the white house is billing the event as the largest gathering of african leaders ever in washington. a second american missionary affected with ebola is setbrants week are the only ebola patients ever treated in the u.s. ramping up for a potential presidential run, senator rand paul will continue his brief through iowa today. that does it for "way too early." "morning joe" starts right now. stick around. ♪ join us in an effort to restore confidence, dignity and decorum to this institution. >> former white house press secretary james brady died today at the age of 73. >> only 69 days after ronald reagan took office. >> one bullet striking reagan in the chest. another penetrating brady's skull. >> the tragedy turned brady's wife sarah and eventually brady

himself into advocates for gun control. >> what may be an emerging genocide. shiite men are herded together and executed in mass graves. >> news about the experimental drug used to treat that american doctor infected now back here in the united states. >> a doctor in liberia describes it as miraculous. >> these two americans may save a lot of lives. >> by her suffering in this, she may be able to help countless more. >> a patient came to mt. sinai's emergency room with symptoms of fever. >> doctors now awaiting the results of tests on a man at a major manhattan hospital. >> given the amount of travel, it wouldn't be entirely surprising if there would be a case that would show up here in the u.s. >> today's temporary cease-fire was a chance for gazans to bury some of those killed. >> but minutes after the israeli initiated truce began, a missile hit a house in gaza city. >> there's nowhere here.

>> israeli will honor the cease-fire and will be watching to see if hamas does too. good morning! welcome to "morning joe." it's tuesday, august 5th. a lot to talk about today. with us on set to help us do that msnbc contributor mike barnicle and former communications director for george w. bush. where is the sarah palin line in there? >> i think it got edited out. it disappears. >> who would edit that out? that would be the top thing. joe scarborough, sarah palin, what were you, sarah palin? communications director? >> tutor. >> do not say that! that is condescending. >> i think on campaigns oftentimes your staff takes on a role getting you ready. >> just a lot of different things. >> like you are for barnicle here. >> i was a staffer. >> he also helps with the clothing and it's working very well. >> thank you. >> also, we have, mike, this is impressive. the chairman of deutsche, inc.

>> i'm so xoited. >> how many chairmans do you have here? >> how many are on the board? >> my mother. >> before we get started -- >> no, no, no. >> you're wearing a bracelet. i know it's your show but you're wearing a bracelet. >> i paid for this microphone, mr. green. yeah. i wear it all the time. >> i've never seen that. >> you got the things undone? little donny deutsche going on! >> no! not even close to donny deutsche. you've got like pimp my ride like beads there and s&m. >> i can't believe we are going here already. are we going here? >> they all have children meaning. >> sensitive. >> it's all children's stuff. are we going to show my instagrams tonight? >> women see the bracelets and they know that donny cares.

>> thank you. >> and then they go on his instagram account and they know he is one -- >> i haven't seen his instagram. >> and my dogs and puppies are children. >> one on your account was so bad we couldn't show you had your two little girls right below your pecs. it was disgusting. we are going to have to raise the level. >> i agree. >> we have somebody else here, right? somebody else? >> there must be! >> in washington, staff writer with "the hill" we want to apologize, elise. >> no problem. >> here is the good news, elise. you had to sit through all of that. that is the bad news. the good news is you don't have to sit on set with donny deutch. >> it just means i can't see the bracelets, joe. i can't see them. >> oh, my gosh. >> the technology of television. here they are. >> oh, there they are. >> james brady, yesterday, he passed away. >> a great man.

>> great man. >> courageous man. >> obviously, somebody who stayed very close to the reagans throughout his life. >> a courageous man, a great man. obviously, everyone knows what happened to james brady. shot, nearly killed, in an assassination attempt on ronald reagan, and spent the rest of his life, he and his wife, forming a committee, the brady group that still, today, and has for a long, long time, promoted gun safety. never gave up, he never gave in. >> sarah brady has been also real fighter for the cause for sometime. actually ronald reagan played a very big role, you know? in 1994, they actually had great influence over ron and nancy reagan to get ronald reagan on the phone and make those calls, nicole, when they were trying to pass assault weapon ban but for ronald reagan that would never passed. the brady name also bore his

name. you know, he really did have a huge impact and is a great example of taking what happens. we had a friend of mine on last week, bob bell got paralyzed his freshman year and he had to decide what am i going to do with my life? that's what james brady did and he made a great difference. >> the debate is sorely going to miss him. one of the ugly terrains in the american debate and the bradys have elevated it. they have made it more bipartisan and made it more meaningful and i think they have helped quiet some of the more shrill voices in the debate. the debate over gun safety in this country will be less without them in it. >> no doubt about it. obviously, though, sarah brady will, obviously, continue. >> of course. >> andrea mitchell who, obviously, knew the bradys, looks back on his life. >> reporter: only 69 days after ronald reagan took office.

>> shots were fired at president reagan in washington. >> reporter: six shots were fired. the first meant for the president exploded in the head of the white house press secretary james brady. brady had always been known as "the bear." big, irreverent even at his boss's expense. when president reagan said trus produced pollution by carbon monoxide, brady joked about killer trees. above all, brady was trusted. >> i wouldn't tell you something if it wasn't the truth. >> reporter: after he was shot brady fought for his loiven and struggled to speak and to walk. the reagans insisted he keep the title of press secretary and renamed the briefing room in his honor. >> i hope this room is always filled as much integrity and good humor as jim brady has brought to it. >> reporter: nancy reagan joked about reports he gave her the job because he wasn't good looking. >> i keep giving jim my y&h.

>> reporter: jim and sarah brady worked against gun violence. the assault weapons ban lasted ten years until congress let it lapse. after gaby gifford was shot, jim brady again speaking out. >> he is still just as funny. that's a wonderful word. >> funny looking. >> reporter: his neurosurgeon remembers that fateful day. >> to me his greatest achievement was saving the life of the president of the united states. he walked right in the line of fire. >> reporter: jim brady lived for another 33 years and valiant to the end. >> he certainly was and jim brady was 73 years old. we continue now on with news on the ebola virus with another possible scare. the united states latest in new york city. officials are now awaiting test results from a man who showed up at manhattan's mt. sinai hospital yesterday after returning from west africa with symptoms associated with the virus. fever and gastrointestinal

problems. officials don't know whether the man has the disease, but say he is being isolated out of an abundance of caution. hospital officials stress the virus is transmitted only through bodily fluids and not through casual contact. you have, obviously, the newspapers in the tabloids in the city certainly talking about the ebola scare in new york. from new york to atlanta. atlanta hospital is awaiting the arrival of a second american who is infected while working in west africa. a plane carrying u.s. missionary nancy writebol left early in the morning and expected to arrive later today. one doctor, a decorated air force colonel and surgeon, says while he trusts doctors at emery emory hospital, it was foolish

to bring ebola patients to the united states. >> they could have taken the medical equipment and the experimental serum to africa and treat the patients this rather than bring the patients here and in fact, the continental united states even though the risk is minuscule. >> elise, tell us about this. >> it's an interesting interesting, joe. obviously, you see those headlines. i think what the public does not necessarily understand about this virus, even if there isn't a major danger of epidemic here in the united states or a major outbreak, by transferring a patient to u.s. soil, you create a pathway where ebola could ultimately reemerge again. it's minuscule as the doctor said, the risk is very, very small, but i think that is something that has gone unroverted about thu unreported about this outbreak. the last time we saw ebola only

in one region in western africa and probably to make it to more country's by week's end. by creating those pathways the risk arises not only to americans, but people around the world. >> elise, do we know what mode of transportation this patient is being flown to the united states with? is it a military plane, a charter flight? it's certainly not a commercial flight, is it? >> it's an evac plane going i believe, to liberia and arrive in atlanta today and she will be brought back and apparently she is doing very well because the two american aid workers who were infected were brought a ground breaking serum has that produced great results. we know that isn't something available to most people with ebola in west africa and raising ethical questions there. it's likely these two are going to survive which is pretty incredible i'd say. >> it's important to notice the between this and sars. this is not something somebody can get breathing in the air.

>> that's right. >> it has to be bodily fluids so it is something we have to be concerned about but it is not the same level of exposure just for the average person walking around. >> no, it's not. it's important for people in new york city waking up and seeing the papers and hear about this man who may or may not have ebola. health officials think he probably doesn't but people are thinking i rode the subway with this guy. you won't go to ebola what the cdc tells me. i interviewed all of the officials there. apparently people who are getting are health workers or people involved with the bury rituals in north africa. it's not like somebody could cough on you and you would get ebola. >> let's move on to more news out of new york. this is, oh, man, this is bad news. bad news, mike. two police unions today are holding events in new york city to show support for the officer who is linked to the death of a staten island make any

difference who was put under an apparent chuokehold. eric garden ner said he could n breathe. any results is in the staten island district attorney general. they are calling for the justice department to investigate with some noticing historically strong support for the nypd in staten island and that could impact the case. this is one of the things, mike, you hate to see, obviously. the supporters of the police at the same time. you look what happened on videotape. it appears from, like, it was just such an openly excessive use of force. now that it's been ruled a homicide, there's some tough decisions that are going to have to be made. >> it's the first big test for

bi bill de blasio. the cops have been identified. obviously, the medical examiner has ruled its death by homicide. >> by the way, this guy is in a choke hold because he is selling untaxed cigarettes. >> yeah. >> untaxed cigarettes. look. untaxed cigarettes. >> and all he is doing is talking to them. >> and asking -- >> right. >> there was nothing physical happening. so i think this is a test -- >> broken windows? >> well, i think that everyone -- i think there is a republican instinct to stand up for and always take the side of law enforcement because they have one of the most difficult jobs around. but i think -- >> and traditionally conservatives have stood up for police officers. >> firefighters. >> firefighters, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. and there are some on the far

left have not. let's just put it that way. >> this video, to me, i think, is a real test for whether what we all can see plainly with our eyes is going to be reflected in the outcome and in the policy, because i think anyone watching and if you're still forming your opinions about law enforcement and you see that someone gets away with that where this was unprovoked violence against someone. the original sin was selling cigarettes. >> yeah. unbelievable. the question is again you have to ask -- what if it were your son? >> right. your husband, your father. >> what if it were your father. >> and you could not talk to law enforcement. >> that was killed and not allowed to ask a question. i'm sorry. this is pretty -- unless something else comes out based on the video, this is pretty clean-cut and we have to say it's pretty clean-cut. yes we stand and salute the nypd and always support them whenever we can but when something is this clean-cut, you know what? it's not enough to say they are a cop and it's okay.

