tonight. coming up on "politics nation" the reverendle al sharpton will speak to the mother of michael brown, the young man shot by police over the weekend. i'm michael eric dyson for ed schultz. "politics nation" starts now. good evening. >> good evening. thanks to you for tuning in. the family and lawyers for michael brown are speaking now about the tragic shooting death this weekend. let's listen in. >> happening over and over again. people are getting no sense of justice. to the point where it's just boiling over. we have to have our leaders all of this. restore confidence for all people in america. not just some americans but all americans. need to have confidence that if it happens, you will get equal justice. there are some people who don't believe it. that's what we are dealing with here in st. louis.

>> the question about was your son worried about the police? >> okay. thank you. >> the family, the mother and grandfather and attorney ben krum will be joining us exclusively any moment. let me go to you, jim cavanaugh, first that i can ask you, as one who has seen a lot and jim cavanaugh for our regular listeners know, but for new viewers is an msnbc law enforcement analyst. jim cavanaugh, tell us what you will feel is the next steps on

this case. what will happen in terms of the fbi investigating and in terms of how that works with local authorities. >> right, reverend al. what the fbi will do is parallel or monitor the case as it is conducted by the st. louis county police homicide bureau. i have a lot of faith in that homicide bureau. they're a good force. they will get the facts down on paper to the prosecutor. i think they will do it right. >> the distrust -- and i have been involved in a lot of these cases down through the years. involved in many now as head of national action network. the mistrust of local authorities is basically because a lot of the local prosecutors and local police have to work hand in hand. families wonder whether or not a prosecutor is as aggressive as

the outside federal authorities would be. how have you been able to experience hearing from the law enforcement side whether or not that's something that they understand, resent or something you even feel is credible. >> it's a great point. in the civil rights era i did work in alabama. i was the agent in charge of birmingham. mississip mississippi, tennessee. i saw the aftermath of the civil rights era. i remember when there was 5500 night riding clansmen. i remember how they permeated the police and how people were afraid they wouldn't get justice. what we are seeing now, reverend al from trayvon martin on is people are seeing no action. no action in these cases. prosecutorial action. in the trayvon martin case i would have bagged and tagged the

shooter that night. the detective wanted to arrest him that night. you would have seen a different response from people. now we have cases in new york. we have this tragedy here from michael brown. prosecutors have to step up, too. that case in bedford stiveson, an officer stomps a man he was arresting on the head. if a citizen did it, i would arrest the citizen. >> you deal with that case, the cops didn't stop the cop that stomped him. let me show you. here's what one eyewitness said about it. >> i want to know if the police chase after the guy. he ranner for his life.

they shot him. he fell. he put his arms up to let them know he was compliant and unarmed. they shot him twice more. >> this was saturday, the killing of michael brown. 18-year-old unarmed young man in ferguson, missouri. they have been protesting since it turned violent last night. we are talking about -- we are waiting to have an exclusive with the family, the mother. grandfather and attorney ben krum will be joining us momentarily. let me go back to you, james cavanaugh. she said -- the eyewitness said he put his arms up. he was compliant. are witnesses accounts like these now a major part of the investigation? >> absolutely. that's a major part of the investigation. all the witnesses and forensics. the bullets, number of shots

from where they were fired. all the details will get into the facts in the homicide bureau and the fbi will look at it, the use attorney and the district attorney and make a decision. look, we have a name in the criminal justice system for shooting a man standing there with no weapon in his hands up. it's called murder. if those facts hold like the young woman said and if the forensics match, that's a crime. murder is a crime in the united states. it doesn't matter who commits it. whether it's the police or not. >> how will the fbi proceed? how will they go about their investigation? you see people standing up. it seems the symbol now is holding up the hands which is really making the point you're making. if that holds as evidence that's murder. >> nobody will change the facts in the case. the police homicide detectives and the fbi agents here would gather the facts. nobody would change the facts.

