the "ed show" is up next. good evening, americans. welcome to the "ed show" live from new york city. let's get ready to rumble. >> in suburbanan st. louis, the scenes the photographers first captured looked like a police state. >> protesters march with their hands up. >> the officer is approaching us and as he pull up on the side of us, he didn't say freeze, halt. >> i want the truth and i want justice. >> the naacp officials saying they have witnesses, witnesses who say there was no confrontation. >> there's a lot of conflicting stories because the police here won't tell you nothing. >> an old wound that has been torn open to fresh. >> we call for calm and we call

for everybody to be responsible. >> a wound that hadn't quite healed right in the first place. >> he was a peaceful person and he lived his life peaceful. >> violence in fuerguson, missouri is reaching a fever pitch. it's now the fourth day of protests after the police shooting of 18-year-old michael brown. a group sat outside of the quick strip convenience store that burned down to the ground sunday ready to break up any violence. >> this is the st. louis county police department. disperse now or you will be arrested. this is the st. louis county police department. disperse now. go home or you'll be subject to arrest. >> since sunday night people have stood side by side in the streets to demand justice for michael brown. ferguson is mostly black. members of the ferguson and st. louis county police are mostly

white. the governor and then attorney general, who is now the attorney general, jay nixon, were personally on hand for the signing of a bill that banned racial profiling by police in missouri. it required that every police officer in the state record information about the race of the person they were stopping every time they made a traffic stop. the most recent data for 2013 shows black people made up 67% of the population in ferguson but made up 86% of traffic stops. it's a big disparity as a snapshot. it's been this way for many years. the demands for justice for michael brown have escalated into vandalism and looting and violence of course begets violence. the st. louis business journal is reporting a spike in gun store sales in the wake of the ferguson riots. some of taking a different tomorrow. jay nixon told the standing room

audience in the face of crisis, we must show calm. instead of burning bridges of anger, we must build them with love. here's what was said during a news conference tuesday. >> no one has the right to take their child's name and drag it through the mud because you angry. to become violent in michael brown's name is to betray the gentle giant that he was. don't be so angry -- don't be so angry that you distort the image of who his mother and father told us he was. >> reverend sharpton also this that speech also called for serious measures of justice to address the significant underlying causes of violence that precipitate such heinous

actions but also the heinous characterization of black people that has characterized that city for too long. joining me, todd frankel of "the washington post." he's been following that story. what's the latest? >> the latest is there was a press conference this afternoon in the ferguson and the police chief didn't reveal too much new information but at least finally met with the public and met with the press. he talked a little bit about acknowledging there was a problem in the city and they were going to look into it, but the biggest thing is probably what did not come out, a lot of people calling for the officer's name who shot michael brown and the police chief said now was not the right time for that information to come out. >> s.w.a.t. team members are already responding. do you think more enforcements will be brought in? >> it's a tense situation. i think last night according to reports on the ground it was a little built cait calmer than tt

before. each night it's gotten a little less outrageous, some of the fires and stuff. i think cooler heads will prevail. everyone agrees the action has been counterproductive in the long run. >> that's one of the conundrums, isn't it? the violence that takes place against that minority population is largely ignored and then when confla grags takes place, they're blamed when the violence perpetuated against them didn't get addressed. how do you deal with that violence with the necessity of maintaining peace and looking at the precipitating causes. >> that's a huge challenge and you have the challenge of it looks like the next day, the rubber bullets and people get angrier as people describe it as looking like a police state down there. that's why it's nice to hear a lot of public officials seem to

be calling for calm on the streets. last night i think was calmer than the night before and hopefully this will sort of peter out. >> sure. todd frankel, thanks for your i'm. >> sure thing. >> i'm joined by the assistant professor of english and africana studies and zerlina maxwell and contributor to the greo.com. nobody wants to see the violence. calm has to be restored. how unbalanced it is to focus on that aspect of it as opposed to what caused the violence to begin in the first place. can you speak to that? >> i feel like it's a slight misdirection. you wrote that wonderful book on katrina. that's the last time we most recently heard about people rioting in response to a failed crisis, both in terms of a natural disaster but also the failed government response.

