whatever you want to call these guys. >> they are more powerful than al qaeda was on 9/11. >> they are coming here, it is not about baghdad. >> we can take nothing off the table. >> this commander in chief has no strategy. >> there is no policy. >> so therefore there's no strategy, so therefore things are going very, very badly. >> they are coming here. >> we begin tonight with breaking news, we're currently awaiting for president obama to make a statement on iraq. when the president comes out, we'll bring you his remarks live. first, here's what's going on in iraq. war planes and drones bomb multiple isis targets in four different air strikes near her erbil destroying three isis vehicles in a mortar position. the air campaign is credited with helping kurdish forces reclaim two strategically important towns near erbil.

the officials say the recapture of towns has turned the tide in the battle against isis. earlier today the obama administration said the united states would also be providing arms to the kurds and situation seems to be improving to the west of erbil. roughly 40,000 ethnic minorities had been trapped atop sinjar mountain by isis forces. they were rescued and taken to an area in kurdish control. it's estimated tens and thousands of people are still trapped on the mountain. there's no doubt in the u.s. that the air campaign is affecting the situation on the ground in iraq. president obama made clear there is no end date for the strikes as of now. but the president did say iraq needs to defend itself in the long run. >> i don't want to get in the business of being the iraqi air force. i don't want to get in the business for that matter even being the kurdish air force. in the absence of a commitment

to people on the ground to get their act together and do what's necessary politically to start protecting themselves and push back. >> republicans have a slightly different point of view. senator lindsey graham said we need to hit isis in syria and iraq or face a terrorist attack in the united states. >> do you want to let america be attacked? you're having people on the ground slaughtering christians. they have four goals to make every muslim bend to their will and drive us out and eventually destroy israel. here's my statement to the president, mr. president, your own people are telling you that we face an attack from this region. your game plan, the actions you're taking cannot protect us. there's no substitute for america being involved in terms of eradicating isis. if we don't hit them in syria, you'll never solve the problem in iraq. >> that's typical fear

mongerring from lindsey gram. he said the air strikes have been completely ineffective. >> this is turn being into as we predicted for a long time, a regional conflict and launching three strikes around a place where horrible humanitarian crisis is taking place. meanwhile, isis continues to make gains everywhere. yes, it's clearly a very, very ineffective, to say the least. >> senator mccain went on to layout his plan for the crisis in iraq. >> i would be rushing equipment to ber bill and launching air strikes not only in iraq but in syria against isis. they have erased the boundaries. i would be providing as much training and equipment as i can to -- as i said to the kurds and do a lot of things that we

cannot have to wait for maliki to leave. and i would be giving assistance to the syrian free syrian army which is on the ropes right now because we failed to help them and this all goes back to a number of steps the president took, including a failure to lead a residual force in iraq. >> there are clearly two very different points of view for solving the crisis in iraq. the republican view, bomb away and get involved with the civil war in syria, the democratic view, limited air strikes with the iraqi government eventually taking over the fight. get your cell phones out. tonight's question, are you happy john mccain never became president? text a for yes and b for no. go to our blog at ed.msnbc.com. let me bring in former navy admiral and former congressman joe sestak. john mccain says these air

strikes have been ineffective. i don't see how that could be a conclusion he could reasonably draw. what's your response? the people on the ground, s kurds themselves and refugees all credited the strikes. we have an aircraft carrier out there that is going to continue to do strikes in order to stop isis' advance. in the meantime, we are provide being arms to the kurds. cia already began to do that and not a question in my mind we'll get sufficient armed forces, not our men and women to the iraqi government. it is it theirs to own. military can stop a problem, michael, but we can't fix a problem. if we're going to fix this problem, we have to make sure the kurds and sunnis and shia own it. that's why the president is also working on a political resolution. removing maliki, having someone come in who's a shia but inclusive of the sunni tribes, that they won't want the sunni

isis terrorist embedded with them. this is pretty delicate situation. i think we're doing it right for right now. >> speaking of delicacy, obviously if you go on their ram shackle and upset the entire eco system there of politics and the military, what you end up doing is creating dependency so america has to step back in in order for it to continue or end up alienating everybody there. republicans want to start bombing igsis in syria. do you think that's a good idea? >> i do think that the united states has a goal here, not just of having good governance in baghdad, but we don't want over time to have isis to have significant swaths of territory in iraq that it owns. that's not good for us. michael, you already saw the reports that there are terrorist groups leaving al qaeda and coming into iraq because they think they might have a safe haven. eventually, with artillery from the sky and aircraft, not our men and women on the ground, we