as churchill said, the facts are stubborn things. organizations like the naacp, the national action network, the southern christian leadership conference and the people of ferguson are going to ensure this is in daylight. i have no doubt that the fact wills are come out. it will are get to the desk of a prosecutor. i hope without unnecessary delay. the problem in these cases, if you look back at them in the recent cases is tlg there is too much delay before there is a prosecutorial decision on whether it is a good shoot, a bad shoot and whether the prosecution should move forward. people say there is no justice. you feel like there is no justice. this is important to every single american. if a crime occurs we want the prosecutor to do something. if the crime didn't occur, step up and explain it. >> a lot of groups are forced to expedite without saying too far

or too fast where you don't weigh the evidence. they want to see a prosecution say whether there is valid or not. whether it ends up good or bad, pro or con. time works against really trying to get to the bottom of what's happened. saying to the public they can have confidence that things are happening in a way that's speedy and fair. i think you said it well, james. i think that's all people want. in many cases we have no idea what the evidence is going to lead to. but we want to make sure that the evidence leads to something that's fair for both the accused and the victim. >> trayvon martin's parents were a tremendous example of that. >> no doubt. >> the dignity they exhibited all throughout the thing. all they asked for is what every american wants -- justice, fairness. they didn't ask for revenge. they didn't want violence. they conducted themselves just

like this family in ferguson, missouri. all americans need this. we all need to see justice done. i would say we need the facts gathered certainly. we don't want to rush to judgment against our police officers. we are all behind the police officers. even the civil rights groups are behind the police officers. we want to have good police. we don't need bully police. we don't need police murdering our citizens. we don't need interactions with police that start over nothing. you know, one report i saw in the news where the officer told the young man to get off the sidewalk and cursed at him. well, that's not a professional police interaction at all. >> those are the kinds of things we have to deal with. believe me, we will. james cavanaugh, thank you for your time. we'll be right back with a live interview with michael brown's family. first interview that they are doing. stay with us.

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when investigators say an altercation occurred with the officer. they say brown pushed the officer into his police car and there was a struggle for the officer's gun. the officer allegedly got out of the car and shot michael about 35 feet from the vehicle. witnesses said his body was on the street for some time. the officer who pulled the trigger hasn't been publically identified. he's on paid leave. here is what we are learning today. the fbi has officially opened an investigation into the shooting. looking, they say, for a potential civil rights violation. moments ago we heard from attorney general eric holder who says attorneys from the justice department will work with fbi agents and he'll receive regular updates. after some protesters turned violent last night, michael

brown's family is calling for justice and peace. that's what we need now. you cannot be against alleged reckless violence and then use reckless violence yourself. a family is grieving and a heart-broken mother is searching for answers. >> his mother leslie mcspadden said her son was a good kid looking forward to going to college next week. >> he didn't botherer nobody. my son just turned 18 and granule waited high school. he didn't bother nobody. >> reporter: she said her son didn't deserve to die. >> you don't decide when to take somebody. that was mine. that belonged to me. >> joining me now are les mcspadden, leslie, his mother, and the family's attorney benjamin krump. first of all, you have our condolences. how are you doing? nightmare.

>> how you doing? >> something wrong with her audio. >> i'm good. my son's spirit is holding me up. >> i can hear her. let me ask her what is it that she wants to say to the nation. i heard her say that her son was to go to college today. she wanted to see this as the day to beginning the rest of his life. during her first interview, what is she wanting the nation to hear from her? she's called for nonviolence and peace but she's also called for justice. as his mother, what do you want to say to the nation? >> what do you and mr. brown want to say to the nation who is

watching you about your son? >> we want to say that my son was special. he was special. he was a first for many, the first of a child. a first grandchild, first nephew. he was basically born a king. >> born a king. >> we should all be celebrating my son's graduation and going on to college. we're planning a funeral. >> what does she want people around the country and what is she calling on the community to do? >> what are you calling on the people to do around the country after what happened last night? >> and the community. >> that was total chaos. we are not for the violence. it needs to stop. the support is all needed. all needed, but not the violence.

