was all pleased they came. we had a bill signing. they were all in their suits. i said, doesn't this feel good? we're doing something. it's like useful. nobody is shouting at each other. you know? it was really nice. i said, let's do this again. let's do it more often! >> chuck todd, quite a contrast yesterday between the president and john boehner. >> it is. i actually think -- it's actually kind of contrast between the president and the house democrats and nancy pelosi and the president and some of his own aides. right? some of his own aides are almost seizing this and they see it as ha, ha, go for impeachment and see what they believe they can use it for which is to drum up

democratic turnout. i thought the president had the right tone with this. if you think this is a silly deal and what the house is doing is just sort of a base tactic of their own, then take the high road and be light about it. i thought the president had the right tone. i think some of his aides have had the wrong tone on this. >> jeremy, what is speaker boehner up to here? is it just an appeal to the base in election year to drum up support? what is he after and what do you think comes out of this? >> if you listen to what boehner said in that sound bite earlier, he said this is not something we came here to do, but actually this house of representatives has been very aggressive about using its institution aa aal pa. they held in contempt the first time ever a us attorney general of the united states. a select committee to investigate benghazi. this is part of a pattern to go

after president obama and using their powers to do that. i think what is interesting to watch is what happens with this lawsuit. does it get thrown out of court, as many legal experts, conservative and liberal alike have suggested and it could. if that happens, what will republicans want then? and that is what we don't know. >> i'm really glad i came back. >> yeah. >> cudjul is a "the new york times" word. >> it's a five dollar "the new york times" word. >> i'm going to be using that word every five minutes. >> let's just stop. a couple of stories we are going to rapid fire through. i'm going to do like that word association game with you. >> the lightning round. >> a quick response. >> try something. >> just say whatever. >> bob mcdonald. >> cudjal. >> former governor bob mcdonald and his wife will take the stand

this week. >> johnny williams yesterday testified that maureen mcdonald said she should help him in his nutritional supplement company and get help from her husband for $65,000. williams was trying to get the governor of virginia to research of his products. williams described a trip to new york with virginia's first lady and her chief of staff in 2011. he footed the bill after she unexpectedly ran up a $20,000 tab during a full day of shopping at places like bergdorf goodman and oscar de la renta and louis vuitton. they often used williams private jet to travel to his vacation home and fly the governor's children on a trip that would only take about 90 minutes to drive. the governor's lawyer said williams exploited the couple's falling out to take advantage of the first lady. you know, his campaign was something that we really celebrated here on this show,

how well he did in his rise to be governor. >> yep. >> it's hard to -- >> the questions that remain is why was this legal in the state of virginia? and why is he being prosecuted now for things that were legal in the state of virginia? it is terrible. it is unseemly. and it's just what an embarrassment. >> he takes the stand today and we will be following that. new e-mails released by house republicans aren't doing much to help the ex-official at the center of the irs targeting scandal. in an e-mail change with a colleague in 2012, lois lerner made a profamed remark about conservatives related to a talk radio show and she said of those on the right, quote, we don't need to worry about alien terrorists. it's our own crazies that will take us down. >> i got an oh, my god from nicole. >> i want to -- i wish i could use words like cudjal because they seem to make the point so

well. >> red states. >> one to two syllables from you, please. >> right. speaker boehner has addressed the wrong-headedness of discussions about impeachment by crafting a very technical and legally sound lawsuit about this is a lawsuit about the president passing a health care law and refusing to actually implement it because at every bump, every time it defends some political constituency to the white house the law gets changed. i think close to 50 changes to the law so far. now, the quagmire, i guess, for republicans is to make sure that we don't conflate impeachment in the lawsuit because the lawsuit certainly is sound. it's not a political cudjal and a legal answer that will be answered. >> it will be interesting. on the slow stuff, willie, she plays it into republicans worst

suspicions of her. >> i don't think we showed the whole thing and even worse language in there. >> you get the point:the question was there political ideological bias. >> she mallass and equates the republicans to interior terrorists. i think state of mind is there. if this were a legal proceeding, i think they got their gal. >> no doubt. governor cuomo story, it would be great to check in with chuck on that but we will get to the middle east right now. israeli is reinforcing its ranks, despite some of the obama administration's strongest criticism yet over fallout from its ongoing war with hamas. overnight israeli announced plans to call up another 16,000 reserves. the move follows a violent day of clashes across the region. nbc chief foreign correspondent richard engel is reporting from gaza and we should warn you, some of the footage we are about to show you is very difficult to

right. >> reporter: are still dying every day. this video shot by a local cameraman is hard to watch. ambulances are rushing to a blast site in gaza city. the cameraman is rolling. then -- a second incoming round knocks him down. the cameraman from a pro hamas media company prays. he wandered in a daze. more artillery comes in. at least 16 are killed. nearby, a mosque was destroyed. an image likely to enrage many in the muslim world. israeli air and ground defensive is punishing and relentless. pushing deeper into gaza's narrow streets. israeli troops searched house-to-house for militants trying to find and destroy hamas rockets and tunnels. this isn't the quick and easy fight israeli officials talked about just a few weeks ago. david milliband joins the

table and president and ceo of the international rescue committee. david, we spoke with an nbc reporter last hour who said there is no safe place for a father or mother to take their children in all of gaza. i said last hour, even a long time strong, unquestioning supporter of israeli, they app to be on a disastrous track in the long run opinion what is going on inside of gaza? >> i think two things are going on that are really important to understand. the first is that the longer the fight goes on between israeli and hamas, the more civilians become the central target and the more hamas is able to say by surviving, we have won. so that is the draining. that is the first thing that is going on and it raises a very profound question. for democratic societies, are civilian rights in war absolute? after the world war ii civilians

have absolutely rights that are protected in one. the point i want to point to you is a rather dramatic point. no exaggeration to say civilians are less safe now in war zones than they have ever been since 1945. a very serious point. the second thing going on is important to understand. a power play is going on within the arab world and, again, the civilians are important but you got the egyptians who hate hamas, what they are about on one side, supported by saudi arabia. and you've then got qatar, turkey with much stronger links to hamas. the power play about this word cease-fire is whose cease-fire is it? who brings it about? and who gets the credit in the end? and the absolute priority for anyone of good sense is to get the palestinian authority back into gaza. they were expelled by hamas in 2007 and they run the west bank. the absolute priorities to get them back into gaza running the show. the tragedy is in april of this