rodney king, the verdict and the subsequent rebellion that took place in l.a. is the most prominent for me. the question is when is it appropriate to have civil unrest, when is it appropriate for communities to defend themselves and organize in terms of peaceful protest but also what are the stakes and what does it take for communities of color, particularly african-american, working class communities to have a justified and sense of justice in their communities to take these kind of responses, take the violence and the murder of a young african-american boy and to lead to a response on the part of public officials but also the rioting and the looting i think are just code words and names for civil unrest. i don't know what the appropriate response is to the epidemic of black young people being killed, both by civil -- by private citizens and by police officers. almost, you know, monthly if not

weekly at this point. >> every 28 hours we know that some young black person is being gunned down on the streets of america, but especially at the hands of state representatives in terms of police departments and others. zerlina, the social media network has been very intense in responding to this and other catastrophes, crises and chaos. tell us about the #iftheygunmedown. >> that's a response and a poignant message talking about the respectability politics. when a young black person or person of color is gunned down or killed, the media tries to put them into a box, making trayvon martin into a thug, showing pictures of him that were not even pictures of him but on the other hand being

someone educated like michael brown starting school on monday, are they showing him in the picture in the jersey with his hands up or are they showing his high school graduation picture? i think the response by the media when it is a white person who is killed early on in their life versus a black person, the response could not be more different. their humanity is always -- even when it's a school shooter, largely the media is trying to find why did they do this, what went wrong and i think they're thought of as someone who has the full range of humanity. that is not something that is given to young black people who are gunned down unfortunately. >> i want to pick up on that. i was at an eatery recently in washington, d.c. and i saw a young white guy cursing the police out and i became fearful and then i said, oh, no, it's a white guy, he's going to be all right. they discussed it with him, they

dismissed him. there are several studies showing black girls and boys not being innocent, not seen as fully human. how do we balance the reality that there's a pervasive belief in the sty that deprives young black people of their humanity and the outrage that evokes when an incident like this occurs. >> i want to pick up what you said about the hashtag and the looting and rioting. you have a response to the death of michael brown, it's assumed he's already a criminal, therefore worthy of being killed by a police officer and then the rhetoric of african-american civil unrest being further incrimination. there's an irony in that younger and younger african-americans

are seen -- the studies show that 4-year-olds are being kicked out of classes, boys and girls, african-american boys and girls, for unruly behavior. so there's actually very little protection of black childhood and there's an earlier and earlier criminalization of black children. it is also a way in which black lives are seen unworthy and the outcome will be black death. >> picking up on that, ferguson's population is nearly 70%. what about if a black policeman had shot a white kid? what do you think the outcome -- given analytic precision, what do you think the outcome would be? >> i think there would be outrage. i think if there were a young

white person gunned down, i think the black community as well would be outraged. we are sick and tired of it being our sons and daughter but we value life. the sense of justice isn't we only care about black life, even though, as you said, it's valued as less than. but also i think about cliven bundy and i think about all of his supporters showing up with guns faced at the federal officials and they were able to stay there and it was a standoff, it wasn't -- they didn't come in with tanks and start tear gassing people on their own front yards. and so i just think that if it were a white life lost, there would be, you know, predictable outrage, but certainly the response here is inappropriate. i think back to the dread scott decision when i think about this case and i think about the rhetoric in that when they were talking about how blacks have no rights that a white man is bound to respect. we have to come beyond 1857. >> no doubt about that.

