"politicsnation" with the rev al sharpton starts now. >> the investigation, four days after the shooting of an unarmed teenager, there's growing pressure from the community and his family for answers. late today the ferguson police department called an unscheduled press conference. but they still decline to answer the question that so many are asking. about releasing the name of the officer. >> explain that -- >> why aren't you releasing the officer's name? >> for two reasons. one, for the safety factor. we weighed the value of releasing the name right now against the safety factor to both him, his family and his neighborhood. now, mr. mccullough's -- the prosecuting attorney's stance,

is they don't release names of anybody until they are formally charged. >> that's a new reason they are not providing the officer's name. reversal from an earlier promise that they would release it. it comes on the heels of a washington post report that the police investigation is quote, moving slowly. and that three days after the incident detectives still had not talked with many critical witnesses. and details that are emerging are opening more questions. today police said the officer who shot michael brown was injured in the alleged altercation. that he was hit in the side of his face and treated at a hospital. but again, we still don't know who that officer is. what his name is. or what his account is. >> we understand the anger. we understand that people want answers. and we understand that we've got a problem.

but we're just asking people to be peaceful and that we are actively working to resolve this situation to get the truth and to get justice. >> the police say that they're actively working on this. but four days after the shooting, there's a lot we don't know. joining me now is charlie duly, st. charles county executive, and the washington post wesley lawry. thank you both for being here. >> thank you. >> thank you, reverend. >> executive duly, what's your response to residents that are upset about not getting answers fast enough? >> i agree with them. too many unanswered questions in this event. a young african-american lost their life and the community deserves answers. there's no question about it. it is not about defending about the police department. it is about having a transparent process that people can believe in. and that's where st. louis

county asked for the fbi and department of justice to intervene and to oversee this process. >> now, the bringing in the federal government to run a parallel investigation, is not like them taking over the entire investigation. and one of the things that i've heard, as you know i was in st. louis, and requesting the family and i'm looking at this purely as moving toward how you deal with an investigation and not cause more damage in terms of violence, but i'm hearing over and over again a lot of distrust from local residents, including witnesses that they don't trust the local authorities. they don't trust the state investigation. they are afraid of retribution if they talk to local law enforcement. isn't it in the best interest of everyone for the appearances of

it being an investigation, no matter what it leads to, if the federal government did the investigation totally. >> i agree. that's why we asked for the fbi and department of justice to come into this process. wore too close to it right now. and there are mistrusts. there are a lot of unanswered questions. and in order to have an open process, that people can believe in, they need to have a third party envision. >> wes lawry, you've been down there covering this and dealing with this, have you not heard the skepticism an distrust, you were on last night with me in st. louis when an elected official says, i may trust them, but the people just ask too many questions. >> there's no trust whatsoever here. i was talking it a protester about an hour ago. he looked at me and said, if you can find one person in this community who trust the furgason police or county government, county police officers, that's like finding a four leaf clover. there's no trust in the community. a deep distrust.

there are stories or word on street is that people had their phones taken by police who might have seen what happened or might have video or photos. there's a ton of distrust and different issues. >> people who have their phones taken and may have had photos on this issue and michael brown? >> on michael brown. that is the, again, the word on the street here. and whether it's true or not, this is why it matters. it does matter if it is true. but even if isn't true, the anecdote of distrust, people are so easily willing to believe something like that, that police officers are going into homes and taking phones. which i've had throw or four or five people here on the streets tell me. again, as you know, reverend, it stems from a number of issues. whether a lack of representation in the police force. lack of captains in the police force and disparities in the number of being pulled over and having interaction with the police force. a person said to me today, every

person in this community has experienced dwb, driving while black. >> county executive duly, how do you respond to that? >> first of all, as an african-american myself, every american male in this country have had that incident, driving while black. that is nothing new to all of us. we recognize that. but to say the vast majority of african-americans don't trust the police department in this community, that can't be substantiated. the individuals on the streets, there are mistrust with the young people. no question about it. when the individual is alleged to be killed in broad daylight and unarmed, that makes for untrust in the community. it's no question about that. should people be angry? yes. but i would suggest to you that the family says, let's be calm, let's let justice prevail, and let's not take revenge. and looting your own community is not inducive to a productive action.