year, hamas said they will give up power to the p.a., the palestinian authority, and that option wasn't taken. >> hamas, as we said before, willie, another tragedy much this is hamas is becoming irrelevant and becoming isolated whether it's saudi arabia or egypt, uae, jordan all hate hamas. they had lost the people in gaza and that's what is so confounding with these strikes. >> many palestinians themselves are fed up with hamas. >> most of them were. david, if you put together what you just said about the de facto support for many arab countries for israeli and the fact that inside israeli there is something like 95% support for this campaign into gaza, what is netanyahu's incentive it stop? despite cries from the west he needs to slow down and stop the killing of civilians he feels like he has got all of the support he needs to continue doing what he is doing. >> i think the first thing is, obviously, the discovery by the

idea that the hamas tunnels are much greater than was expected and was reported to the israeli prime minister, you got ari coming on in a moment and he'll be able to explain. the fact you've got a u.n. compound that seems to have -- all of the evidence seems to have been hit and compound that was a school that was sheltering -- >> after 17 warnings. >> after 17 warnings. the third thing is much more difficult, though. which is this danger that all hamas need to do at the end of this is come out of the rubble and say we are still here to claim victory. >> they are not exactly standing -- what is the bet that turkey has made in standing with hamas? why is turkey standing with hamas? >> i think this is part of the politics of the middle east. look. the whole region is rolling. the power centers have existed really for a hundred years since after the first world war are breaking down and you see that in the syria conflict we talked about before and no longer a syria conflict, it's a

syria/iraq conflict blowing into jordan and lebanon, et cetera, the whole isis phenomenon. when people talk about moderates and extremists isn't helpful. some are democrats and some not democrats and some religious and others are not. on the one hand you got a set of nationalists and jihadists and important to understand the difference. >> let's fold in other voices into this conversation. we have ari shavet and a member of editorial board and author of the book "my promise land the triumph and tragedy of israeli." chuck todd is also in the conversation and he'll jump in. ari, you've been critical of secretary of state john kerry which is another facet of this story. in your monday column this week you wrote, in part, reckless kerry risk causing escalation saying the secretary, quote, put the winds and the sails of hamas

political leaders. chuck todd? >> well, ari, i'm just curious what you believe. what is the level of influence you think the united states has right now with the netanyahu government? i mean, is it as little as it's ever been? >> please, let me enlarge the context. what we see right now is -- it's a disastrous situation. on the one hand we cannot let hamas win. hamas is a fascist organization and oppressing gays and women and christian and wanting to destroy israeli. it's aligned with the dark forces in the region. they cannot win. on the other hand, you, obviously, cannot have this terrible carnage going on. i'm critical of all moderates in the region, because for nearly a year, we saw this coming. in my column for months, i've been pleading for action by the moderates. the international community asking them to prevent escalation. what we have seen it is that

ever since the kerry peace initiative, which i really supported it and i thought it was -- the commitment of the secretary was astonishing on that, but once it failed, a vacuum was left and i kept writing in my columns for months, if we don't fill this vacuum with an alternative peace process, we will have an escalation and a disaster and this is what we have. so right now the only way forward, in my mind, is tough diplomacy that will bring about the alliance of the moderates which is the egyptians, the saudis, the gulf people, with the moderate palestinians led by abbas and israeli in order to bring about something that is reasonable, which is, on the one hand, a demilitarized gaza but on the other hand, prosperous. i would call now for a marshal plan for gaza as long as gaza is militarized.

this can only be created about tough creative diplomacy. >> i'm wondering why that doesn't happen, ari, because i'm thinking the same thing. again, as a strong, longtime supporter of israeli, i'm sickened by the images that i see, and i have fears for the israeli people that this actually strengthens hamas and even if hamas is wiped out, creates a new group that may be closer to isis than hamas. could you expand on that? and the fears that you've written about too that this radicalizes the situation. >> absolutely. look. again, this is different than previous because it's in a new context. what is the new context? the arab world went chaotic. we have a chaotic arab world and middle east. we have it in syria and iraq and elsewhere. these chaotic forces that are

now well armed and much more dangerous. you see, i think, as i said, i think hamas is an evil organization. but they have been very impressive in their strategy and war fare. there is a strategic surprise here. now we cannot let these forces win. and only way is really we need strong leadership and creativity because the good news is that actually the arabs and no arabs and israelis are now closer than they were ever, but you need some leadership to bring -- >> is netanyahu providing that leadership, or is he, from what i hear, actually on three sides of the negotiating table, a man who does not have what others had which is the daring to actually take a chance on peace? >> netanyahu enigma is a serious one. let me give you my take. on the one hand, i was very critical, and i'm still critical and i'm very angry at

netanyahu's government for not taking an initiative months ago. we should have been much more generous with the palestinians and moderates in the west bank, but also bit more generous with the people of gaza. yet, one has to give netanyahu the credit that he's actually more -- he really did not want to be dragged into this. mahmoud abbas and benjamin netanyahu who, i think, failed on reaching peace really tried to prevent this escalation. and they failed. to this day, again, the reason we need this political solution is that actually the israeli government is trying to be restrained, but because there is no military solution, there is a problem in the way the israeli military works, we find ourselves with this horrible attacks that are unacceptable but, on the other hand, they are caught in kind of a catch. the only way to get out of the catch is active political leadership that will bring a political, because at the end of the day, hamas is isolated in

the middle east and we have to find a way to give hope for the people of gaza while not letting hamas win. >> david, what is the way out here? i know it's a huge question and difficult to answer in the space of a few seconds. if israeli is standing up for its right to defend itself and they say we have seen 2,500 rockets come in across the border and we have to do something and can't allow that. meanwhile, hamas and palestinians saying you're killing our women and children and we have to defend ourselves. how do we break that cycle? >> in 2008 and '09 i helped negotiate the u.n. to the last gaza war. the deal is a simple one and ari has spoken to it directly. one, stop the governments and armaments going in. two, you grow gaza as a place of economic, but also political stability. and the key to those two things is the kind of tough diplomacy that you hope -- you've talked about. thank goodness israeli has the iron dome so some defensive

shield there that is very, very important. but i return to the point that wars can never be won at the expense of civilian life. and that is the terrible tragedy. and we all depend on a world where actually the rules and the norms and laws built up over literally hundreds of years are held to and democratic governments are held to higher standards than terrorist organizations but they are, for good reason. >> david milliband, thank you so much. ari shavit, thank you as well. chuck todd, stay with us if you can. >> a lot to talk about with chuck. >> and other gentlemen at the table. nicole, is menopause a real thing how aging and mail insecurity. >> what a segway! >> has built a billion dollar testosterone industry. >> as david quickly runs off the set. big changes in store for college football this season.

