mirrors. the fact it came out this morning and no one had heard anything about this before very troublesome to them. >> this is a fluid developing situation, breaking news, thanks for hanging with me. that is all for us. live from new york, i'm michael eric dyson in for ed shultz. >> the shooting of michael brown was darren wilson. >> new facts are out. >> the allegations say he stole some type of tobacco product. >> nothing should deter figuring out how and why michael brown was killed. >> this community, we're all in

mourning. >> it is brought to surface, all that dif vids the community of ferguson. >> now is the time for healing. now is the time for peace and calm on the streets of ferguson. six days of protest turned the suburb of ferguson into the center for racism. local police identified the officer who shot and killed unarmed teenager michael brown. >> the officer that was involved in the shooting of michael brown was darren wilson, he's been a police officer for six years, has had no disciplinary action taken against him. he was treated for injuries which occurred on saturday. again, i won't be taking any questions at this time but the packets will be handed out by my officers. >> those packets chief jackson

referred to are 16 pages of documents detaling robbery allegedly committed by michael brown, which occurred less than 15 minutes before he was fatally shot by officer darren wilson. according to the documents, brown was the primary suspect in the robbery of a ferguson convenience store. surveillance stills and video were also released. police say the footage shows michael brown and another suspect strong arming a convenience store worker after allegedly stealing a box of mini cigars but police did not release a picture of darren wilson who shot michael brown and did not release two incident reports of the shooting itself. with those revelations, the feeling among those in the community who have been demanding justice and begging for transparency for nearly a week is changing. >> it would be a whole lot different now that the state police have taken over. we're seeing more progress and getting more information. >> there's not as much tension but i feel a great positive force that's in the air.

there's a lot of hope. >> i was extremely excited, almost emotional to the point of tears because the unity between the people regardless of the race, everybody holding hands, lifting up their hands. >> there's another big shift on the streets. point person do you thinkties have been handed over to missouri highway patrol captain ron johnson. here's what he said earlier at the news conference. >> last night was a great night. great night. there was no calls for service. we did not deploy tear gas. we did not have any roadblocks. we did not make any arrests. it was a good night. >> while the fbi has opened an investigation into the shooting, lawyers for the family of the unarmed 18-year-old man are renewing their calls for a fair investigation. they are calling today's document release a character assassination of their son following a brutal assassination of his person in broad daylight. they released this statement through their attorneys a shortd

time ago. the prolonged release of the officer aegs name and then the subsequent information regarding a robbery is the reason why the family and local community have such distruflt for the local law enforcement agencies. it is no way transparent to release the still photographs alleged to be michael brown and refuse to release the photographs of the officer that executed him. benjamin crump joins me now. thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me, dr. dyson. >> the family thinks this timing is strategic to release these photo mantajs and then the video of michael brown allegedly committing a robbery through a strong arm in order to undermine and sub vert his reputation and to smear him as to attract attention away from the fact that the photographs of the

police officer have not been released. what is your thought about that? >> dr. dyson the family was beyond outraged and very upset to say the least. but i told them, you know, just police 101 and you've written about this before in your books, that they always try to attack the victim. it's character assassination. and you know, it's trying to distract you from the real issue. the real issue here is that this young man was executed in broad daylight. there's no other way to say when you look at the trajectory of the bullets and how many times he was shot. and for what? whatever transpired in that store? he put his hands up. all of the witnesses say he put his hands up. that's the universal sign for surrender. and he kept shooting hardened

criminals in the history, once they put the hands up, we didn't execute them, not saddam hussein, not anybody. he was executed on the street. that's what we got to get down to, not trying to assassinate his character. >> earlier today there was some confusion initially, people assumed that the police chief was suggesting there was a correlation between the release of that videotape and the fact that the officer was informed about the robbery and therefore saw him as a suspect but later on clarified, there was no relationship between the two that darren wilson did not know that michael brown was a suspect in that robbery. does that add even more fuel to your fire? to suggest that we have to disentangle these two events and suggest this man due process in the courts and should not have been executed as you claim he was? >> absolutely. when you think about why was

