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was later pronounced dead at the hospital. >> 1:00 p.m. on the east coast. 10:00 a.m. an the west. here's what you need to know right now. first some developing news. the local fbi is now also investigating that shooting death of a missouri teen by police. protesters gathered outside the ferguson pd this morning. take a look at this live scene of the scene. police lined up there on the right. they were yelling don't shoot at those officers earlier. officers were also in riot gear last night as you see them there when violence and looting broke out following a vigil for 18-year-old michael brown. brown was shot and killed saturday in what police say was a struggle with the officer. the town's chief claims he was going after that officer's gun. but witnesses, including a woman who captured this video say that brown had his hands in the air.
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the chief of st. louis county police spoke this hour. >> i want to assure you that this is a very complicated investigation as it should be. a man lost his life. there's a police officer involved in this. and we need to make sure that this investigation is done right. we get one chance to do it. the police officer who shot brown is now on leave. in iraq today, the obama administration is now directly arming kurdish fighters. providing small arms and shoulder fired weapons. through the cia. the last 24 hours, u.s. air strikes helped those same kurdish fighters retake two strategic towns. both just a half hour's drive from erbil which is home to a u.s. consulate. these advances opened up an escape route for those desperate yazidi minority refugees. thousands of them fled on foot into syria, of all places.
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here's one yazidi account of that dangerous journey. >> i just came from the mountain by my foot. i walk from sinjar mountain to syria. walking. just we have the bottle of water. some time we will drink it, no more. there's thousands of peoples. >> a desperate situation there. tens of thousands of those yazidis still remain trapped on mt. sinjar. back in new york state, the sheriff investigating the death of a nascar driver says no charges are pending against that racer, tony stewart. stewart sat out of yesterday's race after striking and killing a fellow driver saturday in upstate new york. video posted on youtube shows two cars. see that video there. one is stewart. the other belonging to kevin ward jr. they collided an that track
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killing ward. ward is climbing out and walking on to the track just before he was hit by stewart's rear tire. we're not going to show the moment of impact there. the sheriff says there's no indication of any criminal intent in ward's death but we're going to take a closer look at the broader culture of nascar and racing later this hour. let's drill down on that shooting in missouri and the chaos still unfolding there as a result. that shooting, of course, claimed the life of 18-year-old michael brown and sparked violent protests overnight. tensions at a rally boiled over justice this morning. that's what you are watching there. the st. louis suburb of ferguson, missouri. this is the latest in a series of troubling shootings of unarmed black americans. renisha mcbride. or john crawford carrying a toy gun in walmart last week when police shot and killed him. of course, this case is drawing a lot of parallels to that of trayvon martin whose shooter was acquitted of murder.
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i'm joined by jonathan capehart, bergier o'neil and on the phone, antonio french, an alderman of the 21st ward of st. louis with an on the ground view. what's the latest an the ground in ferguson? >> the latest an the ground is that according to a family friend, they will be meeting with al sharpton later on this evening. and another rally is being planned for saturday. and the city of jennings which is in the suburb of st. louis county. >> jonathan, you wrote an incredible peace this morning about the burden of being a black male in america. to this day, whether i'm going to run or just running out to get something from my car nearby, i never step out of my home without my driver's license, insurance card and my "washington post" card with my partner's cell phone number written on it. you are going through your stuff
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there. you have it on you all the time. are black americans, as you put it, under siege? >> yes, and i wrote this in response to the conversation that's been happening because of congressman brooks who said that the democratic party has -- that there's a war on whites. and the shooting of michael brown, the shooting of renisha mcbride. the shooting of trayvon martin. you go on and on down the list it just highlights the -- what african-americans and african-american men in particular have to go through just to ensure their own safety. as i wrote, i carry my driver's license and insurance card and my business card with my partner's cell phone number on it just in case something happens. when trayvon martin was killed, i wrote a piece, reprise in this piece today, lessons that -- don't run in public. don't run with anything in your hands. keep a discreet distance away from white women, lest you get accused of any number of things.