it's not okay if there is was nothing more to that. and sometimes there is more than meets the eye. i haven't heard it yet. i'm certainly waiting to hear it. >> let me be the liberal who actually supports law enforcement. my grandfather was actually a cop. obviously, that speaks for itself, but whether it's doctors, lawyers, baseball players, advertise executives, journalist, there are going to be some low lives in every profession. >> understood. >> the question is what do you do with the low lives? >> you prosecute them. >> that's where i think this becomes interesting and maybe troubling. the instinct is to rally around your fellow police officer but i don't know that you want this guy's actions to speak for the entire department. >> they need to get more information out. >> there is an investigation. >> they need to do the investigation. we need to get all of the information out there. but to blindly support a guy who did this choke-hold on this guy for selling untaxed cigarettes.

>> it looks bad. >> it looks really, really bad. speaking of looking really bad, let's go to the middle east. after four weeks, there are renewed hopes at least, how long is a cease-fire going to effect? >> five hours. >> yeah, five hours and see how long that lasts. there are hopes to end the latest round of just horrific violence between israeli and hamas. overnight, a 72-hour cease-fire went into effect. in the coming days, egypt plans to hold indirect talks with the two sides about a long-term agreement. also overnight, israeli announced all of its troops are out of gaza after destroying the known tunnels used by hamas to launch their attacks against israeli vilcivilians and soldie. they will up force outside of gaza, but warned it will respond to any attacks. let's bring in richard engel who is live in gaza.

richard, so there has been appear bit of peace and quiet for at least a couple of hours. what is the feeling on the ground? is there a chance this peace could hold? >> reporter: there is a hope here that this peace can hold. this feels different than the other cease-fires. we get a sense here in gaza that things are wrapping up. the biggest gomt wdevelopment w israeli troops pulled out of the gaza area and no foot soldiers or tanks on the ground here. in the past, we had cease-fires but they always broke down because hamas fighters and israeli troops who were here in gaza were in such close proximity that fighting almost inevitably broke out and any hope of negotiate settlement quickly evaporated. now we have a structure in place, a structure moderated by egypt and supposed to last for 72 hours while negotiations take place. hamas has said it agrees to it.

israeli has said it agrees to it. delegations are supposed to be meeting indirect. egyptians meeting with them to come up with a deal. for the entire time i've been here, this is the most hopeful moment that we have seen that this war, one month long, could be wrapping up, but the death toll has been quite significant. this has been a terrible war for both sides. 1900 palestinians almost killed. 64 israeli soldiers and 3 israeli civilians. this has been the deadliest of the three recent wars. >> it has been so deadly. and the violence so horrific. of course, you look at those numbers. 1,800 palestinians killed. 64 israeli soldiers killed. three civilians killed in israeli. there was a report in "wall street journal" morning, elise, that the obama administration, the state department finally had

enough after the final explosion at the u.n. compound where more civilians were killed after warnings that it was a u.n. compound. that's when they decided to make their public statement. i'm curious. first of all, what is the reaction been on the hill this week? secondly, if you can, pass the question to richard engel. >> yeah. absolutely. cl capitol hill has been quiet on the hill and they lost for august resaens we have not heard much from them. this is a congress less interested in foreign policy. you just don't see a lot of reaction. and the silence is deafening when you see a death toll like this. it's pretty interesting. we do know that tensions are at an all-time high between the highest ranking officials in the obama administration and, obviously, the government of benjamin netanyahu. my question for richard, i know that some senior obama

administration officials have really taken a beating on the ground in gaza in terms of public opinion and also just around the world. i'm wondering what you hear about what the white house is doing, if anything, on the ground there? >> normally, in gaza and i've covered the last three wars here, you hear a lot of anti-american sentiment, that the united states is supplying weapons to israeli, that the u.s. is backing israeli blindly, that israeli wouldn't be doing this without the u.s. that is the baseline that we have been hearing here for decades really. this time, we heard a lot less of that. instead, we heard more anger directed directly toward israeli for targeting civilian areas and we heard an enormous amount of anger directed at egypt. the egyptian factor probably has been the least understood and the least reported of this entire conflict. i think at the end of the day, what is happening, the reason we are seeing a deal now, is that

hamas finally decided it was going to go to egypt and have to go to egypt and it would deal with general cc who is against the hamas and muslim brotherhood. you want a deal, you have to go through me and kiss the ring and accept i'm here and here to stay. i think hamas finally relented to that and that's why, i think, we are seeing progress now. it was really more about israeli and egypt this time than the united states. >> richard, we realize that you're in gaza city, but in another area of the middle east which you're very familiar with, isis has taken mosul. they have beaten back the kurd. they have taken the mosul dam, which, as you know and reported on in the past, they could flood the entire area almost down to south of baghdad. the kurds seem to be in critical position here against isis. what do you think is the role of

the united states in helping the kurds? >> reporter: well, the kurds -- so just to frame the question herein i think it's an important question so thank you for asking it. i was in baghdad a month ago and seems like a whole liz ago when isis was marching toward baghdad and it looked like the militants were going to take baghdad. the is started sending in more weapons and started accepteding in advisers. the shiite militias started to fight back and isis realized they couldn't take baghdad and couldn't continue their southern march. what did they do? they changed directions and they started going north and west, even to a degree, the east, anywhere else and they started fighting against kurdish militias and they have been having a lot more success fighting with them and taking new territory.

they took new ground in tikrit and mosul and taking that dam. now the u.s. has to realize is it going to arm the kurds? is it going to not just deal with baghdad? is it going to go directly and relate to the kurdish authorities? that opens up the question of the pkk and the pkk is a militant group that is fighting isis which the united states considers a terrorist organization. to arm and help the kurds, the u.s. would have to decide it's going to work with the pkk, which it considers a terrorist group officially, and i think there is a legal problem that is helping -- that is preventing that from happening right now. >> certainly no easy answers there. no more so than where you're standing. richard engel, thank you so much. we appreciate it. still ahead on "morning joe," michael bloomberg and secretary of state of commerce are going to be here ahead of today's inaugural business

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today! >> i don't know what to do. cornucopia of news today, my friends and i really don't know where to go. it's like i'm going out of the supermarket. mike, i have too much in my arms. they are spilling on the ground. there's so much to talk about. >> yesterday, everyone who was left in washington with the congressional recess, they were at mike allen's lunch with david plouffe. the biggest draw ever for david plouffe he is the next white house chief of star or not, mike? what is the deal? >> sure looks like it. you remember david plouffe. >> how could we forget? >> during the hillary contest, he was the button down calm one who complained about the bed wetters around him who were getting worried. he was stead as she goes. then in the white house, the senior adviser. we hear from people very close to the white house that he is most likely to come in as the last chief of staff. denis mcdonough who has been with the president is going back

to the campaign as a national security expert, has been in this job 18 months. it's a burnout job. people figure that around the midterms, he'll probably head out and the david plouffe, someone the president is very comfortable with, someone who knows the obama way, someone who can be there to guide the legacy. he is already on the library board, is most likely to come in. yesterday at the playbook lunch, i asked david about it and it sure sounded like it was a possibility. he said, well, we'd love for denis to stay and turn out the lights on january 20th, 2017, no for that. it would be a way for david plouffe to send out the president that he brought in. >> any other candidates? >> john podesta could do it who is in the white house right now but we think he probably will be heading out to hillary campaign. ron clain could do it and dan

pfeiffer could do it but david plouffe is closer to the president. >> he said he didn't want to make new friends. congratulations. you've made new friends. >> and shake things up when they things are going well enough they don't need to shake it. i like david. >> things going so great, why not bring in people who were complaining, and bed wetters to cease your beliefs and people who don't agree with you 100% of the time. a final two years. i can't wait. >> i can see you love the pick. >> boy, i tell you what, let's just reinforce everything going on the past six years. i can't wait. that is going to make everything work a lot more smoothly in washington. >> can i ask him a question? >> no, you can't. mike allen, thanks. yesterday, mike allen insulted the guys in the board

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>> i can get you six. >> can you really? >> i'm giving up all of mine. >> yankees fans would not be doing this. you would not hear this. >> both teams are bad! >> but yankees are still in it. >> get a full house all weekend long. >> we are talking about fenway, all right? >> seriously. you turn it on any night and they are on the other side of the moat. three people are there. >> because so much culture in new york. late game last night, rays and a's tied in the bottom of the 10th, two out. derek norris sends one up the middle. a game winner? 3-2 win. oakland and detroit, you might see them in the fall. to the capitol. orioles trailing the nats 3-2 in the seventh. baltimore's ryan flaherty, boom. center field wall. boom. >> bong. >> gets it in.

come on! delmonday you delmon new england knocks a pinch-hit run. single to left. brings home the run. baltimore ends the inning. 5-3 lead. that was the game. in the eighth, caleb joseph lines up the middle for another two runs. orioles win 7-3. tigers and yankees scoreless in the third. jacoby ellsbury is up. watch this catch. >> cabrera on the run and still going back. dives and he makes the catch! what a catch by carerra! >> ezekiel carerra over-the-shoulder diving catch. brandon mccarthy gives another solid performance for the yankees and struck out eight and earns the victory. 2-1 yankees. check this on out. justin verlander, great guy. talking to his girlfriend kate upton behind the detroit dugout. >> are they still an item?