that released this morning? they released a 15 page report about something that had absolutely nothing to do with what everybody in ferguson and indeed everybody all across america is wanting to know. there's a color blind curiosity as to what happened to cause a police officer to shoot multiple times an unarmed teenager in broad daylight. now, that's the report we're waiting for, chief, we're not wanting to have you assassinate his character and spend money and resources. we want a report as to what happened, trajectory, the autopsy, because then we can get to the crux of the matter and people can see if michael brown's family is going to get justice. >> do you think images of the police officers should also be released? >> you know, transparency is the key, a lot of people said, well, they released stuff on michael brown. but how does that build goodwill

with the community who is also distrustful of local law enforcement when they won't release the photograph of the man who executed michael brown but they try to release pictures of michael brown in the most threatening manner and so forth. it's just not fair to december sem nature piecemeal information that is for your benefit and not for due process for everybody. >> all right, attorney benjamin crump, thank you so much for your time. >> thank for having me. >> joining me by phone is ron johnson, captain of the missouri highway patrol. captain johnson, thank you for joining ugs. >> no problem. >> your presence in ferguson made a huge difference. do you think that's a case and argument in defense of community policing. police people were in the street walking with and marching with the protesters out there and you were very poignant when you suggested that you came from

that community, that you knew the restaurants and knew the people there. that's an argument it seems to me for community policing. >> i believe community policing is definitely the key to relationships with our communities. >> and earlier today you stepped away from the microphone to make sure the community could hear the things that you were saying because you said something very important. look, after the media is gone and all of the cameras are gone and everybody else, you and the people there would still be there. tell us what tone were you setting and what message were you sending? >> i think the message that law enforcement is a part of the community. the answer to everyone that lives in the community, no matter age or gender or race, i want to make sure they understand that i believe in that and that's what will be para mount here in the days i'm here and days to come. >> right. and you anticipate no trouble tonight because the tone has been shifted dramatically by your presence. >> the tone was better last

night. the tone has changed a little bit with the release of the video this morning. we're trying to work through that and provide understanding of what occurred today. it's important for people to understand that when the police treat people like human beings and not like animals, they respond in kind like human beings and not like animals. is that an important message that police departments across the nation need to understand? yes, you must keep the peace for sure, but you must also treat people with dignity and respect. >> i think dignity and respect are two great words to describe how we must treat all of the citizens we serve. >> well, tell us about this. you're obviously an african-american man. you said this was not about black or white, indeed it's about right versus wrong. but tell us as a black man from that community and a police officer, there's obviously some skepticism towards the police

and yet you are acting in a way that is dignified and respectful of those people. tell us about your understanding of the skepticism that black people have towards the police and what we can do to resolve it? >> i think i talked about earlier, the way my parents brought me up and raised me is the way police must be. that's all i know. so yesterday my actions were based off of all that i know and all that i've been. and i think that we have to treat people the way we wanted to be treated and that has to continue. this community, if i was in another community, my actions would be the same. >> captain ron johnson, thank you for joining us today. >> thank you. >> let me bring in karen finney and dr. marshall chatland assistant professor at georgetown university. there are a lot of jurisdictions involved, captain ron johnson with the highway ba trol,

ferguson police department and st. louis community police. could the investigation get cloudy by so many hands so to speak involved? >> it could, but it shouldn't. i think as you were pointing out earlier when you were talking to benjamin crump, there are different pieces to what happened. there was one piece related to the video released today and that robbery. that has nothing to do with the shooting that took place 15 minutes later on the street. my hope would be and i think part of what you're seeing is a level of incompetence from the police department. i hope as the investigation proceeds, we will see much more clarity in terms of separating out which -- what the issues are and where the various crime scenes are and investigations around each of those crime scenes so we stay clear and focused on what the real issues are here. >> marsha, is it possible that documents released today could cause further community outrage or at least unrest? do you think it will tamper down

because people are at least getting more information? >> i think there's been excellent leadership and new tone has been set by captain johnson. so i think that the real issue will be people focusing on moving forward. this distraction of the character assassination hasn't worked because people have been focused on the long-term struggle with the police over police brutality and underserved schools that people have worked and lived and attended and more than anything else, i think that there's a real sense that this is the turning point and this is the moment for ferguson. so these documents are going to be taken in the spirit that they were released. >> i want to ask you briefly then karen briefly. what about the federal response to this? do you think something needs to be done more to intervene. >> the department of justice has pledged some of its resources to ferguson. i have 100% faith in eric holder that he'll take this seriously based on things he said in the