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so if there is -- if anyone is under siege, i would say it would be african-americans and african-american men in particular. >> you know, it resonates so much for me on a personal level because i grew up with a black brother and people talk about this term black motheritis. my white mother had black mother itis. i heard the speech so many times. my brother was a big black guy and he'd run in the supermarket as a young teen. she'd say you can't do that. and that he had to dress in a different way from me because there were all these fears about maybe violence against him if he went across the street in a hoodie or looking a certain way. >> these are the sorts of things that, you know, while it's painful for me to have to write about these things, about the limitations that i have to put on myself or that my mom put on me, it's helpful, though, that people know this. and understand this. that the folks who are -- the lawful protesting people there
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in ferguson, missouri or sanford, florida, they are protesting the fact it seems like black life and black male life, isn't worth anything. >> it's the backdrop for these dramatic protests. we're looking at that live footage there. we've got a voice from the ground there. alderman antonio french of st. louis is at the ferguson police department rally. he's been live tweeting it. what can you tell us about what's bubbling over there? >> well, i think what you see here is a lot of anger and tension that's been bubbling for a long time between young african-american males and the largely white police officers that patrol the neighborhoods. ferguson is no different than the many municipalities around ferguson in north st. louis county and really in my neighborhood in north st. louis city, we feel a lot of the same tension. i think that's why you see so many people coming to ferguson to show support for mike brown and his family.
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but also to stand in protest against police discrimination and police abuse. >> tell us about ferguson, where we're watching this footage. it's got a population of 21,000. that's mostly black population. 70% black. what are the racial dynamics like there? >> well, the racial dynamics, what i've heard on -- someone posted on facebook that ferguson could be very volatile racially. the racial dynamics there, people are tired of being racially profiled is what the dynamics are. >> and alderman, is there hard evidence at this point that that's what happened in obviously we have conflicting accounts. we want to be careful to note that. why is it that all these crowds of people feel so confident this is a case of racial profiling?
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>> well, you know, it's not just about mike brown. so what happened to mr. brown happens to african-american men on a regular basis. especially in north county. we all know, as was spoken earlier, how we have to change our behauvior when we go throug these small municipalities. so much anger and tension building over. then when you come to the specific facts of this case, the eyewitness reports contradict what the ferguson police department offers as their explanation of the case yesterday in the press conference. people kind of held out for a hope of justice to be served. but at the press conference yesterday, that really set the tone for what happened last night. people were very angry. >> jonathan, as we part ways on this, what do you think can be done to change the kinds of circumstances we just heard about from the alderman that you talk about in your column? how can you change this relationship between the police and unarmed black americans
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being so volatile and dangerous. >> if i had the answer to that, i'd be a very rich man. >> you'd be running the country. >> yeah. i think overall what needs to happen is people need to justice generally speaking in this country, there needs to be a zone of trust to be able to talk about race and racial issues. where everyone understands the motivations behind what people are feeling so that way you can establish this level of trust. that's what's missing. there's no trust nationally speaking to have these conversations on race that people always say we need to have when something like this happens. there's no trust there. until we can build that trust, we're going to have situations like this. >> certainly today's events do nothing but set that back. jonathan capehart, appreciate it. stay with us. we'll keep at this story as it develops. jonathan capehart will be sitting in on "the cycle" today
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at 3:00 p.m. eastern. tune in for that. every time he's on, incredible stuff comes out. coming up next in our hour here, my colleague joy reid will, of course, speak with the st. louis police chief and the president of the naacp. that's coverage you'll not want to miss. when we come back, it looks like u.s. air strikes are finally making a difference for kurdish forces fighting isis. but is it all too little, too late? hillaryclunton spa oo oon clinta new debate. reduces gray withoutg rid of it all in just 5 minutes. for the perfect gray look you want. new touch of gray mustache and beard. with centurylink visionary cloud a brinfrastructure, and custom communications solutions, your business is more reliable, secure, and agile.
