bills they sent to the senate -- >> thank you all very much. you can find our big question and weigh in on the debate on our facebook page. that is all for today. we'll be back next week. if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." strong condemnation at this hour from the state department and the u.n. reacting to an israeli air strike earlier today outside of a u.n. school. ten civilians killed. israel dropping leaflets from the sky in gaza that warn the battle is ongoing against hamas. also, a lot of questions about ebola ever since an american doctor returned to the u.s. with the virus. the leading expert in the u.s. medical response to the virus will join us to help us separate fact from fiction. so far there's no real panic but people are very concerned. >> toxic water in toledo. 400,000 people in ohio there are scrambling to find drinkable water. the city is under a state of

emergency. we'll have the latest on their situation. also, some call it a seeing eye ring. m.i.t. calls it a finger reader. it helps the visually impaired read, and it is today's "big idea." good afternoon to you all, folks. i'm t.j. holmes in today for mr. craig melvin. we'll begin with those new developments in the middle east. the u.n. secretary-general and the u.s. state department both condemning an attack in gaza today that killed ten palestinian civilians and wounded dozens outside a u.n. school. witnesses say the air strike landed outside the entrance of that school where the victims were waiting in line for food when the missile hit. the school is sheltering roughly 3,000 palestinians. state department spokesperson jen socki this afternoon saying the u.s. is, quote, appalled by today's disgraceful shelling, end quote. u.n. secretary-general calling the attack, quote, a moral outrage and a criminal act.

lieutenant colonel peter learner, a spokesman for the israeli defense forces told my colleague, alex witt, they are investigating. >> we were targeting and successfully targeted two or three terror -- or militants that were on a motorcycle moving at a quick speed. we're investigating the outcome and the circumstances of this strike, but we do know we got our target. we have to see what happened in the aftermath and in the surroundings. >> learner also said some official forces have left gaza with you they're leaving a contingent on the ground to dismantle the tunnels. let me bring in nbc's martin fletcher. martin, give us the very latest and the details about what we know about this attack at the u.n. school. >> reporter: well, peter lerner said they were targeting two or three militiamen on a motorbike driving by the school. they hit it with a rocket. the eyewitnesses from the school said that when the motor bike

drove by the school, there was a sudden explosion killing the people on the back but shrapnel from the explosion, which happened right outside the school when it was crowded in the yard there, shrapnel flew through the crowd, ten people killed, many more wounded, and although israel is saying, well, we're investigating, that's what they always say, i believe it's the seventh or eighth time that a u.n. facility has been hit by israel while they're targeting hamas militiamen who they say are working in the area. the nevertheless the question is if they're targeting two or three guys on a motor bike moving fast why couldn't they get until it moved by the u.n. facility. that's one of the questions israel was investigating and they need to find out if it was a successful attempt. but the rapid, very intense condemnation from the united

nations and from the united states certainly has the israeli leadership reeling and they have to finish that investigation very quickly if it's going to have any impact in saving israel's reputation, which is taking a rude battering in this conflict as you can imagine. killing now 1,800 palestinians. >> martin, in the minute i have left here, can you give us the latest on the troop redeployments or the troops being pulled out? weapons of mass destruction there was supposed to be some pullback but also israel is dropping leaflets in the gaza strip warning that the battle is ongoing. >> well, that's right, t.j. actually, it's more than some pullback. it's a very large pullback. most of the -- the israelis say most of their ground forces, the troops and the vehicles, the tanks, the apcs have actually left the gaza strip. they told residents of the northern towns where most of the intense fighting was on, israel told them they could return. but they've also been warning it's not over yet.