past about police brutality. many believe obama's message fell short and in a lot of ways it did because this is not just about michael brown. but it's about the policies and procedures that aloup a town like ferguson to exist. the lack of proportional representation in terms of race. the school system and the fact that the police believe they could actually get away with this. >> ms. finney? >> it's very important in this instance, given what we've seen officer johnson did a fantastic job last night helped change the tone. we know the police department there has horribly mishandled this situation. when you have reporters having tear gas thrown at them, protesters having tear gas thrown at them, such a militaryized state on the streets in the aftermath of a situation like this, then the video release, it shows the need for some oversight of this investigation. because frankly, i don't think this police department is ready for prime time.

i don't think that they quite are -- i don't think they can be trusted in terms of their competency. i'm not suggesting that they are maliciously trying to hide anything but they made bad decision after bad decision after bad decision. i think with a real tone deafness to the real estate action re -- reaction in the community and need to restore that sense of trust in the community. it's important that the department of justice have oversight at this point. >> thanks so much for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> coming up, american neighbors and neighborhoods turn into militaryized zones. and later looking for more leadership in this time of crisis. the rapid response panel weighs in. if energy could come from anything?.

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missouri is a stark contrast over the past few days, michael brown's death after being shot by police has brouts the issue of overpolicing in america front and center. steve cohen and john conyers and robert scott demanded action. in letters to the judiciary committee they wrote, the use of overwhelming force by police against unarmed citizens requires our urgent attention. it's imperative to examine theish issues as soon as possible. >> it escalated into violence in the street. police in ferguson were armed with military style assault rifles and armored vehicles. these police don't resemble anyone's typical view of a police officer. officers in ferguson lock like they are straight off the battlefield in afghanistan. citizens of ferguson are taking notice. >> i didn't go to iraq to defend

iraqis to come home and watch my neighbors get brutalized and responding to tanks and snipers to peaceful protest is ridiculous. there should be no tanks on u.s. streets. >> these three senior departments wants to hold hearings to examine the handling of the violence that erupted in ferguson. steve cohen of tennessee joins me now. what response have you gotten so far to your call for a hearing on the violence? >> well, we haven't gotten a response. we sent our request to the judiciary committee, bob good latty, i'm not sure he's available but hope he will have a hearing. it's important we have hearing and determine what the necessity is of military type equipment being in the hands of local police. >> do you see this trending upward, is it something that's getting worse and on a worse trajecto trajectory? >> it appears to. you never saw this type of

display before, unless you were looking at something in the ukraine or maybe 20-some odd years ago at tiananmen square. you don't see it in america. there's not a need forearmered cars and mk-47s and camouflage hoopla that may have evolved into a more serious situation than was already on the scene. i think the fact that the moursz officials brought in the national guard and things have calmed down. the police exacerbated the problem and bringing the force they brought didn't soothe matters, they worsened matters. >> to be sure. claire mccaskill is saying it's time to reconsider tactics. >> after 9/11 in a sometimes knee jerk fashion we began

equipping police departments with all kinds of tools that had not been typical of policing in this country. and maybe it's time to look at all of that and make a determination as to how effective is a show of what is military force. >> do you agree with senator mccaskill? >> well, i think we have to reexamine it. i can understand the need possibly if there's a terrorist threat and if -- there could be a terrorist threat with people high cartridge ammunition and weaponry, where they might need to respond with some type -- something like that although the national guard will be called out but not against our own citizens and not against our own citizens when there is civil unrest and protest. even if it got to the point where it did where they are breaking glass, that's no reason to come with the amount of force and appearance that was brought by the police in ferguson.

