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we have met with. these people we will work with. we need to bring jobs to the young folk. they are mad because they get up mad every day because you've given them no future. we need to, since you showed us you got some money, we're going to show you how to spend it. thirdly, we're going to have a drive in this town.
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67% of the city black. three black cops out of 53? no blacks on the school board. michael brown going to change this town. i've asked bishop jones to work with us to do a voter registration/voter turnout. some of y'all that's mad now wasn't mad three weeks ago for election day. y'all got to start voting and showing up. 12% turnout is an insult to your children!
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lastly, on may 2nd, national civil rights leaders will be calling. we need to go to congress after they come back from break. we are going to call a day. we'll announce it may 2nd. we're going to have an "arms " up"alup" al rally in d.c. to demand federal regulation around policing, how we get policing community to work together. we going to the united states capit capitol. we ain't got no great speech. . we just going to throw up our articles. we going to throw up our arms! we going to throw up our articles. we have started here, reverend lee -- where's reverend lee? we started other night with the
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mother and father. i asked for 100 young men and women in this community, let them come up. i want these young people have committed, starting going through training. they're going to be in the streets. come forward, to you that are here. national action disciples of justice. djs. right here in ferguson. come on, come on, come on. they're going to stay in the streets to keep the peace and to bring the justice. give them a big hand! give them a big hand.
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come on, give these young folk a hand. there's 50 to 75 out in the crowd. but i want them to get their hand. these are ferguson folk that's going to stay in the hood, stay in the street and keep peace. you talk about a young generation, these are young folk that's going to protect their neighborhood and talk to their colleagu colleagues. all right. give them a big hand. i just warranted to -- all right. all right. y'all can take your seat.
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i told the family that all over the world, they had no idea how many people are supporting them. but there's one man whose name and image has reached the level that every language, every race knows just by the mention of that name what it means. he was taken from us when many of you weren't born, i was barely 13 years old. but i remember that night. but i've been blessed to work with his oldest child. we been to jail together in st.
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louis. we laid out one morning on i-70 and forced black construction jobs. right here. and that construction program still going on. i was blessed through him to work with his mother, his wife. the other night after i saw and fought back the memories of watching the tears of this mother and the grim tight-lipped determination of the father, i called atlanta and said, martin, we need you to come back to st. louis with us. and he said, i been watching this. i didn't want to go uninvited. i said, no, the parents would be honored if you came. and i want to bring to you, lot of folk talk dr. king. right wing misinterpret dr.
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king. but i want to bring to you his oldest living child, his son, his namesake, that has come to ferguson to stand with us for michael brown. welcome martin luther king iii. >> let me thank god for bringing us all safely here today. and as st. louis-born dick gregory often says, i hope and pray that i returns home will be
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equally as safe. bishop jones, to all the members of this community, ferguson and st. louis county, those who are from st. louis and those of us who are from around the country, i first must say to sister leslie and brother michael, that the world is praying for you. not just us here, but the whole world has prayed and is praying for you. i don't know that anyone, unless one is a parent, can understand what a parent goes through when a child moves to another level
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as it relates to something called finality. i remember my father preaching a sermon one time about death and he talked about his own funeral. i'm not going to talk about that today, but it just popped in my mind because i was 10 years old when my dad was gunned down. i was 12, 11 when my uncle mysteriously drowned. i was 15 when my grandmother was gunned down in the street by praying the lord's prayer. so i, while i don't understand losing a child, i understand losing a loved one. and all of us should understand losing a loved one. the stage has been set.
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and today, and forever, people will be talking about michael brown. that is for sure. but what this community chooses to do -- i mean rev has already talked about jobs and opportunity. this is the time for america to create opportunities in communities all across this county and this country. there is no shortage of resources. there is just a short aage -- before now maybe there was a shortage of a will. you see, when we think about this thing, and we think about victims, victims always used to say, whr ever there is darkness crimes will ekur but the guilty one is not merely he who created
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the crime but those who created the darkness. i hope you understand that what i'm saying is that when we create the climate, when we create training and opportunity, jobs, for people across america, much of what we see will go away. that's only one thing. the second thing is our police departments need human relations, sensitivity and diversity training. when you understand how to interact. because every ethnic group is different and every ethnic group has made a contribution to this nati nation. now finally i want to say just before gi i go to my seat, i wad
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to be here, and will be back, again and again. why? because my dad used to say that our destinies are sort of tied together. i can't be where i ought to be and tell you what you ought to be, you can't be what you ought to be until i am what i ought to be, because our destinies truly are tied together. more and more people will be coming to st. louis. and the leadership here has encouraged not just justice, but justice perhaps won't come unless there is an independent prosecut prosecutor. this is not martin king. this is what the community is saying. and the current prosecutor has demonstrated bias.