>> yes. >> oh, yeah. >> i didn't know they were still an item. >> "the "new york post" "says it's true. >> shut up! >> a picture of the two in "the "new york post"" today. >> t.j., pick a camera! you're bringing three cameras at me! pick a camera! >> i can't go on any more. >> this is really important. you mentioned earlier in the show that there is a picture on instagram with me and my shirt off. hold on. but it's men on instagram. >> do not step on kate upton picture. >> by the way, if i were verlander, i would still be so angry what they did last season to me during the playoffs. yanking him. the tigers should have beaten the sox. >> and karma took care of it, right? >> when jim leyland yanked max scherzer. the big one. he took out max scherzer and ortiz, boom. >> didn't he do that twice?

>> i think he did it in two games. >> the last time he did it, that was it for the tigers. >> those pitchers were lights out for the tigers. they were amazing. >> we missed the los angeles angels playing the los angeles dodgers and i had guarantarrett richardson on my fantasy team. i sat him and he gets 50 points! >> you're not helping me. you didn't hear what i said. >> i did. coming up next, live from -- >> it was important. we have mika's must read opinion pages and coming over the teletype. we will be right back with more "morning joe." don't go away. ♪

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this is not a democracy. we are going to let donny read anything. can i show this one? seriously. we do an instagram shots. this is just repulsive. this is just repulsive. >> little girls are repulsive to you? >> why would you use your daughters that way to show your pecs? >> i am not! >> this is all about you picking up women! i hate you using your children. you know, i used to think it was pathetic when guys -- look at nicole over here. >> i felt bad! >> use dogs to pick up women and you pick up girls! >> i rented those children! >> what happened to the dog? this is a business, donny. we could do this. children and dogs. >> i love children and puppies and i love the sun. >> he loves the sun! stop it! stop it! >> donny, i felt bad when they unveiled the "time" cover and

they are talking about men who have these great physiques into their 90s and it was just like free association. i said, donny is going to be like that! and i felt very bad. >> what concerns me is men going on instagram now and not women. i should be concerned about that, shouldn't i? >> you should take it for whatever it's worth. >> i don't want to! >> dana millbank, he writes this in "the washington post." bob mcdonnell is a loser either way. the legal strategy of bob mcdonnell, even if he wins in court he loses in december during his final days in office the prosecutors offering a deal let his wife off the hook and require him to plead guilty to charges unrelated to his official duties but mcdonnell chose to go to court. had he taken the deal he would look like a sleazy pol.

now he looks like a sleazy pol. i don't know. i'm sorry, nicole. this is "morning joe" so we can actually tell the truth. i hope i don't offend somebody. i'm sorry. his wife looks like the bad actor here. my god! >> this is just a story of the ugliness of the decent grags of >> her playmate? >> her playmate. >> she wants who? >> the vitamin guy. >> this vitamin guy to be her playmate. >> yeah. >> and they went to network and they shopped at fancy boutiques and it appears that he picked up the tab. it's really seedy. >> do you have a question for elise? >> yeah. >> elise, this story, i don't

know about you, but just reading about it, i felt as if it were an invasion of my privacy. >> i agree with that. i agree with that. it's made for the tabloids, right? i do agree that the wife does raise some questions here. remember when everyone rumored him to be the next gop presidential candidate? we would have been on the campaign trail. can you imagine? my favorite revelation in this story was the idea she tried it pitch one of these supplements to the romneys as a way to cure ms. >> oh, my lord. >> she just sounds really out there. i don't know what to say about that. >> i hope the romneys said i hope secret service detail was around them and put a taser to the back of her when she did that. we were just talking before about how bob mcdonnell was a guy -- >> excited about. >> i remember in 2010 with all of these people were going out there, like, setting their hair on fire and saying barack obama is a martian and come into your

house and eat your babies! you're like, let's go with bob mcdonnell's idea instead, bob for jobs and all bob talked about. the economy got better. unemployment went down. >> he was never shrill on the subject. >> he wasn't shrill. he was a socially conservative guy and had everything going for him. but, man, this is some bad news. >> yeah. >> he didn't have a very good partner. >> no. i think i can say that. woo. i'm just going to be quiet about this now. but yeah. >> wow. >> can you not see why he is saying i'm not taking a deal that lets my wife off the hook and charges me! would you do that? >> not knowing what he did, no. >> no one is like he is finding out now or what he has found out now u oh, yeah, she can get off the hook and i will be gout like where did they op? >> oscar de la renta.

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♪ ♪ it's like magic ♪ >> do you want me to go now? can i listen to elo for another five minutes? >> that would be great. >> we will listen to elo for another five minutes. wait. >> pictures of new york city. >> i think it goes well with this little haze and a little fog. >> exactly. >> you're waking up out of the fog from the night before. >> elo, an underrated band from the 1970s, right? ♪ higher and higher baby >> there we go. now we're back. ♪ it's a living thing it's a terrible thing to do ♪ >> back with us on set. >> these guys, i don't know what happened to both of them, chuck, but they are ornery and mean today. >> it's not true. >> talking about cows, did i

like cows. >> with us is nbc news chief white house correspondent and political director and host of "the daily rundown," chuck todd. chuck, we are going to be waited with bated breath. you got a poll coming out later tonight? >> coming out tonight. >> debuts tonight? >> yeah. it's actually checking in and it's a little bit different. how people are viewing the great recession in the rearview mirror. it is fascinating. lately of the political stuff but this was a tough recession to recover from and you do sort of see -- >> if we have recovered. >> people still mentally haven't recovered. >> that is the question. >> they know they see the numbers of recovery. they are still supporting older parents or kids at home and, i mean, you feel -- >> stock market and the real economy, there are two economies. >> what you have in new york and everybody else. >> we people have in new york. that makes me sad. we are going to talk about that

tomorrow. in washington we have nbc news chief foreign affairs correspondent and host of "andrea mitchell reports," andrea mitchell. thank you for being with us. >> you bet. >> pulitzer prize and winning columnist and associate editor for "the washington post," and msnbc political analyst, awe gene robinson. from the hill we have elise vivak still with us. we were talking about james brady last hour and the rest of the country and washington is remember is former press secretary james brady who passed away on monday. he was left partially paralyzed after shot on a presidential assassination attempt on president reagan. he became a fighter for stricter gun control laws. andrea, you covered the white house under reagan. talk to us about the life of jim brady. >> jim brady was irreverent. he was just so funny. he was so smart. he was so trusted.

and really loved by the press corps. which raised some suspicions among some in the reagan camp. nancy reagan had to be won over but became such a huge fan of his. he had a great relationship with the president and only 69 days after the president took office, this horrible assassination which really transformed washington. it, obviously, changed the president, the reagans. they were never the same. nancy reagan was never the same in terms of the way she felt protective and never really had a good night's sleep in the white house ever since ever after that. but for jim brady, it was a devastating wound. i interviewed the neurosurgeon who was in the e.r. and saved his life and said he had never seen this kind of injury. fortunately because he was in the presidential motorcade, jim lived because most people with both lobes -- this was of the six bullets that were fired by john hinckley, the first one hit jim brady and slammed into his

head and it was the only one that -- they were all devastating bullets but the only ones that exploded inside his head. fortunately the bullet that hit the president hit the limo handle and ricocheted into the chest and barely, within an inch, less than an inch, barely missed his heart but that's why ronald reagan was able to recover from a very, very serious injury. but brady's injury was just devastating and the fact he lived for 33 years was a miracle and his spirit kept him going, true grit. >> the work continues with sarah brady and people don't realize, we talked about it before, but jim brady is responsible, in part, for the passing of the brady bill. >> absolutely. >> but also, of course, the influence that the bradys had on the reagans. >> the reagans always stuck by him on this. very interesting. almost out of loyalty. people try to read into the

minds of -- i think this was clearly a loyalty decision. i thought it was neat yesterday. josh earnest, the white house press office, sent out their statement on jim brady from every living white house president. it was classy and well done. it was touching. the right way. they spoke as one about brady. >> what you were referring to just briefly. the fact that jim brady -- we were on the hill when jim brady got -- this was not ronald reagan's position on gun laws. he called in and that was the critical vote on that assault weapons ban. he got reagan out of retirement to make those phone calls. >> he did and it made a big difference. a lot of other things to talk about. andrea mitchell, hopefully, we have a cease-fire deal in the middle east. does it stick? >> the fact is israeli, it believes it has accomplished its purpose with the tunnels and it's withdrawn from gaza so they are not nose-to-nose.

you were talking to richard engel about that an hour or so ago. the fact this is so tenuous and all on egypt and whether hamas will let egypt be the peace broker and there is such a deep dismay in the white house and the state department toward what israeli has done, despite this ironclad alliance which, as you know, has led to 3.2 billion dollars last year alone in aid, mostly military, to israeli from the united states. there's a lot of frustration that this time israeli went too far. >> of course, chuck, you saw the "wall street journal" this morning said the white house, the last attack on the u.n. school was a final straw for the obama administration. they, obviously, sent out a state department spokesperson who basically said enough is enough. >> realistic maybe? >> i got the sense that israeli had no choice to listen.

