an unarmed teen in ferguson, missouri. and this past week the city and the nation have been on an emotional roller coaster ride. we have so many questions still and we actually might get more answers in just about an hour. also, we're expecting to hear from texas governor rick perry today, actually just a short time from now. he was just indicted on two felonies. he's accused of abusing his power. we'll lay out the investigation that led to these charges. i want to say good afternoon to you all. i'm t.j. holmes in today for craig melvin. breaking story, it has been the breaking story for the past week. out of ferguson, missouri. one week now after the police shooting that left missouri teenager michael brown dead. the demand for answers still growing. and we still don't have the answer to the central burning question -- how in the world did an encounter between a cop and an unarmed teen end with the young man dead?

sprawled out on the street. and that was just afternoon time a week ago today. well, today, tensions remain high amid more protests and calls for peace. residents cleaning up today after another night of unrest. this is the latest in the dramatic week of protests. but it was the release yesterday of these images, this is the surveillance video. almost -- allegedly showing michael brown engaging in a strong arm robbery shortly before the shooting. last night, there was break away protesters who turned to looting at at least two stores last night. members of the community stepped in to help prevent that from happening. that's what you're seeing there. young men who came out to block some of those looters and not let them in. this is an important part and an important image to give you the full picture of what's happening in ferguson. well, in response to some of that looting, police did throw

at least one can of tear gas. then backed off for the most part. there were no arrests last night. reverend al sharpton, head of the national action network and of course a host here on msnbc was among those who urged peaceful protest last night, but earlier today in new york reverend sharpton shared his outrage of the release of the surveillance by the police, calling it a smear. >> and there's nothing more contemptible and offensive to the people of this country than for law enforcement to try to smear a dead man or dead child that can't speak for themselves. >> now, we do want to let you know we're keeping an eye on the clock. stay here with us, we are expecting a press conference in just a bit from missouri governor jane nixon and highway patrol captain ron johnson. he's now in charge of security operations in the city of ferguson. we're expecting that within the

hour. you'll see that live when we do get it. right now, the latest from msnbc reporter todd johnson, who is on the ground in ferguson. give us the clear or best picture you with some perspective on what happened last night. yes, we saw some looting and a canister of tear gas, but was it the same type of unrest we had seen several other nights this week? >> i think a lot of people woke up this morning and looked at all of the stores boarded up and damaged and kind of collectively asked what happened? what happened to the peaceful protests and demonstration, that happened thursday night, and gave so much positive reinforcement to the people that just wanted answers. a lot of people that i talked to today and this morning feel like the community and this entire ordeal has taken some steps back because of what happened last night. because of the minority of folk who decided to go into those stores and destroy property and take things from the liquor

store and the meat market and other stores that were damaged. people are shrugging their shoulders saying, what happened? weren't we getting closer to the answers and those answers are more far away than they have been. >> what's key now? it seems like every time there's a press conference, every time someone comes out and tries to give the media information, we're left with more questions. what is the key question that people want answered from the authorities and maybe we'll get those at the top of the hour, but what's still key for the community right now? >> t.j., you said it in your intro. the key question and really the only question people have and really want to know is what happened? that midday, last saturday, when michael brown lost his life? what were the circumstances under the altercation that allegedly happened between michael brown and this officer that led to this officer using his weapon and using this deadly force? we're now a week removed from

that incident and we still do not know what happened. we haven't heard from the ferguson police department that gave us a time line of the events to kind of describe to the community if there's been any developments in finding that answer, all we know and all we have been focused on really is the events that night. the demonstrations at night. are they peaceful, will there be rioting and looting? every moment and minute we focus on that and not the crucial question of what happened to -- surrounding mike brown's death. this community will get more and more upset. so it's really just an endless cycle of non and misinformation and we're getting further away from the main issue at hand which is michael brown's life being lost. >> all right, todd johnson thank you, so much on the ground in ferguson. and michael crumb talked to my colleague, alex witt, earlier today. >> many are distrustful of the

ferguson police department. why would you release photographs of michael brown, but not of the person who shot him? >> now, let me bring in missouri state representative walton gray who represents parts of missouri and pamela means, president elect of the national bar association. ms. walton gray, how much of a set back was last night? >> well, i don't think last night was a set back. it is very clear to me that those persons who engaged in that behavior of the destruction last night are not part of this community here. the children, the youth, the young people, they are very concerned. and they care about michael and what happened to him. they would not have done that, because they want to see justice take place. and they want to be heard.

so what happened last night, it is very clear that those people are not part of this community. >> how is the community right now, would you say, ms. pamela means, how is the community rebuilding trust -- since captain johnson came in first of all? how is that working? they're having to be protected by a police force for the most part in ferguson that they don't trust at this moment. >> i think the community did gain some trust with that gentleman coming into the area. i believe he stabilized it, however, i agree with you, t.j. it is about restoring the trust in area. that's the reason why the national bar association is calling on eric holder and the president to come in to this area and to take over this investigation, to bring integrity back to the process. once trust is breached, it is very difficult to get it back.

and in this case, i think what you saw yesterday, what you have been seeing in the days previous to that, is trust damaged. trust can only be restored if a third party comes in and takes over this investigation. >> back to you, rochelle. what happened? how has -- how did things change or how did you sense them change in the community after the release yesterday after the surveillance video that was to show allegedly mike brown robbing a convenience store? how did that change the tone of what's happening in ferguson? >> well, it did change their mindset. they became angry. people were angry and upset about that because they did not feel that the focus should have been placed upon that video. we need to focus on getting a fair and equitable investigation and not trying to cloud up the situation by bringing in unsubstantiated information.

so they were very upset at that time, but as a community we try to ask them to just see it for what it was. and move on past that and just continue to fight and protest for a fair investigation and that this is a -- this comes to be a justifiable and -- >> pamela, last thing to you here. what will this do? do you think long term or at least long term in terms of trying to draw attention possibly to what's happening in ferguson with the police department is 95% white and the community that's 70% black and some of the numbers in terms of the police stops and are you hopeful down the road when things start to calm down, we're bringing attention to something positive will come of this? >> oh, absolutely. i think mike brown puts a face on what we see the epidemic that's happening in america. the national bar association is -- has taken a 25-state

survey where it's sent sunshine requests to look at problems like this pervasive around the country. i think this brings a height to what is the new civil rights issue here and what we have to be concerned about and happy about this situation is that this situation tells us that we have a problem in america. not just in ferguson, missouri, but in america. because mike brown is only one of 21 african-american unarmed men that have been killed by law enforcement since 1999. he puts a face on all of those parents that have lost sons and fathers that have lost children. so absolutely, i think this helps long term. it's something that the national bar association is looking into. we're educating the community about their rights and letting them know that there are things that they can do if they know their rights, they could perhaps save their life and not end up where mike brown was. because we think that was a tragic situation and we believe that long term his life and his legacy will lead to positive