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therefore, he should recuse himself, if he is fair and right. but that be only happens when you -- one of the things you do is sign a petition that's online that others will be talking about. because we, and as i say, america is watching, and the world, and people are really embarrassed. because we go all over the world promoting democracy and fairness. at least that's what we say. and yet we're not even creating democracy in our own communities. because our own many -- not all, but some police departments are not conducting themselves in the way that they should. so let me rush to tell you, do
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not get any ways tired. why? because we've come much too far from where we started. you see, no one ever told any of us that our roles would be easy. but i know our god, our god, our god did not bring any of us this far to leave us. justice can, and will, come. but st. louis county, ferguson, you must continue to stand and be heard. god bless you. >> martin luther king iii. we want some folk i want to acknowledge, and then do something special.
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before i do that, attorney crump. >> thank you, reverend al. brothers and sisters, it's going to take conviction to win this fight for michael brown. it's going to take the kind of conviction that this young lady, maya aten white has shown. you ask who she is? not even a week after being shot in the head, while participating in a rally supporting michael brown jr. and his family, she has made a full recovery and is back here today! still supporting michael and his family because she understands that it is not right to execute our children. so let's stand up! let's stand up! let's stand up! for justice.
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>> give her another hand! >> we announced national action network took the responsibility of saying that we would cover whatever the costs for the funeral. and i got a call from kimura lee simmons who comes from this area and says she's going to help do whatever that is. but i want us to help this family. they don't have to worry about the funeral, but they going to have days they going to have to take off work, maybe months. they're going to have to sustain themselves. and i said the other night, and people tuesday night raised a good offering, but i want to
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raise one for them and give it to them. this is not going to a fund. this is not going to organization. this is for the family and their children because we look out for each other. nobody plans a tragedy. not a dime goes to no organization, nobody. but i want you all that want to help me help this family. whatever the results are, whatever we got to go, we as people that have values ought to say, wait a minute, i could be sitting there. and that the pain they are bearing is unbearable. they should at least not have to worry about things like their daily moving around and bills. so i want people -- i want you to get out your best offering. i want -- first of all, all of you that are ministers stand.
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everybody that's a preacher. all right. wait a minute. now while you standing, i want $100 from every preacher. i'm going to see if you got a congregation or not. i want y'all to come on down. now whoever else got $100, come with them. come on. somebody help me with this now. come on, some $100s. come on, come on, come on. reverend jackson. jackson. joe madison act like a preacher today. this is for the family. anybody with $100. come on.
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you can go online. i been raising funds for a long time, crump. i don't get into party politics, i don't get into found dagsz. but helping folk out, that's what we do. come here a minute. come here a minute. you all know kiki palmer? she getting ready to be the first black cinderella on broadway. that's what i told the prosecutor. i heard your story, but the shoe
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don't fit. cinderella had to find the right foot to fit. this stuff y'all telling me in ferguson don't fit. we going to hear from kiki. so glad you came. she called wanted to be with the family today. >> i just want to say, you know, its he's unfortunate that these events have to happen but the love that i feel in the room with all of you, it overjoys me to such a point that i can't even express. and we have to just continue to unify and to stand for what we believe. we have to. we have to stick together because only we can do it. but only if we stick together. so god bless all of y'all and just continue to do what you're doing. i'm so thankful to be a part of all of this. i truly am. >> i got another tv star. judge greg mathis is in the house. judge greg mathis. all right. wait a minute. wait a minute.
