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i know, i think i hadn't mentioned it before, i -- at that point the officer was a white man, probably around 40, he would not give me his badge number, he forced us into a police officer. it was intended to be for two individuals, there were three of us in there. two reporters and a pastor that had been arrested. it was an extremely -- the mentality was extremely disturbing. >> ryan riley from the huffington post arrested tonight by police in ferguson missouri. subsequently released, joining us on the phone, thank you, ryan, i really appreciate it. that is all in for this evening, the rachel maddow show starts right now. >> good evening, chris, that was amazing, i think we're going to be speaking with another journalist who was just arrested in the same -- what appears to be sweep in ferguson coming up
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in a couple minutes here. thanks to you for joining us this hour. there's a lot going on in the news right now, in domestic news, we're going to have the latest in a live report from ferguson missouri, in a moment. we're hoping to be speaking with another journalist who appears to be arrested for unknown reasons by the local police in the middle of protests there. the upset and the protests continue in ferguson tonight over the police shooting in that city this weekend, what's happening tonight includes, aparentally just a massive, massive over the top apparent police response to demonstrations tonight, we have some pretty incredible footage and live interviews from there, that's coming up in a moment. some of that stuff we're getting fed in and still producing, the white house today sent up some signal 234r5irs suggesting that president obama may be about to take a really controversial, really big step. as they say, the president plans
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to return early to washington from his vacation, that's a big deal with the white house. there's a lot going on right now, we're going to be talking about all of that tonight. meanwhile, as all of those stories and also frankly as robin williams' tragic death earlier this week, keeping the country focused on domestic matters. meanwhile, as a nation, we have appeared to have just started a major u.s. military engagement. this all started on june 16th, with this notice to congress that president obama was sending 275 u.s. troops back into iraq. in this notice he said he was sending those troops to protect u.s. personnel and the u.s. embassy in iraq. that was june 16th, 10 days after that, june 26th, another notification, 300 more u.s. troops. these ones to work with iraqi forces fighting sunni militants in that country. then four days after that
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another notice to congress. the president sending 200 further troops. and this time that additional deployment also including american aircraft getting sent back into iraq. that was june 30th. three separate notices. and then it happened again. august 8th, another notice to congress, it was this past friday. more u.s. troops going into iraq. but this time, in the president's notice to congress, there was no number of troops specified. that notification was on friday, it did not give a number for how many more troops the president was sending back to iraq, the white house told us today that the additional 130 u.s. marines and special operations troops that were sent to northern iraq yesterday those 130 troops make up at least part of what the president meant in that friday letter to congress, the one that had no numbers. the national security council gave us the statement about this today, we're going to put it up on our website tonight if you want to read their full statement about the number of
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troops that the president meant and the fact that these ones that arrived in northern iraq yesterday were included in that number. and now how many more american troops are going to be sent back into iraq under that most recent notice? we have no idea. again, the president's notification did not give a number, we know it's at least 130 because that's what's there now. and there's no ceiling. the overall clarity that we've got is that the trajectory is pointing up. u.s. military aircraft supporting this mission in iraq are no longer going to be flying missions off an american aircraft carrier parked in the persian gulf. as of today, the u.s. aircraft are based on land in iraq, they're now based at an air field in northern iraq. taken all together, we've now got nearly 1,000 u.s. troops serving in iraq again this administration has taken great pains to say that this
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escalating redeployment of u.s. troops in iraq, they have taken great pains to say this will not be a boots on the ground operation. chuck hagel gave marines at camp pendleton that exact assurance yesterday. >> this is a combat boots on the ground operation. we're not going to have that kind of operation. >> that's what chuck hagel said yesterday, that was yesterday, though. and apparently today, it's a u.s. combat boots on the ground kind of operation. the pentagon confirming tonight through an anonymous u.s. defense official that a team of fewer than 20 u.s. military personnel did hit the ground today in iraq, at mt. sinjar, where civilian refugees have been trapped by isis militant fighters. in addition to helping iraqi forces that are supposed to be helping those militant and in addition to direct air strikes, u.s. troops have also in recent days begun dropping food and
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water and supplies to those trapped civilians. have you seen any of the footage of those drops? the footage of them dealing with civilians on this mountain. these are not just being done by the u.s.? it's the u.s. and iraqi and kurdish forces as well. the footage is amazing. you can see. look out the window, you can see the poor people on the ground scrambling to try to get these supplies being dropped from the helicopters. when the aircraft have landed they have been swamped by these people desperately trying to get on the aircraft to try to get out, kids, elderly, to get out people who are not going to survive on that mountain. >> reporter: after giving them food, the crew picked out a handful of people to take off this mountain.