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♪ all right. beautiful look at capitol hill in washington. let's bring in from there, the house democratic whip, congressman steny hoyer of maryland. >> very good to have you on our show as usual. what is the big deal about congress suing the president? i mean, democrats are acting like this is the first time this has ever happened. you know, we always, like, when i was there -- >> actually, it is the first time. >> when i was running around

making trouble and. >> usually, other things are happening, though. >> there are other things happening, though. >> joe -- >> this isn't the first time this happened, right, steny? >> it is the first time it has happened. >> first time congress has sued the president? >> it is the first time it will be an unprecedented action if, in fact, the congress sues the president. individual members have sued the president. but scalia says in an opinion that he wrote not too long ago, look. this is not what the courts are for the disputes between the executive and legislative to be resolved. it's a waste of time. the republicans know it's a waste of time. it's an effort to energize their base. franklin it's also having an effect of energizing our base. >> do you think there is going to be serious calls for impeachment or do you think that is just the extremists on both sides whipping up the base? >> well, i don't think it's the extremists on our side. >> we are not talking about impeachment.

>> i hear you. but there are a number of republicans talking about impeachment on the republican side. as a matter of fact sessions indicated that impeachment, you know, he talked about the clinton impeachment as if that is just a normal way of acting. the republicans shut down government, as you recall, in '95 and then -- >> good days, steny, good days. >> we have that pattern apparently being repeated. the real problem is we are waste is time and the people's money. this suit is not going anywhere. we ought to be dealing with other matters. none of those items -- the creation of jobs. none of those items, joe, are on the table. >> here is the good news. you guys are getting a five weeks recess. >> thank god! >> nicole? >> i'm wondering if you can

speak to the climate in washington. we always present it as something new when there is a story of discussion of impeachment or a lawsuit. i was in the bush white house when harry reid called george bush a liar. the hate for president bush couldn't be more palpable. is this a new normal and should the public be used to this as the animosity or do you see something new? >> frankly this is an unacceptable environment then and now for a democracy to work together. today, for instance, unfortunately, we are turning two bills that could be passed in a bipartisan fashion overwhelmingly into partisan implementational again and dealing with the crisis at the border and dealing with the highways. both of those could be pass inside a bipartisan basis. in the senate the highway bill

was passed with 79 votes. the majority of republicans and democrats voting for it. we are turning it into a partisan bill here in the house. >> but, obviously, people don't understand this. you walk down the same halls. you get on the same trains. what is the holdup, the climate? or is the holdup substance? >> i frankly there are very hard views. the 2010 election elected a lot of people who were very, very strong in their ideological believes. here is another example where the policy that was adopted to allow dreamer children, children who came here with their parents, they didn't commit any crime, they have grown up here as students, she speak english and without any hearings, without any discussions that is being put on the floor today apparently for a vote. that is unfortunate.

that creates confrontation. we should resolve these in a bipartisan way and could be addressing the people's business but we are not. >> speaking of the people's business. thomas has a quick question and it's a yes or no answer because we are tight on time. this is critical. >> quick! >> yes or no. >> can the orioles go all the way? >> yes. >> thank you! >> wow! steny hoyer, thank you. >> so can the nats. so can the nats. we could have a parkway series! >> thank you, steny. always great talking to you, buddy. >> what else we got? >> we want to get to chuck. >> now to chuck. >> let's talk about this. the united states attorney in manhattan is firing back at the cuomo administration threatening to investigate the governor's office for possible obstruction of justice and evidence tampering. on monday governor cuomo vehemently denied inferring with his ethics committee.

the investigation was shut down. during his press conference, cuomo cited different members including william j. fitzpatrick who hours earlier released a statement. >> i think we can get a better picture of both of those guys. >> probably so. >> is that the best? >> they look like republicans. usually you only have republicans looking like that. >> look at that. they look scared. >> only one person that can answer the question. who was the person? chairman fitzpatrick. and what does chairman fitzpatrick say? no. resoundingly, no. what does the chairman's actions show? no! resoundingly, no! because he rejected the request! the rejection is ipso facto a statement of independence because he said no. >> chuck, i think we made is very clear on this show, we think that press conference was

bad ipso facto. but the news getting much worse. seriously. it appears to be -- >> political latin. >> exactly. but, my gosh. i mean, it looks like the u.s. attorney now is seriously thinking about pursuing a prosecution against the governor. >> i'm confused with the governor because a couple of days ago it was my commission. i set up the commission. it was my commission. i can decide when this commission does this, this, this. he seems to have taken a little bit of a different tactic. you know, he poked a finger in the eye of a lot of people and i think that this is, again, this is the old andrew cuomo that had a reputation for being a little bit of a bully a little bit of a bull in the china shop and i think he is finding out. >> a perfect way to put it, a

bull in a china shop. this guy is governor of new york state. the empire state. and he is acting like he's operating out of some back water, you know -- >> here is the thing. albany needs to be cleaned up. it's been a mess for decades. >> right. >> and then, you know, but it's like it's like -- it reminds me a little bit of spitzer. remember him as attorney general? he went so aggressively after wall street and then when you do it in ways that seem ham-handed and seem as if you're just running rough shot over people and you're not playing fair, guess what? enemies are coming back at you and he is learning that. >> you can always tell what leaders don't have strong people around them to tell them no. this certainly appears to be one of those cases. let me ask you about one other case, really for us because i like bob an awful lot. it seems like a tragedy, but, my god, the testimony against his

wife yesterday was just so brutal, damming. >> it was. it was. look. the whole defense seems uncomfortable too. i mean, are they playing us? are they pretending their marriage was a problem because this is the easiest way to get off, or was this really the case? can i just tell you, either version of the story is awful, right? either version of it. that this is sort of their concocting this defense because it's the best way to stay out of prison? or is this really was the case? and he was so desperate to save his own political career he let his wife run rough shot and take his political career down. either way, it's a bad story. >> it's horrible. >> chuck todd, thank you. we will be watching "the daily rundo rundo rundown" at 9:00 a.m. after years of number one soft drink, looks like coca-cola is looking to consider the positive impacts of its product. >> do you know what coke does?