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defiant speech. accusing iraq's president of violating that country's constitution. in northern iraq, u.s. air strikes are continuing against isis militants advancing on iraqi kurdistan's capital erbil. increasingly desperate fight in an increasingly chaotic country. first let's get the latest from erbil, iraq. duncan golestani is there. how effective have thyself u.s. air strikes been so far? >> hey, ronan. according to new information we get from the u.s. military and from kurdish officials, they are proving particularly effective, especially over the weekend. we learned that on sunday afternoon, u.s. aircraft attacked a convoy of isis fighters which was maneuvering itself towards a kurdish position. the peshmerga there stationed ready to defend their city erbil where we are now. that was deemed a success. we've also know that the peshmerga have been able to
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retake two important towns that they had lost. important because those two towns are only about half an hour away from where we are now. and the peshmerga were only able to do that because they have the air cover from the u.s. but having said that, the front lines keep an moving. so although we had successes up here in the north, in the ton of jalawa around an hour away from baghdad, we know that kurdish forces have been overrun by isis fighters and that they've lost that town there with losses of many of their fighters. >> duncan golestani, thank you for that. and stay safe out there. we heard how critical these kurdish fighters are. they are reportedly receiving weapons and ammunition from the obama administration. the question for man is, should we have been arming elements an the grond earlier? and particularly, in syria? in a new interview with "the atlantic," former secretary of state hillary clinton says, yes,
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the failure to build up a credible fighting force of the people who were the originators of the protests of against assad were the islamists. they were secularists. there was everyone in the middle and the failure to do that left a big vacuum which the jihadists have now filled. so what would arming moderate elements in syria actually have looked like? this is thrown around a lot. let's drill down into what the substance of this would be. according to foreign policy, there are as many as 1,000 armed groups in syria. representing up to 100,000 fighters. so would the u.s. have been wise to get into the game of arming some of those many, many fractious groups? joining us is former u.s. ambassador to the u.n. and former energy secretary bill richardson. always a pleasure to have you on the program. could arming more elements in syria have stopped the rise of isis? >> no. i was arming more the syrian opposition. i was for those air strikes the
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president wanted to do in syria. that didn't happen. but to say that that's the cause for isis to form, i mean, this isis group is all offver the country. eastern syria and points all over. i mean, they are a grassroots movement. horrendous movement. but i think this is another sign of hillary clinton probably going to run for president. but to say that that caused the rise of the jihadists of isis is not accurate. we were talking about limited arms. as you pointed out, perhaps 25%, 25,000 of them -- of the 100,000 syrian opposition groups are bad guys. they are tied with al qaeda. so it's not as easy to say by arming the opposition. the opposition is many groups. 1,000 groups.
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very dissolute. very divided with very, very bad credentials. we're not talking about benjamin franklin and john adams here. these are not good guys. >> that's exactly the problem. to be fair to hillary cluntson in that quote, she doesn't say it caused the rise of isis but it created a vacuum that extremists are now filling. so that's the debate. and you point out what the obstacle was. these are not fractious groups. let's take a look at who these elements are. we've got a list of some of the more prominent ones within that group. here are six of the biggest players. i want to get your take on what it would have looked like tactically to get in bed with some of these odd bedfellows. first off, of course, one of the most popular candidates would have been the free syrian army. still a call we hear frequently. robert ford and others arguing we should have given them guns and training. others say they are just a loose network of brigades.