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these were hard choices. eventually it was too much for the pilot who changed his mind. he would not leave any of them behind so they all rushed on board. sadly, the first takeoff attempt failed. we were too heavy. five have to get off. the young man, the obvious choice. an older man said a stoic farewell to his family and went down the ramp. the weight difference was just enough. to the relief of all on board, we took to the air. this was a life saving flight for these people, and their emotions were all too plain to see. they had survived more than a week on a baron losty island hunted by bigots who want to wipe them out. the pilot a hero, came back to check his handiwork on his last
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mercy mission on a long day. this helicopter has the capacity for 15 passengers. i counted more than 50 on board. >> yesterday an iraqi pilot was killed when too many people climbed aboard the chopper he was piloting and it crashed. this was the incident in which the famous new york times correspondent was hurt. you may have heard about this yesterday. alyssa rubin was on that chopper along with some other journalists, including a time magazine photographer who took these images from the crash site. what they were doing there, that was intended to be an air relief effort for these refugees. what the aircraft crashed what you have now is literally a boots on the ground effort. air campaigns have a way of not becoming air campaigns. whether it'sed support forces to keep aircraft flying safely, there's some sort of crash or
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unforeseen circumstance. even bombing campaigns, but especially relief efforts that you attempt to mount from the air, they have a way of sometimes and somehow ending up on the ground the united states has announced today that the military has moved tilt rotor to the iraqi air base, they're massive vehicles. the aircraft can fly like a plane before it tilts its rotors back again. >> isis militants on the ground are not thought to have the kind of firepower that could shoot down f-18s or other fighter aircraft like these ones taking off from the deck of the george h.w. bush today. it is thought to have the capability to at least try to shoot down helicopters.
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the british have announced they're sending some massive chinook helicopters. we are also sending ospreys. it is not a combat operation. but in the event that the awful event that one of those aircraft go down, is it not a relief effort? with u.s. special forces and marines on the ground already today? the white house said today, there were not as many refugees on the mountain as they expected. maybe that's good news. the white house did say today, maybe the recommendations from this group, maybe the recommendations from these on the ground u.s. forces in iraq will be that the president should order u.s. ground troops there.