>> thursday john lewis called for president obama to federalize the missouri national guard to take control of the streets. what would that kind of action do? >> i think what the missouri authorities did was sufficient to calm the situation. i think that would have done it as well. i think shifting the ferguson police out with their military style equipment and bringing in i believe the governor brought in the national guard or state troopers. whoever he brought in to calm the situation, it was effectively dealt with by the authorities. >> should there be more accountability for police behavior? >> no question about it. there have been killings particularly of african-american males throughout this country. there was one in new york. there was apparently an unarmed man in los angeles, just a young man was in ferguson, missouri. it's -- there's a pattern and the pattern is disturbing and one of not looking at young

african-americans and african-american males as being people that should get due process and get respect and get resort to deadly force and not use it on just impulse. >> representative steve cohen, thanks for joining us tonight. >> you're welcome. michael. >> coming up, rand paul weighs in on the mike brown tragedy. later, louis gohmert's case against what he calls undocumented democrats. he lands in tonight's pretenders. stay tuned. you make a great team.

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environment in a u.s. city simply unacceptable. rand paul echoed his speech to the urban league a month ago. >> our nation has come a long way since the civil rights movement but we must realize that race still plays a role in the enforcement of the law. anyone who thinks that race does not still, even inadvertently secure the application of criminal justice is not paying close attention. >> ron johnson, who we heard from earlier today to take charge of policing in ferguson. immediately emphasized respect as a necessity in the police force. >> i grew up here and this is my community and home. therefore it means a lot to me personally that we break this cycle of violence and defusion the tension and build trust showing respect for every citizen. >> he understands the frustration of the people

because he is of them. what about our commander in chief? the president's commentary on ferguson cast a neutrality that ignored the reality. police must protect and serve. this is not a selective on subjective responsibility. president obama failed in his leadership to say what he really knows and lived as a black man in america. mr. obama, you know this is deeper than michael brown. this is about the constant harassment to which black people and brown people and others are subject. this is about an unjust criminal justice system that continues to demonize black boys and girls. this is about you understanding in your own body and skin where you live existent shally, the plight and predidment of black people occupied by a police force that refuses to acknowledge their fundamental humanity. you are a constitutional scholar. you know that this nation has not done just by its people and

as the vox voice of the people, the person that we depend upon to tell the truth in the two years you have left, you must relinquish your fear and stand up and tell the truth as only you can do. you wrote one of the most brilliant biographies of self auto buy graph cal memoirs that told the truth about what it means to confront a complicated black identity. we cannot let president obama off the hook because we know he's capable of pushing a larger and necessary dialogue of race injustice in this country. yes, you you may take a hit you about you take a hit when you talk about iraq or gay marriage. you take a hit over what happens in the environment. stand up for another section of the population, the very people from whom you emerge and by whom you are represented across this nation. you gave a press conference

talking about iraq. and a people who were a minority people under siege in the community. there was another one in america under siege and you failed them, sir. i say this as your friend and i love you and a surrogate twice, but step up and be brave and courageous. joining me now is our rapid response panel and msnbc contributor and director of african studies at lehigh university. >> there is never an excuse for violence against police or for those who would use this tragedy as a cover for vandalism or looting. there's also no excuse for police to use excessive force against peaceful protests. we need to hold ourselves to a high standard, particularly those in position of high authority. >> do you think president obama is telling the whole story there? >> i wish he would have led that

a little differently. reality is the issue is not necessarily about what the response was to michael brown's murder but michael brown's murder itself and what that's indicative of. if he would have led with there's no excuse for these unjustifiable homicides that we're seeing occurring not just in ferguson but also this week in l.a., two weeks ago we saw it in new york with eric garner, there's too much of a pattern. the issue is both too volatile but also too poisonous for him not to have led with that in terms of this. i wish he could have placed more emphasis on what the real issue is. to me, the issue is certainly not violence against police. how could you expect that community to respond after what they have gone through being terrorized by that murder and leaving of that body in the street for hours. how could you expect them to respond to the militarized front set up in response to their

peaceful protest, set up in anticipation of how they might respond? i think you're right, the president missed the mark here. it would have been to me a much more bolder and assertive and accurate statement to leave what the issue at hand was, the murders of this young man. for all we know and all of the evidence, even the most recent stuff, it still seems to me injustice fibl. >> we know in light of dr. peterson's brilliant analysis, that the president is in a difficult position and at the same time, he feels if tez f he speaks about race he takes a hit. what does he stand to lose now with two years left and the reality is he has to make a mark in terms of his legacy in regard to the central issue to america? >> he stands to lose the senate. it is all about the midterms, being very cautious. i'm very sympathetic to him and trying to walk and chew gum mentally at the same time. just as it's very difficult to be a policeman and easy to be a