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did you all finish giving? all right. now, i only got the $100s now. come on, now. everybody. if you couldn't give $100, if you can give $50, come on. come on. come on. don't worry, i'm coming all the way down to you. come on. $50s. come on. i want y'all to come down. i grew up in church of god in christ. if they walk, they give more money. >> 23 minutes past the hour. t.j. holmes back here in studio. we've been watching the past hour and a half now this unity rally for mike brown that's taking place there. we're coming in here, they're taking up some offerings and doing some other things, introducing a couple of television stars that are in the room there. but again, the point and idea of the rally certainly doesn't want to get lost here. this is for mike brown. they have been calling for
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justice and goldie taylor still with me, raul reyes with me. raul, we're going to keep an eye on this. they're not quite done. we'll stick with this live rally. raul, something you said that was kind of a theme we saw during this. everybody has a positive message of unity and uplifting but also they were kind of following the same drum beat about the investigation, at least. saying the facts of the case -- they're almost making their case here for what they want to happen next in this whole investigation. >> right. i think it is important in this type of community forum where unlike that frenzied, chaotic press conference yesterday where they have the attention and the respect of the community, that they are reminding people of just what they are seeking, how there is so much we don't know about the specific facts of the case and just reminding people what is at the heart of all this, which is that all the questions surrounding the death of michael brown. i think that's important. i also thought it was very
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important in reverend al's speech when he delved into the political component saying hillary clinton, jeb bush, so on, you're going to have to speak about this. which is true. as this goes on as we get into things like a jury selection, independent review, the doj case, this is going to be a question that every national politician is asked, how would you have handled it, what is your opinion, what is your viewpoint, has justice been served. that is something that all politicians should be preparing to speak about. rand paul has already put out a statement dealing with the libertarian -- some of the civil rights issues at hand. >> to our viewers again, on the left side of your screen, this live event still taking place, the reverend al sharpton, yes, a host and he has the national action network. he asked all the ministers to stand up in the crowd of 1,300. probably several did.
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he said all right, i want $100 from all of you. the fact is that the family is going to need help over the next few weeks and months. they will be called on a lot to in a lot of ways be the face of this cause, be out there day in and kay out, fighting for their son and keeping their son's name in the public. it's been a while since i've talk to you here because we've been live with the rally, goldie, what's your impression been? we talked about seeing captain johnson earlier. but the theme and tone and moving forward now? where can this unity rally and what we are showing the nation now, where can this maybe -- can this and turning point in the coverage of this case? >> well, i've talked a lot about this lately but the thing for today for me has been ben ne benevolence and justice. this is something you'll find in black churches around the country. if you are going to stand for family, stand for them indeed.
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that is the right thing to do. next steps going forward, i've heard this from a number of reporters, not only from the county chief executive in st. louis county, charles dooley, but also the bar association that drafts are being readied now ask for a special prosecutor in this case. given the track record of the district attorney, given where he's faltered on some previous cases, given his statements on this case in particular, there is no confidence that he will handle this case appropriately, that he will vigorously present it before a grand jury and that he will take it to trial and prosecute in a vigorous way. they are asking for a federal prosecutor and that the federal government get more deeply involved in the way the department of justice has. they are beginning to do that. an independent autopsy has been ordered by the department of justice now. that's what today is about. we saw a lot of chaos in the streets as people went to mount
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very peaceful protests. but now you are seeing organization come together. you're seeing people who are good stewards, trained in the tradition of civil disobedience, apply that experience and scholarship to practice on the ground. that's going to be meaningful if we're going to turn this into a movement. one more thing reverend al pointed out today, 12% voter turnout in ferguson is about that across st. louis county. that's why you have leaders like this district attorney, leader like the mayor of ferguson who comes in unopposed. so if you can't get out and vote, you wonder what you have to say when justice doesn't rain down. i think the reverend is right not to vote is an insult to our children. it is an insult to the memory and legacy of michael brown. >> this has been an issue a long time. >> i just want to add one thing. indeed the issues of the county prosecutor bob mccullough go deep.
