all right. let's get a check on the day ahead. former florida governor will hit the trail to campaign for current governor rick scott. scott faces his predecessor charlie crist coming up this november. president bush will return to the white house on sunday. president obama heads back to the vineyard on tuesday. that is going to do it for a friday edition of "way too early." good show, everybody! good week. it would be better if it were payday friday. it is not! "morning joe" starts right now. ! ♪ i grew up here and this is my community and my home. therefore, it means a lot to me personal that we break this cycle of violence and diffuse the tension and build trust showing the utmost respect for every interaction with every

citizen. i understand the anger and fear that the citizens of ferguson are feeling and our police officers will respect both of those. good morning. it's friday, august 15th. it's good to have you with us. we have got a huge show today. willie, i mean, this is night of a thousand stars. remember that back in the '70s? you would have william shatner singing "strawberry fields forever." this is what we are going to have here except different. no trapeze and instead of william shatner, we have al sharpton, right? we have the governor of missouri on. this is big. we got katty kay here washington anchor for bbc and mike barnicle and host of msnbc "politics nation," and president of the national action network, let's introduce the hardest working man in show business, reverend al sharpton.

in d.c., "the new york times" reporter jeremy peters. he keeps going. >> he really does." on martha's vineyard, julie pace. get to our thousand guests in one second. what a day yesterday. did you see this ice bucket thing? it was, like, look at this. look! look! they keep coming! louis bergdorf comes in, this is all for als and because a lot of people around here just apparently don't like me. there is mike barnicle coming with yet another! it was unbelievable! bobby jindal did this all for a good cause, lou gehrig's disease, als. it's just not fun. >> that's a lot of eyes. >> it's a lot of pent-up stuff. >> there is. >> so that's a release for young louis. >> kate and jackson and everybody getting into it. >> i love the way kate did one extra bucket after everyone else had finished. >> unbelievable. >> we were challenged by bobby

jindal and mika and i have given -- are contributing to a really worthy cause. we challenged carole king and lyle lovett. lyle lovett, his answer to the call. i accept your challenge, a guy that moves fast. he got dunked as well. there is also another good tweet yesterday, willie. i like to get in more trouble before 6:02 a.m. in the morning than most people get in trouble all day. i talked about the two reporters that the police officers didn't think were moving fast enough. one of them tweeted this out and somebody sent this to me. tweeted this out a couple of hours later. shaking his head when he was younger and said, i thought we were cool, man. we're cool! >> it's a tight cut you got there. >> i know. my tweeted response was, no, there was absolutely nothing cool about my haircut. that was just absolutely awful.

>> ryan reilly, the "post" reporter. >> i told him he could dump water on my head and maybe my pennant for being dumb, every time i'm dumb. you better move. >> some people have a jet to see and you will have an ice bucket. >> all for a good cause, exactly. and lyle lovett is now challenging other people. a lot to get to, willie. let's hope some good news overnight in missouri. it looks like officials there finally doing the right thing. they actually have people walking with demonstrators instead of firing or aiming at the demonstrators. this is just crazy. it got way out of hand. >> yeah. change in leadership in the police and now a change in tone. last night in ferguson, missouri, there is hope that days of violent protests over the deadly police shooting of an unarmed teen may be coming to an end. the first time in five nights

police were not involved in heated clashes with demonstrators. protesters instead drove through the streets honking their car horns and others shared music and no reports of violence. the change came after democratic governor jay nixon put the highway patrol in control of security there. the governor vowed the change would bring a different tone after the unrest. >> what has gone over here the last few days is not what missouri or ferguson is about. this is a place people go to work and raise their families and go to church. a missouri community, a diverse community but lately looking like a war zone and that is unacceptable. to change that course we need to join hands and amend what is broken and help this community regain its confidence and stability literally the eyes of our nation and world are on us. >> there is state highway patrol ron johnson who walked with protesters in the streets and stopping to embrace many of them

to hear their concerns. president obama spoke publicly for the first time about the death of 18-year-old michael brown and the violence that ensued. the president saying there is no excuse for violence by or against police officers urging the community to come together. >> let's remember that we are all part of one american family. we are united in common values and that includes belief in equality under the law. a basic respect for public order, and the right to peaceful public protests. so now is the time for healing. now is the time for peace and calm on the streets of ferguson. now is the time for an open and transparent process to see that justice is done. >> reverend al, the president said all of the right things yesterday. he said there is no excuse for looting and there is no excuse for violence, there is no excuse for a lot of the bad actions that have taken place, but there is also no excuse for what we have seen from the

militarization of this community and we talked about it yesterday on the show. how can it be you can have a police officer that is disproportionately overwhelmingly white representing a community as diverse as ferguson? >> i think that is really a part of the issue that we really, really have to capture here. when the grandfather of michael brown called us last week and i talked to him and i agreed to go down, i went down right after the day of looting and we called for peace. the family went out. we had the first big rally and it built up and we were able to get people calm for one night. then the militarize of police force made it worse. >> you went down and called for calm and peace. there is peace, there is calm. >> tuesday night, yes.

>> what if, at that point you had other officials in that state following your lead and do exactly what the governor did yesterday and actually having somebody from the community like ron johnson. listen. it's not that tough. >> no, it's not. >> we are not talking about wats 1965. we are talking about ferguson, missouri. it seems like these police officers and these state officials had to bend over backwards to make a bad situation much, much worse. >> much, much worse. and what stunned me when i was leaving the church going back to the hotel, calm in the streets. and these police were like all over the place. i mean, i felt like we were in a war zone. this was tuesday night when there was no problems. it got even worse wednesday. but what i hasten to remind everyone is that when the reporters got arrested and everyone got upset, i don't want

people to forget the issue here is an unarmed young man that was killed, not just reporters arrested. i respect the reporters, one of them, i know, a great reporter, but let's not act like we solved the problem, because we now had the cop marching with the marchers. we still have an unarmed young man that was killed and the issue of that can't be lost in all of this. >> how can it be -- another thing we were talking about a lot about yesterday was wouldn't the people of ferguson feel better? wouldn't we all feel better if cops wore cameras? i talked to bill bratton about that. if every cop in america wore a camera we would know what happened in that altercation. it seems to me we said yesterday the only people who were hurt, because good cops aren't hurt by wearing cameras. the only good people -- i mean, the only people that are hurt by that policy are bad cops. >> i heard you say it in the

mornings and i think you're right, because the only ones that should object to that are bad cops and criminals. because now the criminal has no excuse and the bad cop has no excuse. i don't think most cops are bad like i don't think people in our communities are bad. we got to get rid of the bad ones on both sides. >> there's a couple of other things going on here that we really should think about as a country for quite sometime. one is cultural and the other is political. the cultural thing there is something deeply wrong with the culture where the vast majority of americans know more about the death of robin williams than they do about the death of michael brown. i mean, that young man's body was on the street for 10 to 15 minutes uncovered, unattended to. the public works department takes dogs off the street after they get it by cars faster. the other aspect of it is speaking about the military 6:00 of police departments, there were many, many members of the

ferguson, missouri, police department who were on the streets wearing better armament than young men who were sent to iraq in 2003. that's a fact. >> there is an incredible piece in "the daily beast" of a veteran of iraq talking about walking outside the wire in iraq more lightly armed a than what he saw on the streets in ferguson. he wasn't saying it to be cute or clever. he said i'm looking at what they are wearing and they have more heavy armament for nonviolent protests than they do in iraq. what have we learned from a policing standpoint? it strikes me watching this that things only escalated from this police presence. yes, they had to come out the first night. you can't tolerate looting and violence. >> looting is wrong. >> absolutely. if you treat people like criminals in some ways you'll have a confrontation. if you're shooting tear gas at people, they will respond. >> if they do that in any of our neighborhoods. >> of course. >> the first day, in the first day, i would go out and say get

the hell off of my street. >> you're right, joe, but don't forget if you're treating people like that that are grieving a young unarmed guy they knew that is dead. this is a kid supposed to go to college this month. i think what we are missing i want the governor to understand we are not out of this yet. we haven't even had the funeral. what happened when these kids see their friend laying in the casket? i've been through this more than one time. we are not out of the emotions because all of a sudden we had one good night of marching. what happens when that town has to look at the kid laying in the casket and say why is he dead? we have not approached how we stop this kind of use of excessive force if that is, in fact, what happened. we haven't even learned the name of the policeman yet. >> reverend, how many of these ferguson's are there around the country? >> i don't think it's something every day but i think it's a lot

more than we want to face. we have the choke-hold case in new york where a man 11 times on tape is saying i can't breathe and they keep an illegal choke-hold on him. i think it must cause a real dialogue to sit down and deal with it and sometimes we going to say things that we are uncomfortable with each other, but martin luther king iii and michael brown family and i have a big rally in ferguson on sunday. it's great they demilitarized the police but that doesn't solve the problem and we will be back here again if we don't deal with it. >> i think the cops in staten island wore cameras that tragedy wouldn't have happened. we have been talking about how the situation in ferguson has really been focused on the militarization of local police and it's brought together unlikely groups as diverse as

the aclu and warned about heavily armed police departments. senator elizabeth warren compared the scene to a war zone. senator rand paul wrote in eye time" magazine that we must demillize the police and same thing claire mccaskill said in the great press conference yesterday. if i had been told to get out of the street as a teenager there might be a distinct possibility i would have smarted off but i wouldn't expect to be shot. democratic senator claire mccaskill went to ferguson and she urged restraint. >> my goal over the last 24 hours has been to demilitarize the response. after 9/11 and sometimes knee-jerk fashion, we began equipping police departments with all kinds of tools that had not been typical of policing in this country and maybe it's time to look at all of that and make a determination as to how effective is a show of what is