policeman who doesn't shoot unarmed black kids, the president finds himself in a very precarious position where if he shows outrage we want to see, we know the limbo, we'll call him unpresidential, angry black man -- >> they are going to do that anyway. >> and that's the frustration. we know their 23% will stand up and vote. i said before, we've seen obama the vulcan, i want to see obama the han solo. it is one thing to be cautious in the name of not damaging the senate for democrats but passion and inspiring people will turn a lot more voters out. i wish we would see that side of the man because he's very capable of sticking up for righteous law enforcement while still sticking it to the injustices that upset just as many white folks as min orts. >> to pick it up on what he's saying, we don't want the price of admission to the club to be the denial of the participation of the black people. we don't want to lose the senate and don't want to lose our dignity and respect. well beyond the senate's

election or loss of the election is the concrete dignity that black people should be the recipients of. how does the president balance a consideration of what he said there but at the same time pay attention to the need to address serious issues with sit citizens? >> i think passion or compassion is certainly called for in these kind of situations. showed us some of that when he spoke about the trayvon martin/zimmerman situation. i'm asking for accuracy, though. i think again, it's just more accurate to be speaking about what the real challenge here is and when you look at these cases and look at the frequency of these cases, the real challenge is not about american citizens trying to protest and resist powerful militarized police forces. the real challenges are the biases in criminal justice system and policies like stop and frisk and ways in which policing has gone unchecked and

a lot of ways out of control and resulting in the deaths of young people of color, both men and women. >> the poverty to prison pipeline. this is a president who still hasn't addressed mass incarceration and never used the words prison industrial complex. this kind of violence we see is not the problem. poverty is the problem. this violence is the symptom of this problem. >> right. to both of you, jay nix son has been castgated for keeping a distance, almost being clinical from the scene of the crime and not being connected to the people. is president obama in one sense guilty of the same? >> this kind of -- this is the big rap on democrats that liberals have, they are like clark kent without a phone bo . booth. when you take those risks, you inspire people to go to the polls. playing it safe won't help you

keep the senate. the gop's 23% will be showing up and koch brothers will be busing them to the polls. and i think you get a lot farther with that standing up for all mefrns against police brutality because this happens to poor white folks too. >> absolutely. what do you think? >> for governor nixon, the stakes are very high as a democratic governor of missouri. he's quite vulnerable. any time democrats speak out against anything that's perceived as law and order, it's kind of a death nell for them as politicians. but i would love to see political leaders step outside of the political box. if you're governor nixon, get on the ground as others have mentioned. this is your katrina, you have to be there. that to me transcends your political office. when your state is falling apart in that way and citizens are being confronted by and engaging military itzed police force over the death of a young black boy, the reality is, politics has to be set aside. >> briefly, same for president

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there's a level of frustration and despair that comes with seeing people -- black and brown people being gunned down. >> that attack on him is an attack on anyone. how can you trust the police that smiles at you but will shoot your neighbor? >> police brutality, murder, racism, it's not going to be tolerated anymore. >> we deserve to be protected by

the police. black men do not deserve to be targeted and gunned down. every time it happens you want to hope that it's the last time. but then it's not. >> how do i feel comfortable knowing the people who are supposed to serve and protect are the same ones that are brutalizing you is this. >> welcome back. protesters across the country joined residents of ferguson, missouri, to express frustration thursday over the police-involved shooting death of michael brown. this instance of bru ti renewed interest on policies that target african-american and minority men and women. one of the most notable is the nypd's stop and frix polisk pol. one man was stopped over 60 times before his 18th birthday. >> when i was young i used to debate a lot with my parents. they told me you should be a lawyer. i used to play around and watch a lot of stuff like "law & order." i loved that show.