>> i any all of us agree that is counter productive. but in terms of the trust, mr. dooley, you know when you hear for example, that you had a -- let me put this to you. there was a st. louis county lieutenant, fired last year in a case involving race, one internal note to him read, quote, you were heard by at least nine officers on multiple occasions directing enforcement actions on persons with black, tan or colored skin without any reference to probable cause. this happened. not just that just created. but just there washington week, you said there, being mr. duly, concerns about the police force were quote, unfounded. but isn't this a cause for wern,

when have you an office fired for using racial directions. with no probable cause. >> of course it is reason for concern. i'm not going to debate that fact. but what i am saying is that one person's action does not necessarily represent the whole of the department. have there been mistakes made in of course there have. is there frustration out there? of course there are. there are unanswered questions, yes, they are. have people been mistreated? yes. but by the vast of the industry, speaks for the whole department. i don't know again, i don't think that everyone is saying everyone cop, everybody in the department, but clearly mistrust is there's enough for people to have mistrust and as i think, you are saying, wes, that whether some of it is exaggerated or untrue, it doesn't matter. it catches the life of his own. i've gotten as much bad information as good out there. but the reality is, it has attention.

i want your reaction from both of you. listen to both of the two witnesses who tell very similar stories about what they saw. watch this. >> my friend went past me. he sees me in plain sight. he looks at me and say, keep republicani running, bro. >> he chasing the guy. he was unarmed. he ran for his life. >> struck my friend in the back. he didn't stop what he was going, stop to turn around with his hands in the air. >> they shot him, he fell. he put his arms up to let mem know he was compliant and unarmed. >> started to tell the officer that he was unarmed. and he was not -- and before he would get his last words out, the officer fired several more shots and my friend went down in the fetal position. >> they shot him twice more. he fell to the ground and died. >> they are prodly te broadly tg similar stories.

as far as we can ascertain. yet they tell very similar stories. your reaction it that, wes. >> and that is a story that's permeated furgason. as we've seen in all of the protests and all of the rallies at the church where we were last night, hands up, don't shoot is the chant that is really come to define furgason and define what this incident has been. in part because it racatches on. it speaks to the soul of any african male. you know what that means. hands up, don't shoot. that's the story i've heard and the story people have told who saw things. heard things. the police have not provided any narrative to push back on that. that is not to say that might not end up being what they say happened. but the police have provided so little information. i talked to the police chief and because he removed himself from the investigation he had no information to give me. he says, he understands and we

don't know why the police officer was interacting with the two young men at all. was he pulled over, talking to them. attempting to make an arrest? charging them with a crime? we have no official narrative here. >> no narrative and have you a young man, clearly unarmed, that is dead and no one saying anything and these witnesses telling stories that give parallel scenarios. >> i agree, reverend. that's the troubling part about it. you have these statements being made. and the police department itself, is not giving enough information to counter that. i have no reason to believe that young people are not telling the truth. we all recognize the individual, michael brown, was unarmed. why was he shot multiple times? it is very troubling. and i agree, that is the frustration. and the police department has not come forward to give enough information or facts about what

actually happened. and so again, the community itself is saying, there are too many african-americans, not just in st. louis county, but in this nation, as being killed without explanation, without foundation, and it needs to stop. >> well, that, i think all of us agree. and i think most americans, if not all, would overwhelming majority would agree. st. louis county executive charlie dooley and wesly laurie, thank you both for your time tonight. >> thank you, reverend. >> coming up, another unarmed man shot dead by police. this time in los angeles. that's four unarmed african-americans killed this summer. will the justice department create a commission to deal with this growing problem? many of my patients still clean their dentures with toothpaste.