when the state department is sending out messages as tough as the united nations. >> finally, the president went out there and gave his most supportive statement of israeli since the war began. >> yeah. >> so this was a case, which, of course, netanyahu used to his benefit the next day to basically say, hey, america is standing by us on this and then that happens. it does feel as if, you know, israeli say we accomplished our mission any way. >> let's not forgot that hamas is a terrorist organization and israeli is a democracy. just saying. >> the only democracy. there is only one. >> who disagrees with that? >> nobody, but hamas, you know, obviously, we can go on with this for hours and, obviously, seeing children killed is an atrocity. >> obviously, it is. and seeing it day after day after day after day. >> coming from shields. >> exactly. >> human shields. >> let me ask you this did oosh

-- >> who is to blame? >> hamas is to blame. if your child is being held with a gun to their head do you want the cop to shoot through your child to shoot you? >> they use human shields. somebody is shooting at my children and if that child has to die to save my child. >> it is absolutely abhorrent. the question is if the united nations warns 17 times, 17 times. >> our nation is not living in israeli. >> this is a shelter. so, donny, should this have continued? >> i think israeli accomplished its mission. >> which is what? >> which was to shut down the tunnels and keep israeli safe. hamas wants to obliterate israeli. we forget that is their mission. >> no, none of us forget that. hamas is a terror organization. i've said it. they are our enemy. they want to wipe israeli off the face of the earth. they are a scourge. but hamas is not going to be able to obliterate israeli.

you know why? because hamas is loathed by their own people. before this began, 80% of gazans who were against hamas, egypt is against hamas. >> great they are against it but when they are shooting rockets. >> let me finish my point. saudi arabia is against hamas. the uae is against hamas. >> hamas is not attacking jordan and they are not tacking those people. >> how ziltisolated they are. donny, when you continue to attack and show across the world 5, 6, 7-year-old children dragged out of rubble dead when they are running with their parents to try to hide in a u.n. school, who does that help? who does that help? >> it helps no one but -- >> no. >> a casualty. >> you are incorrect. it is a tragedy, first of all, and do not come close to saying it's collateral damage. >> i didn't say that. >> no, a lot of people call that -- >> the end result is a result of hamas aggressive moves.

>> answer my question. >> okay. >> who is helped when a young -- >> nobody. >> no, that's wrong. >> who is helped? >> hamas is helped. >> oh, yes, of course. well, when you -- i'm literally answering the question. >> israeli plays into hamas' hands. >> tunnels are shut down. >> hamas celebrates when their civilians are killed so what does israeli not do? israeli needs to figure out a way to work with the palestinian authority to minimize hamas' influence. does anybody around this set, does anybody watching on tv, andrea mitchell, i'll ask you. i know it's harder for you to answer, but have you heard anybody suggest that hamas has not been aided over the past three and a half weeks by these attacks, when they were more isolated than ever before? andrea, maybe i should ask you a news question. was hamas more isolated than it's ever been three and a half, four weeks ago and desperate to strike an alliance with the palestinian authority because it had run out of cards to play?

>> hamas was on its back heels. hamas was faltering. there is no question that in the world of public opinion, hamas has been helped by what has happened here, by seeming like a david and goliath. they have gotten world sympathy, especially in europe. >> which is my point. which is why we need to explain what is behind -- that is my exact -- they have done it and that is the shame of this. >> remember, khalid mitchell, the head of hamas, was kicked out of damascus. if netanyahu was a clever politician and comes to the peace deals he really is sort of a -- he worries about his domestic politics above all. this is the time to strike the deal with abbas and abbas alone. >> right. >> you know, just do it. >> exactly. >> and cut out hamas completely out of the loop. give the west bank almost basically, you know, offer up a deal abbas can't refuse if he

completely splits off of hamas. >> he is still brutalized. >> right now -- >> gene robinson -- >> that is the way to do this and quickly cut off world opinion and world criticism. >> it really is. gene, what i think is the most hopeful sign is the fact that richard engel reported you don't hear a lot of anti-americanism on the ground right now in israeli. -- i mean, in gaza. you hear a lot of complaints in gaza about whether it's about hamas or whether it's about egypt or whether it's about israeli. so there actually may be an opening if netanyahu was willing to strike, try to strike a deal with the palestinian authority to actually push hamas off the world stage. >> well, yeah. maybe there is a role the united states can play. here is a question that i think netanyahu should be -- here is what i think he should be concerned about. this war was very popular in israeli, but that popularity has

declined a bit as it has gone on. now he has the question of will people believe -- will israelis believe they got anything out of this war? because if the status quo just obtains now going forth, the next two years, hamas will rearm and there will be more tunnels and be back in the situation. so i think politically just in terms of his political standing that netanyahu really should show israelis that this was not in vain and that would be massive progress with abbas toward a peace deal. >> let hope. leaders from 50 african nations in washington. they will focus on trade investment and african security. the president is set to speak at a business forum tomorrow. according to "the washington post" he is going to announce a

$14 billion investment in africa from u.s. businesses. with us now from washington former new york city mayor and founder of bloomberg philanthropics michael bloomberg. with us also is u.s. commerce secretary penny pritzger. michael, are you ready to go to the middle east and strike this middle east peace deal for us? >> we couldn't hear you. we have a helicopter buzzing. say again? >> i was asking you, mr. mayor, whether you're ready to go to the middle east and strike a middle east peace deal for all of us. >> that's up to the secretary of state and the president. i can go to israeli just to lend support and i did that. >> all right. so why don't you guys tell us what you're involved with here and what kind of impact it's going to have on africa and the united states. >> penny? >> well, today is a really exciting event. we have got over 40 heads of

state coming to our business summit. we have got over a hundred american ceos and a hundred african ceos all coming together to, first of all, talk about how they do more business together. the president is announcing 14 billion worth of deals as you said. why is everyone here? everyone is here because there is real growth opportunity in africa and this is something that the president and the administration, along with bloomberg, want to highlight and get the word out. 6% gdp growth the next ten years is expected in africa and six of the ten fastest growing economies. very exciting. exports super the united states to africa support 250,000 american jobs. americans get up in the morning and go to work because we are selling things to africa. but there's so much more that we could be doing and this is why we are all together. >> i might also point out one of our main economic rivals, china, has been doing this for years

now. they recognize there is a great potential in this day and age, you cannot, if you're a good business person, avoid markets that have a chance of becoming dominant. the african market with 6 hundred million people certainly has that potential and china is going in and we are doing it now. >> mr. mayor, secretary, it seems africa is where southeast was in the late 70s and early '80s. you could feel the momentum. we know that american business wants to be there. but the biggest issue in africa, i think, that probably gives business some discomfort is governance. the idea if they invest in there, there is going to be stability in how some of these countries are run. is that the biggest road block right now between africa totally taking off and where it is today? >> well, i don't think there is any case to be made that if people stay in poverty, government is going to get better. quite the contrary.

when people have the dignity of a job of being self-sufficient, they can get a good education and they can make sure that their government is responsive and there's examples on both sides. we boycotted cuba. they are at poor as they were if not 45 years ago. we started dealing why germany. built up their economy. the east german saw something better and walked in one day and said to the army get out of here and took down the wall. where we have a good economy, you tend to have better government and that is the way we should help each other. it's good for the seller and for the buyer. >> we are seeing many, many -- you're seeing many, many leaders here who want to engage with american business. they see the opportunity. what they like is what american business brings to the table. a commitment to rule of law. transparency. treating the people that work for their companies well. as well as investment in the local communities. so there is a real interest in having us more present. a real enthusiasm how can we

work together? and that is an opportunity for both the african countries, the african people, the american companies and the american people. >> elise is with "the hill." she has a question for you. >> mr. bloomberg, i want to drill down into what you said about china. their investments have been enormous in africa and quite flashy as well. the obama administration said at the end of this summit they are not unveiling anything new and big and flash y. i'm wondering how do you think we can compete with china's investment in africa and do you think the obama administration is making the right move by making sure that this summit ends sort of on a softer note? >> andrea mitchell? >> i think no question that america's strategy has always been to let companies go out and compete and make investments that they thought were in their interests and let that invisible hand that i think was adam smith talked about, create a better world and better economy for everybody. china is a much more controlled

economy. they do things at a government level that we don't do and it's a practical reality today, giving congress unwilling to fund the basically road structure in the united states or pay for things that we really need domestically, it's hard to believe that american congress is going to vote some money to do things overseas. the president has to deal with the hand that has been dealt to him. >> the president is announcing 14 billion worth of deals and not like the united states not present in africa. that is just today and has set up an opportunity for businesses to be working directly with heads of state to figure out where the opportunities are. my conversations over the last 24 hours with heads of state, they are saying, here are the projects we want to get done and here is where we would like to see american business. why do they want american business? they like our goods and our services and our technology. they like the way we govern and run our businesses. they want us present. >> madam secretary and mr.