military force. >> jeremy peters, i thought rand paul's op-ed yesterday was an important one. of course, i do as a republican because it was actually republican who seemed to show a little bit of empathy for this community and say some things that republicans on the national level unfortunately didn't say during the trayvon martin case, but now rand paul is saying. but the militarization of the local police across america, you've reported is causing some real concerns on both sides. >> i think what you're seeing here is a grappling inside the republican party with how to deal with this emerging strain of libertarianism. remember, this is the pear, the law and order party that richard nixon ran in 1968 as tough on crime running against democrats who were soft on crime and that has pretty much been the

republican party's legacy for the last couple of generations and now you have libertarian-minded candidates like rand paul out there saying, look, this is just too much. they see these militarized police forces and say this is everything that should make a conservative nervous about an overreaching state. and, of course, that is making a lot of people uneasy. now what rand paul has done that is really interesting that you haven't seen other republicans do is tie this into civil rights. what he said is, of course, african-americans are going to feel like they are attacked by society when you look at what has happened in ferguson. so whether or not republicans can kind of make those connections and have black voters believe them, believe them that they are sincere i think is an open question but you're starting to hear them talking about it in a way that eve you haven't heard. >> i wrote in politico it's nice for once to have a republican express concerns about the

property rights of african-americans as much as, let's say, a racist ranch owner in nevada. i think rand paul's column yesterday was a pretty important column, katty. you actually have the president and eric holder and rand paul and ted cruz came out yesterday also expressing concern about what going on there. a lot of people are actually starting to come together on this. >> yeah. the speed with which people have come together from both sides of the aisle has been noticeable if you think about the trayvon martin case and that took a little bit longer. let's go to julie pace up on martha's vineyard with the president. you were listening to what the president was saying yesterday and calling for peace. clearly in the context of what he was saying, also him, too, pointing a large degree of responsibility and putting it on the shoulders of the police in ferguson. >> yeah. if you listen to the president's

statement, for a while he was trying to talk to both sides of this. he said it's, obviously, out of bounds for there to be looting and violence against police bus his most pointed comments were pointed to the police themselves basically saying there is no excuse for excessive force. he did have to be careful. there is a lot we don't know about michael brown's death but what we do know about the fallout seems to be pretty clear that there are police officers that were using excessive force and when you talk to white house officials they say a couple of days this week, the president wanted to see if the local and state police that were involved in the situation could manage it themselves. it became clear to him late wednesday night that that was impossible and there was a real need on the white house's part to step in in some way, even if it's just with a presidential statement but to basically put their stamp on this matter and say this is this has just gone too far. >> it really was, willie. mike, we were looking at these still photos. it's insanity.

>> can we get one of those back up the one he is on top of -- you just showed. >> it looks like baghdad. i read somewhere yesterday and maybe, jeremy, you know more about this than me, but leaa lof this cape out of homeland security and excess pentagon supplies go to local police departments? i got to say, if somebody is in my neighborhood with that, i would walk up to them and say -- well, i can't say it on tv, but get the whatever out of my neighborhood now. >> i think one of the open questions here that -- >> go ahead. >> one thing i wonder if you'll see after ferguson is a push in state legislature, city councils to limit what the police departments are able to purchase. i think there is going to be a backlash. the question is how it's dealt with in a legal matter.

>> wow. >> in addition to that, jeremy i mean, the key to these shots we are showing you, the still photo we just showed, if you would take a police manual, reverend, in terms of how not to train a police department, you would be showing these as exhibit a how not to train them. they are aiming at the crowd. aiming at the crowd. nothing is going on other than a demonstration and they are aiming at the crowd. >> the sniper was aiming right at a nonviolent protest and i think that those are the things that are frightening and only further agitate this kind of hostility and, again, it only is real feelings for a man told to get out of the street. rand paul is right and all we were saying since last weekend. what did he do and why? i don't want that to get lost in

all of the cumbayah's that we are doing in ferguson now. >> if you look at the earlier video with the police lines up there. you know what happened yesterday? captain ron johnson the new head of command of this said there are no more police lines. the cops fall to the side and you can preserve the police and make sure there is no looting but people will walk peacefully. that is what they did. when they dropped the lines and put down the sniper weapons. the police had to come in and do something. there was looting and violence but it got way out of hand yesterday. >> julie pace, thank you very much. greatly appreciate it. jeremy, stay with us. >> thanks. still ahead on "morning joe," we are going to have missouri governor jay nixon. he'll be here and also a man who is going to be bringing his expertise to help the ferguson police this weekend, former chief of police for dekalb county, georgia, dr. cedric alexander. up next, robin williams' wife

drops a bombshell saying other actions may have contributed to robin williams death. and russian aid to ukraine. >> toys and cookies. >> toys and cookies. very big toys. let's bring in bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> good morning to you, joe. it looks like summer may never arrive in the great lakes. it's just been an unbelievably cool summer and temperatures 5 to 10 degrees every single day below average. look at this morning. if i showed you just this map, you'd probably tell me this was october. it is 38 degrees in cadillac, michigan. 37 degrees in land o lakes wisconsin. 51 in pittsburgh and the big cities, low 60s this time of the year. usually when it's hot and humid at night. in the middle of august is

unbelievable weather. there is a return of heat and humidity in the country this weekend. it's starting all right and with it showers and storms. if you're traveling through the central plains today, including areas of minneapolis all the way down to iowa you could dodge showers and storms. let me take you through your weekend forecast. starting with today, absolutely gorgeous afternoon. as good as it gets mid-atlantic into the northeast. the southeast not bad but florida will have typical storms. the one hot spot through the weekend is going to be san antonio, houston to dallas. about a hundred degrees each and every day. you have to feel for the football players who are out there and all of those sports teams on the field. showers and storms from the midwest will begin to arrive in the ohio valley in the northeast. not a washout. overall it looks like a pretty nice weekend. as we continue to deal more with fall in the northern half of the country than the middle of summer. you're watching "morning joe." we will be right back. ♪ ♪ ♪

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♪ let's take a look at the morning papers. this from the "l.a. times" speculation about robin williams and he problems with addiction. the widow said williams has beginning to experience parkinson's disease. he said robin's sobriety was impact and he was brave as he struggled with depression and anxiety and early stages of parkinson's disease which he was not ready to share publicly. police say williams took his own life in his home on monday. ukraine officials are concerned the aid convoy might support pro-russian rebels. they are checking all trucks in

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2015. but there is nothing official yet from the vatican. they don't put out the official word about a papal trip until six months beforehand so we have got a ways to go. >> maybe the pope coming to the states. don't you love that? don't you love that he travels in that? >> along with the dancing hamsters. he's a hip guy. >> he is very hip. >> we will be talking to father kevin o'brien from georgetown later in the show about the importance of this trip for the pope. the daily mail. a total of nearly 35,000 dollars was stolen from the accounts of passengers of missing flight mh-370. they transferred funds from the bank accounts of three passengers into the account of a fourth passenger. money was withdrawn in 5,000 increments until the accounts were empty. authorities have identified those behind the transactions but are garthering more evidenc

before they proceed. new york daily news. andrew cuomo was in the country to show solidarity with the jewish state. the tunnels they made to infiltrate israeli. he also met prime minister benefiting anyone maet benjamin netanyahu and sharon. "wall street journal." coca-cola will buy a stake in the energy drink company monster beverages for over $2 billion. the company looks to rebound while soda sales continue to slow. coke will acquire nearly 17% stake in monster but could increase that stake up to 25% the next four years. the energy drink stock was up

over 20% in after-hours trading yesterday. "usa today" a red 1962 ferrari was the most expensive car to be sold at an auction yesterday going for more than $38 million. the car was reinstructed by the italian automaker following a crash in 1962 which increased its value. it is 1 of only 39 of its type ever made. >> what is the monthly on something like that if you leaved it? 38 million. >> took them a long time -- >> work a deal with the format. >> 48 months or maybe 60 months. >> for 48 million i'll put in the floor matter for you is what the dealer told him. mika's mom will be featured in this weekend's "the washington post" magazine. a senior writer for the magazine interviewed emily brzezinski in her sculpture studio saying she is carving an international reputation with her family's

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dodgers win 6-4. minor league baseball. el paso chihuahua pitcher during an interview. look in the background. they are knockout punch and doing a sword fight. >> love it. >> a belgium team coach heads into the tunnel frustrated. take this! when we show the replay, watch the guy in the foreground, the bald guy with the glasses. gives you a little look like this. wait for it. that's just nice. >> you got to wait until you're back in the tunnel. coming up on "morning joe," outrage over the ferguson police's handling of protests there. police firing tear gas and rubber bullets into the crowd. things were more peaceful last night. we will talk about what happens

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op-eds. the optics of a national crisis. no matter what you hear about vacations and congressional breaks, august is never a slow news month. wars are launched and hurricanes strike and civil unrest unralves in the streets in ferguson, missouri. when president obama interrupted his vacation on thursday to speak about the crisis in iraq and ferguson he made sure to wear a jacket with an american flag pin on his lapel and speak sternly for the need for healing, peace, and calm.