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and that drones that are targeting the isis. what u.s. officials do tell us is that they are convinced or they believe at least that isis has not -- has not got explosives around that dam or is going to destroy it, because the big fear had been when they went in to try to retake the dam, which is an incredibly important asset, supplying electricity and water to a big swath of this country, that isis would destroy it, triggering an environmental disaster. but they're convinced they're not in a position to do that, but clearly an urgency to take it back. now, as that was unfolding today we got more details about this reported massacre. now, these details come from kurdish officials who quote eyewitnesses who say that the islamic militants surrounded another village. they demanded the people in the village convert to islam and when they refused they moved in and massacred 80 men and

abducted women and children. although there has been some relief to refugees up in the mountains, that the terror, the brutality in other parts of this area at the hands of those militants does continue, t.j. >> ian, can you take 30 seconds and give perspective on the significance of this dam? >> this dam is incredibly important. not only in terms of the electricity and the water it supplies and the devastating impact if it should be destroyed. but also as a symbol. isis seized it as a demonstration of their own prowess at their -- that they're more than a rag tag militia. for the same reason it's so important that the iraqis take it back. i think symbolically retaking this dam, especially in the joint operation between iraqi forces and kurdish forces

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the top of the hour. set to deliver a statement after being indicted by a grand jury last night. this possible 2016 candidate has been charged with coercion of a public servant. he followed through on a promise to veto $7.5 million for the public integrity unit run by the travis county district attorney. he could face between seven and 109 years in prison if convicted. a statement was released last night. the veto was made in accordance with every governor and we'll continue to defend his constitutional action and believe we'll ultimately prevail. we have a reporter from the austin american statesman. how big of a deal is this in texas right now? >> t.j., this was a bombshell last night. i talked to numerous defense

attorneys, prosecutors, former defense attorneys, former prosecutors, very, very few people saw this coming. in fact, the only real hint that this was coming was an -- it came from an interview i did several months ago with the prosecutor, a special prosecutor in this case. he said during that interview that he was extremely concerned about the governor's conduct, but beyond that, there has been no real inkling that this was about to happen. >> all right. now, we're going to hear from the governor at the top of the hour. but he talked about this investigation in particular to nbc's casey hunt. >> you are facing a probe into what happened with the office of public integrity in travis county. did you or anyone on your staff commit a crime when that occurred? >> no, no. i have been the governor for coming on 14 years, seven legislative sessions. and i know the constitution and the duties of the governor. and vetoing a line item is certainly within the rights and the law and the constitution of the state of texas.

very confident that vetoing a line item for whatever reason is an appropriate thing for a governor to do. >> all right. now, he can veto a line item, but the issue here and you break this down a little bit for us here, the issue is not just that he used the veto. it's that he threatened to use it in the first place and he did that publicly. >> well, that's exactly right. according to prosecutors. there is no doubt that the governor has constitutional veto authority. what is in question here is the alleged threat that preceded that use of his veto authority. rosemary lehmberg, the district attorney had been arrested for drunk driving. she is a long time democrat, republican -- the governor of course is a republican. he threatened her in june, just as he was getting ready to sign off on the budget and basically said after her drunk driving arrest, listen, you resign or i'm going to veto money from

your office. $7.2 million to her office. >> all right. last thing here, a grand jury though did end up indicting but some question about the politics of the county where this grand jury was in the first place. >> well, there is no question that travis county is a sea of blue and a largely red state, overwhelmingly red state. the assumption is that most of the grand jurors who reviewed this case are democrats. so it will be interesting to see as this case goes forward where it's actually going to be tried. will it be tried potentially here in travis county or will the governor's attorney seek a change of venue to get it to a more red county. >> all right. thank you so much. great insights there. we appreciate you. well, again, a reminder we will be hearing from the governor, expect to hear from him at the top of the hour. we'll be listening in.

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from purina. i know that emotions are raw right now in ferguson. >> wearing combat boots, holding assault weapons. >> i've tried to deal -- i can barely breathe. >> what kind of response, does it kind of provoke? >> i don't think it helps take the tension out of the situation. >> i want to be part of the solution. >> it's clearly bigger than the chief of ferguson. >> i'm announcing that missouri highway patrol under the supervision of captain ron johnson -- >> i grew up here. >> he was hugging people. he was apologizing to people. >> you can tell that captain johnson apologize and said he's soshry. >> in the heart of it all, a very different scene. >> we are expecting the ferguson police chief to release the name. >> the officer that was involved in the shooting of michael brown was darren wilson. >> along with an incident report of a robbery, the camera video

that the police believe but cannot confirm shows brown involved in the strong arm robbery. >> the initial contact between the officer and mr. brown was not related to the robbery. >> people are really concerned the police department may be putting up a smoke screen in between them and the truth. >> hands up. >> you can see there it has been a week of dramatic developments in the aftermath of the shooting of unarmed teenager michael brown and today ferguson, missouri, cleaning up after another night of protests and unrest including a small group of break away looters who were met by fellow protesters. you see them right there, blocking the looters from entering the stores. latest anger surrounds the decision by police releasing a video, allegedly showing brown shoving a store clerk and stealing a box of cigars. this was minutes before the shooting. we're expected to get more this afternoon at some point in a press conference from governor

nixon and highway patrolman johnson. as soon as we get confirmation of that will happen, we'll bring it to you. with me here in new york, mark claxton director of the black law enforcement alliance and the executive director of the million hoodies movement. in los angeles, lisa blume, author of "suspicion nation." i have a couple of important legal questions to get to you with you, lisa, in a second, but how many of you when that surveillance video was released of what appeared to be mike brown intimidating a store clerk did you react the way i reacted, just deflated and your heart sank and you go, here we go. we knew what would happen? >> it doesn't surprise me that the police department released

that type of information. i think it's -- i think it's an indication that it's an attempt to criminalize the victim as we have seen happen over and over again. by criminalizing the victim we're able to deny them their fundamental human rights. that's what's happening in this case. mike brown had his hands up. there's no reason that the officer should have proceeded and shot him a number of times that he did. the police department said we're justified in pursuing and killing mike brown. >> we have seen this before. is the theme. this almost follows a playbook as some have been saying. >> it does. we'll see media attack michael brown after he's died. and as daniel was saying, it kind of sort of justifies the killing in many people's mind and it also plays into this idea that the police are circling the wagon. they're protecting their own. that's the first responsibility, as opposed to serving the community. >> lisa, i want to bring you in on the legal question.