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what's your take? >> well, i do agree with ambassador ford. i think, you know, in a bad lot of people, you pick the ones that are the most immediamodera best, have some kind of democratic principles and some that have staying power. and i think i would have given those groups some limited training. but then, you know, because there's so many of them and they are strong, and they have demonstrated ties to al qaeda, you have to be extremely careful. i think you have to do some d diplomacy. bring those groups together. don't just make it a u.s. effort. bring the french and brits and other surrounding states. do some frakwork. say you'll get support but you have to start working together and have democratic principles and stop these ties to al qaeda. that's what i think we should have done. >> specifically with the free syrian army or as you look at this list, some of these other
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candidates. who do you turn to? the national coalition for syrian opposition forces. that was a replacement for the next group on the list which was problematic for the west to deal with. even the newer group we mentioned didn't fix a lot of those ills. what is your thought? you think the free syrian army is the answer here? >> well, i'm not sure. i don't want to pick any. i think that they are probably among the better of the lot. you can't expect perfection in opposition groups in libya, in syria, in egypt, anywhere. but at the same time, look at the alternative. the alternative in syria is the assad regime supported by iran with all of these bad ties with a lot of bad people. so what you want to do is, yes, take a stand but be deliberate, be careful, but do a lot of
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spade work ahead of time. and i think that's what we still need to do. there are no good choices, as they say. there are a lot of bad options and you pick the worst of the bad options. >> thank you so much, bill richardson. always appreciate your insights on this. coming up -- nascar champ tony stewart is known for his in your face attitude both on and off the tracks. but an iconic, infamous now moment is raising all sorts of questions about the fighting culture in his sport. we drill down on this video right when we come back. (woman) the constipation and belly pain feel tight like a vise. how can i ease this pain? (man) when i can't go, it's like rocks piling up. i wish i could find some relief. (announcer) ask your doctor about linzess-- a once-daily capsule for adults with ibs with constipation or chronic idiopathic constipation.
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help. it also spoke to a central player in the u.s. military operation. the kurdish peshmerga fighters the united states is now arming with the desperate hope they can defeat isis. joining me in the studio is vocativ reporter lindsey snell and zach iscol, ceo of higher purpose. you've been on the ground. how effective a partnership is that for the united states? >> well, the peshmerga are sort of the fighters that are part of the kurdish demographic of iraq. and they are storied warriors. one of the issues we do have, though, is they haven't really been in combat the way that they were in the 1980s and 1990s. these are the mountain warriors, the guerrilla warriors that stood against saddam hussein throughout the 1980s and early 1990s. they are storied warriors.
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but many of the younger men who are now making up the peshmerga have not been in active combat the way they were 30 years ago. at the same time, the peshmerga were sort of the first iraqi unit that we would turn to earlier in the war when we were looking for iraqis to lead the fight. >> and lindsey, you also visited with kurdish peshmerga fighters. you went to their old air base in kirkuk. do they think this fight is winnable? >> ultimately they do, but they need help. they are desperately underarmed and need help at the big border. they are willing to fight to the death but they know they need help. >> what about the other end of the equation. the refugees this operation is helping. you came face to face with the yazidis and had some dramatic moments. >> it's devastating. we went to a refugee camp. i think the most stunning thing was the children. children of women who have been taken by isis as slaves and
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their fathers executed and they are just hysterical and they have not stopped crying for their mothers. >> is there one story that stands out to you? >> definitely, a 1-year-old boy who literally has not stopped crying for five days for his mother. and now the other woman in the camp have taken on all of these children. just devastating. >> it's such a desperate situation. zach, obviously, in addition to the air strikes, there have been these drops of humanitarian assistance. at what point if any, should the u.s. consider a more hands-on evacuation effort? >> probably a while ago. one of the reasons, you know, a while ago. there is -- one of the reasons this is so important at this juncture is it's not just the yazidis who are refugees. kurdistan is sheltering hundreds of thousands of refugees not just from iraq but from the entire region. you aren't just talking about humanitarian crisis for the