but he started by talking about the optics. many americans have been disturbed by the images we have seen in the heartland of our country, ed, when something like this happens, the local authorities have a responsibility to be open and transparent. he added it was not an emotional statement, but it was a presidential one and that is what optics are all about. then he went to play golf. jeremy? >> well, i think gwynn is right. optics certainly do matter. i do think a little perspective is probably helpful here. we tend to get in the media rather applectic will presidents in news cycles like this and don't forget how much the media beat up on george bush for going on vacation. this is something we have seen before and i imagine with the next president, we will see again. >> the president should be able to go on vacations. this august one -- i got to say,

he's a cooler customer than me because i, you know, i think the second day in, i would have gotten nervous, we got to go back home. kids will say, what? >> there is never a day on his vacation he's had to deal with some other crisis. >> screw it, i'm going home. this was not meant to be. i don't know. i'd have trouble golfing. it's not a knock on this president or the last president. remember the last president said something about iraq and then said, hey, watch me hit this drive. no, no! no! >> this president didn't just release a statement. he did come out live and made a statement. >> that was good for him. >> and two on ferguson. i think he was on his post. >> he kneed to but you got to be able to compartmentalize really well. then we have rand paul. i thought rand paul's op-ed was fascinating. katty you were talking about it

before that rand paul is an interesting guy. he talked about the militarization of police but he also talked about how there is an uneven application of justice in america based on race and if you don't believe that, then you're not living in the real world. that's not something you hear from republicans on the national level. >> he's interesting, isn't, he rand paul? because he does seem to say what he's thinking. he's a rare politician in the sense of american politics of somebody who is edging towards a run for the presidency but doesn't seem to let that make his statements canned. and so many american politicians in his position who are thinking of a presidential run are so careful about every single thing they say. there may be reasons that rand paul feels he wants to reach out to this particular segment of the community, but he is prepared to turn around to the republican party on this one and say, listen, we have to acknowledge this, there is an uneven application of justice and justice is not equal in this

country. >> i think what is going to be interesting about rand paul and he may have reasons he is reaching out, i agree with you, is not only is he going to change some of the tenor in the republican party, puts pressure on the democratic party because let's not forget the clintons, authors of triangulation and the sister soldier moment. with a rand paul out there, it's going to challenge hillary if she is the presumptive nominee deals with race and a lot of these questions that many of us in the civil rights community question the clintons about. rand paul could be something of use to all sides here. >> be interesting on that issue. be interesting on war. be interesting on wall street. he shakes things up, no doubt go. still ahead on "morning joe," we are actually going to have governor jay nixon here. he stepped in, of course, sending the straight troopers to calm the situation in ferguson, missouri. we are going to ask him what

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welcome back to "morning joe." a canadian man is probably locked up son of the year award already this year. his name is corey waden. said his mother always wanted this old 1973 saab and dreaming about it her whole life. a year of searching and a year of saving money he handed her an envelope with a set of keys. she had been out of a job for a year or so and fallen on tough times and knew she wanted this. gave her the keys and led her to the parking lot. >> what is that? [ screaming ] >> you're kidding me! >> wadden says he set off on that challenge after his mom

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welcome back to "morning joe." mike barnicle, katty kay and reverend al sharp attorneyton still bus. john heilemann in washington and associate editor for the "the washington post" and msnbc political analyst eugene robinson. what were you saying about the watch talker? >> you said it was a great song

and i was mocking that as saying it's not a very conversial opinion. kind of like saying pedro martinez is a great pitcher. >> one of the great sons in rock history and so great that bob dylan when he hears all along the watch talker he doesn't think of it as a bob dylan song but -- >> much better. >> i would prefer just to have been able to say great song. >> so tiring! >> 45 years ago today. we think john heilemann was there stoned at the -- >> there he is. >> woodstock. some incredible moments at woodstock as we play the music and listen to the film. jimi hendrix too. do you have a moment, john? >> i think jimi hendrix was it. star-spangled banner there was pretty out of control. >> ritchie valens saying freedom was incredible.

>> ritchie havens. >> what did i say? >> ritchie valens. >> he died with the big bopper. >> wouldn't it have been awesome if ritchie valens was there? that would have been a moment. >> what am i smoking right now? >> richie havens made up that song on the spot too. >> did he really? >> yeah. he just started strumming. he needed something to do to fill the time. he started strumming and said -- ♪ freedom freedom >> it sounded a little bit better than that but it was a remarkable moment. you look at that. >> so many drugs were consumed at woodsck that weekd. to ask john heilemann about that. >> that's not the point. >> i think for a lot of people that was actually the point. all right. that would have been something, actually, if richie valance had been there. >> traffic jam almost as bad as the one that was caused over in ft. lee about 40 years later.

>> exactly okay. clean us up there. >> do we have the news? >> why don't we go to the news. we have the governor from missouri, jay nixon, is here. and had some questions we want to ask him and get an update on how things are going on the ground. first, let's set it up. >> a good day to get him. in in ferguson, hope now that after days of violent protests the deadly police shooting of an unarmed teen may be coming to an end. for the first time in five nights police were not involved in heated clashes with demonstrators. the change came after democratic governor jay nixon put the state's highway patrol in charge of security there. that man highway patrol captain ronald johnson you can see there walked with protesters in the streets later in the day. president obama also spoke publicly for the first time about the death of 18-year-old michael brown and the violence that followed. >> let's remember that we are all part of one american family. we are united in common values

and that includes belief in equality under the law. respect for public order and now is the time for healing and now is the time for peace and calm on the streets of ferguson. now is the time for an open and transparent process to see that justice is done. >> with us now we have got the governor of missouri, jay nixon. governor, thank you so much for being with us. we greatly appreciate it. i guess most of america looking at missouri would agree with you this is not what we think of when we think of your state. but what happened? how did things spiral out of control so much and why did it take so long for the state to respond? >> well, it was a tough week. obviously, the killing of this 18-year-old man kind of scratched an old wound really when you look at the long-term issues that have been out there. you know, we were, on monday, we

called for that separate investigation by justice so that we have parallel investigations and went into the churches after that. as we saw the acceleration, both in the tone, as well as in the armor, i knew it was time to make a change and why yesterday i gave the order to put the highway patrol in charge and i think over the first -- first 20 hours, captain johnson and the team from missouri highway patrol have done a good job of calming things down and open up the ability for people to speak their voice, but keep folks at the same time. >> governor, we are concerned here and, obviously, a lot of people in washington have expressed their concerns about the militarization of local police across america and this certainly is probably going, should be a watershed moment. are you concerned about the militarization of the police there in missouri? is there some legislation that can be passed in your state and other states to stop this from happening again? >> it's a very real issue. making sure that the force you

have reflects what is needed in law enforcement and in the military is extreme important. in this situation, clearly, bringing in that -- the huge armor things incited the opposite reaction among some folks and, quite frankly, folks felt like they were under siege and that is not what policing is. i was involved in the early '90s as we move forward on community policing and involved in officers and schools. the bottom line is when police forces work the best, they are part of their community and called on for help when their community is in need. not a separate force to control that community. and, consequently, this is a really clear example, i think, of a discussion we need to have. not only about some of these underlying racial issues and the challenges we face there, but from a law enforcement perspective what is the adequate force to protect folks, but not intimidate a community or take

away folks legitimate first amendment rights. >> tom jackson says the name of the pliveolice officer will be released later this afternoon. mike? >> governor, that will also help in calming the situation down. i think the release of more information about exactly what happened to the victim, how it happened. but my question to you is in the wake of captain johnson of the highway patrol operating the way police ought to behave in situations like this, has there been any thought given to the future of the ferguson, missouri, police department? what happens to that department? >> well, i mean, we are one night through this and, obviously, we had a calm night last night relative to where we have been zero arrests. we were up this morning and out again today. i'll be over there once again myself just to monitor and be with a number of community leaders. as i said before, i think this brings a bigger discussion not only about police departments both small and large, and their tactics and how they are

organized and how they need to reflect the communities that they serve, not only in their disparity, but in their tone. secondly we need to get justice in this case and move forward in a transparent way and i've been calling for the name to be released for some period of time. the justice department and the local investigations need to move forward to get justice in this case. there's a lot of guideposts and markers between now and the finish line what has occurred that started last weekend in ferguson. and we are all going to be working hard to keep people together during these next difficult coming weeks. >> reverend al? >> governor, i think that many people, as you know, i came down and i'm on my way back it request of the family, i came down. a lot of people were disappointed in the slow pace, it seemed, that the state and others came forward. and it took the arrest of these reporters to deal with a buildup that i saw earlier in the week when the looting was over. many of us denounce the the

looting. now we still have the case of an 18-year-old young man killed that shouldn't be lost in this. this is the show me state. people want to see what is going to happen to deal with the underlying racial issues and the rights of this young man who was unarmed and killed and what is going to happen going forward. i think what you did is admirable in terms of finally getting in and putting the state police there, but that doesn't solve the real problem of why we're here in the first place and that is the killing of michael brown. >> i agree, that the horrific incident that started this still needs to be finalized here and justice needs to be served. that is why early on monday, i called for a separate investigation, dual investigation by the department of justice as well as the locals so we would have an ability to make sure that we were getting this moved forward. i think it's great news today that after a great deal of prodding that they are going to be releasing the name of the

officer. i think other things in this investigation that need to get out. the public can deal with the truth and they can deal with the facts and i think that we need to get those out. but the point you make, the ultimate point of a bigger question here, as i said the other night at the church, this is almost like a wound that is old that has been made fresh. and i think the responsibility we have to make sure that -- that -- that changes occur because of this, that that a deeper understanding and a closer relationship between safety and law enforcement and are all important but we are not getting that done until we get justice and that requires us to give these two agencies that are working hard the ability to get those decisions, but i do think it's an important step forward and i'm glad they are going to release the name of that officer. >> back to the question that mike barnicle asked you and broaden it out a little bit. beyond the question of the ferguson police department and its behavior, this whole incident this week has raised questions for a lot of people about the militarization of local police across the country