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and why i put it on the cover. because, essentially, this has been a huge sentence experiment on american men. these prescriptions for testosterone has gone up the last few years without any of it proofed by the fda any condition that is natural aging. there are specific conditions for which testosterone is approved but it's nothing like the 7.5 million prescriptions that were written. >> it's not just that. it's like hgh. human growth hormones which some people are doing under the table. like, you see these dudes that are, like, 65 years old or 70 and they have got the bodies of, like, 18-year-olds. you can tell -- you can tell it's weird and dangerous. >> if a doctor writes you a prescription because you're. >> donny deutch! >> donny, did you just say donny? >> he is describing these guys

that have these bodies. i got this picture of donny i couldn't get out of my head. i'm sorry! >> that is not donny! >> no, donny is still young but i bet he will look like that forever. he is a specimen. >> follow donny on instagram and he has all of these little kids and he has pecs out to here. >> if he looked like that at 86. sorry! >> we digress. >> somehow i knew that was going to happen. >> way off track here. >> isn't this the point extending your youthful physique forever is a motive for men to get these prescriptions, right? >> not just physique but their mental sharpness and energy levels and a whole complicated set of things that happen naturally as you age. if somebody tells you a magic solution and -- >> there is a magic solution? >> if you go in to see your doctor they will run your blood to see you if you have low t to decide if your levels are low enough to reach that.

>> there isn't even a consensus about what that low level, what counts as low. this year, there have been no large randomized clinical trials about the effects of this but they started as joe started out finding possible links to heart next month the fda is calling a summit. i don't want to see that. >> yes, you do. >> i want to know more about manopause. if the doctor told me i had low t, i would take this without hesitation. >> and without wondering what the possible health risks are? >> no. i want to live today, i will borrow from tomorrow. >> okay! >> oh, my god.

>> we only got the now. i don't know what's going to happen tomorrow. i know what's supposed to happen today between you and i. >> i feel like i've already gone there with donny, i can't do it today. but if you take low t, you'll only be around like six more weeks. >> if you are under a doctor's care and your blood levels were indicating low t, you would then go on this and be observed. >> but they're prescribing it off label, that's the thing. we have a lot of guesses and theories about what the benefits are, what the risks are, but we don't actually know. that's what i say, this is a huge experiment. we just don't know for certain what the effectiveness is because the male body and mind is a very complicated machine. >> yes, we're very complicated. >> who pays for it? is it covered under medicare? who pays for it? >> for some people if they have insurance coverage and this is properly prescribed by a doctor, then sure, it's like any other

medication. >> it's a great conversation, though. you say the case studies aren't there that show the long-term effects as of yet but there are over 7 million people on this? >> right. and also the marketing campaign up 2,800% the last five years. this is a huge message being sent to american men that this is the solution to what ails you if you have reached normal middle age. >> we're all about the quick fix. >> it's not unique to men, but yes. >> oh, my god, he's not well. he is not well. >> he loves animals. >> there's another one, shirtless that we couldn't show you. >> there's a great picture of him with his children. follow donny deutsch on instagram. >> we'll be looking for the latest issue of -- >> he's sensitive. >> let me see. >> no. >> latest issue of "time" magazine on newsstands today. nancy, we're sorry. >> we don't know the effects of

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wow. >> see, i knew mike was juicing it. >> that just doesn't work.

>> he looks good. >> he does look good. >> really, that's just wrong. >> unbelievable. >> we're setting up my instagram. we're going to unfollow some people. coming up at the top of the hour, it was a hallelujah moment for bob corker. the senator from tennessee explains his reaction to the new round of russian sanctions. plus homeless for ten days. why one candidate for california governor spent a week living on the streets. and brian sullivan joins the table fresh off his cameo appearance in last night's "sharknado." did he really do that? get out. you didn't do that? we'll be right back.

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all day israel bombarded gaza. another u.n. school was hit. at least 15 of the 3300 people sheltering inside were killed. >> hours later, another strike, this time at a popular shopping area. >> it is enough, she cried out. have mercy. >> is there any place i can go in gaza to protect my family? >> joe, the short answer to that is absolutely not. >> the ebola virus is now officially considered out of control. >> two peace corps volunteers exposed to the virus are in isolation. >> the federal reserve is giving a mixed message on the economy.

>> the government reported that our country's gross domestic product grew by 4%. >> but the job market still needs more improvement. >> day three of the corruption trial of governor bob mcdonnell. johnny williams took the stand. >> prosecutors say he gave mcdonnells and their children more than $150,000 in gifts, trips and loans. >> the house voted heavily along party lines to sue the president of the united states. >> are you willing to let anyone tear apart what our founders have built? >> this is about the road to impeachment. and if it is not, the speaker has to say one sentence, impeachment is off the table. >> we could do so much more if congress would just come on and help out a little bit, instead of just hating all the time. come on. let's get some work done together. >> that's what i try to tell you, mika. it's not about just hating all the time. >> okay. >> why don't you come up and join us. it's good to have you back.

>> donny's instagram picture melted. welcome back to "morning joe." nicolle wallace, thomas roberts at the table with me. >> thomas with low t count apparently. >> no, no, no, i don't think so. >> hgh, man. >> joining the table we have -- >> you will die pretty. >> that's my goal. >> speaking of pretty, we have cnbc's -- >> oh, he is so pretty. >> he confided more than i need to know about his low t. >> is he talking about his t? >> speaking of really pretty -- in washington we have msnbc political analyst and former chairman of the republican national committee, michael steele. michael, it's good to have you on board. brian, you had this incredible cameo. it's like we all wish to be -- >> you made the movie. sharknado last night. >> here's his big -- >> by the way, i'm not promoting this. >> where are you? >> no, i just run away.

i never even mentioned this. somebody else got ahold of it and said whatever. i'm a fleeing coward in this. you'll see. see this guy grabs a bat and he wants to fight. there i go in the blue shirt right there, running by. that was it. >> i want to see that again. >> can we see that -- >> are you running like you're scared? >> i'm a total coward. >> running away in the blue shirt. what cares? it's fun. my daughter finally thinks i'm cool now. >> why didn't you get closer to the camera? >> i'm not roker, i'm not lauer, those guys get all the plum gigs. >> that's the plum gig, third extra from the right. >> i'm the key grip to the key grip. >> i love it, man. >> so screaming coward number 4 was my credit. >> there's some big news here. man. 4% growth rate. the economy is screaming back. what's going on? >> well, it's good news, right? here's the question. we want to make sure this is not

a weather-based snapback. we had the drop of 1% in the first quarter so of course some of the more naysayers out there, and there have been plenty of them and they have been largely wrong the last new years pointed out all the stuff we didn't do in the first quarter maybe now we will do or did do in the second quarter. the question is can we sustain this. this is not the only good piece of economic data we've had, though. there's a number of other wonky acronyms i could cite. >> please don't do that. >> but i guess if you wanted to find a dark cloud, because we're the media, right? let's kind the negative in all the positive. orlando bloom is crying. the bieber/bloom fight could reduce global economic impact. >> i think it's going to impact the fed today. >> miranda kerr could increase global economic output or low t. let's get to the fed. >> you're cleared for landing. you get ten seconds.