mayor, i was going to say i was at an event that mike bloomberg and others were hosting last night. the fact is that these companies, all of the major companies in america, global companies were there. they were saying the way they compete against china, they were saying to heads of state from africa, is that they can train workers, they can leave and create a great work force. that's is the value added that america brings to the table. mr. mayor, i just want to ask you if, you know, from bloomberg's perspective as a business, what the advantage is in africa? and also before we let you go, i wanted to ask you if you had any thoughts today about your great effort on gun laws and the impact of jim brady. >> well, number one, jim brady was a guy who was serving this country and, sadly, got seriously injured, an injury that stayed with him for his whole life when some mentally deranged person tried to kill

the president and our prayers have to go out to james' family. he has been a symbol of too many guns in the hands of people who have psychiatric problems, criminal records. that's something we have to fix in the country. in terms of your first part of your question, look. american companies will do what is in their interests. i think when you take a look at what this country's record has been in dealing with countries around the world, we are not perfect, but we have done a pretty good job of helping an awful lot of people. >> you know with the presence of the commerce department doubling in africa, the opportunity for us to help american businesses navigate the road in africa is really grown. so we are very excited. today's event is really catalytic and i'm proud to represent the department of commerce to partner with bloomberg philanthropy that i think is extremely catalytic for

new business occurring in africa. >> andrea, let me add. bloomberg, the company, has eight offices in africa. we have close to a hundred employees. we deal with 40 countries in africa and our commitment to africa is longstanding and great for us and i think great for africa and we will continue it. >> madam secretary and mr. mayor, thank you for being with us. it really is. it sounds like an idea whose time has come. elise, thank you as well. greatly appreciate you being with us. andrea mitchell, we will be watching you. >> thank you. >> at noon on "andrea mitchell reports. >> still ahead, three-quarters of people believe congress is unproductive. two congress leave their district as the other side of the country lives. plus, i don't know -- i didn't know she had any interest in me. that's how jonnie williams key witness for the prosecution described his relationship. >> that's the look. >> relationship with governor

bob mcdonnell's wife. first, health scare in new york city. a man is tested for the deadly ebola virus at mt. sinai hospital while the second person makes her way to a hospital in atlanta. we will bring you the latest ahead. ♪

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atlanta hospital is awaiting the arrival of a second american today who was infected while working in west africa. a plane carrying u.s. missionary nancy writebol is expected to arrive from liberia. concerns were bound by the outgoing outbreak of the ebola virus and a scare in new york city. yesterday, a man showed up in a mt. sinai hospital after returning to the states from west africa with symptoms associated with the illness. hospital officials say it is unlikely he has the virus. nbc's kate snow is live with us in atlanta. kate, what is going on?

>> hi, donnie. >> reporter: we are awaiting that plane you mentioned. nancy writebol should be here later this morning and much like the scene you saw on saturday with a motorcade and very secure ambulance. this morning, we are learning mow about this experimental medicine that both she and dr. brantly who is already here have been taking that may have saved their lives. early monday a man with a high fever who recently traveled to west africa was put into isolation at new york's mt. sinai hospital. >> it was about seven minutes from the time they hit the door to when they were in the isolation room. >> reporter: the new york city health department concluded the patient is unlikely to have ebola. since last week, the cdc has had more than 20 inquiries about suspected ebola cases in the united states about you so far no concerned cases in this country except for the two americans brought here from liberia for treatment. later today, nancy writebol will joint dr. kent brantly in a special isolation unit. >> their appetite has slightly

impok. as a matter of fact i talked to her husband. she asked for her favorite liberian meal which is potato soup and coffee. >> reporter: the two have received doses of an experimental medication never before used on humans. what is it about this medicine that is working? >> when you and i are infected with a vir us, any virus, we make antibodies to the virus and that what killed it. in this case these are special antibodies for ebola. you inject them in the human being and they hopefully, kill the virus and let the immune system do the rest. >> reporter: the rare and expensive drug is not available to the bulk of ebola patients in west africa. >> hopefully, they will scale this up reasonable soon to get more doses available. >> reporter: there are only as you said a handful of doses right now available of this drug. so it's really sought after. it's not widely available

overseas but what they are hoping, what these two patients are hoping by maybe taking this medicine and showing that it work, that perhaps has will lead to more clinical trials and save a lot more lives. >> we jump over situations like this. what is the worst case scenario here? >> reporter: the worst case scenario would be they don't do a good job today protecting this patient and somehow something gets out, but that is such a doom's day scenario. everyone here will tell you they are going to such extreme measures. they have been practicing for 12 years they have had a unit here how to deal with ebola and this is their first two cases but they know what they are doing. they have got an isolation wing behind the hospital behind me that is so locked down we can't get a picture from inside the room. i think the doctors would reassure you they are very confident if e bow ba la is going to come to this country it's not exposure through these two patients. coming up, the red flag

surrounding jonnie williams. a star witness, he is called and the businessman -- i can't read with these lights! snake oil salesman. the latest from that trial is next. ♪ ♪

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♪ a lot of things mitt romney wants to do, like brought into it, right? >> it's very exciting. >> anybody running in a republican primary, you want the mitt romney endorsement. it's true. >> mitt wants to be talked about. he could do it. >> he is doing this. >> no, no, no. >> all great politicians do. >> don't talk to me about 2016. >> one area he doesn't want his name brought up. the names of mitt and ann romney have been dragged into the corruption trial of bob and maureen mcdonnell. mcdonnell's wife who is also facing charges attempted to push a supplement on ann romney. the supplement was produced by the company of a businessman who

prosecutors say brought influence with the mcdonnell's and one of the latest strange and stunning developments to emerge. nbc's peter alexander is wearing a hazmat outfit and he is live in richmond with more. peter, this goes from bad to worse, from strange to bizarre. what is the latest? >> reporter: joe, i think that is exactly right. when we first came down here, we thought this would be not an exciting trial. it has been anything but that. there has been a lot of stunning allegations already. one virginia political analyst describes the mcdonnell's as a beaver cleaver family but these new allegations in many this trial in the second week, including that pitch that you referred to from maureen mcdonnell to ann romney how this wonder drug of sorts could potentially cure her multiple sclerosis has left a lot of people here in disbelief. a sorted tale involving a former

governor behind the wheel of a fa ferrari and luxury vacations and secret cash loans. the governor's key witness wrapping up testimony. he showered bob mcdonnell and his wife maureen with gifts in exchange for their help promoting the tobacco based pill he invented and pitching as a wonder drug of sorts. along the latest details on the same day that mcdonnell endorse the romney for president and maureen approached ann romney saying the vitamin could help her sclerosis. one said i was horrified and thought it was a train wreck. williams insists his relationship with the mcdonnell was all business to help his company but maureen mcdonnell lawyers argue they were friends that the mcdonnell's marriage was crumbling and former washington redskins cheerleader had a crush on williams and an e-mail he is sent after the east coast earthquake. i felt the earth move and he

wasn't having sex. williams is challenging his recollection of his dealings with the mcdonnell's two years ago and he can't recall conversations with prosecutors last month. mcdonnell's team say they were promoting a business but mcdonnell gladly accepted the gifts and this watch that maureen bought to give to her husband. governor mcdonnell is on the witness list for the defense. he has said he is eager to testify at his own behalf. his wife maureen mcdonnell, joe, has said she is not going to testify. one of the real challenges for the mcdonnell's here only months ago we saw them hand in hand and it appeared everything was hunky-dory in wtheir relationship and sitting in court they rarely look at each other and have to impressive on the jury this was a crumbling marriage. so bad they couldn't conspire because they weren't talking to one another. just yesterday in court, jonnie

williams said there was no romantic relationship between he and mcdonnell. he said i didn't know she had any interest in me until this past week. >> peter, thank you so much. i hope you're getting paid overtime. >> that's just a yuck. >> the whole thing is. >> poor bob mcdonnell. >> how about the fact they are comfortable putting him on the stand, which tells you this is a guy who has experienced basically being an operative, a spinner and a lawyer and he knows how to answer questions. >> you're saying bob mcdonnell? >> and they won't put her on the stand, i think is a telling thing. >> i looked at it dimplfferentl. i look at it like it wasn't bob that had his hands -- >> that's what they want us to think. >> -- in the mud. it's obvious. >> i don't know. you know, what really makes this defense seem sketchy is what peter just pointed out. when they first, right after he left the governor's mansion, they are hand in hand and they

look like team mcdonnell defending themselves. as this trial -- as they prepare for this trial over the last nine months, they decide, oh, the only way we are going to stay out of jail is to do this? >> oh, no. i could give an argument as you peel back the onion, it's each man for himself. >> you find out the e-mails that were sent back and forth and you look at all of the gifts and look at the fact that she was interested in him romantically. not a lot of husbands going, hey, honey, that's cool, right? >> chuck, you're more -- >> he let her run rough shot over him and we don't know why. we don't know why. there's something there. i don't know. >> donny, you're laughing. there are a lot of men in america who let their wives run rough shot over them and it has nothing to do with politics. >> that's right. i agree. i think there is more here that we don't know about the marriage. >> donny? >> i just -- i'm stuck.