and something we have seen, especially in the wake of 9/11, you have a lot of police officers, good ones, bad ones alike who write speeding tickets all day long and in situations like this are called upon to use essentially heavy artillery in these situations. do you have a view about this? whether this should call into question whether we should try to demilitarize our police in a broader way? >> i think it's a very legitimate discussion. we have seen an acceleration in the lethality of attacks. folks out there got a lot of high-powered weapons and have bombs and all sorts of stuff, terrorists and stuff and we need to make sure we have a force to meet whatever the challenge is. having m-wraps rolling up and down the middle of streets in the middle of protests is not going to calm people and get to the healing place where voices can be heard and safety managed. we have seen a situation here in which that militarization caused exactly the opposite reaction in

my view as to what it normally should. instead of bringing safety, it brought less safety in this situation because people felt diminished and felt controlled in their own community. i think this is a very clear example of how the proper force strength is important and i do think we have seen a significant trend towards militarization which, if not used correctly with these forces, can have troublesome reacttions. >> governor, thank you so much. we greatly appreciate it. best of luck out there. i hope things calm down and stay calm. >> thank you. we will stay right on it. >> thank you so much. >> we need to get him back and get an update next week. let's go from what is happening in missouri to national news and national politics. fascinating poll out. hillary clinton return to the political debate appears to be taking a toll in her poll numbers against potential white

house rivals. a new poll shows she has forfeited double digit advantages and she has lost a significant edge with independent voters too. she still is comfortably ahead against possible candidate rand paul and holding on to a seven-point lead over jeb bush too. still the numbers show a closing gap. governor chris christie, since february. >> gene robinson, let's go to you. there has been some questions over the past week or two, especially that atlantic interview about hillary's inevitability. reverend al was talking about race issues. you also have, of course, wall street issues. you also have what i've said for some time she is nor of a neocon and more of a neocon than republicans like rand paul. these polls also show her book tour has cost her a lot of support.

a book tour! we were asking before this segment, what has happened? why does she appear so tone deaf and stiff? she has done this before. >> nothing is inevitable. second, it was not the greatest book tour, right? >> no. >> she did not -- she seemed, to say that she seemed a step slow, i think, is a real understatement. but, you know, i think this reflects kind of a normalization of opinion polls and, frankly, of opinion too when people are out of sight and out of office, they tend to become more popular than when they are in our face and we think about them as potentially president of the united states. but, you know, if you had to put money down now on who gets the democratic nomination if she wants it, if she decides to run,

you still have to put your money on hillary clinton, i think, and also she may not be in mid season form, but you have to assume that she's going to perform better than she has the last couple of months. >> john heilemann, who is around hillary clinton right now? who is her team that tells her what to do or says what not to do? have they been on vacation this summer? >> i think it's a great question because the answer is she does not right now have a campaign infrastructure. i think one of the questions that will be asked in retrospect in this book tour which was a soft launch of a president campaign but not treated internally as such and so she was not, i think, extraordinarily well prepared for the kind of political questions she has faced. it is one of the biggest questions going forward for her is what is her team going to look like and there is a massive scrum of old become hands and hillary clinton hands and new hillary clinton hands and state department hands and all

jockeying for position and that shakeout has not happened. she doesn't have a nucleus and she hasn't picked those people and she has to figure it out pretty soon. right now, it's not chaos but a lot of people are trying to get -- claim some real estate in her orbit and until that gets clearer and until there is, like, someone who is actually in command and somebody is in charge of strategy and tactics there is going to continue to be, i think, this kind of ham handedness or whatever she has displayed. >> gene, did you, off of what john was just saying, did you, in reading the interview with jeffrey goldberg of "the atlantic" did you glean any subtle campaign messages that might emerge from that interview? we have all made a big flap over her disagreements with the obama administration and foreign policy, but was there anything else in there that struck you? >> that was the main thing that jumped out at me, actually, what seemed to be a clear differentiation between her and

president obama over foreign policy. you know, not that they have completely different ideas about everything, but a clear difference. i didn't see a lot else that told me one way or another, except under argue the fact she did that long interview in that manner is a step forward running. you could see it that way. >> reverend, is hillary inevitable? >> i don't think so. i think there could be a challenge. i think that -- >> should there be a challenge? >> i wouldn't say it should be or shouldn't be. i mean, i want to see how -- >> would you like to see a challenge? come on, reverend al! don't be a politician. would it be better for the democratic party? >> look at that face. >> you're dealing with the obama -- we will see. i think her challenge is going to be, though, if she's a

nominee and i think she runs, she may be challenged, she will be the nominee, is how does she deal with the differences she thinks she has to have with president obama and still rally out the base of the democratic party. that's going to be a challenge. >> the base of the democratic party as peggy noonan wrote in "wall street journal" she is sounding like john mccain on foreign policy. >> burly. >> that is an interesting term. says she has a burly foreign policy. >> might be too heavy for us to lift. >> that's what i'm wondering if it's not better for progressives that there is challenge so she doesn't start darting right. >> that is going to be the challenge. how do you give enough to the center that her and her husband played in the '90s without alienating the turnout you're going to need and the lack of turnout could help a republican. don't forget with the great '60s

we all mromanticized and ended with nixon winning because humphrey could not keep the base. >> she is still ahead and going strong. >> you talk about the turnout of the liberal base and it's so extraordinarily important. 2012 wasn't hope and change. i went to some of those obama rallies. i know you went to a lot of them. there was not excitement in the crowd. i almost fell asleep at a couple of them. i said, my god, he is going to lose. then you go to the romney rallies and people are screaming and going crazy, 30,000, 35,000. that was all turnout. yeah. you go so far to the center of the right that you make your liberal base mad, you don't have all of the people calling and getting on facebook and texting and working around the clock for somebody that sound like they are neocon that very comfortable with wall street. that's not the formula. let's move on, i guess, more

information on robin williams? >> new information on his death. the late actor's wife said the actor was having signs of parkinson's disease. he struggled with his own battles of depression and anxiety as well as early stages of parkinson's disease which he was not yet ready to share publicly. the news of his disease came as a shock to many, including actor michael j. fox who also has parkinson's. he tweeted, quote, stunned to learn robin had pd. pretty sure his support for our foundation predated his diagnosis. a true friend. i wish him peace. williams is seen here attending fox's benefit a decade ago in new york. let's bring in nbc news chief medical correspondent dr. nancy snyderman. nancy, we don't know exactly where he was in this faces of his parkinson's disease, right? >> that's right. we won't really know anything

until the coroner continues and completes and releases the data about the autopsy and that includes toxicology reports. it's one thing to be diagnosed early on with early symptoms that may or may not interfere with life and another thing to see if there were substances in his body, alcohol, cocaine, you name it, or even medicines that could treat parkinson's. so until that is out, we really don't know. but i think it's very important right now, while we have had a moment with robin williams' death to really seriously talk about mental illness in this country. depression, manic depression, bipolar disease and suicide in a way that perhaps we haven't talked about before. if or if he did not have parkinson's, i worry that the real concerning issue of mental illness might get derailed a little and i just want to warn people, we won't know until we know and until then, we should keep the bigger conversation

going. >> all right, dr. nancy, thank you so much. we appreciate it. coming up on "morning joe," forget the football games and fraternities. how one man is shaking up higher learning by stripping out everything but the kaeducation d how it could mean the end of college as we know it. up next a man who brings his expertise to help ferguson police this weekend. former chief of police dekaekal county, georgia, dr. cedric alexander. you're watching "morning joe." we will be right back. ♪ don't just visit new york.

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7:24 in the morning. let's get more on ferguson and what is happening down there. here with us now from atlanta is the national president of the national organization of black law enforcement executives and public safety director of dekalb county, georgia, dr. cedric alexander who is heading down to

ferguson, missouri, to pleat with the police chief down there. doctor, what did they do wrong down there in ferguson? >> i think the fact that a lot of is beginning to turn for the best of that community i think is a very good sign. but something reverend sharpton said very, very early on, we still got a way to go here and this is still very early in its embryo stages of this process of healing. let me say this. in terms of noble, one of our main objectives will be when i get on the ground there tomorrow is to sit down and talk with the local chiefs. i've been in communication with chief jackson there in ferguson, and we're going to have some very direct and very honest conversation about some changes and help that we are going to be able to employ and help move his police department and any other agency in that area forward in

creating an environment in which the community feel good about its police department and they feel good about the community as well too. so we are looking forward to that opportunity. i hope we can build that bridge which very clearly has been challenged, was not there in the beginning. >> doctor, before we get to the composition of the ferguson police department and what that mean and entails within the community and other communities around the country, could we just spend a few seconds. i would like you your point of view on the training practices and not just to single out the ferguson police department, but the ferguson police department is the one that we have visual evidence of. >> right. >> in terms of training, in terms of high tense situations like the ferguson police department were dealing with, the repeated pictures we see of police officers armed like the first airborne division aiming, aiming at crowds during the course of marches, nothing has taken place.