it's been back and forth, and the chief in ferguson -- i'm not sure of his answer. but whether or not the officer, officer darren wilson, knew that mike brown was a robbery suspect when he first had contact with him. why legally is that an important question? >> well, you're right. it's a little bit difficult to decipher chief jackson is saying, but putting together what he said throughout the day, he seems to be saying initially when officer wilson stopped him, he did not know that mike brown was allegedly involved in the shoplifting incident. but then he saw the cig arill lows in his hand and he put it together. then the incident is somewhat relevant at the trial if that's the case. the problem is we don't have a clear story from the police. about what happened. and officer wilson has a lot of time to look over all of the evidence and to come up with a

story that's consistent with the evidence. that's a big part of the problem. and sitting here today a week after this tragic shooting, we don't even know how many bullets were fired in the front or in the back. that's -- you know, a big disclosure that needs to be made. >> mark, you deal in the -- you're a police officer, former nypd. you deal in communities all the time. governor nixon had to -- he had to send in a brother to handle his community. >> well, yeah, in a lot of ways. it might seem like optics for the governor, but this was important for a black man, this brother who was from that community to take over. >> because that brother relates to the community and the community related to him. let me start off by saying something i've heard too often said on these programs and this is about the incompetence of the ferguson police department as well as some of the statements by the prosecutor's office here. we are dealing with a ball, a mass of incompetence and i think it's about time that we start to

address it that way because what they are doing, the positions that they are taking, the assertions they're making the evidence quote/unquote evidence they're releasing, they are definitely without a doubt affecting the integrity of any valid investigation and that's why a lot of people have been called to step in to this situation. but there is a need, a strong need for people to have a presence before them in the black community especially. someone who they can relate to and someone who they believe empathizes with them. >> what are we supposed to do there then? we know there's not overwhelmingly african-american police officers in the police departments, and so what are we supposed to tell the young men about the interaction? why wouldn't it be in their mind that every time they interact with a cop, their life might be on the line every single time with an interaction with the

police officer who's supposed to protect them? >> you know, t.j., i'm conflicted on this issue. i think we are -- we're challenging young people not to have the youth. we're essentially asking them to be older than they are when the onus and the responsibility should be on the adult. at the same time, yes, we're hearing from parents that we need better ways to protect and empower our young people from these types of incidents. it's a double-edged sword. i don't want to tell people to change who they are as young people, but at the same time, we don't want the instances to continue happening. >> you wanted to jump in. go ahead. >> i wanted to say something really quick. you know, i want us not to look at black police officers necessarily as the panacea or the answer. because in reality, black police officers we have seen it time and time again have become subsumed by the police culture. you don't get that different result of an entity that

controls their mind set or action. a significant answer is not necessarily additional black police officers in the particular areas. >> i'm going to take a quick break. we'll talk about the officer's state of mind and i'm curious to know whether or not it's important in establishing maybe michael brown's state of mind if in fact he was involved in a robbery and then he came into contact with the police officer. so i'm not done with my panel here. we'll pick it up with lisa blume out there in l.a. and update you, we're standing by to hear from governor nixon and also captain johnson in ferguson. that time for that press conference has been moved back a little bit, so it will be closer we believe to 4:00 eastern time. we're keeping an eye on that for you as well. stay with us. while a body in motion tends to stay in motion. staying active can actually ease arthritis symptoms. but if you have arthritis, staying active can be difficult. prescription celebrex can help relieve arthritis pain so your body can stay in motion. because just one 200mg celebrex a day

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movement. and lisa blume, author of "suspicion nation." we were talking about whether or not officer wilson if he knew that michael brown was a robbery suspect, that's going to be a key issue that goes to state of mind. will it become an issue as well of michael brown's state of mind if he had in fact robbed a store, if he had just, you know, was threatening to a store clerk and then he saw a police officer come say something to him, would he automatically have thought that officer was there for him and he might have had a more aggressive stance? >> you know, we're putting a lot of speculation together. but luckily we have the video of allegedly mike brown in the store and we can see what happened. he didn't pull a weapon. he did sort of use his body in a somewhat menacing way with a much younger man. but he didn't assault up anyone, he didn't hit or strike. he essentially shoplifted. i think what's important is what the witnesses saw mike brown do at the time of the shooting.

three people say he was running from the car, and he put his hands up. that does not sound to me like someone who would reach into a police vehicle and try to take a police officer's gun. i mean, we hear that allegation over and over. we heard it in the trayvon martin case. we hear it in the ezell ford case here in los angeles. apparently there's a rash of young black men in america reaching for police officer's guns or security officer's gun. i think it's preposterous, far-fetched and inconsistent with mike brown's behavior. >> one other thing, you mentioned the trayvon martin case. we know the outcome of that case. there's another case as well in bobby moore and little rock, arkansas, that didn't get a lot of attention. in that case as well, he was out robbing folks. the officer said that he tried to run over him with the car and you know what? that officer is walking free today after juries couldn't come to the conclusion because they saw that young black man as a

criminal. will this be a big part of this case? lisa, you cover these things, so could we be going down the path again? >> t.j., i'm very pessimistic and outraged at this case because i think i'm seeing another unjustice unfolding before us. look at how the police are handling this case. releasing that video of mike brown, but not releasing the crucial information about how he was shot. overmilitarizing, treating this community as if they're war criminals bringing out military weapons against peaceful protesters. that tells you their attitude towards this community. you know, my book "suspicion nation" is not only about the trayvon martin case, but by over and over again we see unarmed black men shot and unaccountability. we can spend the rest of the program listing the names. i'm skeptical about what's going on in ferguson. look at the local prosecutor for example. he's the only person in america who seems to think the ferguson