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just two, three weeks ago there was this very racially contentious election in which charles dooley, the county executive, lost the primary. one of the racially inflammatory advertisements, the county prosecutor actually says he believes the county executive is corrupt. this did a great deal to alienate african-americans so before any of this happened, the african-americans were looking at mr. mccullough and thought that with an absence of faith -- people talked about other police brutality cases prior to this. but just two weeks prior to michael brown's death there was another cause for people in the black community of ferguson to say we really don't have much much faith in bob mccullough, certainly not in his objectivity. >> reverend al, if my producer can tell me -- he might be still doing some housekeeping. he was taking up the offering for the family. he made clear the offering goes directly to the family.
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we've seen this with the family of trayvon martin, jordan davis, how those families are called upon. really to be out there, to be out front. that takes them away from jobs, takes them away from home, a lot of travel that has to be done and whatnot. they're taking up and offering and trying to support the family as best they can, all of this money going directly to the family. parents are there but did not address the audience today. they were on stage a couple of times. father michael brown sr. wearing a t-shirt with his son's picture across the front of it. no justice, no peace, everybody knows that chant but the governor is actually telling us it needs to go in reverse. you got to go peace, then you get justice. settle down, we need peace first, then you can get your justice. what are we to make of that? raul, stand by for a second. this is a congressman from the area here. let me listen in for a second to see what he's saying.
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>> -- no action network for coming to the assistance of this community and this family. we certainly appreciate your presence and we look forward are to working with you. let me also extend my heartfelt sympathies to the brown family. as a father of a teenage son, i can only imagine the pain that you are enduring. and no parent should ever have to bury a child. you know, big mike's tragic death has touched us all in a powerful and very personal way. i want you to know that this community, our state an our
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nation mourns with you. your tears are our tears. your pain is our pain. and your loss is being felt around the world. miss mcfadden, when we spoke, i promised you that we would bring together every resource of the federal government to relentlessly pursue justice. for michael and your family. and today i want you to know that i intend to keep that promise. over the last week, i continue to have regular contact with the white house, attorney general holder, and the u.s. department of justice. and i want to give a big shout-out to the president and attorney general holder for stepping up in a big way today.
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they have essentially made this investigation a civil rights violation and they are pursuing this on those grounds. because we know, we know from history and track record that we are going to get justice this time. that's what i know. i am not going to count on the county prosecutor or the state of missouri. we're going to go with the federal government on this one. and as you heard reverend al tell you, it doesn't have to be about murder. it can be about excessive force. that's a civil rights violation. so we will pursue with your
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family, with your legal team all of the avenues in order for this family and this community to receive a little bit of justice. you only deserve that. justice. you know, mike brown was my constituent. he was bright, talented, full of hope. 18 years old and ready to start college. he was also -- >> again, hearing there from congressman william lacy clay, democrat from that area. i want you to hear something which a lot of people will be talking about. seemed like every day captain ron johnson has been in the news because's been updating us.
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he's been on the ground. he wasn't combating protesters, walking with them, hugging them, listening to them even when they were yelling and being upset and loud with him. he's from the area. i believe he's around 50 years old, african-american man. but today he got on stage and once again proved why he is being called a hero and why he is really changed the tone of things in ferguson. listen to him from a little earlier at this same rally. >> these days are over. these days are over. mike brown family's still weeping. no matter what positive comes out of this, we need to thank them for mike's life.
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i love you, i stand tall with you and i'll see you out there. thank you. >> that's a man in a police uniform for the days before he arrived, it was the ones in uniform aagainst the ones on the street protesting. he has clearly set a different tone telling the audience that i am with you. he said i will be there, i will be out there with you. put a fist up in the air even before he walked off that stage. but that is captain johnson, ron johnson, who's been getting so much credit for the tone there in ferguson. we have been showing you what's going on inside, inside at this rally. but there's also been a lot going on outside. we shared at least one picture of we're told a mile-long line of folks. a lot of people are outside trying to get in to a place that 1,300 people can only get inside. people were outside though. this is from tramaine lee. he's finally on the line with he
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me. please, set the tone. >> thank you, first of all, you can only imagine what's happening outside. there are at least a couple thousand people out here for the last 15 or 20 minutes with crowded around a radio station from detroit. everyone's listening to the speakers, occasionally they cheer. reverend al sharpton, kiki palmer, everyone kind of separating. it is so pepped out here. again, as far as i can see, there are people crowding around the greater grace baptist church. >> have you seen anything resembling a police presence out there? >> not much after police presence. up on the highway there are some police officers who are standing kind of watch over the crowd. a few minutes ago there was an ambulance that came. not sure if someone fell ill or what. but ambulance picked someone up. also a fire truck out out.