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kurds but also all the other minorities taking shelter in that area of the country. >> that's what makes this relationship with the peshmerga so important. they are the ones we seem to be leaning on. lindsey you talked to the secretary-general of the peshmerga who was calling for more american involvement. it seems like thus far this administration has been reluctant to do that for fear of maybe splitting up the cannot further. but they are among the vifew seemingly good actors on the grond that have been reliable in the past. what do you think should come next based an that conversation you had? >> more support without question. more support. they need armored vehicles, better weapons. they want ground troops but they're willing to settle for whatever help we can get them. >> when we look at the theater there, what are the big targets here that are of -- at risk right now and what are the ways in which the peshmerga could help in protecting those areas? i want to look at erbil. you've been there, zach. how strategically important is that city and how effective can
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they be in helping the efforts to not see it fall? >> it's a great question. you know, peshmerga definitely have a role in protecting erbil but they cannot do it alone. they need help and they need our help to protect that city. one of the reasons that city is so important, it's the gateway to the rest of kurdistan and a city most of iraq hoped would become their dubai. you go there and over the last couple of years, the skyline is filled with cranes. a lot of construction. a lot of business investment. there's five-star hotels. and then you also have this refugee population from the region. in addition to that, the kurds are a major political force in the country and should erbil fall, you sort of lose that leg that's holding the country together. >> do those we've just heard critically strategic forces seem upbeat to you right now? what is the attitude on the ground? we were looking at footage of you in some of your conversations. >> they are completely optimistic. they are willing to fight to the death. they definitely think they'll
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win ultimately. and they are going to protect kurdistan. >> and the concern here is, you are picking the least of evils in a very fractious, very complex situation. we just talked to bill richardson about how undesirable any of the elements in this picture are discipline flooding more weapons into this conflict present too many risks? >> i think it depends on who you are supporting. if you are talking about arming some of the shia factions within baghdad and within southern iraq, yes. there are significant risks to that. if you are talking about arming some of the sunni tribes out west, sure. there's certainly some major concerns there. but the kurds have been our greatest friends in the region for close to 30 years. this is part of iraq that we did not lose a single u.s. troop over the continue years we were at war. they love america there. they see us as the people that protected them from saddam hussein in the early 1990s. they credit us with their freedom and the semblance of democracy they have in that region.
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>> at the same time, they are making a bid for separatism when we're desperately trying to hold iraq together. >> they are and they are not. the president of iraq is a kurd. they are still playing a role in the formation of this new government. but i think they are looking to the exits. i think most of us would february you see tbe if you see the way this country is falling apart. >> the fraught history of our arming factions on the ground, there's a lot of questions here. this is a tremendousing development. thank you for your reporting, lindsey and thank you, zach. up next, we have another international story that may frighten you. a rise in anti-semitic attacks across europe. so is the conflict in gaza at the root of this? we dive into the troubling details when we come back. don't go away. [male vo] inside this bag is 150 years of swedish experience in perfecting the rich, never bitter taste of gevalia. we do it all for this very experience.
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right now in gaza, an uneasy cease-fire appears to be holding. that cease-fire went into effect midnight cairo time. israel and palestinian representatives are still at the table. struggling to come to an agreement that will finally hold. the conflict, though is echoing far beyond the middle east. just this weekend, flyers calling for a boycott of jewish owned stores were plastered across rome. in sydney, australia, schools were on high alert after eight men stormed a school bus shouting kill the jews last week. this follows attacks on synagogues on the rise. and an unintended consequence between the conflict between israel and gaza? joining me is martin fletcher in tel aviv. we'll get into this really frightening rise of anti-semitism in a moment. martin, you've been following this latest cease-fire. any sense this one will hold more than 72 hours? >> i think there is -- i think