this is after the looting, but aiming at crowds from the top of armored personnel carriers. what do you do as a training officer for other police departments to prevent this from happening? >> well, this is certainly going to be a learning scenario i believe for law enforcement across the country. and one thing that we will gain from this or learn from this, in situations where you have any kind of event where you have peaceful protesters who are making their point, for whatever reason, we certainly have the responsibility of law enforcement of keeping people safe, but perception mean a lot to people. to be able to go into a community where there's a peaceful protest and being supportive of that protest and not having the appearance of being threatening or trying to start a fight, if you will, is very important. so there is going to be lessons learned here. some things that happen there could have been avoided but,

nevertheless my thought is moving forward, how do we help that community and how we help communities across the nation avoid what we just saw here very recently in ferguson. >> dr. alexander, one of the things that is very, very disturbing and mike barnicle referred to it, you have 53 police in ferguson, only three black, in a city that is 67% black. in your discussions over this weekend with chief jackson, how will you talk to him? i know a good word that noble does, how will you talk to him about how he must have a police department that more reflects the demographics of the city that he is chief in? and, at the same time, how do we deal with the african-american community in getting some of them to seek to also be officers and be recruited? i think you have a two-prong kind of challenge here. >> well, that's a great question

and i've already began that discussion with chief jackson. several times i've had an opportunity to speak with him. i made it very clear that we are going to have to look at his hiring and diversity of the program there in that department, because it is not acceptable today. if you look at the military, if you look at private industry, if you look at education, you look at government, diversity is at the for froefront. that is one of the missteps and we are going to have straight and forward conversation around diversity in his department. we as noble also have a responsible to help him in developing programs around diversity as well too. he is willing. he is open. that is the first step and that is good. in terms of the community itself, the community has a share of responsibility with the police department to sit down and have communication and have

dialogue about how do we begin even in our high schools, reverend sharpton, developing programs and pipelines from high school right into police department, colleges into police department. there are a lot of young men and women i'm sure across the country and in the state of missouri that would love to police in that community but there are things we have to do to let them know they want to be recruited, we want them to be a part of the law enforcement community here in missouri and they, as a police department and as a city and as a community and as a state, have a responsibility in helping that recruitment process as well. >> dr. alexander, this is eugene robinson. in your conversations with chief jackson, did he give you any idea of why we don't have a more coherent narrative from the police point of view of what happened to michael brown? why is there so little information as to what happened?

>> well, we have had conversation as well, eugene, and one thing that i pointed out to him is the fact the more you're able to disclose information to your community around this case, you're going to move through this process a little bit easier. now, i'm not on the ground there with him. i will have that conversation with him again on tomorrow morning, and try -- and during the time i'm there, try to help him as much as i can going through whatever it is that he may have. what is it that he can release to the community to help them feel better about what is going on. because what we consistently hear there is a lack of transparency but being respectful to the investigation itself, which is clearly very important, i want to make sure that there's opportunities and information that we can share with the community. we need to get that out. that is going to be part of the conversation and goal that we

are going to try to achieve on tomorrow and over the weekend. >> dr. cedric alexander, thank you for joining us and good luck down there in ferguson where they clearly need some assistance in trying to sort out what are a host of problems in the police department down there. coming up after days of severe flooding, will this weekend see more extreme weather? bill karins is tracking it for us with "morning joe's" weather center coming up right next. ♪ she's still the one for you.

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welcome back to "morning joe." when is the last time anyone remembers a summer like this in d.c.? we haven't had many of those hazy hot and humid days ago, low humidity, beautiful sunshine. what an august. as we go through the great lakes, i still get to find anyone that will admit to it but somebody had to turn their heat on in their house last night. we are in the 30s. there could be even a frost out there in some spots. 37 right now in cadillac, michigan. we went all the way down to the 40s as far south as lansing and cool crisp 53 in chicago. the great lakes remain very cool but the warmth is returning and it will be hot this weekend from oklahoma spreading north wards. we have showers and storms out there today if you're traveling in the central plains. here is your weekend forecast. texas, definitely one of the hottest spots. 100 today and san antonio and dallas near a hundred.

even denver and kansas city warming it back up. i mentioned how perfect it is, though, the mid-atlantic, southeast, and even through the great lakes after a chilly morning. a great afternoon. as we head through the weekend, the heat continues to expand to the north. back up into the 80s for chicago and minneapolis. as far north as boise into the 90s. new england holds on to one more great day and same with the mid-atlantic. then get warmer and more humid. we will add showers to the northeast on sunday. it's just amazing, joe, how the lack of humidity this summer and how many beautiful clear mornings we have had. only three weekends left until labor day. it's crazy. >> thank you so much. i appreciate it. i was actually saying to kay -- >> declaring summer over. >> i'm very depressed. bill, i was saying to my 11-year-old daughter when we had snow on the ground in, like, late march. i said, you know, it's not florida. >> nope. >> and you have to put up with the snow but once it gets warm, you got -- it's the truth.

you got four, five months of gorgeous weather up here like nothing i've ever seen and we have had a beautiful, beautiful summer. >> winter in the south and summer is in the north. >> i did say, i tweeted back in july, early july summer is finally here and somebody in minnesota said, no, it's not. >> they are still waiting. >> it's unbelievable. you're right. they are still waiting for summer to come up there. >> there's some lake temperatures in the great lakes that are still in the upper 40s. it just hasn't been a great summer there. >> if you're a retiree, i have one word for you in minnesota. boca vista, baby. from the war in afghanistan to willie nelson's smoke-filled cover story. we are going to dip into willie world and get a look through "rolling stone" editor coming up. ♪ on the road again

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>> with us is "rolling stone" managing editor will dana with a new issue featuring willie nelson. fascinating stories that we are hearing just on the set about willie. you go inside it's meandering piece on willie nelson and willie world. some of the quotes jump out at me here. he's kind of reminds me of that churchill quote a riddle wrapped in an enigma. johnny cash said he is someone you never know him like you should. >> he's been around since the '50s on the scene and been in the middle of everything. i think is there a feeling that no one feels they quite know

him. he is always half a step ahead of everybody. he keeps it all inside. comes out in his songs. he doesn't really speak about the songs articulately but the emotion all goes into the work. >> he keeps moving. how old he is? >> 81. >> you say he is a better guitarist today. >> his long time guitar player died few years back so he is the lead guitar player in his band. they say he is still taking guitar lessons and he has an unusual style because it's almost precountry the way he plays and is very jazz oriented. so he really brings something else that no one else in the world of country brings to his music. >> do you think he's been influential? if you think about the range of the career if you go back to him and waylon jennings, do you think he is a seminal kind of country musician influenced a lot of people or kind of an

island? >> i think an island. what he ask does is so weird and complicated you can't copy it. it was jazz and standards and wasn't country until later in his life. when he was writing songs in nashville in the '60s he had a problem he wasn't getting a lot of stuff recorded because his chords were so complicate in the machines where this they had to crank out three songs in an hour. the guys couldn't learn his songs fast enough so he never quite had the success of some of the, you know, top level of success when he was a national so songwriter. he wrote like crazy but couldn't roll them out. >> do you think he is underrated as a songwriter? when people think of willie nelson they think of their ear and what they hear. if you listen to the lyric and each song. one quote from the piece from kris kristofferson. >> he phrased like a jazz singer.

>> i think part of the songs are so deceptive. they are much more complicated than they sound at first. >> yeah. >> seems like he is "on the road again" songs and very sophisticated and complicated. i think literally like this guy is like the ultimate uniter. you got red-necks and hippies. you got jazz, country. it's like everything comes together in willie nelson. >> he still is on the road, what, two weeks out of two? >> yeah. >> still performing the whole time at 81? unbelievable. >> he says in this sad moment, like, if -- i'm afraid if i stop moving i'm going to die. >> he is driving around the country in a vehicle that is powered by grain alcohol, i believe. he has a totally green car and then there is a lot of green inside the car as well. >> yeah. >> he has his 84-year-old sister who has been in his band since day one. >> really? >> she is 84 years old, his big

sister. he learned this stuff when they were kids. she was taking piano lessons and he was hearing at the time in house and that is how he learned music. >> his sister is in the band? >> yes. she's the piano player. >> it's a totally family touring thing. >> amazing. his kids in the band part-time also. >> he is a pure singer. if you listen to the couple of cover albums we were just talking about, he is covering the standards and singing paul simon. he is an extraordinary. the voice really just apart from everything else the voice is amazing and he can cover other people's songs as well as anybody. >> sinatra said he was his favorite singer. >> did he really? that ain't bad. you talk about a tough critic. that is about as tough as they come. >> sinatra praising willie nelson who is still out today, you can see him next week. >> let's talk about some other piece you have in here. the end of good times in kabul. i never knew there were good times there but if there were,

they are over. >> a bubble of good times in the middle of kabul. >> yeah. 2012. the summer of love. that is over. what is the story? tell us. >> the story is that, you know, with the troop drawdown and the prospect of americans leaving and presidential elections in afghanistan the war came into the city for the first time. westerners who felt safe inside of kabul basically since 2008 when obama started surging the troops. there was all of this money and people coming in all of a sudden. and that ended, you know, with a shocking bang over the winter when a bunch of journalists got murdered and some of the restaurants and clubs where the westerners hung out got bombed. one of the most popular fixtures in the city. all of the jusournalists went through. >> matthew aikens who wrote the piece not his first dance over there. >> i think he has been there since 2008.