police handled themselves appropriately this week. that's the man who's deciding what charges should be brought against the shooter. >> rich, let me bring you back in here. i have three minutes left in this segment. this is important to do. what the young black men should do in those moments. we talked about it a second ago. they shouldn't be further emasculated or further demoralized but in that moment with the cop, is that really the moment to be thinking about your rights or your manhood or your pride or your anything other than just surviving the moment? >> you know, t.j., i believe young black men should survive the moment. they should stand down. but i want to add it's easy for us to say that in the comfort of the studio, right? we don't live these men's life. although we are often suspects, it's not in the same way as these guys are. but i want to also add the point though is even if he were guilty of shoplifting these cigars, how

many kids in greenwich are shoplifting? are they going to be shot down? we see white collar crime, money stolen at ten million times a level the box of cigars are. this is what we talk about when we talk about criminalizing the young kids. we have to separate apples from oranges. the last thing, there has to be accountability that if the facts show this wrongdoing on the police part, it would be helpful for young black men to see a perp walk on the police's part. that there's some justice served. that would go a long way to empowering people. >> you trained -- you talked about this during the break. you work on this in training an helping young men and cops as well in your history. and what to do in those police interactions. what to do and the key is you teach them that very thing. >> survive. that's job number one. whatever you have to do to survive that brief, hopefully brief interaction, you have to do it. because if not we have situations like this and the

police and the prosecutor's office are famous for making retroactive justifications for what they do. we did that because you did this. five minutes ago. or 20 days ago or two years ago. so we just have to encourage our young people to survive the interactions so that you live another day to make whatever necessary complaints. >> a damn shame we're talking about that, that the onus is on the young man to make sure that the authority, the professional who is trained. >> exactly what i was going to say. we can train young people to do this, that or whatever to survive the night, but i don't think that's going to change a fact that a black man is shot by a police officer or a vigilante every 28 hours according to the vigilante justice. this is the criminalization of young black people that starts as lisa has pointed out in her book, "suspicion nation" and

michelle alexander has pointed out in her book, this starts with the mass incarceration of the black youth across the country in the united states. >> thank you so much. we're having these conversations. you know what, we'll be sitting around this table probably before the end of the year, talking about another young black man which is a shame. >> no doubt. >> thank you all for being here in the studio. lisa blume, you know i appreciate your insights. thank you so much. and we'll be talking to you again. thank you so much. we're getting close to the top of the hour here. another big story to keep an eye on. this has to do with president obama. one of his campaign promises is being fulfilled. talking about universal pre-k, it's getting underway in new york in a couple of weeks is this ready to go? [cat meows]

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conference from ferguson, missouri, later this afternoon. governor nixon and captain ron johnson preparing to give an update on the latest situation there. this followed up after surveillance video purportedly to show michael brown involved in a robbery right before he was shot. thomas jackson said friday afternoon had nothing to do with the initial contact between michael brown and officer wilson. we have a close eye on what's happening in ferguson. and another big developing story right now, new york city, that could affect tens of thousands of families. new york city will do something pretty huge here -- make prekindergarten free and available to everybody. it's a $300 million investment, and mayor bill de blasio elected on a promise to launch the project. wants it to be seen as a model

for the rest of the country. still got some ts to cross and with me is a woman who is part of it. are you ready to go? >> absolutely. it's a possibility of having the students start a whole year earlier and we're excited about making sure that parents are engaged and working with the teachers and principals in the schools. >> other cities have done this, but it's taken them a whole lot longer with a lot fewer students. so you're talking about 50,000 this year. 70 plus thousand kids in next year and the program is fully implemented. are you worried about quality issues having to do it so fast? >> not at all. i think the most important thing that we are committed to is making sure that we get the word out to parents. to make sure that they all know this is available and we have done a particularly good job of that. i mean, people stopped me in the street to tell me they registered their kids. but i think the important piece also is to make sure that we

have qualified teachers and high quality of teachers in the classrooms. >> do you have the teachers? >> we have -- >> do you have -- >> they've been training last week and this week, i'm actually going to be speaking to a new group coming up. and also this is not totally new to us. new york city has had full day pre-k and half days pre-ks so we have models in place. we have teachers who are experienced working as mentors. we're hiring instructional coaches to work with teachers not only over the summer but throughout the year. i think the energy that we've generated around this topic between cbos and parents and everybody knows about pre-k for all, so we really feel that this is an investment in the future. early childhood is an investment, not an expense. >> these teachers as well, they're meeting the same standards and they have the same credentials as any other teachers in the school district? >> absolutely. teachers need to be graduates of

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first coming back to the workforce because they love working with early childhood. i think it's an investment in making sure that kids have an extra year of school so that my goal of having all second graders read on level by the end of second grade now has -- they have an extra year head start. i think that will help us investing in our future. >> last thing here, the success, do you need a certain number of people? you're still trying to make sure you get the word out and people are signing up. >> right. >> is it successful -- do you need a certain number of kids to be signed up for it to work? >> absolutely. we expect to reach our goal but even if we only had one child signed up, that child will be a better citizen of the future, we've got it made. >> all right, carmen farina, i know you're a teacher as well, i know first day of school is always exciting. my mom is a retired schoolteacher too, so i get it. thanks so much for coming in. coming up, an update expected on the michael brown

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counts. of course, the governor is a potential 2016 republican presidential candidate and has been charged with abuse and coercion of a public servant. also around a claim that he broke the law when he promised to veto $7.5 million for the public integrity unit run by the travis county district attorney. this is a live picture there, expecting the governor at any moment. if he steps out, we will tune in to see what he has to say, but he's already said he has a constitutional right to do what he had to do and does not believe he committed any crime. we'll keep a close eye on that. also following the latest developments out of ferguson, missouri, governor nixon and captain johnson will be giving the latest on that. expecting that in the next hour as well. ferguson cleaning up from another night of protest and unrest, exactly one week after michael brown was shot dead by police officer darren wilson.