>> advance the fed's interest rate increased schedule. that's the only potential negative. >> i got it. >> so in washington just before congress leaves no recess, mika, relations seem to be even more strained. >> you know what, five weeks off is called for. everybody needs a vaca. the house has approved a lawsuit against president obama in a party line vote. the lawsuit centers on the president's executive actions, which republicans say he has used to circumvent congress. speaker john boehner reflected on the oath all house members take in light of the lawsuit at hand. >> you just can't read it straight. >> it only refers to the constitution, and our obligation to defend it. i said that with moments like this in mind. i said that knowing there would be times when we would have to do things we didn't come here to do. we didn't plan to do and things that require us to consider interests greater than our own

interests. no member of this body needs to be reminded of what the constitution states about the president's obligation to faithfully execute the laws of our nation. are you willing to let any president choose what laws to execute and what laws to change? are you willing to let anyone tear apart what our founders have built? >> house minority leader nancy pelosi blasted the move and president obama, well, he just had fun with the issue. >> this lawsuit, you don't sue somebody unless you want to prove that they are wrong. this is about the road to impeachment. and if it is not, the speaker can say one simple sentence. impeachment is off the table. that's what i had to say in 2007. that's what speaker boehner should be saying now. >> they did pass this workforce training act and it was bipartisan.

the republicans and democrats. and everybody was all pleased. they came, we had a bill signing. they're all in their suits. i said doesn't this feel good? you know, we're doing something, it's like useful. we're not -- nobody is shouting at each other. you know, it was really nice. i said let's do this again. let's do it more often. >> michael steele, educate me. why should i not laugh when i read the script about this, and i'm serious actually, because i had a hard time keeping a straight sglface. >> yes, you did. >> i did. >> i think the lawsuit itself is, again, very narrowly tailored. it's a technical lawsuit. how is boehner proving he's been harmed because he's got to show that in order to have standing. so there's more political drama to this. and i think this is actually boehner's way to sort of skirt around the issue of impeachment as much as the democrats like to talk about it.

i think this is his way of kind of dealing with that issue within his own caucus with those members, some 20 or so, who really do like the idea of impeaching the president. so this is going to be the end of summer distraction. i don't think it really amounts to too much in the long term because by the time you prosecute the daggone thing the president won't be president by the time it works its way through the courts unless there's an accelerated track and i haven't heard about that. i think this is more about political drama. everyone is fund-raising off of it. it's the end of summer, about to go on vacation and ike the american people will remain disappointed with this congress and the president is rightly having fun with it and the democrats are raising money. i think republicans have opened themselves up to this being the toenail that's kind of out of joint for them going into the fall campaign because this is what people are going to be talking about. >> let's bring in the ranking member of the senate foreign relations committee, republican bob corker of tennessee.

bob, we want to get to a lot of things that are happening overseas, but first can you weigh in on the lawsuit against the president? good idea, bad idea for the republican party, good idea, bad idea for the country? >> you know, joe, i don't know much about the legal merits michael was addressing that. believe it or not, as you know well, the doors to the two, you can see the entrance to the house but there's a pretty big separation there. but i was at a meeting yesterday, sort of a breakfast press meeting, and the topic, the "i" word kept coming up. i don't know of any thoughtful person at all that considers the "i" word one that needs to be pursued. i think the democratic side of the aisle is really trying to rally around that and make it look like republicans are serious about that. i've never heard a single person mention that, and it's not certainly on the table. >> let's talk about right now a couple of things. first of all, let's talk about what's happening in gaza.

you're certainly a supporter of israel. are you concerned, as i've been saying i am this morning in support of israel, that the continued images coming out of gaza of dead little children and mothers killed in markets or at u.n. schools is going to exact a terrible toll in the long run? this has to be -- this has to be stopped. how do we do it? >> you know, joe, i've traveled from one end of gaza to the other, and we had ron dermer in the other day, the ambassador to the u.s. from israel and three or four, five senators talking with him about these images. and, look, we support israel's right to defend itself. what's happened is we have innocent children, innocent families that are caught in this crossfire where hamas uses them as a shield. actually places them in places and sometimes threatens them if they don't stay in those places. we've been able to see some

films and images of what hamas is doing with people there. at the end of the day these are young children, they're families. it's just devastating to watch what is happening. and yet you have these tunnels. i've actually witnessed and watched the tunnels coming in from rafa, but now you have these tunnels coming into israeli territory that were designed to actually, you know, abduct people for ransom, for getting prisoners out. i don't know, i mean at the end of the day the missiles need to stop coming in. we need to get rid of these tunnels. but there's got to be a long, long term solution to this. right now there's -- it just doesn't look like it's going to end any time soon and it's really sat to watch. >> it is. let's turn to russia. the sanctions that were announced this week, i think on the face of it, especially when they were listed by world leaders, the president, sound really strong. they were strong in some places, but senator corker, there are

some loopholes and there are some major entities that are left out. where do they fall short? >> i'm having some difficulty. this is about the ukraine sanctions, is that correct? >> yes. >> so look, we've -- first of all, i applaud this last round of sanctions. i applauded the sanctions that came out the day before the malaysian aircraft was hit. but there are some gaps. one of russia's largest and most important banks is not caught up in this. i will say again, i'm glad to see europe and the u.s. working together, but our policy on the sanctions, i've been saying this all along, has been a day late and a dollar short. we should have put sectoral sanctions in place when russia had 40,000 troops on the border. we let it get out of hand. putin is highly invested in this. this nationalistic fervor that he's generated inside russia over eastern ukraine is almost out of control. and so we let it get that way, i

think, by being so timid, so tepid, so feckless, if you will, in the beginning on sanctions. now this thing has a movement of its own. but i'm glad to see the sanctions were put in place. i hope we'll put much deeper, broader, sectoral sanctions in place in a way they'll begin to feel the pain and he'll have a different kind of calculus to deal with inside his country. >> senator, bob corker, thank you very much. >> thank you. moving on to other news now, the united states attorney in manhattan is firing back at the cuomo administration, threatening to investigate the governor's office for possible obstruction of justice and evidence tampering. on monday governor cuomo vehemently denied interfering with his own ethics commission following allegations that the commission was shut down after it began looking into the governor's own dealings. during his press conference in buffalo, cuomo repeatedly cited commission members, including co-chair william j. fitzpatrick, who just hours earlier released a statement saying, quote,