>> let the defense rest. >> i'm not talking about women. so coming up next, bipartisanship is not dead. in fact, it's breaking out all over the place, i guess. the majority of americans have lost faith in washington, d.c., but congressman elijah cummings and jason chaffetz will talk about how they plan to bridge that divide. keep it right here on "morning joe." ♪

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congress to spend 6,000 on candles? >> yes. >> were you surprised when you saw president obama in the bull pit in the presidential office this morning? >> i was extremely excited. >> did president obama look angry when he was tearing apart that vladimir putin pinata? >> he really did. >> do you like president bush's crazy rodeo party on the birthday lawn or president bush's slip and slide birthday? >> president bush's crazy rodeo birthday. >> joining us ranking member of the oversight and governor reform committee, congressman elijah cummings and from salt lake city, congressman jason chaffetz. thank you guys so much for being with us. it's good to see both of you again. elijah, so you guys actually are trying to get along together and i've worked with elijah, jason.

i know how hard that is to do. elijah, it was always striking to me that we disagree on a lot of things, but we got a lot of things done. i can't ever remember saying one thing negative about you publicly while i was chairman and you were ranking member. we would go back and forth. i think what you guys are doing is great here. i just don't understand why more people aren't doing what you two guys are doing. why don't you tell me what you guys are doing, first. >> what we did is jason chaffetz had asked about a month ago to come to my strict and that i would go to his district, and he came. he had an opportunity to meet with some patients that were, you know, struggling with aids, hiv/aids. he had an opportunity to meet with some of my seniors and to meet with some young people who were trying to get their lives back together after having some -- gone through some tough

times and trying to get back with their families. so he had the chance to actually meet with a lot of the people that i represent. i think he got an idea of what i'm fighting for when i come to the congress and the people that i have to -- that are looking up to me to solve some of their problems. then i went to utah yesterday and had an opportunity to meet with his constituents. i got to tell you that, you know, they have their sets of issues that they have got to deal with and joe had made me a lot more sensitive to what they are dealing with. i'm pretty sure, as i watched him in my district talking to people there, that i believe it sense is a tiesed him to the things i'm dealing with and hopefully that will lead to compromise and help us to work out some problems. >> congressman chaffetz, before you answer congressman cummings query about now whether you're

more sensitive to the needs of his constituents, there are those of us here at the table who remember a time in congress when members of congress, the two of you clearly now know each other much better than you did before, knew each other much i'm good at throwing political barbs. we all do in a sense. i want to get something done. seek first, understand, then be understood. if you break bread with somebody, feel, see, touch, hear, listen to the people, you figure out what you've got in common. i always tell this group we've got to find some common ground

and i liked what elijah cummings said, we can't just get to common ground but higher ground. if we're going to pass legislation that's going to be meaningful, it has to be bipartisan. you better darn well reach out, get out of your comfort zone and actually do something. >> congressman cummings, congressman chaffetz, you may be working much more closely. is this part of forging a relationship so you guys can have a better working relationship, frankly, congressman cummings, than you have with chairman issa? >> i don't know what the republican caucus will do. i can tell you, i want a relationship which will allow us to get things done and, yeah, that's part of it for me. and i'm certain that's the same thing for congressman chaffetz. we've gotten used to leaving washington without getting

things done. and, joe, you're right. when you and i worked together, we got things done and i've worked with other republicans that have gotten things done. there are issues our committee needs to be dealing with. if we can get away from throwing the bombs and really concentrate on why we're there as opposed to who we're fighting against, we concentrate on what we're fighting for, i think we can get things done for the american people. i'm determined to do that and i think it's very important. >> by the way, we got things done, it was good for the country and it was good for both of us politically, too. >> that's right. >> fewer and fewer people in washington, d.c. understand that it's actually -- you know, the screaming, yelling, pointing at each other, that's the short game. the long game is actually getting things done for your constituents. thank you for being with us. elijah and jason, thank you so much.

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join us in an effort to restore confidence, dignity and decorum to this institution. >> james brady died today at the age of 73. >> one bullet striking reagan in the chest, another ben traiting brady's skull. >> the tragedy turned brady's wife sarah and eventually brady himself into advocates for gun control. >> news tonight about the experimental drug used to treat that american doctor infected, now back in the u.s. >> a doctor in liberia describes it as miraculous. >> these two americans may save a lot of lives. >> by her suffering in this she may be able to help countless more. >> a patient came to mt. sinai with symptoms of a fever. >> tests on a man at a major manhattan hospital. >> given the amount of travel it wouldn't be entirery surprising if there would be a case that would show up here in the united states. today's temporary cease fire

was a chance for gaza to bury some of those killed. >> minutes after the israeli-initiated truce began a missile hit a house in gaza city. >> there's nowhere safe here. >> continue to attack 5, 6, 7-year-old children dragged out of dead, who does that help? >> nobody. >> that's wrong. hamas is helped. we can show you previews of what we said five hours ago. donny deutsch is with us, mike barnicle as well. over a million e-mails and tweets, thank you so much for coming back. from washington, national editor of the cook political report, amy walther. thank you so much. look at a couple of quick headlines here. we did this like 12 hours ago. here, of course, talking about the cease fire in the middle east. also the head of the -- that's

"the wall street journal," the washington post also runs with the same headline. and then, of course, what we've been talking about also, jim brady, the face of gun control, has passed away. pass add way yesterday. we'll be talking about that and much, much more. mike barnicle, very important. >> jv. justin verlander. >> and kate upton, still an item. >> still an item. i didn't know that. >> she could have at least had the decency to end it with me first. >> stop. seriously. you know what? seriously. >> how sick is he? >> the truth. >> but, you know -- >> i've got to say, if you look at the new york -- >> post. >> post and a lot of the new york tabloids and also the daily news here. there's a post, two posts, and the daily news. there's the ebola scare in the

city all over the place and many of donny deutsch's former girlfriends hoping he contracts that disease. was that tough? was that tough? >> i have children, you know. they watch this show. you just scared them. they're crying now. you made my daughter cry. >> your daughter in london? >> her name is london. you made her cry. >> he doesn't want you to come down with the virus, but we wouldn't mind if you were put in isolation. >> just a littleby until you clean up your instagram account. >> kentucky senator rand paul obviously juggling for a job for president of the united states. but he's also a republican senator with the possibility that he may run for president. rand paul has been arguing for a more inclusive gop, downplaying t issues. now he's taking that inclusive message on the road. during a three-day sweep through

iowa. his first stop, an appearance with iowa congressman steve king, a man who continues to talk about impeaching the president of the united states. king was asked about his position yesterday. >> i want to discourage the president from taking actions that create a constitutional crisis. if he does that, we can't take anything off the table. and i don't know that rand paul is much different than me on that. i think that's a fairly moderate position and i don't know that our founding fathers would have as much patience with barack obama as either i or rand paul have. >> then there was this awkward moment. paul and king were approached by two self described dreamers after introducing themselves, asking king a question about their stance on immigration, paul, mid bite, takes a cue from one of his staffers and bails. watch this. he's just out.

so, amy, that's one of the problems, i guess, trying to run as a new kind of republican and campaigning -- >> that's good. >> with what some would call an old kind of republican. >> there you go. >> one of the last guys in washington that is still talking about impeachment. >> the i word is what he used. >> yes. >> he has learned not to use the word impeachment. this is where iowa becomes such a problem for republicans as they're trying to broaden the elect orate. they still go to a place like iowa where the turnout at a caucus is incredibly conservative, they'll be on the opposite end of the issues that you were just talking about earlier, especially on immigration. how do you balance that? what rand paul has ton very well -- i think ultimately it will catch up with him. what he has been able to do very well is balance this fine line. he has a voting record that is very conservative and then he

talks about being more conservative or moderate. it works pretty well until you get confronted on it. he got confronted on it, specifically on israel. you talked in the past about cutting off aid to israel. he said i disagree. i have now voted for more money for the iron dome. he brought his statements back and said you actually did support cutting it off. he has to figure out that balancing act not only in iowa but nationally. >> did you see that shirt he was wearing? stylish. he's wearing that shirt, it looks a lot like a rainbow. i wonder if maybe steve king was upset by the shirt. >> he's an optician, isn't he? >> ophthalmologist. >> it's a good look. >> if you're rand paul and -- you know, you're trying to change the party. if somebody says something you disagree with, you don't want to embarrass them in their own backyard but at some point you have to start distancing

yourself. >> it also goes to the brand he has tried to extend for himself, which is a truth teller. not an old guard republican who goes along with partisanship but a libertarian. as you know, i was interviewing him last week. he feels the inclusion is not just rhetoric and feels strongly that he has introduced several sets of bills, legislation to change the way the republican party operates. he said, his words, he's doing more for african-americans than anyone else in congress. >> obviously he is also racing against his past. we talked about israel here. and, obviously, he said some things in the past about israel that caught up to him. he got into a big scuffle for his campaign for senator about seeming to be opposed to the civil rights act. >> at least section two and section seven, with regard to private businesses, which is what the lunch counter fights

were about. a lot of people care about that and care about the details. i managed 19 precincts in polk county when i was managing john kerry. donny deutsch, a big fan of that, always pat mes me on the k for it. iowa is more extreme, more passionate than the median base of both parties but also more informed. you had a different position and it might have dissolved the camp david accords. we know about that. we listen to talk radio. we listen to the shows, read the papers. that's an environment where you're going to continue to have voter to politician interactions and sometimes those are tougher than the media, because you just can't shoot the messenger. >> a lot tougher and he will have to figure out how to square that if he wants to move forward. chris mcdaniel, remember him? long and anticipated move six weeks after losing to senator thad cochran, now formal ly for

questioning the results. good luck there. according to mcdaniel and his lawyers, there are more than 15,000 illegal or questionable ballots, votes from democrats who voted earlier that month in their own party's primary, which would not be allowed. many of the ballots in question also believed to be for african-americans who turned out to vote for senator cochran in the runoff. >> they asked us to put up or shut up. here we are. here we are with the evidence. now, we all witnessed what a segment of our party did in the weeks leading up to. we saw despicable allegations from those that are supposed to be leaders in our party. there is no place in the republican party for those that

would -- the integrity of the elections process of the state of mississippi matters. the -- matters. but, likewise, the integrity of the republican party and its primary system, a party and a system we love so much, it matters as well. >> so his big concern was the african-american voters, it was unfair that african-american voter voters in the republican primary. >> does he have any chance at all? >> i do not think so. part of their challenge is exactly to the point that it was democrats who came out, voted in a runoff where if you vote in a runoff, you're supposed to support the republican. they say these people have no intention of supporting the republican.

this goes directly back to rand paul. here is a party or candidate in rand paul who says we need to be more inclusive. i'm reaching out to african-american voters. i've done so much, tried to increase voting rights for african-americans and then you have this race in mississippi where it does, to donny's point, it's not fair that democrats, specifically african-american democrats were able to vote in our primary. those are two messages that are clashing right there. >> let me ask you when we're talking about thad cochran, obviously a more senior republican, more moderate republican. we have two other races this week where the tea party is trying to get their first real big win of the year. you have kansas with pat roberts against a guy that was posting bizarre photos of, was it, dead people? i'm not sure. and then the other one is in tennessee with lamar alexander. are both those senior republicans pretty safe?