exactly what led to that deadly encounter remains unanswered. police have released little information about the incident that killed brown, citing it's an on going investigation. what they did release instead was a surveillance video you're seeing now. allegedly showing michael brown shoving a clerk and stealing a box of minicigars minutes before the shooting. an attorney for the family, benjamin crump told alex witt that the video is irrelevant to brown's death. >> there is nothing that is in the facts before us that can justify the execution style murder of this unarmed teenager in broad daylight. >> i want to turn now to msnbc reporter amanda secoma. was last night considered a set back after what seemed like one night of calm? >> reporter: a number of protesters said it was in fact a step back for the movement. saying that it was shifting the

focus about from what they were trying to do, which was seek justice, find out answers in michael brown's case and also to answer all of the larger questions about the police presence that has been here and what this case really means in the broader picture for many african-americans around the country. >> all right. stand by with me for one second. we do have the governor of texas who stepped out and he's just been indicted. he's just stepped out to take some questions or make a statement. let's listen live. >> to veto items at his or her discretion. just as i have, following every legislative session during my service as governor, i exercised this authority to veto funding for an office whose leadership had lost the public's confidence by acting inappropriately and unethically.

i wholeheartedly and unequivocally stand behind my veto. and i'll continue to defend this lawful action of my executive authority as governor. we don't settle political differences with indictments in this country. it is outrageous that some would use partisan political theatrics to rip away at the very fabric of our state's constitution. this indictment amounts to nothing more than abuse of power. and i cannot and i will not allow that to happen. i intend to fight against those who would erode our state's constitution and laws purely for political purposes and i intend to win. i'll explore every legal avenue to expedite this matter and bring it to a swift conclusion. i'm confident that we will

ultimately prevail. that this farce of a prosecution will be revealed for what it is. and those responsible will be held accountable. thank you. i'll be happy to answer a question or two. >> governor, you talked about the d.a. office. do you believe -- the confidence in the office of the governor? >> here's what i think is really important for the people to understand. not just in texas, but this country. and that is we have seen an office in the form of the travis county district attorney's office the lead legal individual for criminal affairs in this county and overseeing public officials who conducted themselves in an incredibly inappropriate way. stopped for a dwi, with a blood

alcohol level almost three times the legal limit. an individual who when booked in had to be restrained, was abusive to law enforcement. was kicking in the door. i think americans and texans who have seen this agree with me. that that is not an individual who is heading up an office that we can -- that we can afford to fund. now, the people of travis county may decide that that is the type of individual that they want in that office. but as the governor of the state of texas, and as the individual who has the authority constitutionally to decide whether to spend state dollars on that, i made that decision and i said no. and given that information and given that choice again, that is exactly what i would do.

>> -- afterwards, after the veto that you -- you made some -- you could restore the money if she would resign. did that happen and is that appropriate? >> listen, the details of my decision making were very clear. i said early on that i was going to clearly veto those dollars as long as they had someone in that office who i loss confidence in. i did exactly what i said i would do. >> governor -- >> you had your hand up. >> the question seems to be at this point, it's not whether or not you had the constitutional authority. but it's that you made a threat. >> i disagree with you.

i think there are both people on each side of the aisles, democrats and republicans, who have looked at this and see it is for it what is. it's a political decision being made in travis county. i'm going to continue to do my job. i'm going to continue to deal with the big important issues that are important to the people of the state of texas and for that matter this country. we have a border that has -- it's not secure. because of what the federal government has failed to do. yesterday, i talked to the mother of the border patrol agent who was gunned down in cold blood in front of his family, by an individual who has come across this border multiple times. a criminal alien. that mother expects me to do the job and keep the citizens of this state safe and that is what i'm going to do from today until i leave office in january of 2015. thank you.

>> well, you are hearing from governor rick perry, doubling down after being indicted on two felony counts for abusing power. the grand jury has indicted him there in travis county in texas. he has come out and said this is outrageous. he says this is amounting to an abuse of power by that office. the governor if you remember did threaten to veto $7.5 million that would have gone to that office there in travis county. he was -- he vetoed it a because he said that the district attorney there had been arrested for a dui charge and he didn't trust that person, he says, with that money. that district attorney's name is rosemary lehmberg and he went after her pretty hard saying he did not trust that district attorney with that money. and so he feels that whatever what he did was constitutional, said he wholeheartedly stands behind his veto and says we do not settle political differences

with an indictment in this country. so he said he'd stand up and fight this, so again, this potential presidential candidate in 2016 coming out and fighting the indictment. i want to turn to the other story we were keeping an eye on for this afternoon. really all week for the past week. what's happening in ferguson, missouri. where the shooting death a week ago today of michael brown, 18-year-old who had an interaction with officer darren wilson who has been identified. still a lot of questions surrounding what exactly happened to prompt the initial interaction, but certainly what made that situation escalate to the point that the officer fired several times killing michael brown. we have seen protests in the street of ferguson over the last week, we have seen some violence and some looting. things calmed down one day and then last night more looting and a little more unrest. but not what we have seen in the past few days. i want to bring in the assistant democratic leader in the house,

jim clyburn. congressman clyburn, good to see you. some of the images we saw this week coming out of ferguson, missouri, a lot of people liken that back to the civil rights era and also juxtapose the pictures from the '60s versus some of the pictures out of ferguson. do you think that's an apt comparison? not just the pictures but literally what's happening on the ground there in ferguson? >> oh, absolutely. thank you so much for having me. what we saw previous to last night happened to be a large -- to be law enforcement acting like military folks, doing and saying things that were just unbecoming of law enforcement. when you hear an officer on television bring it on you animals, that's not the way public servants are supposed to respond to citizens. i don't care what you may think about them. and we saw this time and time

again. you don't point loaded weapons at citizens. i can see you responding to the kind of efforts than taking place there, but you have to respond in kind. this kind of overreaction is a kind of thing we saw at the bridge back on bloody sunday. that's exactly what it reminded me of. it was just absolutely uncalled for, and i hope that we would take a look at the federal law that allows the federal government to be given these kinds of toys if you please to local law enforcement people. that's not what we ought to be doing and we're going to take a look at that as soon as we get back to washington. >> congressman, back to your comparison there, the overreaction on the pettis bridge. do you think the motivations are similar even or is the training?

i mean, i have some police officers suggest this is a small police department, they're just not trained -- they probably never had a situation like this before and they overreacted. do you think some of the motivations, frankly, are the same today in looking and seeing what they perceive as a threat, young, black men, do you think those motivations today are even similar to what we saw back in the '60s? >> well, back in the '60s, it was a threat to a way of life. they were -- there were law enforcement people carrying out what they thought were the wishes of the governance of that era. you saw a governor standing in the jailhouse doors, vowing to resist a federal law and federal law enforcement people. they were trying to preserve a way of life. now, i have no idea exactly what

was motivating these people, but i know this. if you've got a community like ferguson, 65% african-american, like selma was a majority black town with no representation of black people back in the day, then there are a lot of similarities to this. but let me say this about last night. i want all of you to really focus on the fact that when things look like they were getting out of hand last night, there were local citizens who went to that store, who stood in front of that store and said to those people, we are citizens here and we're not going to stand by and let you ruin the reputation of our community. so it was not law enforcement that started looting, but local citizens stopping the looting that's what law enforcement will get from the local citizens if they treat them as citizens and not as some subject over which they must maintain control.