nobody interfered with me or my co-chairs. >> there's only one person who can answer the question. who is the person? chairman fitzpatrick. and what does chairman fitzpatrick say? no. resoundingly, no. what does the chairman's actions show? no. resoundingly, no. because he rejected the request. the rejection is ipso facto a statement of independence because he said no. >> now, according to "the new york times," fitzpatrick's latest statement and statements released monday from other committee members may have been issued after direct calls from the governor or members of his office. this prompted the u.s. attorney's stern response yesterday. some commissioners have been asked to issue public statements

characterizing events and facts regarding the commission's operation. to the extent anyone attempts to influence or tamper with a witness's recollection of events relevant to our investigation, we request that you advise our office immediately, as we must consider whether such actions constitute obstruction of justice or tampering with witnesses that violate the law. >> that is just tough. when you have the u.s. attorney saying, hey, what you did may have been witness tampering or obstruction of justice, this is suddenly become -- i'm sorry, i'm going to say it. it suddenly, seemingly has become quickly a lot more intense than shutting down a couple of lanes on a bridge. >> we're spending a lot of time on this story and i hope that other people will too, because here we have a governor mired in

what is potentially a real criminal wrongdoing. and his adversaries, the people asking questions are not the democrats in the state legislature as they are in new jersey, they are the u.s. attorney in the southern district of new york. so this is a much more serious scandal, and i -- again, we spent a lot of time on it here but i hope it is given the attention it deserves. >> is it not being given -- are you not seeing it all over? >> well, i think you are today, but with the bridge investigation that story was sustained day in and day out whether there was a development or not. so time will only tell if this scandal gets the same kind of attention. >> it's interesting, the governor reached out the other day. most of the conversation was off the record, but he was very upset at the "times". >> "the new york times." >> and how there were leaps being made that actually didn't have facts to back it up. it will be interesting to see what comes out in the future.

>> we'll see. obviously you don't -- everybody that's covered the cuomo administration has said that he's heavy-handed and that they're heavy-handed. and so we'll see what the response to this letter is. because you don't -- this is politics 101. >> right. >> if i had said -- first of all, if i had said in my little congressional office, i'm going out and the chief of staff would say no, you're not. sit down and be quiet, that would look wrong. if i said why don't we contact the commission members and tell them that they're going to be independent. >> you did it in a voice that made it seem silly. >> everybody that has ever worked for me would say -- would say are you kidding me? you're an idiot! and then everybody would come in, don't do it. and that's what this whole thing is mind blowing. >> it's not about being a bully,

it's about breaking the law. >> it's not being a little congressman, you are governor of one of the most important states and you're doing this. >> this is right up your alley, joe. i wish i could remember the stat but at one point all three governors of the metro area, connecticut, new york, new jersey were either under indictment. >> not dannel malloy. >> how many governors over the past 50 years have been prosecuted, indicted, thrown out of office. >> bad record in connecticut, right? >> no, connecticut i think is the worst of the worst. it's not a comment on cuomo, it's just this area in general seems to breed some issues. >> in this case, though, i think if this stuff plays itself out, it's -- it's personal to andrew cuomo. again, i've not talked to him, mika talked to him. but i heard from reporters over and over again, liberals, he's

heavy-handed, he's this, he's that, he's threatening. >> we're in an important time economically, but new jersey, new york, this is a fragile time. things are getting better. we want to keep the momentum going, and now you've got these massive distractions. if they prevent cuomo or christie. >> from two potential the presidential candidates. >> from making bold and important moves for the economy, this could be an economic thing. >> but these are problems of his own making. he is known to be a bully and also known to be extremely isolated. it's right what you were talking about. when you have those instincts and are isolated from strong advisers that can stop you before you come out and potentially tamper with a witness, this is what happens. >> i will say this is what seems from a distance to tie chris christie and andrew cuomo together, and that is, and i will say not ethically but just politically president obama, these people don't have people around them that can come in and

say no. that's a stupid thing to do. i had a rule if two people that i trusted in my office came in and told me no, it didn't matter what it was, i couldn't do it until i convinced one of them i could do it. and you have to have people that can tell you no. cuomo apparently doesn't. chris christie it doesn't look like he's had people that can tell him no. >> i think he does now. >> i think he does now, he's brought in some people. but he just -- being insulated as a leader is the most dangerous thing that can happen to you. bring in outsiders. >> it will be the biggest test of hillary clinton if she runs for president again. some more news we're going to get to later on, this from "the wall street journal" but everybody is talking about it this morning. lois lerner saying that we had more to worry about from conservatives than terrorists. >> she actually said terwarists.

>> so that's the story that we're going to be follow. still a lot to get to this hour. one candidate for california governor spent ten days living as a homeless man. we'll tell you why when he joins us ahead. plus does coca-cola have a fad problem? why the soda company thinks it needs to start changing its image. ♪ i'd like to teach the world to sing ♪ >> i have a great story for you. >> is this the time for that? >> first let's go to bill karins with a check on the forecast. bill. >> good morning, everyone. i just heard from the national hurricane centering and they're thinking that we could have bertha as we go throughout the 11:00 hour east coast time. they're saying thunderstorms and showers are getting a little more concentrated and they could start advisories later today, so people in puerto rico and the virgin islands and even the bahamas need to watch this storm. this is headed toward the peak of the season and we expect activity to increase. the possible path of this would

take it near the virgin islands and puerto rico on saturday and somewhere off the bahamas just right along possibly the east coast. off the coast, not on it, off the east coast middle of next week so we may get some large waves from it but at this pointing does not look to be a big threat to the u.s. but that's a week away. heavy rain today from shreveport through arkansas. it's going to be a chilly day in arkansas. the rest of the country not looking too bad. a stray storm around new york city and albany, but otherwise it looks like a very quiet weather map on this thursday. last day of july, can you believe that? washington, d.c., low humidity. what a month of summer it's been. "morning joe" will be right back. ♪ ♪ it's time to bring it out in the open. it's time to drop your pants for underwareness, a cause to support the over 65 million people who may need depend underwear.