it doesn't help any. >> let me ask the grandfather. then to attorney krump. your message. i spoke with you and you seemed determined to have justice, but to preserve the name and legacy and character of your grandson. what do you have to say to people watching around the country as you grieve for the loss of your grandson on the day he would have been going to jail -- going to college, i'm sorry. not jail. >> reverend sharp ton, my grandson was a good kid. you know, it's a shame that niece black kids here in st. louis and i'm sure around the world, they might as well walk around with a target on their back. it just ain't no justice. that's why i requested you and mr. valdez, too, to come to st.

louis to help us get through this. this shouldn't happen. this is america. >> i am going to come in there late tonight and see if we can help to get a fair investigation. they tell me, mr. mcspadden, he had his hands in the air. what is it that you understand what happened to your grandson? >> i understand that my grandson was shot. i was under the impression -- there are a lot of conflicting stories because the police here won't tell you nothing. it's my understanding he was shot eight times. after he was shot twice, he went down to his knees and held his hands up in the air. the officer continued shooting. that makes it an execution. how could you kill somebody and then get paid administrative

leave? if they're paying him, they are saying it's okay to kill somebody and we'll pay you. >> attorney krump, we have heard from the family for the first time. they brought you in. what is it that you would like to see and i know you have called for nonviolence. i know you have called for the justice department. the fbi is doing a preliminary investigation. what is your message to the country? >> reverend al, this family especially ms. lesley mcspadden and his father michael brown, sr. they only want simple justice. if your child was executed in broad daylight and many witnesses say he had his hands up and the police continued to shoot, they demand justice. that's why people are so outraged. they say yet again how many

times do we have to go through this. attorney anthony gray, my co-counsel and shaid and all of them talk about the pattern that exists in st. louis of young boys of color continuing to be taken from us and nobody held accountable. well, this is where we will stand up and say no more. that's why we are here with this family. >> what is your understanding, attorney krump, that happened? >> as far as we can tell, these parents and many others reject what the police officer's narrative is. that he tried to enter into a police car. it doesn't make sense. how many young brothers do you know try to go in a car? i think as the witnesses said, he was running away and the police that is unexplainable gets out of the car even though he's walking with t-shirt,

shorts and sandals on. obviously no weapon. they are running away and he shoots them. then as the witnesses recall, he put his hands up in the air. the police continued to shoot . and execute this child in broad daylight. >> now he had on t-shirt, shorts and flip-flops. it was clearly visible to any trained law enforcement that he was not -- he didn't appear to be concealing any weapon. >> exactly. that's what attorney gray and i are pushing forward. not only was it excessive force. clearly it was. but they apparently lacked training because what officer would do this to a kid in broad daylight. his mother and father tell me that he left the scene, left their baby child dead on the concrete at high noon and didn't give him the decency and the courtesy of getting emergency

response or calling back-up. that's troubling to these parents. that's why they are so outraged today. >> what kind of support are you looking for around the country as you try and keep people there nonviolent but at the same time moving forward for justice, attorney crump? >> as ms. lesley and mr. brown said, instead of celebrating today, taking their son to a technical college they are having to plan a funeral and deal with the costs and expenses. then we have to look at a second autopsy to try to get to justice because they don't trust and the local community don't trust the local law enforcement. that's a problem when our citizens don't trust the police to do right by us. that's when people are frustrated. even with that, these parents and families, all of them, are praying for calm.

they want not as you said, people just to be angry. we want justice for michael. >> let me ask you to ask her to tell us, as a mother, about her son. think people around the country should hear from the mother on what type of boy this was. >> as i stated before he was the first for many different people. aunts, uncles, grandmas, grandpas. my son -- oh. my son just touched many people. people flocked to him. he was special. he wanted to do heating and cooling because he was good with his hands, good at taking things apart and putting it back together. he could even fix your

relationship if you had a problem with that. but nothing. nothing, nobody could say could ever explain to me that he provoked this, that he wanted this or asked for this. no, not my son. no crime in walking down the street. no crime. >> he was called by a lot of people, i understand, a gentle giant. >> that's right. >> that's how you saw your son as a gentle giant? >> he was really big. really bigger than me. yes. a big old teddy bear. a big old teddy bear. that's why we called him mike-mike. oh, little mike-mike. >> let me ask you, mr.