>> last thing, in the last 30 seconds you alluded to the federal government may be stepping in. what would you like to see happen? you called them kind of toys if you will, but some of these weapons that are on our streets, the military grade weapons. what do you want to see congress and the federal government possibly step in and do? >> my understanding and i talked with congressman thompson last night. he's a ranking member on the homeland security committee. and i asked him what the process was of handing out this kind of equipment. he said they get it for free. and they just make the request, it's treated as surplus property and it gets it off the federal government's books and into the hands of people who do not have the training, nor do they have the disposition to have those kinds of weapons. that we must take a look at and i would much rather see us stockpile these things than to put them in the hands of

untrained people, not just untrained but from the language they were using some uncouth people as well. >> all right. congressman of -- south carolina congressman mr. clyburn, thanks so much. i'm sure we'll talk to you again. all right, 16 minutes past the hour now. we have been keeping an eye on what's happening in ferguson. we got this new video. something taking place a short time ago. peaceful march in the very neighborhood where a week ago today, 18-year-old mike brown was shot and killed by officer darren wilson. you hear that familiar chant. hands up, don't shoot. you see it's a little rainy there but also we understand that chief jackson -- the ferguson police chief may address the folks there. we'll take a quick break.

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keeping an eye on a developing story overseas. u.s. fighter jets and drones struck new targets in northern iraq. iraqi and kurdish forces are trying to retake control of the mosul dam. isis militants have had control of it since earlier this this month. and the peshmerga are launching a ground attack on the militants and this after reports that the isis killed men of the yazidi order after abducting their women and children. ian williams has the latest. >> reporter: hi, there, t.j. trying to retake the mosul dam, an incredibly important strategic facility that gives electricity and water to a large swath of this country. they're being supported by u.s. air power on a scale we haven't seen yet. it involves f/a-18 jets as well as armed drones.

now, there's no further information as to how well they're doing but one big fear of the u.s. officials is that the i.s. might try to destroy the dam when assaulted. the u.s. officials tell nbc they are satisfied that at this point, i.s. has not been able to rig the dam, has not laid explosives down there. and is not in a position to destroy it. that's why there's greater urgency. they have held that dam since the 7th of august. now an effort is on to remove them, to reclaim that dam before they can cause any greater destruction. also today, reports of another massacre. this time 80 men in a village near sinjar. it was surrounded. they were told to convert to islam and they refused and they killed the men, took away the women and the children. although there's relief for some refugees in this part of iraq,

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i intend to fight against those who would erode our state's constitution and laws purely for political purposes and i intend to win. >> again, governor rick perry of texas responding to that indictment by a grand jury. that was just moments ago. if convicted he could spend between 7 and 109 years in prison. we'll be getting into that this with our brain trust in a few moments. but first, wearable cameras. you have been hearing about this. is this a good option instead of riot gear? would that have been a better option for the police in ferguson, missouri? the community has erupted since the police shot and killed an unarmed teenager. also, we are still standing by for a press conference from ferguson, missouri. expected to hear from the governor there. also captain ron johnson. who has headed up the security in the city in the past few days. uh-huh (announcer) there's good more... honey, look at all these smart rewards points verizon just gave me. ooh, you got a buddy.

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hands up, don't shoot. hands up, don't shoot. no justice, no peace! >> that was a scene in ferguson, missouri, this was just a bit ago. peaceful march of hundreds of people protesting the police shooting of michael brown. which was exactly one week ago today. the people of ferguson continue to call for greater transparency from police. we will hear from governor jay nixon and the point man for security in ferguson now, a highway patrol captain, ron johnson. expected to give us an update at the top of the hour. when they step out, we'll bring that to you live. now, we know that the ferguson police department budgeted $5,000 for the cameras for their police officers. it's raising a debate. if cops should be armed with wearable video cameras instead of tanks and machine guns. philadelphia's police chief wants his more than 6,000 officers equipped with them. he's been making that call even before last week's shooting in missouri and the choke hold

death in new york. in new york, the city's public advocate released a report calling the nypd -- calling for them to have those body cameras. she says simply rewriting the rules is not enough. well, the city of rialto in southern california was one of the first to mandate their police force to wear cameras and in the first year, use of force by officers fell nearly 60%. the number of complaints against police dropped 88%. let me bring in the new york city advocate letitia james. people have been talking about this. rialto shows dramatically this works. >> it does work because it provides an objective record of police encounters on the street. it provides transparency and it would improve police community relations and would reduce and save taxpayers money in the city of new york. >> i was do going to bring that up later, but this would protect the police quite frankly. if someone said you abused then

or excessive force, let's roll the videotape. >> exactly. it would exonerate police officer against false claims. >> how much does the city spend each year settling claims? >> are you ready? $152 million. >> every year? >> settling claims. and again as you know, most of the claims are a result of negotiation and it's a settlement. most of them don't go to trial. but the reality is that a pilot program in the city of new york, 15% of police officers who patrol our streets it would only cost taxpayers $5 million. clearly, we can do -- we can dedicate those $150 million to our schools, to our playgrounds, our streets. clearly to other resources in the city of new york. >> why pilot? why not go for it? >> the administration as of today has yet to embrace the idea. they're open to it, they're looking at it. a number of concerns. i would like to again outfit all