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all right, let's bring in claire suddath, reporter from bloomberg business week. we're talking about the latest issue, the cover story, coke finally admits it has a fat problem and plan to fix it. it's a unique behind-the-scenes look at coca-cola and its plan for a major relaunch amid a decade-long sales slump. first of all, in your reporting you went out to different places, walmart and different places where coke is sold. >> yeah. i went to walmart. i went to gas stations, convenience stores, walmart and i sort of stood in the soda aisle and watched people make their choices. it seems to me like there were two types of people. there were people who weren't buying soda anymore. when i talked to them they said that they used to and consciously made a decision not to. then the people who do still buy it, because a lot of people do, said yeah, but i feel guilty

about it, i know i'm not supposed to, and that's sort of the change that has happened over the past decade. >> it's like cigarettes, right? >> it's a little like cigarettes. can you make that parallel? and how much did you find in the store actually match some of the data that you see out there and actually the relaunch that they're doing right now. it seems that they are responding to what you found. >> they are responding and it did match quite closely, actually. people still drink coca-cola a lot. it is still the most popular drink. >> i know some people who drink coca-cola a lot. diet coke, which is not good for you. >> it's still the most popular drink by far in america and diet coke is the second most popular. within that, we've seen a significant decline in the past decade of soda sales. >> people get it's not healthy. >> yeah, they do. i think it's like a quarter. people are drinking 25% less than they did 15, 16 years ago. >> so what would be the strategy then? when you have a product that is having this -- i guess it's

almost a revelation about it across the country, a product that's sold internationally, but it's a revelation that they can't change. people know it's liquid sugar, it's not good for you, and they're not buying it as much. >> so i think to see what they're doing now, you have to sort of look at what they had been doing. in the '80s and '90s coke and pepsi started sell their drinks in bigger and bigger sizes, which everyone is aware of. you go to the movie theaters and get these enormous drinks. >> gallons. >> exactly. >> so people started to drink it more than they drank water, which is really surprising. and then -- >> it gives me my energy. >> okay, stop. you are so bad. >> and then as sort of the obesity rate started to skyrocket and people started to look at their lifestyle choices, soda was something that they could easily cut out because it's really hard to go on a diet but if you just switch out your drink for something else. >> but coke is doing that as well. i mean they're diversifying. >> they are diversifying.

but they're still the coca-cola company so they don't want you to hate their main product. so they are starting to sell it in smaller sizes. a few years ago they launched the little mini can. >> i love those things. they're awesome. i love that. it's actually -- that's actually a very smart move. it's just the opposite of like the super sizing. you get those little things. i'll just grab a little bit and go. >> they want you to think about it that way. they're pushing for the old-fashioned glass bottles which i like a lot. but the problem is -- >> but they have other stuff, right. they make my smart water which i love. >> it's a coke product. >> does it work? can i have some? >> my son thinks i'm brilliant. he's 2. >> minute maid. >> yeah, and coconut water, honest tea, which is organic. they have sort of diversified. >> do they have like a war room? did they hunker down -- i mean did they apply any political strategies to this battle for their survival?

did they start responding to attacks? did they get more aggressive? >> they do fight sort of taxes and bans and they do sort of fund research projects to look at sort of soda's role in americans' diet and they do really try to get people to think about it differently. starting last year they started releasing their own anti-obesity ads. >> it's funny because all the talk and all the fear and all the arguments about obamacare, the reality is why are we so sick. you've talked about this, mika. $190 billion a year spent on obesity costs. the obesity is coming down the pipe. there will be some major lawsuits kind of like tobacco was. in your reporting did you get the sense that there was a corporate level of nervousness or fear about a -- not an independent pushbacks about obesity and i'm not picking on coke, any of them, or just a real the government is going to

come down on us. >> coke is actually facing a lawsuit right now through vitamin water, which they purchased, i think in, 2007. a consumer advocacy group sued them in 2009 and the suit is ongoing saying that vitamin water isn't healthy and they market it incorrectly. coke denies all that and they're in the process of working that out. so they are already -- >> that's so interesting. and the company itself is doing a lot of great things. you know, it is a society that has plenty of choices and people made the choices, they wanted the product and they made it, so it's not all just coke creating some -- >> we've talked to some of their leaders. some of their leaders -- >> really good people. >> who are trying to move the company forward. >> claire, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> come back sometime. we'll look for the latest issue of "bloomberg business week" and your piece on the cover. >> what's wrong sharknado boy. >> he's just dirty. >> shaumart water, i just want

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welcome back to "morning joe." time to get serious now and talk some football. host of the big 10 network dave r revsine is here. we're going to talk about the birth of this great game that has exploded into what it is today but let's talk about this upcoming season first. i know there's someone at this table who would be interested to know how the crimson tide are coming into the season. are they still near the top? >> i think they are. i have them number one on my top three. >> good pandering. >> if the show were "morning

willie" i would have picked vanderbilt. so michigan state from the big ten. i think they're being overlooked. ohio state, michigan state won the rose bowl. the best defensive coordinator in the game, so that's my top three. >> and the s.e.c., still the best strongest conference in the country? >> to the victors go the spoils. they have been the powerhouse league for the last eight years or so, so we'll see if anyone can challenge them. right now the s.e.c. is the best league in college football. >> everybody is talking about the playoff this year. a lot of people have been waiting for it for years and years and years and years. here it is. how does the change the season for you? how should we look at this season differently than others? >> it's going to be interesting with the selection committee. they're going to start in october every week releasing their rankings so you'll have a sense of who the top four are and what kind of flexibility there is there and what people need to do to break into that top four. so i think it's going to be -- obviously, as you said, people

have been waiting for this for years so it's going to be an interesting dynamic to see how this plays out. how much they put on strength of schedule, winning your conference. >> do you think the ncaa goes to eight games? like four is the start. this is the test tube version and see if we go bigger with it? >> i think there's some that feel there's an air of inevitability about that. >> you cut it off at four, there are always going to be three or four teams that say they should be there. >> look at the ncaa tournament, you cut it off at 68 and team 69 is getting bent out of shape. there's always somebody on the margin. >> team five will not be happy. >> so much better than just two, obviously. but who does this help? as an alabama fan i'm happy because as long as saban is there, we're in the playoffs every time and we can lose a game and still be there. but what other teams does this help? >> i think it does give you more of a margin for error so to a