mcspadden, you and the family have called for -- denounced the violence in the street and called for calm. why is that important to you as you are obviously grieving. you haven't even finalized funeral plans. i want people to understand this mother is less than 48 hours after losing her son came forward with you, the grandfather basically to denounce the violence last night. what's your message to those that would protest and why is that important to you? >> it's very important because people just walking around here stealing, looting, burning their own community which don't make sense to nobody. why would you burn your own community? why do all that? all it does is put a red flag on what we're trying to do.

if his legacy shouldn't be about looting, stealing. kicking police cars. the only way to get justice is for us to stay calm. we'll get the right results. that way, his death won't be in vain. >> let me say this. i so was moved when you and i spoke by phone yesterday, talking to the mother. you're exactly right. those that are saying whatever they are saying about the gentle giant who's gone. want people to act in a violent way. they will be making people feel that maybe it's all michael and them were. you don't have the right to use your anger and put your character on his legacy.

anyone who engages in violence is doing a detriment to michael brown, his mother, his father, his family. i think that's what we should say. i have said to you i am coming in because the grandfather asked me to come in. i don't want people to desecrate his memory. we must do what's fair and right to have justice. we cannot do it by having an injustice. i think this is shg all americans -- i saw whites, blacks, all kinds of people standing in that vigil peacefully. i think that's what we need to do. we need to support it nationally. >> absolutely, reverend sharp ton. we need everybody in america to pray for peace. we need the justice department to come in and make sure this is a transparent affair investigation so everybody can trust the system. >> i want to say again to the mother, nobody bear it is the pain like a mother that we

certainly around the country give you our condolences and prayers. i will see you in the morning. i admire your strength to stand up for your son, his character, even though i know you bear an unbearable pain to make sure his name is not muddied with those that would loot rather than those that would lift up justice in his name. thank you for being with us tonight, lesley, les and attorney ben crump. >> thank you. >> thank youment . >> we'll be right back.

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where a political crisis is now complicating the military and humanitarian crisis confront bid president obama. the current prime minister is clinging to power. even though a new prime minister has been nominated. malaki has been blamed for helping to tear iraq apart. just moments ago, president obama made it clear he has to go. >> the only lasting answer is for iraqis to come together and form an inclusive government that represents legitimate interests of all iraqis and one that can unify the country cease fight against isil. today iraq took a promising step forward in the effort. the united states stands ready to support a government that addresses the needs and grievances of all iraqi people. >> today we learned the u.s. has started arming kurdish forces in

northern iraq to fight isis terrorists. u.s. war planes pounded isis positions again today, trying to roll back the militant advance. the navy released this video today of fighter pilots en route to missions around iraq. this video shows u.s. forces dropping humanitarian aid to tens of thousands of refugees. president obama announced a limited mission to save those refugees, but what the american people don't want is to rush back into a full fledged war in iraq. joining me now, congressman adam smith, ranking member of the house armed services committee, and evan coleman, the nbc terrorism analyst. thank you for being here tonight. >> thank you, al. >> congressman, do you support the president's actions so far and his emphasis on long-term political solution in iraq?