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the shooting of michael brown has sparked a new debate about images in the media. and is also fuelling a new trend on-line. here are two very different images of mike that will surfaced on tv after the shooting. prompting twitter users to post their own photos with the hashtag, if they gunned me down. t tweets show contrasting images. young men and women wearing military uniforms next to them wearing hoodies, drinking, mugging for the camera. with the question, if they gunned me down, which photo would they show? these twitter users making a powerful critique of how black victims are portrayed in the media. we've seen this before. a huge issue in the trayvon

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shot by a police officer in broad daylight. in july, a california highway patrolman beat a woman who was walking along the freeway. that woman were marlene, is now speaking out. >> he tried to kill me and i want him fired. i was scared for my life because he wouldn't stop beating me. i didn't know when he was going to stop. >> on july 17th, a new york city police officer used an illegal choke hold on eric gardner. his death was ruled a homicide. last week, ohio police shot and killed a man named john crawford in a wal-mart. they said he was waving a rifle in the air. but it turned out to be a bb gun. his family thinks he picked it up right in the store from one of the store shelves. and today, there are new questions about a police shooting this week in los angeles.

>> shaken and heart broken -- >> my heart is so heavy, because my family is close. >> and her husband is in disbelief. >> we want to know is just why you do it. >> lapd officer, she say, shot and killed their mentally challenged son, 25-year-old, ezel ford junior. >> they laid him out and for whatever reason, they shot him in the back. >> knowing that he is -- >> knowing he is mentally has complications. >> but you don't find this problem just in l.a. or in furgason, missouri. it's a national issue. and the justice department wants solutions. usa today report quote, the justice department is leading a broad review of police tactics, including the kind of deadly force that prompted recent protest in missouri and new york. the review is being conducted as

the department weighs creating a national commission to provide new direction on such controversial issues. things need to change. we need to work together to build trust between police and their communities. and to make sure all-americans receive equal justice. joining me now, is dr. cedric alexander, president of national law enforcement executives and chief of police for dekalb county, georgia. dr. alexander, first of all, thank you for being here. >> thank you for inviting me here today as well, reverend. >> let me ask you, how can we work to prevent these kind of incidents? >> well, i think we have to remember this, and you've said it so many times, and i've said it so many times a day as well too, historically, police departments and those of color

have had strain relationships for years. even though we have seen improved relationships in many parts of the country, there are still some areas as well, too. and there are moments in time in history where it appears as if we are still somewhat dated in our interactions. it is very clear to me, and evident to me of course of what is going on in furgason is that there was absolutely very little police and community positive relationships going on at any point in time in their history. that is quite evident that this community came to a tipping point very, very quickly. and with the fact that you have a lot of questions that are still yet to be answered, i think we're in a place particularly in that activity at this day and time and at this very moment that we need to address these ush u issues and emerge across the country in a frequent rate and we have to do something. here at noble, we are monitoring each and every one of these sit

i situations, not to cast any blame but to make sure that there is a fair and balance and appropriate investigation that occurs in each one of these cases. because justice must be served for all of those that are involved. >> now, we have also seen some really striking images come out of furgason. of police and military style riot gear and armored vehicles. this has been a growing trend over the last few years. in 1990, local and state police departments have only $1 million worth of military equipment. by 2013, it was $450 million worth. does this press presence on the street make it harder to buildc? ? >> it certainly makes it hard to built trust, especially when the

community doesn't trust the police department and the police department doesn't trust the community. but what you will find, communities that have a strong relationship with the police department and communities, it is much easier to navigate and have conversations around any issue that may come up. of course you're going to always have riot gear and protective wear that is going to bea appropriate for certain types of events that occur in a commune pi ity. however when there is no relationship whatsoever, and you are seeing this, it is playing itself out everyday, right there in missouri, when there's no relationship between those two entities, what you're going to find is just a continued reality or perception, whatever word you choose to use, of discontent and distrust. >> you also have representation given a perception or reality.

you talking about furgason. looking at the demographics, police force and this town. and a town of 67% black. only three police officers are black in this department. does this create a problem, doctor? >> absolutely it does. particularly in this day and time. virtually wherever you go in any city, business or industry, we all are very sensitive of the fact of diversity. we make sure that we have those that represent every part of the community. but of course that's not evident. as we can see here in furgason. so that's go tock one of the issues that they are going to have to address. as they move forward. to try to establish the relationship in an environment in which they can begin to trust each other as well, too. >> thank you so much for your time so night. >> thank you, sir. thank you for having me. >> still ahead, gop's master

plan is back firing. turns out voters aren't thrilled with all this talk about lawsuits and impeachment. also, why are president obama and hillary clinton, quote, hugging it out? and why is the right so fired up about it? stay with us.