it was so confusing when it happened. i thought you had to do something. after that i seen that you didn't have to do nothing to get stopped. most of the times when i get stopped, i'm walking down the block. they never say this is why i'm stopping you. when you're young and you're black, no matter how you look, you fit the description. >> the cop car pulled up right here. it was a patrol car. two cops came out, lined us up and he started patting me down. i said, why are you stopping us? the cop looked at me and said, are you are trying to be a smart ass. he grabbed me off the wall and said, you're doing graffiti. i seen the wall and i'm like,

how is it graffiti if it's black and i have a pink highlighter in my pocket? i have been taken in a lot of times. if you stop me, i want to know why. that's when you hear the change in their tone. they get more aggressive. you feel threatened. if you're going to talk back, we're going to take you in. if you're going to ask questions we'll take you in. you sit in the precinct for eight, nine hours with people you don't know. they put the cuffs on tight. it stinks. you don't get fed. all this time you know i'm innocent. they kept me there until 4:00 in the morning, let me out the back door. >> joining me now is a new york city council man. thanks for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> has the death of michael brown moved the conversation on police brutality? >> i think the death of michael brown in ferguson and eric gardner in staten island. i want to give a shout out to debbie rose, my colleague doing

a terrific job. it's bringing it to light. there are three things we have to deal with whether it's stop, question, and frisk, broken windows theory, fundamentally we have to acknowledge there is a problem with the way police people base on race and class. we have to deal with discretion of officers and accountability which is basically nil when it comes to shooting unarmed, particularly black men. if we don't deal with those things honestly, any theory on top of that will fall into historical patterns. >> right. >> we spend time fighting the abuse. now people are dealing with broken windows thee ary. you do that and if you don't deal with the cultural shift that needs to happen, you can put the best police policy on top of that. we'll fall into historical patterns. i'm hoping like in the '60s television showed us what was happening. now with the cell phone video the same thing is happening. it's hard for people to ignore that race and class is an issue

here. if you ignore it, it's a problem. even in new york city there is a reluctance to say that. if you don't validate people's experience, how do you take the next step forward? >> good point. the head of the naacp legal and defense fund suggests there is a culture that we have to deal with here that pervades police departments across america. do you see a relationship between the culture to which he refers and the overpolicing oh of minority communities? >> 100%. just throughout the nation's history we have over policed black and brown communities. we try to use excuses to do so. but you look at what broken window theories go after and the theory makes sense. it's the application. between 2008 and 2011 per year in park slope, let's say, where you have eight to ten a year of people getting summons for bicycles primarily in a white period and over 2000. look at the marijuana arrests.

at least people use it the same. black and brown people get it the most. i do know you look at the heroin epidemic and the social response to that was police now carry antidotes for heroin overdose. the way we do it is amazing. people act like it's not race, not class. if we don't get to the core, we have to do a cultural shift. no amount of retraining. no amount of anything is going to deal with that. we shouldn't be afraid to do and say what we know is happening and can see what's happening. until we do, what's the point? we call for new commissioners, dismantling of theories. if we don't get to the heart, validate experiences and say we have done this wrong, we are going to correct it, what do you expect to happen? >> so they carry antidotes for the heroin because they treat them acidses with an addiction as opposed to criminalizing them. do you think people don't

believe there is any kind of possible way out of the morass we find ourselves in except for overpolicing? >> so even with the violence model -- and i have said it before. when the violence was a different complexion a leader at that time said these people need jobs, education. the programs that came out were to give people jobs and education. when it happened to us they said they were a victim of their own self-destruction. they are killing each other as animals. that didn't happen here. i'm happy to say that at least mayor deblasio took a lot of recommendatio recommendations we are moving in that direction when it comes to new york city which i'm excited about. i hope the nation watches what's going on. as a nation, if we don't acknowledge the truth we are not going to move forward. >> council man williams, thank you very much for your time. that's "the ed show." i'm michael eric dyson in for ed

schultz. "politics nation" starts now. good evening. >> good evening. thanks to you for tuning in. breaking news out of ferguson, missouri, where it's been a rollercoaster day of dramatic events around the deadly shooting of unarmed teenager michael brown. we start tonight with these two images. on the left, a picture released by ferguson police this morning of michael brown apparently robbing a convenience store last saturday, taking a box of cigars. on the right, michael brown's body just minutes after leaving that convenience store where he was shot by a police officer. the surveillance video and incident report were released around 10:00 a.m. police left the impression that brown was shot by an officer pursuing him because of