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there is, ronan. the talks are being continuing in cairo. the israelis have joined those talks and they appear to be making progress. some leaks coming out of it which suggest they are getting closer on the key issue of how to lift the siege of gaza. israel will not just lift the two -- its three border crossings completely. the main discussion is around the gaza -- around the rafah border between gaza and egypt. and appears that there's movement towards the egyptian and israeli proposal of getting about 1,000 palestinian police on the west bank loyal to mahmoud abbas to get them to be the main force monitoring what goes in and out of gaza. so there is progress there. and we're now about 21 hours into the cease-fire. three-day cease-fire that's been no rockets, no israeli attacks on gaza. because there seems to be progress in cairo, it's unlikely at this stage that either of the two sides here would want to upset the cease-fire which has been -- which is a boon to,
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obviously, the people in gaza who are now able to go out and buy food and get some drinking water, check up on their homes. in particular, don't forget the t 10,000 wounded palestinians. people are going to the clinics to check an their family members. there seems to be no desire to break this cease-fire. that's the wishful thinking at this stage. >> the human toll has been devastating. a lot of hopes riding on this cease-fire. you have spent decades covering not just this region but much of the world. how do you see this rise unfolding? is this an issue of us just seeing more reporting an this due to the current conflict or are we seeing an up tick in sena anti-semitism. >> i'm sure it's both. there's definitely a major uptick. up tick is a kind word in anti-semitism at the moment. clearly the trigger is the fighting in gaza and the horrific pictures coming out of gaza which reflect a horrific
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reality in gaza. about 2,000 killed, 10,000 wounded. many of them, according to the u.n., 70% women and children. genuine outrage around the world. what happens here is the question is the same as always. is the -- are the anti-zionism demonstrations, the attacks against israel is that a fig leaf or anti-semitism? and that's always the issue. whenever israel is attacked. anti-semitic attacks increase, too. so the question is what comes first? it seems to me pretty clear there's a latent anti-semitism in many places that then becomes legitimized when you have a real reason to attack israel. for many people there now is a real reason to attack israel. you just go to the demonstrations or -- especially in europe, but also in the united states of america, there's one big one in new york where anti-jewish slogans become just way too frequent. >> chris, you are in d.c. right now but based in paris for many years.
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that's been an epicenter of this. a lot of jews being attacked an t on the streets. slogans being spray painted on buildings. do you think israel's current military operation has given cart blanch to that latent anti-semitism? >> not cart blanch but i think that martin gave a clear picture of the way it works. you have this increase in protests targeting israel and that very quickly slides over into what's usually a minority of protesters who start to express, really, grotesque and ugly anti-semitic views. but it's very complicated in france and it's complicated in a lot of these countries. on the one hand you have the rise of the right wing which often has not very well disguised racist element to it. but in some places, that right wing is supportive, not only of israel but even of what we're seeing now as the rise of jewish extremism in europe. the jewish defense league which
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was bad in israel, banned in the united states is alive and well in france and was directly involved in the clashes where two synagogues wound up supposedly being attacked but it was a much more complicated picture than that. the same time in holland, in the nethserlands, you have people that are rabidly anti-muslim but very much pro-israel. it gets to be a complicated situation. but the bottom line is if you are jewish and living in europe right now, you are likely to feel threatened in a way that you did not feel threatened before. and that is very bad news. >> you add to this debate that there's also this pro-israel movement, including more violent elements within that that's fighting back and that that leads to all sorts of complications. both you and martin mentioned the difficulty in separating the anti-semitism from the valid criticism of israel and the anti-zionist protests. there are different elements of this conversation. a lot of people sorting this out online.