certain extent it helps everyone. i don't think alabama needs much help. i just think the margin for error, there's a little more intrigue. sometimes there was a feeling if you lost certainly more than once you were done. now i think it's certainly possible that a team could get into this final four with two losses. >> it also stops the consolation games. >> nick saban said the other day i couldn't get my guys up to a consolation game and bob stoops said it didn't look like a consolation game when you scored first. i just love the back and two between those two giant egos in college football. the biggest story in the off-season, other than the fact that jameis winston stole some king crab legs from a supermarket was this northwestern story. two northwestern grads here. the players there wanted to unionize. what were they after specifically? is this something that happens beyond northwestern down the road? >> i would say there were two

huge stories, that one and the ed o'bannon trial talking about the amateur model in college athletics and the name image and likeness. what were those guys after? frankly, they were after the ability to have better medical care, they were after, you know, perhaps this full cost of attendance meeting that in addition to your tuition and room and board being paid for, all of your expenses are paid for as well. we've seen a lot of movement. we've seen this big concussion settlement here a couple of days ago, $70 million, so there's been some movement. some of the things that they have been talking about i think have been percolating for years and so maybe this just heighten the process. >> so tell us about the book and about the tumultuous birth of football nation. >> well, kind of the conclusion of the book, joe, is that everything that's happening in college football today, all of the positive things, the great crowd support and the excitement and the fact that it's the front porch of universities, this pr momentum, the media coverage and

all the negative stuff, the recruiting scandals, the academics, huge injury crisis as we know now and there was an enormous one back then, that all of that started in this period that i cover, which is 1890 to 1915. >> wow! >> you would be blown away. >> there's an incredible scene in the book where teddy roosevelt, this is 110 years ago, calls the heads of the football programs to the white house and said we've got to make this game safer, which has echos obviously of what we're seeing today. >> very similar to today. and there are incredible parallels. you could go through each one of those issues. you're right. teddy roosevelt was a huge advocate of the game. he said -- there was a great quote where he said it would be pure unmanly folly to man the game because a few people are getting hurt on the field. now, this is a guy who, as you recall, got shot giving a campaign speech and finished his speech -- >> kept going. >> no unmanly folly for him. >> but he had to call the leaders of princeton, yale and

harvard, which were the big three in football at the time, and basically said figure this out. they did. they introduced the forward pass, among other things, which opened up the game. >> it's a great book if you love college football, if you love american history acres good read. dave revsine, thanks. he went from bailing out wall street to living on the streets. why neel kashkari spent a week living homeless and whether or not it will make a difference to california voters this fall. we'll talk to him when we come back. she's still the one for you.

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nowadays? >> it's been bad everywhere. >> republican california gubernatorial candidate neel kashkari went on a mission to find out just how bad the job market is in california with only $40 in his pocket and a backpack. he went to fresno, california, for a week with one goal, to find a job. and neel wrote about what happened in this morninge's "wal street journal." he joins u ns now from sacramen. >> so neel, what happened? >> i couldn't find a job. i'm 41 years old. i'm going to try really hard to find a job. nobody was hiring. the thing that amazed me was i didn't see a single "help wanted" sign the entire week but i saw fast food restaurants are now accepting food stamps. so the notion that california is back, it just rings hollow for millions of californians, 24% of whom are living in poverty today. >> well, we hear about how great the economy is going. i talk about 4% growth.

wall street is just absolutely exploding. the thing that bothers us is, and we talk about it every day on this show, that the rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer. there are, let's just say it, john edwards is right, there are two americas. wall street is doing great and main street is withering on the vine. >> yeah. when the fed pumped so much money into the economy, it does push up asset prices, which helps the owners of those assets but doesn't generate real economic growth that. means we need pro-growth economic policies so we can manufacture here in california. we can actually have enough water to feed our farms. we can put people back to work. we know how to do this, but we have to make big changes, big pro-growth changes in order to rebuild the middle class. >> michael steele is with us from washington and has a question. michael. >> hey, neel, it's good to see you, man. you are part of an emerging group of republicans who are really putting a focus on issues of poverty, issues that are reflecting on jobs and the like.

you're down in the polls right now against a, quote unquote, popular incumbent governor. how will you translate your experience certainly in fresno, but more broadly the principles and policies you want to bring to leadership to govern california so that you do have a real fighting chance in this race? >> well, jerry brown is ducking. he doesn't want to talk about poverty, doesn't want to talk about unemployment, doesn't want to talk about california schools, which are some of the worst in the country. i'm not going to let him get away with it. i'm going to use every creative tactic imaginable to drag him out of the cocoon his father built for him to force a conversation. if we force a conversation, they can we can really make big things happen. >> nicolle wallace. >> i know a lot of people, republicans all around the country are excited about you, not just in the state where i know you're behind in the polls but nationally. is what's happening in washington making it easier for you or harder for you to get your message across to california voters?

>> i don't think what's happening in washington is having that much effect. right now a lot of republicans in california, because we've lost so many elections for so many years, a lot of republicans have thrown up their hands and said it's impossible. i don't believe it's impossible. i wouldn't be running for governor if i thought it was impossible. if we reach every group out there, latinos, african-americans, asians, caucasians, gays and lesbians, everyone, with a positive economic message focused on economic opportunity, we can grow the republican party. we can win and we can fix california. i'm convinced of it. >> neel kashkari, thank you very much for being on the show and sharing your story. >> thank you for having me. >> we'll be right back. much more "morning joe." creates something else as well: jobs all over america. engineering and innovation jobs. advanced safety systems & technology. shipping and manufacturing. across the united states, bp supports more than a quarter million jobs. when we set up operation in one part of the country, people in other parts go to work. that's not a coincidence.

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you guys are watching "morning joe" over on msnbc, we like those guys over there, this morning, you might have caught this. they just finished talking about the middle east and israel and i guess one of the hosts, mika, still had that on her mind. she was going out to break. listen to this. >> still ahead, a new health care crisis. the u.s. surgeon general is calling for immediate action to stop the rise of skin cancer. he'll explain why the new cause of concern. keep it right here on morning jew -- joe. [ laughter ]

>> it got worse. she said we'll be right black -- back. >> it's okay. >> i need a vacation. >> i'm exhausted after today. >> what did you learn? >> i'm an idiot. >> what did i learn? sharknado 2, big hit, brian sullivan. >> massive. what did you learn? >> i'm going to watch out for him when he starts taking medicines off prescription. >> i've learned that everybody that loves america needs to love coca-cola and follow donny deutsch on instagram. >> hey, here's chuck. see you tomorrow. >> have a good day. the clock is ticking down. time is running out for congress to officially do nothing as the smell of jet fuel across the potomac sparks some last-minute legislative -- no, it isn't. it's just sniping and griping. it's not the usual last-minute recess business. this hour white house spokesman josh earnest on the border bill