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president obama and former secretary of state hillary clinton will come face-to-face at a birthday party tonight. for the first time since she made critical comments about his actions in syria. >> you going to hug it out with the president? >> absolutely. yeah. we're looking forward to it. going to be there tonight. me and the book. we are committed to the values and the interests of the security of our country together. we have disagreements as any partners and friends as we might very well have. but i'm proud that i serve with him and for him an i'm looking forward to seeing him tonight. >> that is hardly breaking news that they disagreed on certain issues p. they spent an entire campaign criticizing each other's ideas. in the end, they got over their differences and went from adversaries to jl eyes. allies. >> senator obama's remarks are elitist and out of touch.

>> i don't think i'm that bad. >> you're likeable enough, hillary. >> thank you. >> we need to help elect barack obama our president. >> i'm proud that she will be our next secretary of state. >> despite our hard-fought primary, we had such agreement on what needed to be done for our country. >> made for tough debates, by wait. we could never figure out what we were differed on. >> yeah, we worked that pretty hard. >> the president and mrs. clinton have always worked through their differences. and i'm sure they'll do so again. but it's fascinating how some of the right have tried to gem this up into a feud of epic proportions. >> hillary clinton wants to divorce herself from barack obama. >> here comes hillary back stabbing obama. >> handle an not enemy from his and party. >> i think this is a bunch of

wishful thinking from some folks who have plenty of word about the gop in 2016. joining me now, jamaal simmons and dana milbank. thank you both for being here this evening. >> hi, reverend. >> good to be here. >> jamaal, the right wants it make this into a battle royale. is it? >> oh, i don't think it is. look, the reality is, senator, secretary, first lady, whatever title you want to put on her, can't be separated from barack obama just like she can't be separated from bill clinton. the one thing she has to do is stay focused on the few tour. of course she will have differences with barack obama. that's the nature of the game. but i think sort of like george h.w. bush back in 1988, she has it find a way to be focused on what her version of the future will be and not al gore in 2000 and try to separate herself from

the previous president. >> dana, you've been writing about this. what's your take on this. >> i think you need to keep this in a little bit of perspective, reverend. if we are looking at over all field of foreign policy views here, you've got in one end zone dick cheney who says, make war on anybody for any reason at all times. and then in the other extreme, also in the republican party right now, that's rand paul, who says, no international engagement under any circumstances against anybody. then i think the battle that is between clinton and obama here is sort of between the 40-yard lines. and certainly, hillary clinton has been more hawkish and i think she was staking out ground here. what it indicates is that she's feeling very confident about her primary prospects and getting a challenge of not getting a serious challenge, and is looking ahead to the general election. i think that's why you see karl rove trying to drive that wedge.

because she's reacting with confidence, here. >> now jamaal, let's get real. a lot of people feel this was calculated. a lot of people feel she was measuring how far she could distance herself from the president and run back and hug. was this calculated? is this the old alleged clinton kind of having it both ways, moving, whether it be true or not? that was the reputation that was built up in some circles about the clintons? >> i think the only people who know that are the people in the room. i don't feel like this was really something that calculated. i think she was trying to get a perspective out in the atlantic. i think among a lot of foreign policy people, there are some questions about the presidents don't do stupid stuff statement. and a lot of debate about that, among the foreign policy elite. so the entire atlantic article was more thoughtful. but i was watching that video you showed of those scenes in

the primary and it was taking me back -- some of it was fun and some not so fun. >> you had more hair and dana had less beard. but let me ask you, dana, your take on this, you've watched and covered this a while. after all, she didn't have to do the atlantic monthly article. >> no. >> she didn't have to talk to her right wing writer like goldburg. she's not at all not aware that just not doing the interview, which she didn't have to do as former secretary of state, she could say, i'm not questioning anything. i'm leaving it to my successor, just doing it raises questions of was this calculating. >> i think so. like when i first saw the interview, i said, haha, there is classic clinton try angulation, trying to find middle ground between the bush