might have pinpoint strikes at certain places maybe even into syria, the ungoverned places where they have logistics that might come into the fight. at the end of the day, we have two major objectives, one, we want to make sure that isis doesn't impact our own embassy and others there. and second, we want to make sure the allies we have in surrounding places and kurds and others, don't permit a safe haven in iraq that the terrorist group over the long time can plan against the united states of america. >> do you see there being any room for bipartisan cooperation between the democrats and republicans around this attack because so far you've got the president on one side and john mccain scoring political points but not giving strategic intervention that makes sense in terms of america's objectives there. is there a potential cooperation between the two? >> there isn't a military manor woman that i ever served with that doesn't yearn for the day for the 50s and 60s and 70s

where partisanship stopped at the shorelines of america. john mccain, i have great respect for this man, a prisoner of war, something i couldn't have done. at the end of the day the president should go in and begin to kind of have an ok coral with our military, this isn't the military of vietnam. this is a different military, high tech. lots of intelligence, drones and we can do a lot -- >> i'll have to interrupt you right there, we have the president of united states. we'll go to him at martha's vineyard. >> prevent terrorist forces from erbil. forces on the ground continue to defend their city and we stepped up military advice and assistance to iraqi and kurdish forces as they wage the fight against isil. we continued our daily humanitarian effortses to

provide life-saving and provide disaster response team to help. some began to escape their per much on the mountain and working with international partners to bring them to safety. i want to thank in particular the united kingdom, france and other countries working with us to provide much needed assistance to the iraqi people. and meanwhile, our aircraft remain positioned to strike any forces around the mountain that threaten the safety of these families. this advances the limited military objectives we've outlined in iraq, protecting american citizens, providing advice and assistance to iraqi forces as they battle these terrorists and joining with international partners to provide humanitarian aid. but, as i said when i authorized these operations, there is no american military solution to the larger crisis in iraq. the only lasting solution is for

iraqis to come together and form an inclusive government that represents the legitimate interest of all iraqis and can unify the country's fight against isil. today iraq took a promising step forward in this critical effort. last month the iraqi people named a new president. today president mau sooum named dr. haider al abadi. this is an important step towards forming a new government that can unite iraq he is different communities. earlier today vice president biden and i called abadi to congratulate him and urge him to form a new cabinet as soon as possible, one that represents all iraqis. i pledged our spofrt to him as well as to speaker as they work together to form this

government. i urge all iraqi political leaders to work peacefully through the political process in the days ahead. this new leadership has to regain the confidence of its sit zins by governing inclusively and taking steps to demonstrate its resolve. the united states stand ready to support a government that addresses the needs and grievances of all iraqi people. we're also ready to work with other countries in the region to deal with the humanitarian crisis and counterterrorism challenge in iraq. mobilizing that support will be easier once this new government is in place. these have been difficult days in iraq. a country that faced so many challenges in its recent history. i'm sure there will be difficult days ahead. but just as the united states will remain vigilant against the threat posed to our people by isil, we stand ready to partner with iraq in the fight against these terrorist forces. without question, that effort will be advanced if iraqis continue to build on today's

progress and come together to support a new and inclusive government. thanks, everybody. >> we just heard from the president of the united states of america. we're going to go back to former congressman sestak and patrick murphy. give us an estimate -- a sengs sense of what you heard here. let's bring in patrick first the president saying we're going to protect citizens, our objective and provide advice then join international partners. but this is not an american enterprise has to be an iraqi enterprise, we join an intel national contingent to fight terrorism there. does is this suggest there's an imminent end to the hostilities that have been engaged there in iraq? and two, does it mean they have genuine international commitment to join the united states of america to combat these so-called terrorist forces? >> sure, thanks, michael, great

to be on with you and the admiral. the second question first, that international support is really for the humanitarian aid in mountains of sinjar. that's where the humanitarian effort is being held. the offensive operations against isis is going to be weeks if not months because they have such a strong hold right now in that area. but i will tell you, michael, what's going on there, because there's a clear and present danger to american personnel, military advisers and at that state department, that consulate there, in erbil. but what is the president's message and real takeaway is, the fact we finally have a potential political solution in iraq. the shia, which maliki is part of, that coalition has now turned their back basically on maliki the prime minister and putting forth a new leader that will government all iraqis. the political solution is really the long term solution to this