>> first of all, we have to try and contain isil. they are clearly a very dangerous terrorist threat. they have taken territory in syria and iraq. they pose a grave threat to the region. they have announced plans to try to plot attacks and carry out attacks against the united states and western targets. the problem is to contain terrorism like that you need a reliable partner. in prime minister malaki we did not have a reliable partner. his sectarian corrupt approach to government is part of what drove so many sunnis into the arms of isil in the first place. the president is right. we have to have a legitimate power sharing arrangement in baghdad. in the meantime, with the kurds we do have a group that we can work with. we have a reliable partner in kurdistan. anywhere we can find sensible moderate sunnis we need to work with them and defend them against a group like isil that's a grave threat to the region and to us. >> congressman, you sound very

reasonable. the war hawks on the right are attacking the president's foreign policy. look at this. >> the president says that he's going to protect american troops and try to prevent humanitarian disasters. that's the extent of the policy. it is my policy. >> he will have committed a blunder for the ages. this commander in chief has no strategy, no vision. >> congressman, is this anything more than name-calling at this point? >> no. the sad thing about it is lindsey graham, the republicans. all they do is attack the president. this is difficult no matter who is president. we need national security leadership in both parties to work together to figure out a solution. all we get from the republicans no matter what the president does is a knee jerk attack. they blame him for everything that goes wrong, every decision he makes. we theed to develop and work out a coherent strategy.

we are not going to get there when partisanship trumps every decision the president makes. there are criticisms to be made. let's develop a policy. let's not have the knee jerk reaction that no matter what he does, let's attack him. that's not going to help advance the foreign policy interests we desperately need to advance at this point. >> i want to play a disturbing clip from australian tv today that shows the horrific tactics used by isis. watch this. >> there is out rarage over a po of a sydney boy posing with the head of a slain soldier. the photo was posted on twitter with the words "that's my boy" by australian jihadist kh alid shareef wanted by police for terrorism crimes. he posed in front of the islamic state flag with his three sons, all of whom are carrying guns. >> among the tactics that isis has been using, his beheadings,

crucifixions, burying people alive, mass executions. what does isis hope to achieve with these tactics? >> they think they will establish a new caliphate. the leader of the organization at one point was a nobody. he thinks he's going to run the islamic world. that plays toward our advantage because of the fact that these folks are more extreme than al qaeda. they are megalomaniacs. they want power. they end up torturing and killing the wrong people. they are killing not only ordinary citizens but al qaeda operatives. that behavior will result in their destruction. the problem is when will it happen? how soon will it happen? >> there could be a backlash. >> there already is. they are coming out now and

saying just because we fought along with isis, we don't like the government of malaki. don't take it to mean we are now isis. that encouraged them to back off in terms of working with isis. people are dying. we need to make sure it continues and these groups start backing isis. they turn against them. that's going to happen until nouri al malaki is out of there. >> president obama spoke to thomas friedman. he said if we left troops in iraq it would not have made a difference really to what he's going on now. listen to this. >> if they had done what they did and had 10,000 troops there it would not have presented the kinds of problems we have seen.

we would have 10,000 troops in the middle of the chaos. >> let me ask you. do you think that staying in iraq for years or even decades was a valid solution? >> i do not. the president is right. the reason for this, and evan is right as well. the malaki government pushed out the sunnis and pushed them into the arms of the most radical terrorist group out there. he said the enemy of the enemy is my friend. those willing to take on al malaki they were willing to support. no amount of u.s. troops would change the internal strife. even while we have well over 100,000 troops there, brutal sectarian violence took place in iraq when the sunnis and shias were going at each other. they couldn't stop that level of violence. even in those numbers. look, this has got to be solved by the malaki government. where we can find sunni moderates willing to stand up to isil. we need to work with them.

iraq and syria. >> i have to leave it there, congressman. thank you so much. thank you both for being here this evening. >> thank you. >> coming up, we know the gop's new agenda. but i think they forgot to tell ted cruz about it. later, how social media is transforming the fight for justice.