years and obama years. but then the way she walked that back, it makes one wonder, maybe she wasn't being so calculating after all and in fact, she sort of stepped in it and put too fine a point on something that was consistent with what she said before but hadn't said it as sharply. but it appears to have worked out well for her. in that clip you saw, she has excellent product placement for her book and is generating more attention to her book tour. >> rev, let's be clear about something for a second. which is it is not in her interest to separate herself from president obama. he is very popular with the democratic base. so whatever may be existing in poll numbers nationally, that's not true among core democratic voters. and she needs those voters to turn out. >> are they planning a 2016 general election strategy. and even there, if there isn't a turn out, that's a big problem. >> absolutely. you still need them. >> dana, paul waldman at

washington post, points out that mrs. clinton's comments weren't so shocking. he write if people didn't have such short memories, they wouldn't be so surprise by it. hillary clinton has been a liberal or social and economic issue. but much more of a moderate or even a conservative when it comes to foreign policy. so why are people shocked? shocked that she has a different view on some issues, dana? >> and she outlined it in great detail in her book. i think probably if she hadn't had the one line about don't do stupid stuff, don't be an organizing principle, if she hadn't said that, probably nobody would have that conversation here. it looks, given the way she walked it back, that she did say it more sharply than she intended to in the first place. >> but that line that dana just quoted was sharply responded to by david axelrod, my colleague,

jamaal, which also kind of fueled this whole perception of a fight. >> absolutely. that too kind of took you back to the old days of people sparring back and forth. but i think that -- if anything, axelrod probably thought, just in case, let me just fire a shot back across the bow so they understand where the lines are here. and let's keep this fight focused on the republicans and not focus owned each other. >> all right. i have to leave it there. i wish you guys were in the same studio. i'd have you hug just to show us -- >> i would if i were there. >> jamaal simmons and dana milbank, thank you for your time this evening. >> thank you. >> back firing, wait until you see the affect of all that lawsuit and impeachment talk. and the ice bucket challenge for charity is sweeping the nation. who challenged president obama? you'll want to see this one.

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it's back firing. a new poll shows all the talk of lawsuits and impeachment is motivating democrats more than republicans. on impeachment. 60% of conservatives say impeachment would make them more likely to vote republican. but 74% of liberals say more it

would motivate them more to vote democratic. when it comes to speaker boehner's bogus lawsuit against the president, 63% of conservatives said motivates them more to vote republican but 72% of liberals say it motivates them to vote democrat. so liberals are 9% more motivating. but this is the big one. look at this. 1 in 5 conservatives say both issues would make them more likely to back fire a democrat in 2014. i guess americans have the same appetite for red meat than gop has been serving up their tea party base. joining me now is xm radio host joe madison. and democratic strategist margie omeara. thank you for being here. >> thank you, reverend sharpton.

>> why is that for republicans? >> i think they simply fail to realize that as your last guest said how popular president obama is in the democratic party. now national polls are different thing. but when it comes to the democratic base and the fact that i think people are just absolutely tired of they have used everything from birtherism to religion to you know, some doctor saying that michelle obama was fat and didn't like america. they're tired of it. and then here's the other problem. of all the things we have to deal with in the next two years, and a president who's not going to run for any elective office probably ever again in his life, why would you waste the last two years of his presidency in the

next two years wasting money and time impeaching. that's why you see this and the radical reformist that republican party did too much talking. loose lip sink ships. hats what caused this problem within the republican party. >> margie, you know, it is one thing to try and motivate your base. but is there any republicans among swing votes too when it comes to moderates, 50 to 25%, twice as many, the numbers are similar when it comes to impeachment. 49% say they would vote democrat versus 27% who said they would vote republican. margie, how might the democrats use this data?

>> well, i think it points to republican poverty that is consistently going against what the people want. this is another example. i don't see how they have a short term gain here as those numbers show. i don't see a long term gain here either. they are consistently less popular as a party than democrats and the long-term real damage is that you have a loss of faith and confidence in all of our institutions. that goes -- it transcends party lines, goes across the board, across america. that's the real damage here that all of these things, whether impeachment or lawsuit, shut down, debt ceiling showdowns, vacation criticism, all of that really shows that you have a lot of people in washington who are just there to play politics and not really to get hard work done. >> you know, now republican congressman is saying impeachment talk is a democratic conspiracy. watch this.