>> he writes they are desperate to get down and activities have closed up like clams. the boone town has come and gone like a dream. even the president's promise to end the war, we are leaving behind a country whose fate is more uncertain than ever. you cannot tell which way this country is going to go but none of the options look very good. >> there is just -- there is no structure in place to take our place. >> i think our hope is importing willie nelson. >> he united our country and unite their country. >> come back next month. new issue of "rolling stone" is out. great article on willie nelson and pick it up at the newsstands. if you're a republican, you can read it and then, you know, burn it, whatever you want to do. still ahead, how the pope is

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to the beautiful strains of the theme song from scarborough country, martin lawrence, tom hanks, mark zuckerberg all live together. that's where louis j. bergdorf iii. hollyweird. >> break out your light saver, forrest gump. it's time to get hollyweird. speculation is running rampant about this picture posted on instagram outside of "star wars episode 7" london set. the project is set to resume filming later this month now that harrison ford is on the road to recovery. hans solo broke his leg during filming in june and there's no official word on whether luke skywalker will play a part in the blockbuster but speculation is what we do best here. "bad boys 3" is coming near you. it's 19 years since the original. martin lawrence just confirmed that there's a threequel on the

way telling conan o'brien, quote, i just talked to jerry bruckheimer and he said it's real. they're working on a script, they're getting close and it all looks good. now we just have to see if will smith was telling the truth when he said -- >> bad boys for life. >> and in the most ironic move of 2014, tom hanks has launched a typewriter app. yesterday the most trusted man in america relaxed hanks writer. no longer must you surrender to modern luxuries like the delete day. with the hanx writer you'll hear the rhythm of your work. finally the als ice bucket challenge has been taking the country by storm for the worthiest of causes. now adam levine, justin timberlake and jimmy fallon have taken part in an effort to raise awareness. even joe and mika submitted to the soaking. now the movement is making its way to the titans of tech. >> here we go.

that was really cold. >> what you didn't see was mark zuckerberg challenge bill gates. i can't wait to see how that turns out. back to you, joe. >> thank you, louis. so how did this bucket thing all start? of course it came to us through thomas. >> it began with a young man, peter fratus, played baseball at boston college. tragically came down with als. he's 29 or 30 years of age and he began this. he and his friends, his wife and his family began this about five or six weeks ago and it has literally gone coast to coast. it's gone viral. >> it's crazy how much money they have been able to make. that's the great point about this because i think there's been a lot of reaction to some people saying make sure that the donations happen, not just the viral videos, but they have made over $4 million. this is in wild comparison to last year where i think it was in the tens of thousands in the donations that came in, so this

has been a huge jump in donations coming in, which is great. all thanks to that 29-year-old man. >> it really is, and it is important. dump the ice over your head but then give what you can. "morning joe" is giving $10,000. but if you can give $10, $5, whatever you can give, give. and this disease has been with us for far too long. it's time to start making some serious progress. >> was that an instance where you were referring to "morning joe" as a show or morning joe as a show. >> if napoleon is going to take vienna, then take vienna. is "morning joe" is going to contribute, then "morning joe" is going to contribute $10,000. "morning joe" is now going to break. coming up we'll be talking to a local law enforcement officer about local departments being increasingly armed for battle. it's kind of freaking us out around the table. ari melber joins us for that.

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in his final days, robin williams was fighting many internal foes. >> now his widow says the actor and comedian was battling another disease. >> revealing that robin williams had received a parkinson's diagnosis and wasn't ready to reveal it to the world. >> we helped vulnerable people reach safety and we helped save many innocent lives. >> the obama administration

discovered there was no longer a refugee crisis. >> in iraq, fear of an imminent coup ended. >> prime minister al maliki agreeing to step down. >> a fourth straight night of clashes turned ferguson's main street into a battlefield. >> some people threw objects,ing through molotov cocktails. >> now is the time for peace and calm on the streets of ferguson. >> we're not talking about wats, 1965, we're talking about ferguson, missouri. >> missouri's governor has relieved local police of their patrol duties. from now on the state highway patrol will patrol the streets. >> why do you have guns on us? >> what happens when they have to look at that kid laying in the casket and people say why is he dead? >> i grew up here and this is my community and my home. therefore, it means a lot to me personally that we break this cycle of violence, tension and feel trust. >> i think that it's very important that we dedemille t r

taerize the response. >> mike barnicle is with us, gene robinson still here. also with us ari melber. thanks for coming in, ari, a lot to talk about today. by the way, one thing we didn't say about the als challenge, lyle lovett, we challenged lyle lovett. he's already way out in front here. >> he beat the clock. >> he beat the clock and he's now asking john hite and other friends to do this too. >> have you got gotten a carol king update? >> we're a huge friend of carol but she's in idaho but there's a time difference so we'll call her today. >> time's on her side. >> jet lag. so anyway, a lot to talk about today. we have the governor as well as al sharpton on over the past couple of hours.

katty, it seems like things are going in the right direction but still a lot of unanswered questions. still a community outrage about the shooting of a teenage boy who was unarmed. >> and we are going to get later today this morning the name of the police officer who shot michael brown so that's one news development but it's the use of military grade weapons and equipment by the police that's drawn criticism from around the country. nbc's ron allen described some of the gear that law enforcement is deploying. >> reporter: residents complained police have acted more like soldiers than cops. st. louis county police officers, seen here in full riot gear, approaching one man are outfitted with submachine guns and assault rifles. earlier this week, tactical officers arrived in a bear cat, an armored vehicle, which can withstand the impact from a 50-caliber machine gun and yesterday pointed in the direction of protesters, a precision rifle with a range of 500 to 800 yards.

>> and i didn't go to iraq to defend iraqis to come home and watch my neighbors get brutalized, responding with tanks and snipers to a peaceful protest is ridiculous and we are showing solidarity. there should be no tanks on u.s. streets. it's absurd. >> that's coming out there to complain. under a federal government program, local departments have been acquiring m-wraps, vehicles that are resistant to ieds for free as they're decommissioned from combat in iraq and afghanistan. despite tight local budgets, these vehicles have been deployed right across america, everywhere from franklin, indiana, to connecticut, to mason city, iowa, to wyoming where the sheriff told the local paper we have to have it to nab the bad guys. groups as diverse as the aclu and the cato institute have warned about heavily armed police departments. senator elizabeth warren has

compared the scene to a war zone. senator rand paul wrote in "time" magazine that we must demilitarize the zone. he said if i had been told to get out of the street as a teenager, there might have been a distinct possibility that i might have smarted off but i wouldn't have expected to be shot. >> when barack obama, rand paul, kato, the aclu, elizabeth warren and ted cruz are all against you, i mean the militarization of local police is crazy. i'm sorry, you look at these people in ferguson and, yes, like willie always said you have to preface it there was rioting, there was looting. as barack obama said that is unacceptable. but there's a lot of police officers in ferguson who looked like they were on a power trip playing soldier. >> i think that's absolutely right. i think that's why there's this fairly universal political condemnation as you mentioned,

joe, and it goes to a bigger point in how we deal with these kind of problems. we still don't know all the facts on the original underlying incident. we could learn something about the interaction between the tragic -- this tragic death, yes, but between how this victim or this suspect acted that might change our view of that fact pattern, right? so that we don't know. >> so exactly. and this is an important point to make. that we don't know how that story ends. >> correct. >> one side says that he charged the police car, tried to get the gun. that would change the fact pattern obviously. others say that he was just shot dead in the middle of the street. but despite that, this opens up ugly wounds that were obviously already festering in this town, plus this issue that i think this has got to be a watershed moment for police departments across middle america.

>> exactly. so when you say we don't know what happened there but then we do have the contemporaneous factual response by the police department to these protests and the response shows excessive force, misuse of these materials and let's be clear, what looks like illegal arrests, when you round up journalists and don't have charges against them, it doesn't look like you had a reason to take them, regardless of the underlying conduct. they don't even claim they have a reason. we don't want to say anyone isn't innocent until proven otherwise and these investigations will continue but we may learn more about the previous record here and whether there have been other incidents. that's something that would be useful as well as we look at the whole picture. >> you know, katty, it obviously has been very disturbing for a lot of people looking from the outside in. we talk about the militarization of it but also if you just look at the racial makeup in that town, the numbers are staggering and just how unrepresentative they are. >> 53 police officers in

ferguson. three of them are black in a population that is 70% black. how is that possibly representative of the population they are trying to serve? >> you're just asking for trouble. >> i want to know what it was like in ferguson a week ago today. what were the tensions like in that community already, that this incident then and the response could lead to this kind of situation, because you can't believe there weren't already tensions in the community with the way that they are being treated. >> we always play this game around the set, what if a republican president did it. the answer always is if the republican president did it, the media would be going crazy. in this case why don't we change the fact pattern as well. what if you had a town that was 70% white in missouri and you had a police department that had 50 our 53 african-americans and white residents felt like they were being pushed around. would it take, i don't know, a month, a week, maybe five minutes for that to change? it has to cause, ari, a lot of

anger there as well. we had bill bratton on the other day. he cleaned things up in l.a., he talks about community policing. this is something i thought we figured out 10, 15, 20, 25 years ago. but obviously they still haven't figured this out in ferguson. >> right. and you're putting your finger on a key point. people often say we don't know what was in the mind of an individual officer. we can't prejudge whether race was a factor. that's something the civil rights division of the justice department is looking into. but, joe, you're nailing the fact that we do know the fact there is a structural race problem here. even if the individual officer wasn't motivated by race, there are disparities that are very problematic and that's why senator paul is speaking out on this issue is so interesting and your op-ed today makes that point. we can't just look at this and say here is militarization, here are scenes we don't like and don't want policing and functioning this way. we have to also look at the structural inequities that make

it uncomfortable and need reform. >> gene, you and i had a talk, you spoke very poignantly about the warnings that you gave your sons with police officers during the trayvon martin tragedy. >> yeah. >> and you've just -- we're talking about the racial disparities. i ask you the same question, what would have happened in this town if you had a majority of police officers who were african-american and a town that was overwhelmingly white? first of all, it just wouldn't happen, but still, it's outrageous. >> and if it just -- you know, if everybody woke up one day and that's the way things were, it would last five minutes. five minutes is my guess. and that would be completely changed. the earlier conversation we had was about the talk that every african-american parent has with his -- with their son about what to do if you're approached by the police and how to act and not to do anything sudden or

rash because you might get shot. and, you know, that's a fact of life and it shouldn't be that way. you know, when do you hear about white teenagers and white young men just unarmed being shot for mouthing off at the police? you don't hear of that happening. >> no, you don't. >> but it happens with black young men far, far too often. i don't know how many times we have to have this discussion. it's depressing. >> it is so depressing. thomas, as rand paul brought up yesterday in a very important op-ed, i say that as a republican, that a republican is finally speaking out about the disparity and our criminal justice system between whites and african-americans. i mean that's -- we talk about these tragedies, but it also goes to arrests. like, for instance, marijuana arrests, small charges. african-american young men just get absolutely slammed.