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the u.s. ground troops to clear the way for some sort of safe passage by land. in two months we have gone from zero to 1,000 troops to a new joint air base in iraq. the prospect of more to come. and who knows how much further this is going to go. this redeployment to iraq has all happened in exactly 59 days, that ends up being really important. 59 days ago, is when president obama sent the june 16th notification to congress that 275 troops were going back to iraq. that was 59 days ago. by now, we are now back in a big way. there was no number on the last notification is this overall redeployment? is this a slippery slope -- if
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this is a mission to protect u.s. personnel and assets and interest from this isis militant group, how do we know when that mission has been achieved. what does the u.s. have to do to isis. how long is this going to last, how much is it going to take? how many boots are going to be on the ground, how do we know it's over? the last notification that the president sent to congress did not include a number for how many troops he was sending, and the day after he sent that notification was the day after the president said i don't think we're going to solve the problem in weeks. i think this is going to take some time. how much time? at how much risk and how will we know when it's supposed to be over. so far, there's a lot going on in the world, i recognize it. this is being treated as a matter of international news the
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sort of interest americans may be interested in. we have just ended a major war. there's a law in our own country that says we're not just supposed to wonder about the wisdom of this, congress is supposed to ask those questions, debate them formally and vote. congress is supposed to make a decision about this. congress is. and the president said that notification to congress that he was sending those first u.s. troops back into iraq 59 days ago. the notification is a letter, addressed to the speaker of the house, and to the president proceed tem of the senate. look at the bottom, i am providing this report as part of my efforts to keep the congress fully informed, consistent with the war powers resolution. public law 93-148. the war powers resolution says that the constitution constrains
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the president from waging a war, waging a military operation on his own say so. article one section 8 says decisions about war and peace are decisions made by the congress not the president. the war powers resolution makes clear that yes the president can act with -- the president can respond to events around the world, he has the prerogative to send u.s. forces abroad on his own say so for a limited period of time. he can do that on his own say so as long as he notifies congress he is doing it, and then those forces cannot stay there doing that military operation for more than 60 days, at the end of 60 days, they don't get to stay there any more. unless congress votes that they can. u.s. troops are required by law to be withdrawn from hostilities within 60 days unless congress acts to approve them being there. that 60 days runs out tomorrow in iraq.
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and it's not like what the president has asked for in iraq is stay and contain. since that initial request, about 275 troops, the president sent another contingent of troops and another contingent of troops that today included them putting boots on the ground and setting up an air base in northern iraq. one senator democrat tim cane of virginia sent the white house a letter yesterday saying, i think congress ought to vote on this. congress needs to authorize this sort of thing, we ought to vote on it. it's one thing to send the letter to the white house, congress has to do it. congress is on vacation. congress is making no move at all in that direction. 60 days for the first authorization runs out tomorrow. in what is starting to look like america's new war in iraq. america's new war in iraq is now getting to the ground troops phase as of today. so far, no debate, certainly no vote, no authorization. it's just quietly happening in
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iraq, quietly escalating, it's happening again, we're back there, it's on again. and nobody expects that this congress is capable of having a good debate about this issue. nobody expects this congress is capable of having a good debate about anything. but if we are now back to up to 1,000 americans serving in iraq again. and we have just set up another new air base there and we have boots on the ground there. even a bad debate about that is better than just pretending this is not happening, and this is some other country's problem. this is a decision for the u.s. congress to make, not just something for them to complain about or crow about or write op eds about or ignore, they are actually supposed to vote on whether or not this happens. right now it is happening without them. whether you think this mission is a good idea or not, it is on constitutional auto pilot right now. which is an insult and in some ways a betrayal of the 1,000 americans who right now are
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unopposed, has no opponent in the democratic primary this month, and she has no opponent in the general election. senator chappelle has been out on the streets in her constituency a lot lately. she tweeted from a protest that same night. maria chappelle nadal represents the town of ferguson, missouri where police shot and killed an unarmed teenager saturday. michael brown was one of maria's constituents. it's important to know who she is, she will not see senator nadal in this next clip, but you will hear her voice, check this out. >> wanted to know if i'm going to be gassed against like i was on monday night. and i was peaceful. >> i know, i know, i know. >> we couldn't get out. and we were peacefully sitting. i just want to know if i'm going to be gassed again. >> i hope not. >> i really hope not either.
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>> and i'm your state senator? >> that was the chief of police in ferguson, missouri today. taking questions from reporters and citizens, at a press conference, people ask for instance why the department needed to bring out armored vehicles, handed down from the u.s. military. >> people are using bombs now. pipe bombs, so forth. >> there's been no indication of bombs at any of these protests, even though there definitely has been some looting, violence and things have been rowdy at some of these events, there have been no bombings reported. we're not sure what the chief is referring to there, or if he's referring to the possibility of bombings in general. people today also asked whether the body of michael brown has been released to the family. the body had been released and that the police department was working with the naacp and the family. whether the police department has video of the shooting, the
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chief said they do not. we've seen some speculation this week that there may be dashcam footage of the shooting. they explained today that the department has received eye grant for a few cameras this year, but they have not yet installed them. nothing like that was at operation on the scene saturday. what people asked about several times, the question that kept coming up over and over again in different forms was this. city and police officials issued a statement saying they mourned the loss of michael brown's life, they also said that people upset about it, should limit their protests to daylight hours. we ask that any groups wishing to assemble in prayer or protest do so in daylight hours in an organized and respectful manner, we ask all those wishing to demonstrate and assemble to disburse well before the evening hours. whatever officials in ferguson missouri meant by that notice, the message does not seem to have come through very clearly.