>> how do we get our leaders, who understandably are calling for peace and calm to understand the complicated terrain that you've spoken to so that they don't end up reproducing the pathology of blackness and seeing these young black people as already criminalized and participating in the further criminalization of them by calling for peace without having that complicated understanding of that history involved? >> i mean, i guess the call for peace is understandable but the call for justice is much more dire. i think when we're speaking of our leaders, i think there's a variety of elected officials, civil rights leaders, every day citizens, that the ongoing desire for racial justice and full equal for african-americans is the end goal. you can have a rhetoric of peace in the communities but i think the real issue is when you have these police officers in these communities, both on a day-to-day basis and here with riot gear to fend off potential citizens, i mean, who are we

seeing as the perpetrators of violence, right? and in this case obviously it was a white police officer and you have police officers there not to protect the citizens but to fend off rioters. so i think for me the issue is i go back to when you have, you know, military presence in eisenhower and desegregation and the ways in witch the federal government -- understanding the ways that that local governments may not be able to protect their citizens because they're already rife with racism that, there is a call for federal intervention to help approach ticket african-american, under siege whether it's st. louis, l.a., florida, we deserve more and should be asking for more. >> the president made a statement in terms of the heart brokenness that he and michelle felt. is that putting him as an outsider? should he be circumspect until

more was in is found or should he issue an edict to protect the local people more? >> i would say yes. as barack obama has been president, there -- a succession of black people have been killed by private citizens and police officers. the moral courage and conscience of the police officer would be to help protect citizens of all cost. there is that rhetoric he uses of self-defense and people having the right to defend each other from attacks in israel and others. i think here we should see americans as under attack and under siege as well. >> thank you so much for your time tonight. >> coming up, we have fresh evidence of global warmer yet climate deniers turn a blind eye. but first, military representatives have been sent to iraq.

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>> according to the pentagon, the special forces personnel are armed for their own safety but will not fulfill any combat role while on the ground. nbc news's keir simmons has the latest on the deadlock in the region. >> reporter: they have crossed a mountain on foot in the desert heat, forced to flee their homes driven by the fear of isis. this woman says militants beheaded several men in their village and mounted their heads on the hoods of cars. isis is well armed but sheer terror may be their most powerful weapon. and these are the men confronting isis, fighting fear and brutality, outgunned, using weapons from the past. the kurds share this base with the iraqi army, two historic adversaries, now united against a common enemy. a foe that has made it clear it will stop at nothing.

keir simmons, nbc news, erbil iraq. >> the debate now is how much u.s. action in iraq will hinge on congressional approval. joining me tonight, congressman john garamendi of california. good to have you with us. >> my pleasure. >> president obama has 60 days to deploy troops without congressional approval. just how far do you believe he will exercise this power? >> i suspect he'll go the full 60 days. it's highly unlikely that this refugee issue will be resolved in the next month, month and a half. beyond that there are some very serious problems in the entire area that are not going to go away any time soon. so those 60 days are going to run and congress must do its

constitutional responsibility, which is to take up the issue, stay, expand or get out. >> well, we talk about stay or get out, the reality is that there's a lot of political pressure on him either to concede to the wishes of congress along the way, you know, as an advisory board so to speak to join with him in this, but he's also facing political oppositions from the likes of lindsay graham and john mccain. how does he get out of that kind of conundrum? >> that's the political conundrum. the real conundrum is in iraq, how do we deal with that issue there? when we return in september, i would hope congress would conduct a series of very intense briefings and hearings so we can learn from the president what his goal is, what the extent of the engagement might be and what the slippery slope might look like and then we must under the constitution and under the war's power act, we must act. we cannot fail to do so.

if we fail to do so, under the wars powers act, the president must withdraw from -- well, we simply must act. yes or no, move forward or not. and that's the situation. and it's our responsibility, all 535 of us share that responsibility on behalf of the american public. so it's his action now. he's doing what i think is necessary, that is dealing with the immediate situation, the refugee situation, the humanitarian situation, that he must do. we are, however, building up our troops on the ground. we are, however, starting on that slippery slope. how far it goes, we need to know. and we need to make a decision as representatives of the american people. >> well, so far the united states has executed air strikes and britain has joined our forces in delivering humanitarian air drops. what do you think are the next steps from there? because people are saying are we going to ask our allies to join us in advisers

over there? the war creep begins to ramp up over there. >> exactly right, it is the creeping towards war and the slippery slope. in iraq we need the political settlement. seems as though maliki is on his way out. good. he should have been out a month ago. we need a new prime minister and an inclusive government in iraq. we need to make sure the kurds, turkish people, syria, jordan and the rest will be deeply involved in this. we know saudi arabia and the gulf states all are at risk. we need a political action to deal with the isil onslaught. if we fail to do that, it may come to us and can we do that without that coordinated action among all of the players into the area to do away with this very serious threat to them.