>> it looks like one thing perfectly clear, the only people who want impeachment more than the right wing of the republican party is the entire democrat party. they are desperate for impeachment. they would love to be able to talk about impeachment and immigration between new and the november elections instead of talking about jobs and the economy and health care. they are desperate to change the dialogue, which is exactly why you heard the president starting to talk about amnesty because he is beg tock impeached. let's not fall no a trap when he is begging to be impeached. >> he is just begging to be impeached. i mean, is the gop trying to have it both ways here, joe? >> can that be the dumbest thing that you've of heard anybody say? that here is a president -- look. you know what's so crazy, here we are sending, what, men and women back into iraq, into harm's way. as if the president doesn't have

a thousand things and this country doesn't have a thousand things to worry about. but you know what, that same congressman should have been at the national action network. was it two years ago? and i said at that time, that if this -- if he wins, this election which you know he did, the next step is going to be impeachment. this is -- and you've got the tape. this is something they created, they created this so now what happening, it's back firing on them and they are trying to flip the script as if the president want to spend the next two years and trial in the united states senate. it is the dumbest thing. and it's their way of really trying to flip the script and the row areality is that people are voting to plan to go to the polls but voting with their

money. these are big donors. >> let me do this. we are running out of time. one thing with you, margie, the republican national committee is going after the president for his vacation in martha's vineyard. watch this. >> president is enjoying vacation. >> 17-room property. >> exclusive 10 acres. >> almost impossible to get to the basketball court. >> only a few people have access to it. >> infinite pool. >> remarkable he got here and on the golf course in almost record time. he was already hitting off the first tee. >> now, so far margie and his presidency, president bm obama's taken 129 days of vacation. at the same point in his presidency, president george w. bush had taken 407. where was the outrage then,

margie? >> i don't know. at this rate people will start criticizing him for eating. a lot of these folks would rather play the same thing with that quote. they prefer, in reno, where they are playing politics rather than getting real things done. >> margie, joe, i have to leave it there. thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> up next, chilling out for a good cause. the ice bucket challenge. that is helping people to help others. stay with us. (son) oh no... can you fix it, dad? yeah, i can fix that. (dad) i wanted a car that could handle anything. i fixed it! (dad) that's why i got a subaru legacy. (vo) symmetrical all-wheel drive plus 36 mpg.

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we're back with breaking news from furgason. nbc affiliate in st. louis reports the body of michael brown has been returned to his family. a preliminary autopsy shows he died as a result of gunshot wounds. a second autopsy is still planned. these are emotional things. but we need peace in the streets. michael brown's father, talked about that yesterday. >> i need all us to come together and do this right, the right way. the right way, so we can get something done about this. no violence, man. >> the nation wants and needs answers in this michael brown shooting. but we also have to recognize that problems surrounding the case goes back decades.

in 1980, the town of furgason, missouri was 85% white. and just had 14% black. 30 years later, the ratio has nearly flipped. furgason is now 29% white and 67% black. things have changed. but not as the cop. the mayor and police chief are both white. city council is just 16% african-american. police department, 6%. and school board, 0%. that's right, none of the board members are black, even though nearly 80% of the kids in the school district are african-american. in furgason, the poverty rate is worse than the national average. so is the unemployment rate. too many people in furgason have lost hope. they feel powerless and feel like they can't improve their lives. and their communities like furgason all over this country. we are seeing this frustration

and anger also boil over in cities like chicago, with shootings reaching a crisis level. so yes, we need justice for michael brown. but we also need a larger conversation about the factors that are crippling communities like furgason and we need to make changes and policy for justice. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. hall starts right now. >> hug it out. let's play "hardball." good evening. let me start tonight with separation anxiety. for the past two nights we covered the obama/clinton political tap dance. first hillary clinton interviewed in the atlantic in which she criticized obama's