there is still severe fighting in the area where that school was hit and israel is still trying to destroy the last remaining tunnel that it knows about. but israel has said they're going to be leaving troops along the entire length of the gaza border waiting to see what will happen, whether the rockets will fade out. israel is not taking part in the cease-fire negotiations. the assumption is even without israel, some kind of agreement will be worked out between hamas's islamic jihad, the militant organizations, and those speaking on behalf of israel. egypt, maybe the palestinians on the west bank, trying to reach an agreement which will be presented later to israel. if israel is not party to an agreement and if there's a unilateral halt to the violence by israel, well, hamas is already responded by saying that's not good enough because they would not have achieved their first major goal of getting the siege lifted. so if the siege is not lifted

within the context of an understanding, hamas says israel will soon be getting a war of attrition. hamas says they will not stop firing rockets at israel, so instead of the 1 1/2 to 2-year lull between fighting, it could just peter on and that's what nobody wants right now, t.j. >> nbc's martin fletcher. thank you so much as always for the update. we'll stay on up of developments. let's turn back to the major story happening here in the u.s. at this hour. dr. kent brantly's condition is improving. he's being treated at emory hospital in atlanta. he spent 45 minutes with his family. his wife said he's in good spirits and is happy to be back in the u.s. nancy writebol, the other american infected ebola, is expected back in the u.s. sometime this week. according to the world health organization, the virus has killed 729 people. the centers for disease control

says they are sending a team of health experts to the region and outlined how the virus can be stopped. >> we do know how to stop ebola. it's old-fashioned, plain and simple public health. find the patients, make sure they get treated, find their contacts, track them, educate people, do infection control in hospitals. if you do those things, but you have to do them really well, and ebola goes away. >> let me bring in jeffrey lundy, mayor of brooklyn park, minnesota, where concerned residents are gathering at a town hall meeting about ebola this evening. also dr. anthony fouchauci. let me start with you, mr. mayor. why? why do you think it's necessary for you all to be having a meeting there in your town to kind of, i guess, warn people or just alert people or educate people? >> yeah, it's more about education. 8% to 10% of my city is of west

african descent. even though the disease physically is not here, mentally it is. people are feeling the effects, family and friends in their homeland. for them day in and day out this is affecting them. we're trying to say lets get our energies how can we help send relief and get mental health services for those suffering the trauma. >> you're telling some of your first responders are' rkting as well. they're taking some precautions. what are they doing and i guess why do you think that's necessary as well? >> yeah. i think initially we are focused more on the medical side of it, the physical, and now with the help of the minnesota department of health and the cdc, we're really focusing not so much on the medical but how can we help support our communities. so i think our first responders were just following procedure but now we're really focused on how can we help the community deal with this. >> who is they? who are you going to have in this meeting to help people through you say mental health issues. it's almost -- you sound like

you're trying to give frankly just some moral support to a lot of these families? >> yep. absolutely. you think about when a school has a tragedy, the next day there's trauma counsellors and people there to help kids deal with it. every day we have 8,000 to 10,000 people in our community that are hearing news, text messages, e-mails about family members that may or may not be affected. we're saying that's important. to do that we really need to treat them as we would any kind of trauma situation. and so that's what we're really doing and the relief effort is really about giving people an energy, where they can put their emergency to help people, those friends and family members at home. >> are you personally concerned ebola to make it's way to the u.s. and maybe in particular to your city because of that large liberian population you have? >> i'm not concerned. we've had lots of conversation with medical experts and they've helped us understand better, and so we're really focusing on the community. i work a lot with these community organizations, there's language barriers.

people can get excluded quite easily, and we want to say you're part of our city, and we want to make sure we're supporting your efforts. and that town hall meeting is to help continue that process. >> mayor, lundy, thank you so much. brak lynn park, minnesota. i want to turn to dr. anthony fauci, director of the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases. when you hear that, does that sound like the right reaction, an understandable reaction unique to that community or do more communities need to have those types of meet sntion. >> the mayor just made a good point about alever yating some anxiety and getting some information and education to his community because i'm sure they have a lot of different questions. some of them may have relatives or loved ones or friends there in west africa and i think talking it out and helping them out is not a bad idea. >> what is your reaction to the reaction? certainly after dr. brantly landed in the u.s. yesterday and, you know, social media is a

big deal. it can be great for getting information out and misinformation out. what is your reaction now to the reaction to having him here and it seems just there's a lot of fear and that anxiety you just spoke of. >> there shouldn't be fear and anxiety because very, very clearly the kinds of precautions, the protocols, the isolation capabilities that they have in emory in atlanta make it such that there really is no risk to the american public, and they really need to understand that this virus can be contained. it is only spread with direct contact with body fluids, be that when people vomit, they have diarrhea, they have blood. that's how it's spread. and so when you have the proper precautions as dr. frieden just said on the show when you showed that little clim p of him, thatt easily can be contained. so people should not be concerned. >> let me put this in as plain a