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>> there's not a curfew. i don't know where that came from. >> protesting -- >> we like the protesting to end at dark, just because it's as you probably know, it's just been unsafe after dark. >> today protests began in broad daylight in ferguson missouri. in the last couple hours, we started to get these images back from the town, pretty remarkable images. girls out dancing in the street, one of the protests calling for justice for michael brown, christine from the huffington post tweeted this out today. you have broad daylight, protesters, some of them holding signs, some of them listening to koss pell music, chanting, the people united will never be defeated. on the other side, this was the police turnout. the police in full riot gear, full s.w.a.t. gear, enormous armed vehicle, police had guns, including from the top of the
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vehicle as you see there, trained directly on the crowd. not pointed up, like you might do just for deterrence, but pointed at the protesters, it's not clear what about this daylight protest caused police to call out the infantry or something that looks like a striker brigade combat team for this event. the news tonight is looking at ferguson. state senator had herself been arrested at the protest. the state senator herself tweeted back a cheerful response, no, she had not been arrested. i wasn't arrested, i'm on the street. she tweeted back cheerfully she was still there. but ryan riley of the huffington post got picked up by police, and then ultimately released, he did an interview this past hour, the s.w.a.t. force invaded the mcdonalds where he was trying to send out a report and charge his phone. he was there along with wesley lowery with the washington post. officers decided we weren't leaving mcdonald's quickly
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enough and we shouldn't have been taping them. he tweeted from the scene that officers slammed him into a soda machine, because he was confused about which door they wanted him to walk out of. wesley was detained and released, he said there were no charges filed against him, and he says there will be no police report. the chief thought he was doing you a favor. the police officer told him about being released. this is day four of the conflict in ferguson missouri since michael brown was killed by a police officer there. and thus far, it does not feel like the conflict is getting better. from the scenes in the street up to and including the armored vehicle with a cop on top with his gun trained at peaceful protesters in broad daylight today, up to and including that today, it feels like this is getting worse. joining us now is wesley lowery, he was detained tonight by the police, just released while he was covering the situation in ferguson. mr. lowery thanks for joining us. i appreciate you calling in. >> no problem. >> can you tell us the
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circumstances of why you were arrested and then why you were release released. >> i don't want to say too much other than what i've put out on twitter already. i will put this out here, is that we were working with mcdonald's, for those who aren't here in ferguson, it's about two blocks away from ground zero, from the gas station that was burned down to where these protests were going on. it's been the media center. they have outlets and internet. a lot of reporters have been dropping in there to charge up, grab food, that sort of thing. armed officers, some kind of normally dressed, others in this riot and s.w.a.t. gear. initially saying, you all should leave, you should get out of here, and eventually, someone was saying, can we say what's going on? are you closing the mcdonald's, eventually they said we can ensure your safety, if you stay, we're not going to answer your
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911 calls. after that, they decided they were going to forcibly remove us, as i tried to pack up my bag, i left my phone video record, which an officer took exception to and told me to stop taping. i did not as i was packing my bag and videotaping with one hand he was angry i was not moving fast enough, i put my backpack on and tried to move out. i turned around the corner, i said, my car is here am i going to be able to move my car. they directed me toward one door. i encountered another officer who directed me to another door. i said, officers, where would you like me to go? at that point my bag fell off my shoulder. and i said i'm going to need a second to fix my bag. and they slammed me up against
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the soda machine and put me in ties and escorted me outside. >> did you identify yourself as a reporter? >> my credentials were on my neck. >> were you hurt? >> not in any real way. by my standards i call it assault, i have been out here all week i was not hurt. >> in the circumstances under which you were arrested and you were reporting before then, is it your sense that the -- what looks to be a military style police response is getting more agro over time or is this what it looked like all week and this is fairly static? >> i arrived on monday afternoon, and this is what it's looked like since i arrived. >> in terms of you feeling like you didn't know how to avoid arrest in this circumstance, do you think that has been the case with other protesters and other people who have been arrested and detained by police in these circumstances? what's striking about your account and ryan's is that it