problem within iraq. that is great news. >> well, look, with maliki in charge, can the iraqi government realistically take over the fight? obama wants this to be the predicate for american participation. but how realistic is that? >> with maliki in charge? no, nothing could have been done. i remember going over to iraq with now secretary of defense hagel when he was ai senator, just the two of us with translators in the room with prime minister maliki. this was years ago. and i listened to senator hagel push and push and push him so that a 15-minute meeting went to an hour and a half saying you have to include the sunnis and they've got to become part of the government. the man did nothing but literally finger his worry beads and nothing has changed. we know you have to be inclusive to get something done. patrick knows this, he was on the ground there. so my take is this is a good

political move because we need the sunnis where all of the isis are embedded in their towns, not to side with them if we aren't to have a safe haven for isis there. there is an absolute necessary step the president helped create. >> the admiral cited your participation there and val yant service in iraq. how effective will the air strikes be? will it eventually lead to a necessity foreground strikes or do you think the air strikes will be effective? >> they are effective in a sense it will stop just like there's a threat where there's air strikes against isis so they didn't go into baghdad months ago and they didn't. now they are standing in place, not trying to go into erbil which would be devastating. they already got a hold of the two major dams in iraq, not good news. by us doing those air strikes it stopped them in their tracks so our personnel in erbil, our

american personnel that are there, are not in artillery range, not in clear and present danger. i would argue with you, yeah, you have people like senator graham who say they are going to come here and america, there's clear and present danger against america. that is fear mongering and disagree wholeheartedly. that is not accurate. they are a dangerous terrorist organization but that doesn't mean we go into a religious civil war and put boots on the ground. i believe admiral sestak and i are in agreement with that. >> i've got to ask you this, admiral already indicated the fact that he longed nostalgically for the day even into the early '90s where we allow the commander in chief to exercise his responsibilities without the kind of nay bobs of negati

negativity. do you think in this case the partisan bitterness and bickering will be put aside long enough to come up with a reasonable plan against iraq? >> i've already told you, yes, i wish bipartisanship would stop at the shoreline. i don't think it's going to stop. again, you have john mccain, who i said i have great respect for, but if he is going to actually articulate a plan for, is he aware we only have an aircraft carrier there and aware that the countries where our air forces are based in the middle east have to give permission to fly from the bases and kuwait is the country that funded the beginning of isis. we're going to have to make sure politically we can do certain things. i'm sure all of this is in the works so if we have to go to another option, we can. the bottom line is this, we can do this and should do it without any boots on the ground. this is one where we want the kurds and iraqis to own the outcome.

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>> joining me now is bob shrum, professor of politics at usc and democratic strategy. bob, what's your take on hillary's foreign policy strategy? >> well, first of all i don't think it's entirely a strategy in the sense that she said this about syria in her book. i think there's a very good case to be made that she was right and we should have armed these folks sooner. we're arming some of them now and as you reported earlier, the president is stepping up what we're doing in iraq. i think we'll do even more as time goes on assuming the iraqi government gets its act straightened unite. hillary clinton can't and shouldn't be a carbon copy of barack obama. in 2000 when al gore was vice president, he openly disagreed with president clinton when the president decided to end elyam gonzalez back to cuba. in 1988, george h.w. bush sent a powerful signal he wasn't going

to do what ronald reagan had done when he said in his acceptance speech, read my lips, no new taxes. hillary clinton is not going to repudiate obama but is going to offer her own vision. >> there's a critical difference here, right? had hillary clinton not voted for the war in iraq, some of the problems that obama has inherited from george bush might not have existed. she has a direct relationship to the policies she's now, if you will, throwing in on. the question is to what agree is she ready to take responsibility, some would argue on her behalf to say i created the mess in the first place that the president had to respond to. it seems a bit more balance in that regard. >> she has said that the vote on iraq that she cast was a mistake. if she had said it sooner in 2008, i think she might very well have been the nominee that year. but the larger point for her is she has to go out there and talk about the future. she has to set out a vision