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election day is still 85 days away. but republicans are already measuring the drapes in the senate. and they are trotting out their big agenda of what they will do when they control both houses of congress. the keystone pipeline, repealing obamacare and a balanced budget which would involve gutting the safety net, missing from that official list, impeachment. even though a republican senate could clear the way for it. senator ted cruz says, quote, it is clear with the harry reid senate, impeachment of the president is not going miles an hour. well, what about with the ted cruz senate? what then? gop leaders may try to downplay this. it's clear the base still wants it. check out what happened at the gop senate debate in alaska last week. >> i think we all agree that

obama is out of control. he acts as almost a dictator in some sense. >> what would it take for you to support the impeachment of this president is this. >> i agree 110% that this administration is out of control. if articles of impeachment come before a u.s. senate you're darn right i'm going to focus on it. but i think the vast majority is to jump start this economy. >> gop candidates are campaigning on impeachment. and party leaders can't pretend otherwise. joining me now, former pennsylvania governor ed rendell and salon.com's joan walsh. thank you both for being here. governor, isn't impeachment a big part of the midterms in the gop? >> there is no question. it's been part of the primary season. the primary season in many states isn't over yet. the more it's talked about in the primary season, the more i

believe they might be a force to forget about measuring the drapes. the american people do not think the president has done anything that warrants impeachment. they think it is a crazy idea. they think a party promulgating the idea shouldn't be in office. i was down in louisiana, gave the speech to the jefferson jackson dinner on saturday. mary landrieu, if she gets support from those across the country it counter balanced the amount of money spent against her. i think she'll win big for the election. >> you know, joan, he mentioned the president hasn't done anything impeachable. help me out here. fox news and mike huckabee was asked about impeachment. i want you to listen to his answer. >> let me be very clear. i never said he should be impeached. i was asked a specific question. had he committed impeachable

offenses. i said yes. he's not going to be impeached and shouldn't be. >> that's why i need help. he's done impeachable acts according to huckabee. >> this is crazy. >> they do understand it. what they are doing is rallying the base to a point where, if i'm a tea party person, i'm saying if the man committed ep impeachable offenses why aren't you impeaching him? they are inflaming the people they say in one breath they need to control but say they are trying to control and inflaming them to make it impossible to do any governing at all when, god if he should, they took over. democrats have to get out and vote. i really believe, reverend al when they came up against one another trying to balance a budget they would fall apart. it would be internal warfare. >> isn't that the point if they had to come up with a budget? one gop senate candidate said

the gop has to make a case that the gop is struggling with their lack of agenda. he said specifically on health care, quote, republicans have to answer to the when you repeal it, what are you replacing it with question. we owe the american people a solution to the problem. he has a point. the republican party hasn't offered an alternative. are americans tired of the empty attempts to repeal but don't replace? >> the more they talk about repeal, the more it drives the independent voter into the democratic column. the problem with what they are talking about is they don't have a health care solution. to cut $5 trillion out of the budget in the next ten years to balance it, it means you will have to rip medicare asunder. do any republicans want to run on a platform of ripping medicare asunder? do they want that to be the

party's motivation moving into the election? they are facing an electoral tsunami. >> let me ask you this. another favorite talking point, but empty talking point from the right is the president's vacation. listen to this. >> nothing is easy for the poor. working hard, trying hard. he's really on the golf course a lot, doing everything he can. all these events are conspiring against him. >> he could be doing fund-raisers while in martha's vineyard if needed for that. that's probably off the table. >> you would think. >> he could be playing golf, but he'll probably be playing golf already. >> but look at this. so far in his presidency, president obama has taken 125 days of vacation. at the same point in his presidency, president george w. bush had taken 407 days. where was the outrage then. the gop agenda is a vacuum.

this is all they've got. >> this is all they've got. this chart is so wonderful. you will never see it on fox news. they will find a way to make it look like the president took more vacation. they are fundamentally dishonest. they can't get out of their own way. >> we can't have different facts. >> thank you both for your time tonight. >> thanks. >> that's right. >> still ahead, my parting thoughts on the michael brown tragedy. stay with us. ugh. heartburn. did someone say burn? try alka seltzer reliefchews. they work just as fast and taste better than tums smoothies assorted fruit. mmm. amazing. yeah, i get that a lot. alka seltzer heartburn reliefchews. enjoy the relief. captain obvious: tell your travelgrandmother with the. hotels.com loyalty program, she'll earn free nights. so they're not the same, because they're different.

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