>> they look pretty good at this point. what both pat roberts and lamar alexander did, they were prepared for these challenges. it's not rocket science, to win these primaries. so much of it is just showing up and running really strong campaigns. lamar alexander also helped with the fact that there are a lot of candidates in the primary. much like thad cochran, he spent the last year moving more to the right in order to stave off these tea party attacks and he got helped, you're right, joe, by the fact that his opponent did post some not very good stuff on facebook, when you're mocking patients who have been shot. >> not very good stuff. >> not very good. >> some gruesome photos. >> gruesome. >> not very good stuff. so as a tea party, they can't take credit for eric cantor. so what's the big tea party win this year? >> policy. >> no, who did they knock off?

have they knocked off a single senior republican, anybody? >> i would say they've rewired the way the house votes, though, right? >> yeah. >> it's been that way for a while. >> it's proof to the point, what amy just referred to. both lamar alexander and pat roberts had campaigns up and running for quite some time. eric cantor clearly had nothing going on. >> caught sleeping. thad cochran was caught sleeping. a lot of them caught sleeping. it seems like the establishment was ready this time. washington is remembering former white house press secretary james brady. he passed away yesterday. he was, of course, left partially paralyzed after being shot during the assassination attempt of ronald reagan in 1981. brady became a tireless fighter for stricter gun control laws and andrea mitchell who, of course, covered the reagan white house and knew the bradys looks back on his life. >> 69 days after ronald reagan

took office -- >> shots were fired at president reagan in washington. >> -- six shots were fired, the first meant for the president explode in the head of the white house press secretary james brady. brady had always been known as the bear, big, irreverent, when candidate reagan said trees caused pollution, he joked about killer trees. after being fought, brady fought for his life, struggled to speak and to walk. the reagans insisted he keep the title of press secretary and rename the briefing room in his honor. nancy reagan even joked about reports she opposed giving brady the job because he wasn't good looking enough. >> i kept calling him my y & h, my young and handsome. he's still my y & h.

>> worked tirelessly against gun violence. the brady bill, five-day waiting period and background checks beforehand sales. the assault weapons ban lasted ten years until congress let it lapse. after gabby giffords was shot, again, speaking out. >> still just as funny and -- >> not to mention funny looking. >> his neuro surgeon remembers that fateful day. >> the greatest achievement was saving the life of the president of the united states, walked right in the line of fire. >> he lived for another 33 years, valiant till the end. >> jim brady was 73 years old. when reagan said trees cause pollution, some people would go around and put signs up on trees. reagan's campaign, stop me before i kill again. brady knew how to joke, sort of brush aside the criticism.

he knew how to work with the press. he liked the press. the press liked him. even though the press was fairly hostile to ronald reagan. that's a missing art. >> oh, it sure is. and it's a different time. there were none of the components of the media that are around now, twitter and all that stuff. jim brady had a way to disarm even the most hostile of interrogators in that press room. >> he sure did. all right. still ahead on "morning joe," we'll continue our conversation on teacher tenure and student rights. campbell brown was here yesterday. now we have randy weingarten and former los angeles mayor antonio villaraigosa. they join us in just a bit. israel withdraws all of its troops from gaza as a 72-hour cease fire goes into effect. is it a cease fire or could it actually open up hopes for a larger peace plan? you're watching "morning joe."

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israeli troops are in gaza as a three-day cease fire is in effect. it's completed its mission of destroying hamas' known tunnels. will the truce hold up this time? let's bring in right now nbc news chief correspondent, richard engel who is live in gaza. israel says, of course, that it's achieved its mission. but you have the state department coming out a couple of days ago in some of the

toughest talk i've ever heard aheard. so talk about the pressures on both these sides and whether it may give us a chance for a lasting peace. >> reporter: well, i think you've hit the factors here quite well. for israel, this came down to increasing pressure from the united states. the u.s. stepped up its rhetoric. the state department with that blistering statement over the weekend, after israel continued to fire into gaza and civilians kept getting killed. i think there was just one incident too many when, over the weekend, more palestinians taking refuge at a u.n. shelter were killed. six u.n. schools turned into shelters over the course of this conflict took direct hits. for some people at the white house and state department, that

was just too much. on the hamas side, hamas really bowed to pressure from egypt and recognized it didn't have the kind of popular support across the arab world that it thought it did. hamas, throughout this conflict, wanted to negotiate with qatar. it wanted to negotiate with turkey. it wanted to negotiate with those who are sympathetic to the muslim brotherhood. hamas is an offshoot for the muslim brotherhood and egypt said you want to relieve the pressure on gaza, lift the closure, you want egypt to open its border with the gaza strip, you're going to have to deal with cairo and you're going to have to deal with the new government in cairo, run by general sisi, who doesn't like the muslim brotherhood. at the end of the day, hamas realized it had no choice and now is in cairo, negotiating with general sisi, which it never wanted to do. >> if hamas takes a step back and allows the more moderate or

plo factions to be in charge here in some meaningful way, how will that be interpreted in gaza? >> reporter: hamas here in gaza is saying this is a great victory. hamas always declares victory, i think, in every war both sides always declare victory. but the reality is hamas had to go to cairo and is going to have to accept more presence from the other more moderate palestinian factions because the egyptians are going to impose that on them. hamas has gone to cairo. the egyptians are saying we'll open the border but we want not hamas running the border. we want other palestinian factions, mahmoud abbas' faction running that. hamas is losing something out of all of this. it's losing some of its authority here in gaza and it's having to recognize the power of the new egyptian regime. and it's recognizing as well that the muslim brotherhood's

days when they were the most popular groups all across the middle east, that the situation has changed profoundly on that. you can see the same protests. we didn't see rallies in damascus, cairo, baghdad. we saw a lot of rhetoric, distressful images but the people didn't come out in the streets for hamas this time. >> what is the sense in israel about prospective peace negotiations going forward after there was such a seemingly direct effort to diminish the efforts of the american secretary of state john kerry? >> reporter: i think israel is saying our relations with hamas are purely security based. we won't attack them if they don't attack us. we don't want anything to do with them. we'll negotiate with the palestinian authority. hamas' real problem will be with egypt. hamas will have to talk with cairo and figure out how to open the border.

after this, relations between israel and hamas -- by the way, the two sides don't officially recognize each other -- are broken glass. they're not going to be repaired or put together. >> thank you so much, richard. greatly appreciate it. appreciate your great reporting from there. richard engel, thank you so much. now with us from washington, plo to the united states, thank you, mr. ambassador, for being with us. >> thank you. >> we have been hearing for quite some time now that egypt, saudi arabia, jordan, does not want to deal with hamas. they want to deal with the plo and the palestinian authority. they want to deal with you all. is this not only an opening for more moderate forces in the palestinian territories but also an opening for peace? >> well, first of all, the palestinian delegation that went to cairo on saturday was formed

by president abbas and it does, for the first time, include very palestinian factions, from hamas, islamic jihad, and others. first in the political, you know, life or experience. and therefore what they presented to the egyptian officials over the last two days was a unified palestinian position. we have said all along that we don't want any regional alliances and realliances to impact the palestinian people. and the palestinian leadership has been very clear about neutralizing the pestinians from all these shifts in the region and political dynamics in the region. >> hamas came, obviously, to you all several months ago, out of necessity, to form a political alliance. is this -- the fact that they are now agreeing to let the plo

take the lead -- talk about the opportunities for peace. not just for a cease fire but for a lasting peace. in the past, obviously, there have been concerns that if the plo struck a separate peace with israel, factions like hamas would try to assassinate whatever leaders in the plo tried to strike that peace. now it seems that there is a unified front for -- and can we take some hope from that that maybe we can have a lasting peace deal? >> had israel accepted and also in 2014 we would have spared everybody this destruction and slaughter in the gaza strip. 1900 people have been killed, 10,000 have been wounded. the only thing that prime minister netanyahu can brag about is the killing of civilians and the destruction of gaza. we wanted to start the political

process when hamas accepted the government. we were planning on engaging them in the political dialogue that would eventually bring them into the plo. this remains to be our objective. there is enough pragmatism within hamas, political leadership, i have to say at least, to go along with the palestinian or plo national agenda for finding a resolution to the conflict with israel through peaceful means. >> so you're hopeful we won't see what we've seen before, and that is just a cycle of a cease fire and then hamas being able to rebuild their capabilities and us going through this deadly cycle every few years? >> it takes two to tangle. >> yes, it does. >> it takes two to tango. israel also needs to understand that its blockade of the gaza strip for the last seven years has left people in gaza without

any hope. what do they expect an oppressed people -- when you address an oppressed people through violence, what do you expect them to respond by? >> mr. ambassador, i think mr. netanyahu is bragging not necessarily about killing civilians but shutting down tunnels and pushing back rockets that were meant to try to hurt israel. i love when you use the word pragmatic about hamas. it's a terrorist organization. nothing pragmatic about that. >> what about members in the israeli government who are calling for the transfer of the palestinians? what about members who are calling for the death of palestinian mothers and the snakes that they have in their wombs? listen, in order to get over this cycle of violence and make sure it's not repeated we need to put an end to the root causes. you cannot tell me that this began because of hamas building tunnels or launching rockets.