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seems like you weren't trying to get arrested. you were trying to do your jobs, police gave you no way to avoid being arrested. >> i think that is accurate. listen, i went to ohio university, which for a long time was the top party school in the country. we had these street fests that sometimes turned into riots. i covered crime scenes in boston and los angeles and d.c. i don't take pride in the fact that i've never been arrested. i was never looking to get arrested. i've been in a lot of scenarios with heavily armed police officers, been in a lot of scenarios where journalists could get arrested. i think we're also trying to avoid being taken into custody. i would rather be out on the street right now talking to protesters trying to tell this story and no disrespect to you, but not sitting here talking on the phone about me. >> wesley lowery, report ever with the washington post, detained tonight in ferguson, missouri, in this intense police
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countdown, i was told i had 45 seconds, 30 seconds. pack up all my stuff and leave. i was then -- when i -- basically, he arrested me. it was just a terrible experience. the worst part is, he slams my head against the glass purposely on the way out of the mcdonald's and sarcastically apologized for it. >> that was ryan j. riley from the huffington post speaking to chris hayes. he was arrested and released tonight, along with washington post reporter wesley lowery, who we just spoke to on this program. they were manhandled a bit while arrested. neither said they were hurt, neither one of them was seeking to get arrested, they were both arrested while covering the protest tonight in ferguson, missouri. joining us now is liz brown. an attorney and columnist for the st. louis american. i appreciate your time tonight. >> thank you, rachel. >> the police in ferguson today asked for protests to only
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happen during daylight. from the outside it doesn't seem like the temperature is dropping, the authorities are reallidy fwuzing anything, what's your sense of how things are right now. >> my sense is that -- if we start with talking about just that direction, protesters are not supposed to assemble after dark, it's kind of baffling, it is a direction that i think that will lead to more problems, and it's baffling because how do the police officers explain themselves in terms of -- what, you can't do your job at night? police officers can't work at night? if you put it in an historical context, this is an area, a part of the country that at one time had places called sundown towns. and they were places where african-americans could not be after sundown. so there's a historical context to this, and an illogical
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anti-constitution component to this as well. we have a right to free assembly, all of these actions together. all of these components together can only lead to more problems with people and the police. >> where do you think this goes? where do you think this ends. we're going to have some developments in the case, there will have to be a decision by the prosecuting attorney at one level, whether or not there will be charges brought in the killing of this young man. we'll probably hear more from eyewitnesss and more of the police side in terms of what they say happened at this event. that stuff will trickle out, but what do you think is going to happen in the community and between the police particularly when we see these continuing four days of stand-offs now between people on the street and cops in armored vehicles? >> well, when the police continue to give directions that leave people no option, i think there's going to be continued
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problems within the community. we have -- i mean, the possibility of making certain that someone is going to be indicted on this, people are looking for that. and they're looking to the county prosecuting attorneys office. the challenge with the county prosecuting attorney's office from the communities perspective is, the county's prosecuting attorney's office needs to be examined the same way that the ferguson police department would. the ferguson department has 53 police officers, three african-american. the prosecuting attorneys office also reflects similar numbers, so what faith or what faith can the community have in a determination coming from the prosecutes attorney's office that there will be a fair examination and a factual examination and an honest examination of what happened with the killing of mike brown? >> are there issues beyond specifically the newumerical
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diversity in the prosecutors office that have led to concerns in the community about whether or not this prosecutor can be counted on to bring justice in a racially charged case like this? >> from my own experience, like you said, i'm an attorney, and one of the first jobs i applied for was prosecutoring attorney in the county -- prosecuting attorney's office, when i applied, they were interested in me, and they wanted to hire me, but they said to me, now, liz, if we give you this job, you have to understand that there may -- you may hear people using the n word, are you okay with that? so that gives you kind of the sense of the atmosphere of that office. so should we have -- can we have faith in that? it remains to be seen. and you also can look at the history of the prosecuting attorney's office in terms of the african-americans they allow to serve on the journey. they have been challenged again