english as anybody can understand. i am on a plane with somebody with ebola. they are sitting on the seat next to me and they sneeze, should i be concerned? >> no. it's not spread like flu or tuberculosis. you have to be in direct contact with the bodily fluids. >> let me ask another contact. they sneeze on their hand, they have their hand on the hand rest between us and then i touch the same one. should i be concerned? >> there's no evidence whatsoever that if somebody sneezes that they're going to be spreading the virus. that's for sure. it's when people are taking care of sick people and have their hands or their body on blood, on feces, on vomit. not somebody in a plane in an open space. so i think we need to get that off the table of people worry being that. >> i think you're absolutely right but we keep hearing these things over -- and i know you hear them out there as well. the next person, and i know -- do you think you're winning at all? because to some degree folks like yourself and doctors are

trying to get this information out and, frankly, a lot of people don't trust government and just trust the way it's going to work the way you all say it's going to work. anything can happen. when you have someone like a donald trump, i'm not trying to give so much credence to everything he says, but he has a good following, a big following, a big social media following, and he's out there saying this should not be allowed. these people should not be allowed into the country. how are you combatting that type of misinformation that's being put out there or the fear that's being fueled by some people like that? >> well, what we're doing is we're trying to get the correct evidence based information out from what we know of extensive experience with this particular disease. and that's one of the reasons why i'm talking to you, t.j., right now, and why we have been on shows and the cdc has and i have to get the evidence-based information out, that with the proper containment, this is not going to be an outbreak here. it's a very difficult situation in west african countries because their health care infrastructure is just not

capable of containing the spread superimposed upon the customs of how people handle sick people or people who actually die. so there's always that hypothetical that someone could get infected in west africa, get on a plane, and come here and then get sick here. would we be able to handle it? the answer is absolutely yes because of our capabilities of isolating and taking care of people under the proper conditions. >> where are we on a vaccine? >> well, the vaccine is something that is moving along rather rapidly. we at the nih, and there have been a number of candidates and i have been speaking about this, did a study in animals and on human primates and the vaccine looked very good in protecting the monkeys and in the beginning of september we're going to go into early phase one trials to see if it's safe to give to humans and if it induces a response that you would predict would be protective. we're moving along rather rapidly and the first normal volunteer human studies will take place in september. but it will probably take quite

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during lulls in the fighting, palestinians have been trying to salvage their belongings and search for remains. relatives were divided over how to respond to the strike that turned this house into a tomb. an uncle wants vengeance. you want us to surrender? we won't, he said. either we live in this country with peace and dignity or we will die with pride. but his brother-in-law hamdi told us he wants a deal with israel. we've had war after war, he said. our people want nothing more than to live in peace and dignity. israel wants quiet and says it will stop fighting when that happens. >> that was nbc chief foreign correspondent rich ee eel -- ri engel. a battle is ongoing against leaders of hamas, this as the united nations and the u.s. state department both strongly condemn an israeli air strike

outside a u.n.-run school that killed ten people in gaza this morning. do want to bring in our brain trust now. david rohode, also goldie taylo and former congressman patrick murphy, an msnbc contributor and first veteran of the iraq war to serve in congress. we talk about those strong statements that came out today, one from the u.s. state department says the united states is appalled by today's disgraceful shelling outside of that school in rafa. patrick, let me start with you. what do you make of the two statements today and either one of these strong statements going to change calculations for israel? >> i think skaisrael will take step back. they will pause and you're seeing some troop withdrawal from the gaza right now there. but i will say to you, t.j., and goldie can tell you this as a

marine, and david could tell you this as an investigators. war is messy, and those two or three militants that were on the motorcycle that were targeted from the air strike, you know, israel has a right to self-defense. now, that doesn't excuse they were shot down outside the school but we don't know the facts and if they were lobbing artillery shells and putting israelis in harm's way and trying to use the u.n. as a cover, which they have done in the past, that doesn't excuse the fact that israel has a right to self-defense. >> goldie, how do we balance that? we hear that from certainly israel a lot, we have the right to self-defense and it seems like many in the international community certainly will cede that point. there seems to be ramping up of con tdemnation when the body cot is ramping up. >> i agree israel has a right to