where she would lead the country. you're going to see a lot of democrats, not going to expect her to simply do whatever obama does or agree with him on everything. there's too much at stake, whether it's the supreme court not intervening overseas where we don't have a reasonable prospect of success and think of john mccain, who one of tweeters said should change his name to john mcwar. there are very big michigan tmi going to face. and she's been honest about, it's in the book. she agreed in the book about syria. >> no question about that. clinton's hawkish record cost her in 2008 but americans aren't happy with the way the president handled foreign policy either. do you think democrats are ready for a more forceful leader? if so, what will that look like? >> i think barack obama has gotten a bad rap because

achieved a lot overseas. they said he was all speech, no substance. he's been a lot of substance and somehow the speech has moved people or gotten people to the point of understanding what he's done. so i think this is a president who is done a lot but not gotten a lot of credit. like harry truman, he'll probably get that credit in history. hillary clinton has to look to the future and what she's going to say. i don't think it's about democrats being ready for a more hawkish leader. the president probably shouldn't said don't do stup stuff as the outline for the policy. that's a justifiable reaction to bush, it's a premise not the principle. the real doctrine is, don't intervene militarily unless you have to and don't have to put troops on the ground and unless you have a reasonable prospect of success. i think the democratic party in general and americans for the most part agree with that doctrine. >> right, bob shrum.

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unarmed black teenager, was fatally shot by police over the weekend. >> there was a struggle over the officer's weapon. there was at least one shot fired within the car. >> he's running this way and turns his body towards this way. hands in the air, he gets shot in the face and chest. >> there should be no violence coming from that. don't allow it to happen. >> you're not god. you don't decide when you're going to take somebody. >> michael brown was killed by police saturday afternoon. investigators have given very few details about what happened when an officer encountered brown and companion on the street. sunday night protests erupted into riots on the streets of ferguson and dozens of police officers from st. louis and surrounding areas rushed in as angry mobs lit fires and looted local businesses. tried to push through barricade. st. louis county police say overnight, 32 people were

arrested and one store was nearly burned to the ground. some 300 officers responded and two officers suffered minor injuries. but of course, the young man lost his life. civic leaders are calling for promised justice as the investigation into brown's death continues and police gave a news conference earlier today. >> we need to make sure this investigation is done right and we get one chance to do it. there are scores and scores of people we need to talk to at the apartment complex where this happened. there are several witnesses that we needed to talk to and frankly we're still waiting to talk to some folks that we believe have information that will lend itself to this investigation. there has been no rush to judgment on this case either. i would like to tell everybody the police department does nothing but gather facts and circumstances and present those to a neutral authority, in this case the prosecuting attorney. or the federal government or both. and in that point a decision is

made and it goes in front of a jury and a judge. so we make no recommendation on these -- >> brown's killing immediately drew comparisons by some to the death of florida teen trayvon martin fatally shot by a neighborhood watch member and sparked debate about race relations and by consequence dense benjamin crump is now representing the family of michael brown. joining me now is dr. james peter soon, msnbc contributor and associate professor at lehigh university and president of the board of alderman in st. louis, missouri. professor peterson, what can be done to change the relationship between black people and the police which seems to be at around all-time low in terms of festering conflicts and hostilities? >> number one, the police can stop unjustably killing young

people, girls and boys of color and stop harassing the people wrn our community and reform the criminal justice system that's ram pant with bias and institutional racism. and they can work as partners in communities to protect and serve. i think those are the -- at least the starting points from which we can even have a conversation to repair the relationship. when you look at this historically, there may be ir rep perable damage here, the broader community of americans is skeptical about what the police are saying about this particular incident because we know the stories of oscar grant and all of these other folks. this case is distinct from the zimmerman case in the sense that the responsibility and accountability of law enforcement as a social institution and representing the government for which we pay taxes and pay their salaries, their level of responsibility and accountability in these kind of situations is a bit higher

than the individual crazy vigilanty in the street. the expectation should be higher and the excepticism. >> you're right there on the ground. in light of what was indicated, that that back drop is critical there. we know there are huge racial disparities in a heavily segregated city like st. louis and suburbs. we know there's vast racial segregation and disparity in terms of resources people have available to them. there are very few details about saturday's incident. should people be this upset about this particular case? some people say we're note going to rush to judgment. do you think it's right to be upset before the investigation of course is completed? >> you know, michael, it's -- i think it's unrealistic to have -- to tell people not to be upset about this case that's pending now. when you look at just some of the early facts we have in the

case, we have either one or two things happen, either the boy had his hands up and you know, he was shot, or he was running away and he was shot the community at large, we need to harness this energy and begin to address the much broader issues that cause this thing -- that cause it to escalate to this level. >> like what? for example, we need to begin the work like dr. peterson talked about a minute ago on ways to bring the police department and the african-american community together. i think we need to do some things to establish better relationships between two. i think when you look at the fact that there are a lot of people say, we pay your salary, you are part of the government and we expect a certain basic service.