>> let me ask you a two-prong question about syria. what's the difference in sentiment between this crisis in iraq and syria and do you agree with senator mccain and graham that we should be stretching as far as syria to do some preemptive strikes there to make sure we cut off the head, so to speak, of isis? >> i think those two fellas would like to bomb everywhere all of the time and have said that much over the last several years. i don't think we ought to follow their lead at all. there's a much more measured way to go about that. the president is going about that in a measured way. syria has evolved over the last three, four years that has led to the growth of the isil or isis. now that situation in syria has spilled over, major problem in iraq and it does require our serious attention. it requires on the humanitarian

side and also requires our attention on the political diplomatic side, making sewer that the iraqi government becomes inclusive and not giving the sunnis a reason to fight against the baghdad government. it seems as though that may be happening. the new fella that's been appointed by the government to become the prime minister seems to have the support of the kurdish people as well assunnis. that's a good thing. if he could pull that together and make a government. i think the air strikes are giving the kurdish people and the iraqi government a little bit of breathing time to get themselves organized, to get the proper weapons to repel and in fact roll back isil. >> congressman john garamendi, thank you so much for joining us tonight. >> thank you. >> coming up, hillary clinton

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welcome back to "the ed show." this summer we've seen dangerous weather from coast to coast. there's no question that increasing severe weather patterns are connected to climate change. over the past two days there

have been severe floods across the country, phoenix, arizona, detroit michigan, where i hail from, baltimore, maryland, near where i live and new york all saw dangerous flooding. this was the scene on the southern state parkway this morning. >> reporter: john was on his way to work on j.f.k. when floodwaters surrounded his car. >> the water was going over that center median. >> firefighters had to rescue him and about 100 others who abandoned their cars on the flooded roadway. >> flooding devastated part of a nebraska hospital on friday. floodwaters broke over doors. and a haboob rolled through the state with 60 mile-per-hour

winds. the biggest toxic red tide in a decade is threatening tourism and sea life as it moves near the coast. >> reporter: it has already killed thousands of fish. now these researchers in sarasota are trying to find out if it's going to be harmful to humans. >> we want to get in front of the bloom and see what's happening beneath the surface. >> reporter: these arrows already show red tide is moving southeast toward the shore and closer to southwest florida. if it reaches land, that's when red tide, a harmful algae bloom causes more problems. >> it can get into the air. if you're on the beach, it can cause respiratory problems. >> reporter: the bloom is 60 miles wide, 90 miles long. this is the highest

concentration of toxicology. joining me director of bold nebraska.org and dr. anderson of the woods hole oceanographic institution. is there any doubt this is connected to climate change? >> no. i don't want to debate if climate change is happening or if climate change is real because it is. the debate we need to have is what hard choices are we going to make? are we going to make hard choices in our energy selection? are we going to fund looking at university of nebraska that is looking at corn that uses less water. >> taking a refresher course in science is the necessity because they keep denying it. >> that's exactly right. what people need to do now that all their members of congress are back home for august recess, they need to bring a picture of a flat oil or tin foil hat and

call your politician out. when they're having a town hall or coffee meet up in your town, go and bring those items and say why do you continue to deny science? if you're really concerned about jobs and economic prosperity in the future, you'll act now on climate change. >> so, dr. anderson, what's causing the red tide bloom in florida? >> i think in this case most people i feel would not lay the blame on climate chang. these phenomena like the one happening now have occurred since the 1600s and probably for long, long before then. and this is a particularly severe one but it's not unusual. this is a kind of organism that it grows, it's an algae, a single-cell algae that divides, becomes very numerous and can make the water appear red. these blooms tend to originate offshore and move towards shore. this one, as you said, is 20