her own self-defense and we can't unrainfall 50 years of strife and turmoil in the region but what we can say is israel can and should and must answer meaningful questions about how they've exacted this conflict, about how they have targeted. they have some of the most powerful intelligence in the world that we know today, and a very powerful military force. we've got to know if they were targeting two or three people on motorcycles, how then did they kill ten people in a nearby u.n. school? those questions have to be asked, and i think that israel does have the responsibility, the moral responsibility to answer and not simply write it off to collateral damage. certainly i don't believe that they're actively targeting women and children but the fact of the matter is more than 20% of those dead among palestinians happen to be children. someone has to answer for that and i think that's answers have to be complete. >> let me bring you in as we listen to the israeli ambassador

this morning on "meet the press." >> so is there a military solution to the hamas problem? >> yes and israel is working hard to degrade their capability. >> degrade? can you eliminate -- >> you can. there's a cost for any action that you have -- >> is israel willing to pay it? >> unfortunatentunately israel y threats. we live in a very, very unstable region. >> can they eliminate hamas. degrade is one thing with the tunnels, but can you eliminate hamas? >> how do you eliminate a militant group living among 1.7 million palestinians on the gaza strip? that's the problem. and hamas is despicable in many, many ways in terms of the civilians, the palestinian civilians they've killed. but i don't think there's purely a military solution to this. i think you need a peace agreement. you need to reach out to more moderate palestinians and reward them and delegitimize hamas in the eyes of palestinians. you know, a reoccupation of gaza

by the israeli army, i don't think that's the answer long term to this struggle. >> we'll continue. we're keeping a close eye on this situation and any updates we get, we will bring them to you. i want to switch to immigration for a second. i need to go to governor rick perry. let's listen to what he had to say this morning and i will try to get you to interpret it for me. >> what i'm prepared to do is not just the national guard but our department of public safety, our texas ranger recon teams, the parks and wildlife wardens we have deployed there, and i will suggest to you there will be other individuals who come to assist in securing that border. that's what -- i think that's what the american people want. they'd like to see a president who leads this country and says, you know what? we do have a problem on our southern border. we're going to deal with it. >> david, i got you right here. what does he mean other people? just to that point, what does he mean other people, other individuals who might come to try to secure that border? >> it's not clear, and to be honest he threw out this wild

figure about illegal immigrants committing 3,000 homicides in texas. criminologists have looked at that. it's wildly inaccurate. it's not correct. there's a lot of politics in the discussion. i'm not criticizing governor perry and saying which party is right here but it didn't make sense that comment and there is a gamesmanship going on. there's democrats attacking perry back. they want to make political points from this border issue. and what's to alarming is there is no policy issue. >> and patrick it's no secret that he would criticize what's coming out of washington, d.c., and did he this morning in the interview. if no solution is coming out of d.c., is what he's offering, is that a solution? >> no, listen, the head of the national guard, t.j., under president bush basically came out and said i don't think this is the answer. there's no real clear rational to do this. if you talk about the national

guard, they're good for humanitarian crises, good if our nation is attacked. they're good in some of the search and rescue but they're not the law enforcement for the border patrol. that's what the border patrol is for. this is just rhetoric. there is a policy prescription and, unfortunately the policy prescription passed by the senate which was supposed to be voted on by the house never came up for a vote because they're cowards in washington. the house republicans wouldn't even put it up for a vote and they went home for vacation and it's wrong and everyone in america is so frustrated and especially the folks on the border. people i served in iraq with who are texas state troopers are disgusted because they want help and they want to make sure there's a comprehensive solution here. not just rhetoric. >> goldie, you take my last 30 and you tell me is there something to be -- to advance the conversation in what governor perry is doing? >> there's nothing to advance this conversation. look, rick perry is running for president is 2016. that's abundantly clear and this is about scoring political

points. it's not about securing the border. these children are coming and literally flinging themselves into the arms of border agent. it's not that we're not able to keep people off the border. at the end of the day what are the national guard going to do? they're going to -- they have no mandate to secure the border. >> goldie taylor, patrick murphy, david, good to see you all as always. enjoy the rest of your sunday. >> thanks, t.j. >> coming up on the bottom of the hour. new indications young folks ought to be worried especially when it comes to their retirement and health care. our partners at now this news looked at the scary prognosis. at legalzoom you can take care of