>> it did start with rockets from hamas. that's exactly where -- >> it didn't start -- >> it has nothing else to do -- >> donny, hold it, hold it. we're not going to cure 3,000 year s of -- in the remaining to minutes that we have. since we just had that back and forth, chi sit here as a supporter of israel for ten minutes and say the things that donny just said. the palestinian people could talk about all the suffering that they've had to endure and theiesilation and the terrible conditions they've had to endure over the past several years. the question is, can we look forward? can we move forward and find a common ground between israel and the palestinian people for a two-state solution that might create a living environment in gaza and a secure environment in israel? >> well, i think we need to look beyond gaza, joe. this is not only issue. i think the united states has been investing a lot of efforts.

secretary of state kerry has invested a lot of time. the parameters of this resolution are clear to everybody, two-state solution based on 1967 just agreed upon resolution to the refugee problem, security arrangements that will not engage on the sovereignty of the future palestinian state. the ball is in israel's court. israel needs to decide whether they want to pursue this path of violence every year, every two years against the palestinians or they want to sit and engage to find a real end to this conflict once and for all. >> mr. ambassador, thank you so much for being with us. hopefully, you will come back again some time soon. >> thank you. >> so, donny, obviously, we could sit here and debate. you're not going to have a guy that's in charge of the plo delegation going out, attacking

hamas. of course, hamas is their enemy domestically as well. why didn't you sit there and scream and wave your arms about hamas, we can do that. what they're trying to do, though, is what happened in ireland. where you actually had guys like jerry adams that basically had to drag the most violent factions of the ira over and -- drag them over, not attack them publicly and quietly say -- jerry adams, still, one of the -- it's just a shock that jerry adams has been able to keep the violent factions in line as long as he has. >> it is. >> one thing publicly but privately, don't screw with me. do not step out of line. and, donny, i know, this is a very emotional moment. we don't want to see this in two or three more years. >> no, we don't. >> hamas is a terror organization. guess what? so was ira. guess what?

there's peace now. >> i got it. >> in northern ireland. >> and it's about the violent israelis and the pragmatic hamas. >> donny -- >> that's exactly what he said. >> what do you expect him to say? >> how do you expect me to react? >> i understand. i am just explaining. if we are going to move forward, you have to understand, he represents a people who have had 5, 6, 7-year-old people dragged out of their homes dead. >> used as shields. >> that does not matter to the father of a 5-year-old child. >> it matters to this discussion. >> it does matter to this discussion, donny. don't talk to us like we're 2-year-olds. we know hamas uses children as shields. we know hamas uses people to protect their missiles and israel uses their missiles to protect people. we understand. netanyahu is right but sometimes being right does not -- >> doesn't solve the problem. >> does not solve the problem.

>> let's leave it at that. >> we'll leave it at that. coming up -- this is going to make teacher tenure seem really tame, randy. >> we got it all out. >> we got it now. now we're going to make teacher tenure seem almost boring. the lawsuit against teacher tenure nothing more than smoke screens. he openly questions why teachers unions are opposed to change. randy is here along with the mayor of los angeles. i'm not going to call him former. he's still the mayor, baby. he's still the mayor. we'll be right back. and thank you for your bravery. thank you colonel. thank you daddy. military families are uniquely thankful for many things, the legacy of usaa auto insurance can be one of them. if you're a current or former military member or their family, get an auto insurance quote and see why 92% of our members plan to stay for life.

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it's about us beginning to treat teachers like individuals. they aren't interchangeable. they are individuals and they should be evaluated and rewarded for performance as any other person in a profession. >> teachers are the best people in the world. they love kids. they're out there, the best teachers. i think most teachers feel this way. this is not anti-teacher. people get jobs based on merit. we need to keep that merit system going while they progress. we do it in every other profession and we need to do it here. >> that, of course, is campbell brown and david boyce. teacher tenure yesterday. they're backing a lawsuit that

wants to overturn new york state's tenure laws. it's happened in a lot of other states t comes a month after an l.a. judge struck down tenure and other job protections for other california teachers. now with her own take, president of the american federation of teachers, i promised we would get you on, randi weingarten and former democratic mayor of los angeles and former organizer of the united teachers of los angeles, antonio villaraigosa. mr. mayor, teachers are -- some of your former colleagues are thinking you have betrayed them. why do you oppose teacher tenure? >> i challenge the notion we can't have disagreements among friends. one out of ten poor kids are going to graduating from a four-year college. the fact of the matter is in math, we're at 30, when you

compare us to other nations in the world. in science, we're at 23. in reading, we're at 20. we have a national crisis. and for poor kids, kids of color, they're not even competing with the developing world. so we've got to challenge one another. we've got to set high standards. >> and you think getting rid of teacher tenure does that? >> it allows us to have a conversation. i first filed the reed case, the predicate, frankly, for this case. the rest of the city was only losing 3%. >> let me bring you in, randi. i remember you telling me one time off camera you were looking and saw these great liberal icons around the table all basically going after teachers unions. now we have david boyce, the mayor. do you feel like you're on the wrong side of history here? >> let's define what the fight

is, which is that everyone, particularly people who care about poor kids, are incredibly frustrated because in a capitalist democracy, the only thing that was always the pathway to social mobility was schooling, public schooling. that's why people are frustrated. >> by the way, i saw a report today, the rich are going to keep getting richer and poorer are going to keep getting poorer until we make our education system better. >> i'm going to get back to that. it's not simply the education system but social mobility, income inequality. >> absolutely. >> we think in a capitalist democracy, okay, this is the road to social mobility, education. so what happens is it's the right debate and the wrong remedy. because if you -- >> why is teacher tenure the wrong remedy? >> what teacher tenure does is teacher tenure lets people -- i hate the word tenure. due process lets people innovate

in classrooms. it lets people whistleblow. it lets people talk about the things that teachers and kids need. where you are right, joe -- and we've had this discussion so many different times, before and after while waiting for superman, was the system that was broken was the teacher evaluation system. >> right but as far as teacher tenure goes, mike barnicle -- i'm sorry. >> let me finish one more thing, which is this. you actually helped us here. and in over -- jurisdiction after swrurd, we've actually worked to fix things and in new york, this is one of the reasons that this case is so wrong. in new york, in connecticut, in maryland, in illinois, we have actually worked -- new jersey, to change teacher tenure so it is actually not a cloak of incompetence and not an excuse of managers not to manage. >> first of all we agree, it is

not just seniority and tenure. it's also the evaluation system. in los angeles, as an example, about 99%. between 97 and 99% of the teachers were getting a highly satisfactory or satisfactory evaluation. when you asked them how many times the principal had come into their room to evaluate them, the answer would be almost never. the fact of the matter is we have to be able to evaluate teachers. we have to be able to hold them accountable. we have to hold ourselves accountable, too. i don't put all of this on the teachers union or the teachers. there's a lot of great teachers. i've worked with them. there are organizations like teach plus that are really working to reform our schools and to engage in best practices. there are charters, public charters, by the way, not as you hear from some. these are public charters doing tremendous things. the highly effective ones. i think there are ways for us to collaborate. what i saw as the lawsuit as an opportunity to do is to have a

conversation. we have uber due process, the court said, in california. when you can't fire a pedophile who has been already admitted to being a pedophile and you can't fire them. >> mr. mayor, let me -- >> mike, that's one of the big complaints you always hear about tenure, it protects incompetent teachers. >> city after city, case after case, you can prove that. my argument is this is all pro teacher. it's not anti-teacher. how do we do the following? how do we get to the point where parents, who have a child in public school, rich or poor, have a vibrant, electric, 30-year-old young person teaching and you've got -- this is not an attack on veteran teachers, but an older teacher who wants to retire, is not retiring, and the young teacher, in municipal bankruptcies, the young teacher is out the door. >> what's happening right now is our teaching force is hugely changed and you don't have a

whole lot of the people who are senior teachers anymore. the median, the number one -- the most teachers right now in america have less than two years of experience. so the issue right now is actually how do you build the capacity of the teaching force when we're throwing so much at them and how do you attract and retain great teachers? >> you pay them more. >> it's more than that. how do you attract teachers to the school that i taught in, in new york city? so when you talk to great teachers, what they say is they need their voice and they need training. they need to be able to speak. and that's what's wrong with this lawsuit. in new york, we actually did the work that the mayor is complaining about in california. the average amount of time it takes for a tenure case right now in new york city is 105 days. what's happened is that since we talked last, we actually stepped up and did a lot of work to solve some of these problems what i don't like about the copy cat cases, it ignores all of

that. let's work on attracting and row taning great teachers to high-need schools and give teachers the voice that they need to actually help kids. >> randi, thank you so much for coming. hope you'll come back. >> i will, always. >> good. we need to get a big round table and just talk this out. >> absolutely. >> we can do it. mr. mayor, thank you. >> great to be on. >> i'm glad you're on the east coast more so you get to watch the show more. >> i'm glad, too. "morning joe" will be right back.

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children, children, wake up your drunk parents. it's time to talk about what we learned today. >> i learned that rand paul is perhaps a blind ophthalmologist. check out his search. >> he supports the rainbow coalition so much he's wearing

it! donny, what did you find? >> you and my former friend, et tu brutus don't like sunshine, puppy dogs and children. >> you use debates over israel's security to pick up women in east hampton. that is disgusting. you have been called out. you're a dog. look at him. we caught him. >> it's the truth. >> i do not. >> i'm sorry you had to see that. >> i learned something. >> what did you learn today? >> from richard engel it took a dictatorship in egypt to strengthen moderates in gaza. >> don't give an intelligent answer. >> but that -- >> don't give an intelligent answer. >> children, if it's way too early, it's "morning joe." stick around. we've got chuck todd and "the daily rundown." ♪

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