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and again with the strikes they use to keep african-americans from serving on the journey. in order that the prosecuting attorney gets a conviction, that's their practice, that's what buzz taught bob mccullough and that office. so what can we expect? i think it's problematic? >> columnist for the st. louis american providing some very disturbing and helpful context in understanding this. thanks very much for being with us. >> lots ahead tonight. stay with us. ♪ [music] jackie's heart attack didn't come with a warning. today her doctor has her on a bayer aspirin regimen to help reduce the risk of another one. if you've had a heart attack be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen.
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president obama of course is on vacation this week, but given the state of the world this has turned out to be more of a working vacation than true time off. take monday, for example, the president was technically on vacation, he came out at around 5:00 monday afternoon to deliver a formal statement about the latest developments in iraq, earlier in the day, he had a briefing with his national security adviser susan rice, brought a range of topics including gaza, that morning the president held a phone call with the italian prime minister to discuss the ebola outbreak. also a conversation with the president of ukraine, to discuss
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a possible russian invasion of ukraine. he's been able to conduct all this high level business from the confines of his rented martha's vineyard vacation home. even though his vacation goes until next sunday, the 24th of august. the white house has announced now, that president obama is going to be leaving martha's vineyard early. he's leaving this sunday the 17th to return to the white house. and it's a mystery at this point as to why the president is returning to washington in the middle of his vacation, they're not saying why, congress is out of town, it's not like there's any pending legislation they're trying to get through that they'll have to sign. the supreme court has ended its current session. the president has been able to do all this high level national security stuff from vacation. why does he have to come back to d.c.? in the news industry, one of the things that often happens is that someone gets a tip or hears a rumor that some big thing is
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about to happen or some big political decision is about to be made. different news outlets have different sources in different places. sometimes when you try to report out that tip, sources in the government with direct knowledge about that rumored thing they'll essentially try to waive you off of it, this thing you're hearing is not right. even if they're not willing to tell you that on the record, they'll essentially nudge you away from something. if they feel like you're barking up the wrong tree, that is a way to trick the media out of covering a real story. when it's not a trick, it can be a real indication that the rumors are wrong. and the same principle applies in reverse. the same principle applies when the rumors are not wrong. sources go out of their way to knock, waive you off of what you'll be hearing, they won't confirm this thing you heard. they won't scream bloody murder about how wrong it is. that's not on the record reporting, in this business, it is often the indication you are looking for that you in fact are on the right track. right now the country and the political world have been
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waiting to see what president obama is going to do on immigration. what he intends to do to change the immigration system on his own. immigration system on his own by executive action without congress. this is one of those case where is the scuttlebutt that he's going to do something really big and dramatic on this issue, those rumors are not being met with hair on fire denials and aggressive waving off by people in the position to know. in fact, quite the opposite. immigration advocates have been pushing president obama to go big. they're looking for him to defer deportation for millions of immigrants, to basically shut down the deportation system for anybody who doesn't have criminal involvement. the republican response to that prospect has been to argue not that they don't want to president obama to make that policy change, but that he can't make that sort of change. they said it would be illegal if he tried. house speaker john boehner said