police officers at a cost of $32 million, again some savings to the taxpayers. since pba and the administration has some concerns we're prepared -- >> what concerns? >> the concerns obviously are the ability to manipulate the camera. as you know in new orleans, there was a recent incident where a police officer turned off his camera and then there was an incident thereafter. there are a number of concerns with respect to privacy and a number of concerns with respect to the weight of the camera itself. all of these issues and more i believe we can work out. that's why we should move forward. >> are you on board with any of those to -- because i hear them. the weight of the camera. i almost rolled my eyes when you said it. you also talked about an officer switching one off. we can handle that situation. they use dashboard cameras all the time. they're not supposed to turn them off. do you stand by some of those issues and say, okay, i can see that maybe or do you go, give me a break, let's do this? >> well, i respectfully listen to their concerns and obviously we dismiss them. and obviously moving forward, google glass is already

experimenting with body cameras and there's technology which reduces the weight of the camera as well. >> we have some -- you're -- that was a court ruling that mandated some cops were supposed to be wearing these already. where are they? >> yes, judge shy lin said they should be outfitted with the cameras but that -- it's not wide enough. what we are arguing is that the precincts where there's a significant number of complaints against police officers and where there's a high rate of complaints that's where we should begin. >> the weight, how big are these things? >> relatively small. the technology has changed. >> how big are we talking about here? >> it's the size of a card. you know, it's not that major. it's not going to weigh the police officers down if that's their concern. >> what is the concern you are hearing from the police officers and the police officers' unions and organizations? what is their concern? it sounds like -- i think i have a quote here from bratton saying

that so much of what goes on in the field he says-she said. and the camera offers an objective perspective. some may see it as something harmful, but officers tend to benefit. very often the officer's version of events is the accurate version. are you having a hard time convincing the officer of that? >> so i have a meeting with the head of the pba, mr. lynch. we are going to address a number of his concerns. his major concern is the weight and the size of the camera. obviously the technology has changed over the years and we're going to show him a variety of cameras, different technology, different manufacturers all throughout the country. and address a number of his concerns. >> how close are we for this? >> i believe we're close to an agreement on outfitting police officers with cameras in new york city. >> how soon? >> i believe in the beginning of the new year we'll have cameras on patrol officers in the city of new york. >> letitia james, public advocacy for new york, we'll be

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and those responsibility -- responsible will be held accountable. >> with me now to discuss governor perry and more, raoul reyes, attorney, and zachary roth for msnbc, also msnbc contributor dorian warren of colombia university. welcome all. you know, does he have a point? he came out really strong there. said this is outrageous. we don't do this in our country. use an indictment for politic political -- for political revenge. i mean, does he have a point though given the county and the district and the district attorney, where this indictment is coming? >> he may have a point. i'm not an expert in texas law and the specifics of what they have charged with. so we'll let the process play out and i guess we'll know the answer to that. but i think it's worth focusing for a minute on the underlying issue that this arising out of. it's alleged that he vetoed funding for a public integrity agency that was looking into an agency that he had created, that

was supposed to research cancer and in fact had become a kind of cesspool of corruption. so that's kind of the underlying issue and whether that's a felony charge or he's guilty of a crime it certainly is not something that you would think is good for his resume. >> and then again, to be clear here, he vetoed some money that would have gone to a county -- a district attorney who had been arrested for drunk driving. he said he doesn't want that person in charge of that money is the point he's trying to make. and then the indictment comes from a county that's heavily democratic and that's why i asked, is he going to be able to make a point and certainly among some republican voters that you know what, this is political, and they came after me? >> yes. but to clarify, he issued a public threat. >> that's the problem? >> yeah and raoul, you're the lawyer, you can speak more on that. but i think there's a problem for him and i think he's kind of put himself on in the box. on the one hand, if he runs for

president, you better believe if not one of his opponents, some super pac is going to come after him with indictment, indictment. someone is going to come after him. secondly, this is a problem for the republican party and their strategy to impeach the president. if he's making an argument that this legal challenge should not be used for political reasons, then i expect him to come out against the republican party in congress wanting to -- and the house in particular, wanting to impeach the president. >> you like that point, didn't you? >> one thing we have to remember about an indictment, what an indictment is it means that the prosecutor went to the grand jury and presented this evidence and they have decided that there's a case. it doesn't mean guilt or mean anything. there's a case. i think it's important that people hear the word indictment and assume he's guilty. we have to afford him the presumption of innocence. that said, it is smart for him to try and get out in front of this issue and address it. i was surprised he took

questions at the conference. but again, he didn't get to the issue which is at the heart of this potential -- you know, the case, which is not that he exercised his power. it's that he was threatening and bullying this woman before he actually did so. that's the crime. i think going ahead in the presidential -- you know, the primary, remember, he's coming at it in a disadvantage. most of the country outside of texas they though him as governor oops. so this is one more thing that's going to be used against him and an indictment does mean a mug shot. so we'll see that on the front pages of every newspaper in the country. >> okay. now, again, you're the legal expert here. by that i mean lawyer. but you -- you cover politics and you can say all day long that indictment does not mean he's guilty. but if a man is running for president and he is under indictment, that's all people are going to hear and that's all an opponent has to say. >> well, that's certainly true if he succeeds in the republican primary and becomes the nominee. a long way out.

whether that's true in the republican primary and how much this hurts him is unclear. i'm not sure it's not easy to turn it around, and democrats went after me, i'm a victim of the partisan witch-hunt. i don't know how many the primaries care about these kind of issue. >> but if i'm putting on my political scientist hat for a moment, this is what worries me. i'm not a governor perry defender. executives in particular, whether it's the president or governors make veto threats all the time. that is the point of the veto. right? you make the public threat. you don't just do it. that's the part of the leverage you have as an executive. so if we're going to start going after people for publicly saying i'm going to veto something and it's a criminal act, that has serious implications for our democracy. >> isn't that different though? a president or a governor can say, i am going -- if they pass that legislation, i'm going to veto it. he didn't do that. he said if that person doesn't resign, if that -- is that the

distinction and why we have a grand jury -- >> yes, because it was aimed at her. the allegation is one of coercion. so i think that's -- it's that degree that makes it a potentially criminal act. also, in the political arena going forward, i think something else that it will inevitably arise to be a potential issue for him is look at chris christie. he's faced multiple investigations. he's plowing ahead but it's coming out today i believe these investigations, his defense of these investigations now and allegations have cost new jersey taxpayers at least $6.5 million on top of the $1 million he spent with his own -- that was considered a whitewash. as governor perry defends himself, is that an issue as a conservative who wants to cut say teacher's salaries and cut back on the salaries for the fire and the police and he's spending taxpayer money to defend himself? >> we know what's happening in ferguson, missouri. iraq, a lot is happening there as well. airstrikes. things happening. you have pictures of yazidi's, people are fleeing parts of