and everybody else seems to get a slap on the wrist. >> there's a disparity and you also brought up bill bratton who was on to talk about the open investigation that's taking place in new york, the death of the man who was selling untaxed loose cigarettes in the takedown where he died ultimately after resisting that arrest. so there's the connection between suburban ferguson, missouri, all the way to new york city these problems exist across our country. with us to talk more about this from boston, retired superintendent and chief of the boston police department, dan linski, he's the owner of the consulting security firm. sir, as you listen to us and we have this conversation re-examining where our respect stands for the police departments around the country, is it your opinion that the onus still remains on the police officers, that the onus is on them to not break the law in enforcing the law? >> absolutely.

that's the mission we signed up for, that's what we raised our hand to do. the police officers are there to protect individuals' rights to protest, to disagree and to get their word out in any way they feel they want to. our job is to make sure that no one else interferes with their ability to protest. >> so why do you think they are so off course with what we've been witnessing in ferguson and it really took the arrests of reporters or the suspicion of almost arrests for reporters to really bring this to a boiling point to get national attention? >> clearly tensions were high. the incidents involved, to where looting a store and the fire, the police were probably overwhelmed, probably outnumbered and weren't prepared for it. in those types of situations, we changed or have been changing the way we respond in law enforcement. i was on the teams years ago when we put our riot helmets on and riot gear, we would put our sticks out and we would send the message we're ready for a fight.

the problem is there are a lot of people who actually want to fight the police, they just need to know where to go. there's also a lot of people that don't want to engage in slie violence with the street but they enjoy watching a good fight and like to film it on their iphones. we like to change the tenor and tone where police officers go out before these events, let people know what they're doing, engage the crowd and in fact we did it with occupy boston in our city where we said you want to protest, you want to march without a permit, which streets do you want to go down, and we would actually escort them down the streets in their march. if you're throwing molotov cocktails as police officers, that's a lethal force type situation and you need officers that can come out and respond to that. those officers should be hidden, out of sight. your front line officers should be your community policing officers, the people who know people in the community. they should be surrounding themselves with community leaders, people who might

even -- i would embed the media and bring a cameraman with me. >> dan, let me ask you a question here. we've all seen the visual evidence, we're looking at it now partially while you're on of police officers in ferguson, missouri, on top of mraps in the small streets of a small town clad in better armored equipment than our initial troops had when they went into baghdad when the iraq war began in 2003 and many of them aiming their weapons at the crowd. the weapons are aimed with laser lights at the crowds during a march. what was your reaction when you saw these photos? >> that the commander of that unit would have probably been relieved of duty. somebody obviously isn't in control in setting a tone. whoever the incident commander is for the deployment of those teams needs to be on the front line setting that tone. you need to have those teams

available if someone wants to throw molotov cocktails, shooting firearms, they need to be somewhere to respond in a quick and timely fashion. they got the solution now. you've got the captain from the state patrol who's out leading and walking with the community, making himself available and engaging the community. those weapons, those vehicles, they're appropriate. we had a situation in watertown, massachusetts, where an individual had bombed our citizens and murdered our citizens and attacked our police officers with bombs and firearms. an armored vehicle was the appropriate response in the backyard in watertown. that isn't necessarily the case when people are protesting peacefully. >> dan linskey, thank you so much, we appreciate you coming here. this debate is going to be going on for some time about these armored vehicles. the justice department already getting involved as well, that's certainly going to have an impact. >> and you have the local u.s. attorney as well as the civil rights division, civil rights group of the doj can look specifically at whether there

was misconduct by officers, misuse of their authorities under the color of law and if that results in death, that can go all the way up to a life sentence. that is rare, but that's the kind of inquiry that you have that would help put some local pressure on. what we also know about this, the racial disparities and how these cases are investigated, it's incredibly difficult for local prosecutors and d.a.s to work with the police 99 out of 100 times on going after crimes and then try to turn around and put some of them away. that's a difficult conflict of interest. >> all right, thanks so much. coming up on "morning joe" is college doomed? mika certainly hopes so because if college is doomed, then amelia comes back on monday or tuesday, right? she's driving her -- >> my daughter too. >> that's already paid in full, right? >> the first semester. >> and your daughter is leaving too? >> she's coming up here to columbia next week. >> is she really?

>> around the corner. >> you ask phil about his daughter going to duke. he goes, ah, i don't want to talk about it. he said it's going to be a rough, rough week. >> they shouldn't leave. they shouldn't leave. >> yeah, you say that until they stay. also pope francis breaks some news to nbc about his upcoming plans. it's always sunny in philadelphia, friends, and you may have a pope there next year too. it's a welcome announcement for american catholics and father kevin o'brien is with us for faith on fridays. first here's bill karins with a check of the forecast. joe, two days ago was the ten-year anniversary of hurricane charley and that memorable hurricane sneechb '04, we had charley, jean, francis. the sunshine state was hit by four hurricanes that summer alone. we had arthur, we had bertha, we didn't have a lot of damage and weren't concerned with either of those storms. as we go from the peak of the season, from now the next six weeks, we'll have to see how

active it gets but right now it's as quiet as it gets for the middle of august. we have one tropical wave just coming off the coast of africa. this is where these storms start and then they make the long journey and we'll see if they develop. this one has a 20% chance in the next five days of becoming our next storm. only 20%. let's take a look. we had arthur already, we hadber they a that. the next one would be cristobal. the forecast for the weekend, if you're in the northeast, the great lakes, even down through the mid-atlantic, ohio valley, southeast, perfect friday. low humidity, cool morning, beautiful afternoon. the midwest is where we'll deal with showers and storms today, chicago, st. louis saturday and texas, by the way, is living up to the reputation of a hot august. 100s all weekend from san antonio up to dallas and the sunshine state is anything but lately. a lot of thunderstorms down there from orlando and florida and even tampa as we go through

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when i met him, i had to ask him about all the speculation that perhaps he would come to the united states, so i asked him a very direct question in italian. i said will you come to philadelphia? and he said yes. he went on to mention world family day.

world family day will take place in philadelphia in september of 2015. but there is nothing official yet from the vatican. they don't put out the official word about a papal trip until six months beforehand, so we've got a ways to go. >> a ways to go but a lot of catholics very excited. a lot of americans very excited about the breaking news that anne thompson got that pope francis may very well indeed be headed to the united states next year. going to philly. right now the pope is in south korea, a visit that our next guest says holds big political and religious importance, also some economic importance. he's driving around a kia. let's bring in father kevin o'brien of georgetown university right now. a different pope. he's not even driving in the po popemobile, he's driving in the back of a kia. >> and it's a brand called the kia soul which is a very appropriate name for a car driven with the pope inside. but, you know, it's a sign of

his downscale manner, that he's trying to emphasize a need to simplify and to acknowledge the gap between the rich and the poor. that's a constant refrain in all of these trips he's making, including today in south korea, reaching out to those on the margins so as to hold us all accountable for how we spend our money and how we spend our time. >> father o'brien, another proud jesuit, i know you're another proud jesuit, particularly proud of this pope. his appearance and arrival in south korea, i can't think of -- there are other countries where economic disparity is nearly as wide as it is in korea, but there's quite a gap there. there is also the gap between north and south korea. so what is the symbolism of this pope's arrival in korea, given those two political and economic gaps in the country? >> so john paul ii visited twice

during his long papacy. just like john paul ii, pope francis has talked about korea is one country that is divided. so pay attention the next couple of days as to whether he makes a more explicit outreach to catholics and christians in north korea. one thing he is attempting, korea has one of the largest or the fastest growing economies in the world. the pope has already mentioned a few times the downside of excessive consumerism, which really he says it's a constant refrain of his to note the gap between the rich and the poor. >> father o'brien, how much pushback is the pope getting from inside the vatican? we know what he's doing around the world, we also know what he's trying to do in rome as well, trying to regulate the vatican bank, for example, trying to bring much more light into those secretive corridors of the holy see. do you think that he is getting pushback from within the hierarchy at the vatican or does he seem to be on top of it and

in control of it? >> he's definitely in control of it by all accounts. i think this is one of the stories which is a little hard to talk about outside of the walls of the vatican because it's pretty mundane stuff. he's really trying to take control of the bureaucracy and make some changes in personnel, in the restructuring. he's basically appointed a chief financial officer of the vatican, a cardinal from australia, to try to get the finances in line like any good business or family would do. we've already heard a lot about the reforms in the vatican bank, which is very important, but there's a lot of changes to make it more streamlined, more responsive like good governments are doing. but understand his goal here, the government of the church is ultimately spiritual. it definitely has a financial and a political reality, but it's aimed at a spiritual good. his goal here about all the financial reforms is to free up