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of toxins is going down. >> what we seem to have going on is all of the results -- as a result of the tests continue to improve which gives us more hope that we're going to be able to move forward on this a little quicker in terms of finalizing when the water will be able to be returned to its normal use. >> health officials believe a large allergy bloom in lake erie is responsible for the toxin. more test results are expected within the next few hours. want to turn to an msnbc exclusive on a story this show has been following over three months now. the mayor of latta, south carolina, earl bullard, is here to talk about what's giving his small town nationwide attention. you will remember he caught flack in april when he fired crystal moore from her job. bullard told the chief she was let go for not acknowledging a list of reprimands against her but moore and her supporters allege she was fired because she's a lesbian. when audio recorded by a town

councilman surfaced of the mayor making anti-gay remarks, it only further ignited the controversy. we obtained the recording from the councilman. here is just a portion. >> i would much rather have, and i'll say this to anybody's face, i would much rather have somebody who drank and drank too much taking care of my child than i had somebody whose lifestyle is questionable around children. >> mayor bullard is still the mayor of latta but now in a weakened capacity. voters opted to transfer much of the power to town council. let me bring in latta mayor earl bullard. thank you for being here. you told the associated press that was you on the audio.

so can you say it to mine now and that is that you have a problem with folks who are gay maybe taking care of your children or being around children generally speaking? >> well, the conversation that took place between jared taylor and myself concerned an employee, a past employee of the town who had resigned, and rumors had been rampant of this individual along with her maid, if you will, holding hands and doing things that would be questionable in front of little children, and i still say that in my eyes and the eyes of many others it is hard to explain to a 5-year-old child why marry has two mothers or why stevie has two fathers. in america we are entitled to our personal opinions. >> yes, sir, and your opinion -- >> and that is my personal opinion. >> and your opinion -- you

indicate you're speaking specifically about explaining to children, but why your personal belief you have a problem with homosexuality? >> no, sir, i don't have a problem with homosexuality. if i would have had a problem with homosexuality i would not have appointed the person i did as the interim chief of police who has been rumored for years is gay. i have folks who is gay in my family. does that mean i don't have love them? >> chris y crystal moore said she was fired because she didn't sign the reprimand. the second day she said she was fired for being gay. four days later when she went to the state to draw unemployment, she said she was fired because the reprimands were not just. as the story evolved, her story did, too. now, i don't know the thing about the gayness came from the conversation that jared taylor and i had and we were of the same opinion. the whole tape has not been played. >> sir, to that -- >> and he will not play it.

>> you spoke of crystal moore's reasons she gave for why she was fired. you tell me why she was fired. >> crystal actually forgot that she had a boss. that was her biggest problem. i have known crystal since she was a teenager. i remember when she actually started with the town. she started as a dispatcher in high school and grew from that. i have seen people in other occupations and i have owned businesses for years that there comes a time in some people's eyes when their complacent. they feel they do not have to answer to anyone. >> you said not answer -- >> crystal -- >> well, there is an independent state board that came back and said that she was fired unjustly and that it was not warranted for her to be fired and that there was no insubordination that you speak of now and that she forgot she had a boss. >> yes, sir, well that's the state's opinion, but it does not change mine at all, and i do

have tapes of her in council meetings getting loud. she even objected to me calling her in the mornings and the form of government under which we operated at that time, the mayor is the chief operating officer and all department heads report to them. what i would do is call all department heads every day just to see what was going on. my all-time question was, how are you doing? do you have anything special going on? is there anything i can do to help you? >> sir, to that point about the meetings -- >> just call me. >> about meetings that took place. >> not meetings, just phone calls. >> i guess we're not privy to all those but you gave a thumbs up to her at least we obtained another recording, a town council meeting you spoke in february. it's kind of hard to listen to it but i want our viewers to pay close attention and to you as well to what happened there. it sounds like she was getting a thumbs up from the city council and you. let's listen quickly. >> mayor?