miles offshore. it may never reach shore. it may never cause some of the damage that others have. it's being monitored very carefully. you er erie incident. >> isn't phosphorous being pumped into these lakes? you're saying these phenomena don't substantiate climate change? >> exactly. there are red tides and blooms where the climate is having an effect, range expansion where a species moves into an area where it couldn't grow before. but these particular cases are better explained using other mechanisms. and, yes, you're right,

phosphorous nitrogen, these nutrients for plants are being washed into these lakes or into the ocean and can stimulate these plans like they would stimulate the growth of a plant on your window sill. but that's not climate related, that is just more of a human impact. i think the distinction is is is important here. >> well, before i turn to jane again, how dangerous is the current bloom, though? >> well, it's certainly dangerous for wildlife and potentially for humans. as was mentioned earlier, there are a variety of effects. this toxin when it comes -- these cells, when they come near shore, the toxin can become airborne in the sea spray and people will cough and wheeze and they have to move away from the shore. it will go away if you move inland. some people that might have c.o.p.d. or asthma might have a little more severe problems but by and large it's a very bothersome effect. fish will die, coral reefs might

die, manatees, dolphins will die, sea birds and there's even a toxin that can show up in shell fish. but the monitoring programs by the state agencies are very, very effective at keeping dangerous seafood off the market, of warning people away from beaches and, again, they're mapping out this outbreak with little vehicles that are like torpedos that are cruising under the bloom and mapping it out and computer models are being used to predict where it will reach land. it's being well managed, even though there is this potential danger associated with it. >> okay. jane, give us an update on the keystone pipeline. where do things stand right now? >> essentially they don't have a permit in south dakota or nebraska. we are headed to the nebraska supreme court on december 5th. if we win, you're looking at another year and a half process

for transcanada to go through to get the route approved. we will argue they need to avoid the sand hills and the aquifer. folks, bring your tin hats to the town halls and call these politicians out. >> in doing so, that kind of environmental activism is not simply nfor exercising one's ow muscles, it affects the environment in which people live. how do you stimulate people to think more seriously about their environment? how do you get every day americans to do that? >> when we see big floods or tornadoes, we don't want to think that's associated with climate change or something that we did. we have to start owning our environment, owning our land and water. when you look at those floods, the extreme weather patterns or

the soil deteriorating, start to think the carbon pollution that's making that happen. as moms and as a grandfather as you are, we can start taking these small decisions and small steps. that's why we have to call out our politicians. we don't want to see more fossil fuel projects developed. i want more microgrids of solar being done, solar and wind. if politicians aren't challenged to talk about it, they won't. >> do ordinary citizens in nebraska see that as climate change? >> when we took the keystone xl fight on, no. there's no way any of the farmers or ranchers we work with would have connected the dots. now they call keystone xl one of the biggest climate changers. they're ride. if we allow tar sands to expand, it emits four times the carbon pollution that carbon does.

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time now for the trenders. keep on touch with us on "the ed show" and on facebook. and can you find me on twitter. "the ed show" social media dyson has decided, and we are reporting, here are today's top trenders reported on by you. >> number three, trender. three's company. >> three baby panda cubs stole the show at a south china zoo. >> you got to see the baby. >> a chinese zoo well comes that trio of pandas. >> 12-year-old giant panda gave birth to the triplets in july. >> there's only 1% chance for a giant panda to give birth to three cubs at once. all cubs are in good health. >> i'm a baby, just out, got to love me. >> brand new trender. rough job. >> new mayor is just seven years old. he doesn't say much. >> mr. mayor, can i get a statement from you?