we expect to be treated as well as anyone else as being treated. and right now it is just -- the community at large doesn't seem to have that confidence. but i don't think that that's justin did tif of this city, i think we see that throughout cities all across america. >> that's right. >> sure. >> but we could begin to address those things by beginning to do it very deliberately. i don't think it's going to happen on its own. we have to begin -- some programs deliberately. >> dr. peterson, attorney general eric holder has instructed attorneys in civil rights division to monitor events relative to the incident. what does it tell you about the gravity of this situation? >> it tells you that attorney general holder understands the sort of systemic problems that we're facing with the confrontations between our criminal justice system and communities and citizens they

are charged with protecting and serving and we have to have federal oversight here. the reality is the xskepticism about the police department story here and skepticism is likely shared at the federal law, you have the fbi involved -- >> i hate to cut you off. benjamin is addressing a press conference in st. louis. let's toss to him to see what he's saying then come back to you. >> expect that to drop their son off at technical college and celebrate his future, he had graduated and he was doing the right things, and they were going to drop him off this day. and instead of celebrating his future, they are having to plan his funeral and talk to attorney

gray and i about second autopsies. and why? and why are we here again, president brooks, seeing the senseless death of a young boy of color at the hands of people who are supposed to protect and serve them? his mother, father have said so eloquently and with dignity that it's not about us just getting angry, it's about us getting justice for michael brown. [ applause ] you know, last summer around this time america's heart was broken when the case of trayvon martin was concluded and this is

just a start with memory that we have a long way to go to get equal justice for our children. i mean, our children don't they deserve the dignity and respect of the law enforcement when they see them walking down the street doing nothing wrong? to treat them like young people and the law enforcement adults to be the adults. not to argue and chas ties and bully our children. to have things escalate that would see in broad daylight, president brooks, president pruitt, this is what is so riveting, am broad daylight he

had his t-shirt and shorts and his sandals, just walking with his friend, minding his business. and in broad daylight where it is clear he has no weapon, that -- >> you've been listening to benjamin crump, the newly hired attorney for the family of michael brown. how many more times will we see a woman whose beautiful face is stained by tears, a father standing stoically in the aftermath of the death of their son? an attorney calling for equal justice in its application, he said instead of preparing for his future as they should have been, they are now preparing for his funeral. then when the police are called in to protects and serve, how can they protect and serve us as african-american and other people in in country then finally, that the police should not be there to chastize and brutalize and bully young people

but there to be adults. dr. peterson and alderman lewis, what do you make of that? >> unfortunately there's no indication whatsoever that this pattern, which between the police and these crazy sort of vigilantes empowered by stand your ground laws, another 28 hours or so, another so-called justify fibl homicides is occurring, there's no indication it's going to come to an end any time in the near future. this is why i love attorney crump, he is exceptional at channelling the empathy required from the folk in these kind of situations. people talk about his accent and vernacular, but he's speaking in a way the community can feel it and does it slowly and deliberately in a way that people can understand it and pain can be expressed from the flat form which he speaks. there doesn't seem to be an end in sight. you have an institution, criminal justice system and police, who essentially do not see black and brown people as

full human beings. they do not afford them the rights of full human beings and all of the interactions are colored unfortunately by the inability or incapacity for them to see, see young people of color as human beings. >> that's a great point. and to speak to benjamin crump, a highly intelligent and insightful man. >> be in the street for four hours and leave a human being in the street for four hours if you were an officer of the law? >> great point. alderman lewis, dr. peterson's argument, the inability to see black or brown kids or poor kids as human beings and as a result they are n they are not extended the fundamental basis we use to treat other kids, that is treat them with respect and dignity, don't assault them or shoot them, if they are doing something wrong, tap them on the back of the hands, let me take you to your parents as opposed to gun them down in the streets? >> michael, here's -- you know,

and then -- when you think about this issue, right, and the way african-americans especially our teens are being st. louis, but america, media plays a major role in the perception that people have of these kids when they approach them. if every time you see an african-american child on tv, if he's involved in crime or whatever, then you naturally begin to have that perception. i think everybody has a role to play in turning this thing around. the other thing is when we think about the reresources that need to be available within the communities, everything from jobs to summer programs and all these things, all of this stuff plays a role in the ultimate development of that child, also. >> let me interrupt you there. >> we have to hold them accountable. >> they have to be safe long