>> none that i see so far. >> so our viewers that was pretty quick. she asked if there were any issues. you said none that i see so far. >> none that i see so far, yes, sir. that was -- go ahead, sir. >> you said that was a little earlier. i want to bring attention as well to something -- i guess this was to the associated press and, again, you didn't step away from the remarks you made in that original recording. you say that's my voice and i have a problem with the lifestyle, and you say here again and i'm quoting, i don't agree with some of the lifestyles that i see portrayed. how am i supposed to interpret that -- >> i do not. >> you do not. and then i asked you specifically you had a problem with people who are homosexual. but you don't agree with some of the lifestyles you see portrayed. if you stand by that statement how can a person, a gay, a lesbian, in your community, crystal moore in particular, feel like she can get a fair shake. if you don't mind saying a statement like that, i don't agree with some of the lifest e

lifestyl lifestyles. >> does that have anything to do with her job performance? no, sir. it shouldn't enter into it and it did not in this case. that's something everybody seems to be jumping on the bandwagon and saying i fired her for being gay. our own grievance committee who is omade up for people who work for the town heard crystal's grievances. they heard the reasons she was fired and they came back with statement that absolutely stated she was not fired for being gay, absolutely not. i'll be glad to furnish you with that thing. >> sure thing, sir. >> these are people that work with me and work with her every day. >> yes, sir, and i know you had your reasons but she was reinstated and the state board that you disagree with said she was not insubordinate. last thing, have you talked to her and tried to work out our differences? >> crystal and i talked right after an individual resigned that was gay, openly gay, just as crystal is, and crystal and i

sat down and talked about her, and there again, i have nothing against a gay person as long as they do their job. i don't care if you're gay, straight, bisexual, it doesn't matter to me. but do your job. bear in mind that you work at the pleasure of the people. now, the first page in our personnel manual states -- let me finish. >> go ahead. >> if you would. >> yes, sir. >> the first statement in that states that anybody can be fired for any reason at any time. now, i didn't fire crystal for being gay. i did fire her for her insubordination and that's really if you took all of the reprimands she was given, that's really what it boils down to. >> again, like you said, you had your reasons, the state certainly disagreed. she's back on the job. maybe this will be a happy ending, we get both of you on together at one point and this will be -- >> well. >> -- a learning moment. i appreciate you taking the

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update now on our top developing story. u.s. state department strongly condemning what it calls a disgraceful attack outside a u.n. school in gaza. ten civilians were killed and dozens wounded if the air strike. israel, for its part, says it was targeting two or three militants who were in the vicinity. the school is sheltering some 3,000 displaced palestinians. the u.s. state department is now calling for an investigation.

meanwhile, israel says more than 55 rockets were fired from gaza at israel today, and two israeli civilians were hit in a town near the israel-gaza border. nbc's martin fletcher is there. have israeli authorities reacted yet to the state department's comments? >> reporter: hi, t.j. not specifically to the state department's comments but they are reeling at the severity and the speed with which the state department and the united nations condemned israel. israel says the army says they're investigating the incident trying to find out what happened. what we know from what israeli officials are saying and also from eyewitnesses who were at the school when israel attacked, they said two or three people were riding a motorbike past the united nations school when it was suddenly hit by a rocket. they said the people on the bike were killed and the shrapnel from that explosion flew inside to the yard of the u.n. school, it killed ten people and

wounded many more. u.n. is outraged, they say this is the seventh or eighth time that israel has hit a u.n. school. when we say school, we're really saying shelters for up to 3,000, 4,000, 5,000 palestinian refugees who already have been chased from their homes by israeli slelg se shelling seeking shelter in the united nations in these empty schools and now in their ref gugrefuge. israel blames the hamas militia men firing those rockets close to the schools, presenting themselves as targets near the civilians. as i say, israel is investigating yet reeling from this new tragedy. >> nbc's martin fletcher, thank you, as always. that is our show for today. we thank you so much for watching us on this sunday afternoon. we will be back next saturday, 2:00 eastern time. until then, keep it here for the latest news and updates round-the-clock.

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