our time and our resources to serve those who are most poor. that's what's driving this for him. by all accounts from his time in the jesuit order, of which i am a part, and as archbishop in buenos aires, he's a very strong manager and is not afraid to make some bold moves, again, all for a greater good. >> father o'brien, this is thomas roberts. you talk about bold moves. it was just several weeks ago that pope francis took a meeting with sexual abuse survivors in vatican city. he met with six different people, two from the u.k., two from ireland, two from germany. so a two-part question here. one being that a former ambassador to the vatican has been defrocked but not lost his immunity to be charged in sexual courts for sexual crimes against children. do you think he should lose that immunity? secondly, do you think that pope francis should meet with american sexual abuse survivors if he does in fact come to

philadelphia in september of 2015? >> i'm not familiar with that first case, thomas, but as to the second question, pope benedict met with survivors when he came and i can imagine that if pope francis came, he too would meet with survivors of sexual abuse. i mean he's very strong about his support and contrite on behalf of the church for the sins committed against our minors and young people. so this is something he's talked about and will continue to talk about. in korea, by the way, this morning he reached out to families of victims of the 300 kids who lost their lives in that terrible ferry disaster. >> the pope also was quite explicit in speaking out about the humanitarian tragedy in iraq. we've now seen the president come out and say that at least in his view he's broken the siege of isil and made progress on saving lives there. talk to us about sort of the pope's foreign policy and

whether there's any follow-up here. that was one ingredient that spurred action, the first air strikes in iraq in over two years. how does it work going forward when the pope feels he may have had some influence there? >> well, i think the vatican or papacy is a very interesting actor on the world stage because on the one hand it's spiritual governance. on the other hand it is a sovereign entity as a city state. very much behind the scenes in a lot of parts of the world the vatican does play as a quiet intermediary because the church is located around the world. but often the work they do is extremely subtle. this is outside my area of expertise in terms of foreign policy, but i can tell you that the pope has a very profound bully pulpit when speaking about peace. we saw that with his trip to the middle east and his gathering of the palestinian authority president and the president of israel in rome after that trip

to the holy lands to pray for peace. you know, i think he has just by his persona and his bully pulpit, he has a very powerful influence. but understand that there is an infrastructure beneath him, a foreign service that has been extremely helpful in some situations. >> all right. father kevin o'brien, thank you so much. we have "fortune" magazine, holy reformer. this guy is totally changing everything. >> he's our guy. kevin will tell you that, he's our guy. kevin, it's a holy day of obligation. before you go, can you give me a quick pass on the way to the airport? >> listen, i can't do that, mike, but tell tim we're excited for him to come back to georgetown for his senior year. >> we are too. >> i bet you are. >> thank you so much, father. we're talking college and everybody is crying about their kids going, mike. but as i said the only thing worse than them going, is them staying. >> it's awful. >> mike says it's awful. coming up, how one man is

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with us now, the contributing editor of "the atlantic," graeme wood, who asks the question in the cover story is college doomed. graeme explores the ambitions and ambitious mission of an educational venture and in the piece he writes it boasts it will strip the university experience down to aspects that are shown to contribute directly to student learning. lectures, gone. tenure, gone. gothic architecture, football, ivy crawling up the walls, gone, gone and gone. so what's left is going to be leaner and cheaper. can a school that has no faculty offices, research labs, community spaces for students or professors paid to do scholarly work still be called a university? what a radical concept, graeme. strip it down to learning. >> yeah, it's very expensive to keep all those gardeners keeping

the ivy green. universities have a lot of things going on in them and they're not directly related to learning in every case so that's what minerva is trying to do. they're trying to take just the learning part, perfect it and keep the costs down. >> tell us who's behind this. >> there's a guy named ben nelson, who was an executive at snapfish, and he was somewhat unsatisfied with his experience as an undergraduate so he decided we could perfect this. there's a lot of money in education so if you get it right, there's a lot of money flowing in. >> is it online? >> in a sense. the students live in dorms together but the classes take place over computer interfaces so the professors could be anywhere in the world but the students are all getting together in classes, very small, 15 students or so, and taking seminars that are online. >> where is it located? >> the dorm that they have right now is in san francisco. another part of this is that

every university wants to have its international presence, so the dorm in san francisco is just the starting point and they're going to move on and have places in berlin, in buenos aires, in bombay. >> so what happens to tuition under this minerva project. let's say you're going to georgetown, $55,000 a year. >> the full ride is $28,000 per year and that's including room and board. >> something clearly has to happen, right, to the cost of american -- >> oh, it's ridiculous. >> -- higher education which is way outstripping inflation. when my 8-year-old goes to college, i've been told it's going to cost about $800,000. if the cost carries on rising at the rate that it is at the moment and this is potentially a solution. i wonder if there isn't a middle ground. it does seem that students still need to have a physical contact, contact with a teacher there. if you want to come back with questions. do it all online seems like it's going to be hard sell. >> we will soon see. we will have in the case of

minerva a good example of seminars being conducted probably as well as they can be online. we don't know what we'll lose if we don't have the students in physical proximity to their professors. >> why do the students live there then? if you're doing everything online, why not live wherever your home is and do it online. what's the difference here? >> i believe if you have the students together, you have many of the aspects of the university that are preserved. some of the social aspects that people remember the university for. they still have that but won't have to have professors who are willing to live in particular cities and they will be able to have a much lighter footprint than a university. >> you'll also be able to have ideas, you know, people talking and debating and being able to, you know -- >> there's no doubt that there are a lot of college educations that happens in colleges and universities. some of them are the ones that deal with books and classes and some of them deal with socialization. like people moving into adulthood in a social setting, that seems important. i'm curious whether there's an

ideology here, right, which is you could have a project like this which believes this is the one true way and this is the future. you could also have a different point of view, which is we're going to have an increasingly diverse range of academic offerings and this is just one maug model, one of many thousands of flowers that could bloom as college education gets unbundled. do they think this is the way of the future or one way of the future? >> one way of the future and they think there's one way of the past that's destined to go exstint really soon and that is the place a university is a place where you go and sit in a room with 500 other students and listen to one person talk in front of you. so it's a radical departure. but they believe if you can get online courses with 100,000 students in them working very well, you can strip down the university that people pay for to the seminars that work very well. >> just for the sake of mike barnicle, can you explain that a

mook is not an irish derogatory term. >> it's a massive online open course. it's a class that you can take online and watch video of a professor speaking. >> what's the admissions process? >> it's much like other universities in that you take a series of tests. they don't give you the s.a.t. in this case, they give you cognitive tests and have an interview over skype. so actually most of the students who are going to be going to minerva they expect will come from overseas, so they'll have interviews that take place over skype that are evalued by the university. >> this looks like a great issue, by the way. >> i would say every aspect that's good is a matter of luck. >> listen to the stories. these are great stories. how client hiysterics hurt thei

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cnbc's michelle caruso-cabrera. so vladimir putin is, i guess he's saying they're shipping like toys, teddy bears and chicken pot pies to ukraine. >> baby food, baby food. >> and baby food. yeah, baby food! was that baghdad bob that said -- >> baghdad bob. >> baby food back in the first guff war? >> yeah, milk of magnesia. >> so anyway, this russian convoy, we've got a mighty convoy going to the ukraine. the markets are responding to that. >> yeah, the markets have moved a lot because of russia news. in fact the markets have had a great, great week because vladimir putin in his speech yesterday, we're calling it his kumbaya moment where he was trying to make nice in a speech in crimea and the west was very concerned about this convoy that you're talking about, 280 trucks. was it a trojan horse filled with military equipment instead of what they said was baby food, water, et cetera. and were they going to let inspectors on board.

apparently they started letting ukrainian inspectors on board last night and this morning, so that appears to have de-escalated. that's helping the markets. at the same time, there are still thousands of troops amassed on the border even though one week ago today the foreign minister said the military exercises are over, so the fog of war continues completely. still, the bottom line the market is betting that russia is not going to invade ukraine in the near term. >> let us hope, michelle. all right, thank you so much. >> i like your convoy reference there. >> we've got a mighty convoy bucking all through the night, we've got a mighty convoy, ain't she a beautiful sight. >> perhaps one of the great lines of all time in the '70s. so we crash the gate doing 98, i say let them truckers roll, 10-4. you went out and bought a cd radio after that, didn't you? >> you bet i did. >> what was your handle? >> i can't say it on the air. >> i bet that phase just skipped right over the barnicle family.

>> no, no. >> breaker, breaker. good buddy. >> we had one on the hump in the middle -- you know when they used to have the hump in the front seat? we had one on the hump. >> we lived in upstate new york. everybody had them. >> wasn't there a movie version of that? >> there was. they turned convoy into a movie. >> that was right around the time when "smokey and the bandit" was the biggest thing in america. >> was burt reynolds in it? >> it was the same era. >> i remember this. >> even in london? >> even in london. >> all right. there we go. ♪ so coming up next, one tourist got a chance to see some wildlife. in this case a massive crocodile chasing them. we will let you know whether the

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oh, yeah. what did we learn today? mike barnicle. >> willie nelson, listen to him all weekend. >> john. >> the fact that the cb radio craze was so big that is drew kris chris taufrson into a movie

about it. >> i want to see if carol king accepts your challenge. >> willie nelson still performing, also with his 84-year-old sister. >> college is expensive and we're out of time. >> very good, look at you playing by the rules. reminds me of an old story from congress. okay, we're getting late. >> bye. >> if it's way too early, it's "morning joe." thank you as always for your patience this week as always, friends. i know i pushed it several times. stick around because "the daily rundown" starts now. ♪ developing news in ferguson, missouri. any minute now we are expecting the ferguson police chief to release the name of the officer who allegedly shot and killed michael brown. that after last night, which was a very different scene playing out in the city streets. overseas, new hopes in the fight against isis as iraq's prime minister maliki steps down. and challenging cochran. nearly two