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we go live now to the family of michael brown speaking at the press conference. >> -- any situation, it wasn't nothing he couldn't solve to bring people back together.

he's a good boy. he didn't deserve none of this. none of it. we need justice for our son. >> yes, yes. >> we need justice for our son. >> yes! [ applause ] >> i want justice for my son. >> michael brown, the young man who was murdered or killed in st. louis by the policeman whose name has not been released and whose identity is not yet public. dr. peterson and alderman lewis, when we see the family standing there mournful, in grief, trying to articulate the agony they feel in the face of their son's death and the state itself through the police is the cause of their grief. how do we reconcile the promises of american democracy as reverend dyson reminds us are police people looking at these

young black and brown men and women or on the other hand, can the state be relied upon to intervene in a helpful way to prevent something like this occurring the future? dr. peterson, then mr. lewis. >> again, we don't see any reconciliation. we can look at systems. we can look historically at the structures that inform the particular moment that we are in. for these families, my heart goes out to the families and communities, to our communities. because there aren't any answers to this kind of senseless death. think about the extraordinary irony with the mom speaking eloquently about the fact she did everything right. her son never got into a fight. do you know what it takes to get a young man to graduate from high school? he's days away from going to college. to be confronteded with this kind of violence. make no mistake about it. this is indicative of structural institutional racism.

it's less about this individual cop and more about the institutions that refuse to -- when those things come together, they come together quite a bit we are faced with this kind of lost and abject sense of negatively and cynicism about the american project. there is no reconciliation for this family. at the end of the day they have to pick up the pieces and move on. there is nothing that will bring back their son. >> alderman lewis? >> dr. peterson said it as best you could. you know, as a father for -- you know, i have been thinking since this incident happened, you know, how would you really feel inside if that happened to your child? there is no words that can explain or capture the true hurt and despair and grief you would feel. there really isn't any reconciliation when you think about it. you know, we have to make sure

all of the -- that we have -- >> let's bring in now to listen to the mother as she speaks. >> he didn't deserve it. my son -- >> why shouldn't she be speechless? in the face of this okanagan niezing, grievous situation it's unutterable the force of hurt and pain she experiences? how do we then taukt about this? the police aren't away. they will be there. how do we talk about getting toward a time, a moment when justice prevails where equal distribution of justice is there and the police respect us as human beings. what do we have to do? >> we have to get to the basic core which is training officers of the law to respect basic human rights. we have to understand the

systemic and structural nature of this. we are so quick to talk about genocide and atrocities around the world. we have an ongoing atrocity in the united states that's been going on for way too long. nothing tells us we are paying attention that these things seem to be coming up more often. we have to begin with the basics, doc. human rights, training, making sure the officers of the law are accountable to the rules with which we have charged them. making sure officers of the law, if you represent the state and institutions, you represent the communities that you're supposed to protect and serve. too often, officers of the law aren't understanding the high bar of accountability and responsibility they are charged with in terms of serving the community. we are seeing too many outrageous instances of violence, too many families ripped apart and young lives lost. >> okay. james peterson, louis reed, thank you for your eloquence

tonight. coming up on "politics nation" the reverendle al sharpton will speak to the mother of michael brown, the young man shot by police over the weekend. i'm michael eric dyson for ed schultz. "politics nation" starts now. good evening. >> good evening. thanks to you for tuning in. the family and lawyers for michael brown are speaking now about the tragic shooting death this weekend. let's listen in. >> happening over and over again. people are getting no sense of justice. to the point where it's just boiling over. we have to have our leaders all of this. restore confidence for all people in america. not just some americans but all americans. need to have confidence that if it happens, you will get equal justice. there are some people who don't believe it. that's what we are dealing with here