>> duke is top dog at city hall in minnesota. >> 12 people in the village paying a dollar to cast a vote. >> he won by a landslides. his constituents say this great pir hemnes makes a great leader. >> he roams around, keeping an eye on everyone. >> take a bite out of crime. >> today's top trender. >> don't do stupid stuff, in quotes, is an an organizing principle. >> they continue to agree on a broad majority of issues even if they have the occasional policy difference. >> clinton looks to brace obama after running from his foreign policy position. >> she plans on quote hugging it out with president obama tonight. >> you want to hug it out? >> the president taken a thoughtful deliberate stance to these issues. >> president appreciates her counsel and advice but more importantly her friendship. >> it is not healthy if every time clinton and obama have a

difference on policy they have this kind of family feud. >> joining me now is host of the agenda on sirius xm radio. so ari, will hugging it output the issue behind them? >> i guess. i mean, i don't know what issue is. the idea that hillary aentd obama disagree on foreign policy, that dates back to 2008. the idea that hillary is a more hawkish figure and want to be more aggressive on syria, i think everybody knew that. i don't think there's anything to put behind. but i guess they'll hug it out tonight in martha's vineyard. what do you think it will happen? with mariachi music? with rumba? with zumba class? with what? some boogie on and rap? what do you conceive it to be? >> i'd like to think it is over a glass of scotch. that would be a classy way to hug it out. maybe a little jack daniels black label. i think the two of them, toasting, hugging it out. but the truth is, look, this

interview that this came from, the controversy that was stewed up about, oh, hillary dised obama, it covers up something really important. and that is, hillary laid out very clearly where she stands on a variety of different foreign policy issuees. as people look towards future elections that might or might not happen, i think the interview as a whole is a really important demarcation point. >> sure. despite the inelegant description of the president's foreign policy position boiling down to don't do stupid stuff, isn't this where a lot of americans are when it comes to foreign intervention. they agree with president obama. let's stop the playground of foreign territories and doing crazy stuff. let's just not do stupid stuff. >> look, we did stupid stuff for eight years. starting with the war in iraq, which was the stupidest of stuff. that's just the preamble of stupid during the bush administration. i have a column at usa today that just went up right now where i make this point. that we did stupid stuff for

eight years. americans elected barack obama in part because they didn't want to do stupid stuff in the foreign policy realm. they didn't want foreign interventionism run amok. by the way, that was shown about a year ago when the president tried to take a more aggressive approach towards syria and was shot down by a house of representatives the first time democrats and republicans got together and said, whoa. that's because voters didn't want it. >> so hillary's hawkish record cost her in 2008 will. what did 2016 if she were to run. >> look, i think it's an important discussion. i think hillary is the most popular democrat in the party right now. i think she's incredibly popular. i think that people like her. but her foreign policy stands are something that people will look at. democrats have a very strong aversion right now to foreign military interventionism and hillary is by her own admission in the hawkish wing of the party. what is so interesting to me about this is all of these

prague -- you are saying, hillary, position yourself in this way or that way, no, it is much simpler than that. she told jeffrey goldburg what she believes. first off, that's important. and second, people should look at it and decide if they believe that too. >> does this make room for bernie sanders or elizabeth warren? >> look, i think elizabeth warren made clear she doesn't want it run. i think bernie sanders has been out there talking about running, but i think he suggested he wouldn't run as a democrat, he would run as independent. imnot sure about that. i think primaries are healthy. good primaries are healthy. the 2008 primary was a good place for the democratic party to work out issues. i think in 2016, it behooves us to have a good discussion of ideas regardless of who's running. >> all right. thanks so much for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> that's "the ed show." i'm michael eric dyson in for the great ed show.

"politicsnation" with the rev al sharpton starts now. >> the investigation, four days after the shooting of an unarmed teenager, there's growing pressure from the community and his family for answers. late today the ferguson police department called an unscheduled press conference. but they still decline to answer the question that so many are asking. about releasing the name of the officer. >> explain that -- >> why aren't you releasing the officer's name? >> for two reasons. one, for the safety factor. we weighed the value of releasing the name right now against the safety factor to both him, his family and his neighborhood. now, mr. mccullough's -- the