iraq. the threat to be killed if just because of the religious group they're part of and the president is on the beach today. the president is golfing today. this is just a part of the job. we know this, but how -- has it gotten worse in this case for the president that we have such flash points right now? every president who has ever vacationed gets criticism because something is going on in the world or there's an image of him with a golf club. but is it something different this time around because of the racial tensions we're seeing in ferguson, and because literally we are involved militarily? is there anything different about this one? >> you know, this is a hard one, because as you pointed out, all presidents for as long as we can remember are always criticized for going on vacation. there's never -- if you're president of the united states never a good time to go on vacation. never. now, the president did make a statement and we might debate what we thought of the statement. but he did intervene and make a statement and we now know in

terms of his schedule that he's going back to washington i believe tomorrow night. but, you know, i would prefer to have a president who is well rested and is -- and is the sharpest mind to tackle these global and local challenges than someone that is not taking vacation at all. i don't think there's ever a good time to take a vacation. >> what are we hearing about the criticism of another presidential vacation? >> i hear that in martha's vineyard they have phones and the internet. so -- >> it's not like it's a true vacation. because he's still working. >> pretty much a working vacation. he's going back to d.c. for a couple of days. the thing about spending taxpayer money it's a made-up charge. >> and t.j., remember this president, he has not taken one-third of the vacation time that george w. bush took. it's something that comes with the job. and i think, you know, as you say there's never a good time to do it. but, you know, he's not superman. he does need to recharge and the partisan element is there.

because many of these same people who are criticizing him as being disengaged and removed, if he were in washington and taking action, they'd be hounding him for that. >> you all stand by. we talked about ferguson there a little bit and how it relates to the president's vacation. but at the top of the hour here in about 12 minutes, surely confirmed for me, we're staying live here with the press conference that's going to take place with the governor nixon, governor of missouri. also captain ron johnson who has taken over security there in ferguson that live press conference, they'll update us today, this would be the only update we are getting from the officials -- from the ferguson officials today. at least the brain trust is going to stick with me and we'll talk about that and react to whatever we get because it seems like every press conference we have something major comes out that ends up giving us more questions than we get answers. stick around. to our viewers, you stick around as well. that update in the michael brown death investigation and the fallout around the city, we're taking you back to ferguson, missouri.

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hands up. >> don't shoot. >> no justice. >> no peace. >> that's peaceful protest you're seeing there. this was just a little while ago. they are protesting the police shooting of michael brown. you hear the familiar chant. hands up. don't shoot. brown was shot by the officer one week ago today. developments keep coming in this week. it's been a week of developments. the missouri governor and highway patrol captain expected to hold a news conference in a few minutes. it's supposed to happen at the top of the hour. we'll bring that to you live. captain johnson had something to say on his way into the news conference. this was just moments ago. >> not really going to talk about last night. we're going to talk about today.

this is a positive event and we're going to talk about that. >> just giving a preview. we did see some sporadic looting. i'm going to bring in todd johnson. he's on the line with us now. todd, the way i characterized that. there was a small number of folks being disruptive but you had a group of folks trying to not wait on the police to stop the looters. they were trying to stop them themselves. >> you're exactly right. it was really an opportunity for people in ferguson and the surrounding area to kind of stand up and say you fwhee, the people that are going into the stores and vandalizing and taking things don't represent the positive movement that a lot of people in this community want to put forth. they want to put out this image of solidarity and positivity. that's what really captain johnson was talking about. that will be his focus today. doesn't want to harp on what happened last night.

fortunately, no one was injured. the people that really have a lot of questions this morning are the business owners who are wondering where the ferguson police department and any law enforcement were last night when they needed them the most. they are probably more upset than anyone that their stores have been compromised and damaged. they've been forced to board up and protect their own interests especially today. hopefully captain johnson will lay out chawhat's going to happ tonight. despite what captain johnson and the governor will address in his press conference as it concerns the safety of the ferguson residents and businesses, it remains to be seen if we'll learn anything new or have any developments related to what everyone wants to know about and that is what led to michael brown losing his life last saturday. >> that's the question question. todd johnson thank you so much on the ground there in ferguson.

you're seeing a live picture here. this is above church where they are going to be having this press conference in just a few minutes from now. you're hearing todd there describe, maybe the update we're going to get, i think you're still with us. we have about a minute left. we're still talking about the key question that hasn't been answered preponderance of the evidence what happened in the interaction that led to that shooting. are we hearing anything else from the actual ferguson police department today? >> it's been pretty quiet, t.j. the chief of police attended a large peaceful protest that happened earlier today at the very site that michael brown last his life. that was something that he accomplished today. he showed his face. he joined with other people that were there gathering at the vigil including reverend jesse jackson and people that live in

the apartments. there was a lot going on at that location including fbi agents and investigators going door to door trying to get more information on what happened last saturday and what happened to cause michael brown to lose his life in the interaction with the officer. it's been relatively quiet but ferguson police chief did show up apt the rally briefly and stood with the demonstrators and show a sign of positivity but he didn't have any new information. >> todd johnson on the ground in ferguson. to our audience stand by. we're minutes away from a press conference scheduled there with the governor and highway patrol captain. we'll sneak a quick break in. stay here with us on msnbc. it's 7am and steve is already thinking about tomorrow. which is why he's investing in his heart health by eating kellogg's raisin bran ® good morning dad. hi, sweetie. here's another eye opener,

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missouri. ferguson is cleaning up after another night of protest and unrest. had a small group of break away looters. they were met last not by police, tear gas, some of the things we saw earlier in the week. they were met by citizens who blocked them from entering some stores and looting any further. the latest anger surrounds the decision by police to release surveillance video. the video shows michael brown shoving a store clerk and stealing a box of cigars from a convenient store minutes before he was shot and killed. you're seeing the video there. the officer darren wilson. brown's family calls it a character assassination. we're expecting more in just moments. we have the live picture. that's inside where the press conference is going to be happeni happening. we have a picture as well from the outside. we saw people gathering a short