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an anonymous tumbler post "how to criticize israel without being anti-semitic." is there room to criticize israel's military operation without facing those arge char anti-semitism? >> can you criticize israel's military actions and a lot of its policies without being anti-semitic? yes. can you do it without having some people accuse you of anti-semitism? no, you can't. that's one of the complicating factors here. it is true you have really anti-semites who say they are anti-zi anti-zionist. it goes way back in europe. >> a complex conversation and an ugly situation out there. only wish we had more time. martin fletcher, chris dickey, appreciate that. when we come back today, a video that has gone viral. and it's frightening and a little disturbing. they call this man nascar's
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a tragedy on the short track and a lot of questions as to why this happened. began with nascar racer tony stewart's car collided with fellow racer kevin ward jr.'s. ward got out of his car and walked on the track. you see him there. then he was hit by stewart's back wheel. we're not going to show you that moment, the impact. it's too disturbing for tv. it's raising a lot of questions, though, about exactly where accountability should lie. stewart has said, there aren't words to describe the sadness i feel about the accident that took the life of kevin ward jr. the sheriff says there's no evidence of criminal intent, but there are a lot of people
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asking, who is tony stewart, and what exactly happened saturday night? mike guy is a "maxim" editor. you wrote a great 2008 profile on stewart for "rolling stone." it's entitled "where there's smoke: up close with tony stewart, nascar's nastiest driver." i want to get to your piece in a second. first of all, give us a sense. this kind of flare-up of tempers, you know, regardless of tony's actions, kevin ward jr. walking on to the track, is it common for racers to confront each other like that in this sport? >> in nascar, yeah. i can't speak to short track racing so much. it's very tense. it's a signature tony stewart move in the history of his time in nascar. he has gotten out of his car a few times and thrown a helmet, thrown gloves. it's sort of something he's
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identified with. >> you talk about this in your profile back in 2008. you say, over the years, he has thrown his gloves at kenny irwin, had a shouting match with robbby gordon, been accused of assaulting a fan in bristol, tennessee, kicked a reporter's tape recorder, punched a photographer. your list goes on. has his temper mellowed over the years? >> i can only assume it has. he's now a team owner rather than just a driver. the time i spent with him -- i spent about a month on the road with him. he has an extraordinary temper. it's sort of something he's very known for. however, tony is like two guys. on track, in the sort of circus of nascar, he's a very heated guy. he's like -- and people like that about him. he doesn't hold back. he's not sort of a pawn of sponsors because the whole sport is based upon sponsorship money. in private, tony's a very
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generous guy. people really dig him. he's got a lot of friends in the business, with other racers. but yeah, he's got a temper. he's got a very, very famous temper. it's a temper that you have seen on tv. >> and we want to be careful not to indict him here, obviously. they are investigating the circumstances right now. no evidence of foul play. but we are obviously raising a lot of questions around the country now based partly on that temper. when you see that footage of those several cars before him swerving bay, leaving kevin ward jr. unharmed and then his car obviously tragically hitting him, what does that look like to you? >> it looks like a kid who should never have gotten out of his race car. i mean, it's rule number one on a race track. don't get out of the car unless it's on fire. if you do, you better not walk into the traffic. walk away from the traffic. i think kevin lost his temper. i have no idea what tony was thinking. i have in idea what happened with tony. i don't know if he hit the
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throttle or not. i'm not going to speculate on that. i don't think -- i think anybody who says tony intentionally killed this kid is completely out of their minds. i've been reading the twitter verse, looking around. there's a growing chorus of people saying that because he had like the ultimate road rage after this. i think that's absolutely preposterous. but tony's got a temper. he's a real racer. nascar is built on high tension, you know -- >> and whatever unfolded there with tensions on the track, it happened in mere seconds. it's going to be difficult to sort out. mike guy, appreciate that. >> thank you. that wraps things up for today "rf daily." time for "the reid report" up next with my colleague joy reid. don't go away. if i can impart one lesson to a
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>> what do we want? >> justice! >> when do we want it? >> now! >> he was running this way. >> an unarmed teenager killed my a police officer. >> no justice, no peace! >> 18-year-old michael brown. >> he turns his body towards this way, hands in the air. >> you're not god. you don't decide when you're going to take somebody. that was mine. that belonged to me. then new developments in the dual humanitarian mission in iraq. plus, the power struggle in baghdad that could complicate the fight against isis. first, tensions are still simmering in ferguson, missouri, after saturday's fatal police shooting of unarmed teenager michael brown. today, protesters in the st. louis suburb faced off with police in riot gear for a second day. angry residents fanned out behind police barricades chanting "no justice, no peace" and demanding to know why an unidentified police
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