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if president obama took that action, he would be sealing the deal on his legacy of lawlessness. and while those two sides battle it out publicly, the go big side and that would be illegal side, democratic groups that are close to the white house now seem to be quietly greasing the skids to prepare america for the possibility the white house is going to do something big. the huffington post saying the democrats lay the ground work for president obama to take major action. they released a memo explaining what that would mean, defending the president's right to do it. they debunk the conservative argument that this president has taken more executive action than his predecessors, he hasn't. in 1987, ronald reagan eased
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deportation for 200,000 people from nicaragua or in 1990 when deportation was eased for chinese students. republican and democratic presidents on their own have taken executive action to change the immigration system, to defer deportation for undocumented immigrants who are already here. the same thing president obama is reportedly now considering and that pro-immigrant groups are encouraging him to do on a very large scale. this has the feel of democrats laying the ground work for something big that's about to happen and it happens at the same time the president is about to jet back to washington for something they won't say what in the middle of his summer vacation. what's going on here and who knows about it? joining us is somebody who might. brad woodhouse, supporting the
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idea of president obama taking big-time action here, the former communication director for the dnc. >> thank you for having me. >> is it fair for me to describe you as well connected, as being on the same wavelength as the white house on this? >> well, i think so. look, the president sent these signals. it's pretty obvious that, especially in the aftermath of this fiasco of john boehner and the republican house leaving town, unable to do their own border package. then he comes to the podium and says the president may have to take his open action. then they pass a bill to deport everyone indiscriminately. and then left the president no choice. john boehner said, unprecedented lawlessness. we're an organization that really dives into research and facts, and we're like, wait a minute, that doesn't sound right. some of us were alive when ronald reagan took action on
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immigration, when george h.w. bush, when george bush did it. so we went about it, it turned out to be not hard, but we're trying to lay the ground work. we want to provide this president, the white house, democrats, immigration groups, what they need to make the case. because what they've said about this president and executive action is wrong. not to mention the fact that their position on immigration is wrong and is hurting them in the party. >> are you as an organization advocating that the president do that or do you think that president obama is about to do that and there store you're trying to sort of texture the ground ahead of him so that it lands in a more advantageous way? >> i think there's a little bit of both. we as an organization, you know, do support immigration reform. i think democrats nearly across the board support action. congress, we believe, should take action. i think we've all believed that. it's clear this congress won't.
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john boehner is literally strangled by the tea party. john boehner and the republicans that created a perfect storm. in fact, i think it's going to set the republicans back quite a bit politically with this community and it's going to be a real problem going into 2016. >> it's going to be fascinating to see how big the president does decide to go if he's going to do this. they said we would hear by the end of the summer. >> getting close. >> thank you very much for being with us. i freesappreciate it. more ahead on the situation in ferguson, missouri. stay with us. we'll be right back. so what's this?
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we have more breaking news tonight from ferguson, missouri, where police today responded to a peaceful demonstration with riot gear and s.w.a.t. gear with an armored vehicle. is within the last hour, msnbc has spoken with two reporters who were arrested in ferguson while reporting on the protest this tonight. ryan jay riley from the huffington post and leslie lowery from "the washington post." those reporters are post detained and roughed up, but then released. then moments ago, police began firing tear gas into another protesting crowd in ferguson. this picture comes from christina coleman from kfdk. our reporter john swayne sends
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this picture. he says police are telling people they must leave immediately, that what's going on right now in ferguson is no longer a peaceful protest. we're on day four in ferguson and from the clouds of tear gas, this does not seem to be ratcheting down. there's much more now on the situation in ferguson tonight from "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." good evening, lawrence. >> rachel, those reporters who got hit with hear gas are going to join us. so police now are arresting reporters in ferguson, missouri. one of those reporters who was arrested will join me, as will one of the reporters who has been hit with tear gas. >> two reporters in ferguson, missouri were arrested. >> evidently, i was not moving quickly enough. >> for not leaving a mcdonald's. >> every night there are cops all