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not sure if there was an issue with the crowd or what have you. >> trymaine is outside. as many people as the eye can see outside. again, the place holds 1,300. but it's at capacity right now and people are flooded out in the streets. we talked about the curfew yesterday. that curfew is still in place tonight, midnight to 5:00 a.m. last night, few clashes. we should say, some protesters didn't want to go home. there were some arrests. even one person was shot last evening by an unknown gunman. that's part of the story as well but overwhelmingly most people obeyed by that curfew. we still have our panel here with us. i'm told reverend jesse jackson is in the house as well and is going to be introduced. we want to dip in and hear from reverend jackson.
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sounds like reverend sharpton is back talking about the case. he was taking up an offering a second ago, understandably so. want to listen back in to reverend sharpton. >> -- not a movement of hate but a movement of love and nothing we love more than our children and i want all of us to act like that and stand like that. let us all stand together. take the hand of the person next to you i hope you stand next to somebody you don't like. i want you to repeat after me. reverend lee -- >> reverend lee. >> no, don't repeat that. i just talking to the reverend.
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reverend lee, raise your hand. pastor here in ferguson is here for our movement, great young leader, activist, leading the disciples. please, when he calls, respond. reverend lee. repeat after me. i pledge, with all that i am capable of, to do my duty, to stand for justice, and for peace. let michael brown be a point in history where we stop devaluing the lives of people. i pledge to do my best from this moment on to stand for justice, to stand for peace, and to hold
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on until we make a better day. state your name. i affirm this. god bless you. >> about 20 of the top of the hour. it looks like they may be adjourning here. we'll find out in a second. you've been watching for the past really hour and half now this rally, this unity rally which really sets a different tone from what we have been seeing in ferguson, missouri, over the past week. we are a week from yesterday, the day that mike brown, 18-year-old, was shot and killed, gunned down in the street by officer darren wilson. a lot of answers. still have a lot of answers to exactly what happened in that particular incident. what was it that initially
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started the contact. why and why did it absolutely have to escalate to the point that this young man is dead. a lot of questions still and that has been a part of -- large part of the frustration. i'm still here with my panel. trymaine lee is reporting for us youths side the church where this all took place. we still don't have those answers, everybody. goldie, raul, jalani, we don't have those answers but this is the first time at least i've seen. this is the first time i've seen at least on a national level us see ferguson -- maybe not us "see" ferguson but maybe to "show" ferguson for what the larger community is and wants right now. >> that's true. i contrast here is striking. one, have you community leaders, have you people from the community who are out, largely peaceful. but also very resolute about what they want. and then on the other hand, you have seen very little especially
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in the last few days of thomas jackson. you've seen even less of officer belmar, the county police chief. and they still have -- with the exception of giving the information in the video, we don't know how many times this young man was shot. because that simple question is going to go to the heart of what happened here. if we find that he said at the beginning it was more than a couple, and we have estimates that an entire clip was fired, we don't know. but certainly this kind of st e stonewalling has only had a snowball effect. any time they hold up information or put out the video, it increases the tension -- >> every time they speak. i want to play something from a little bit ago from the rally. we didn't hear from the parents today. benjamin crump, attorney for the family, said they want to speak, say thank you but their hearts are heavy today so the cousin of
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michaelle brown spoke to the audience. let's play that for you. >> michael brown was not just some young black boy. he was a human being. he was a younger cousin. he was a son. he was an uncle. a nephew. he was not a suspect. he was not an object. he was not an animal. but that's how he was killed. >> he's not an animal but that's how he was killed. raul, the lawyer here making it clear, the community making it clear today what the community wants. and the community seems to want something that's simple in so many other cases. we want -- >> exactly. >> yes. we want transparency and we want justice. in this case it should be, in a lot of people's minds, an arrest. so why is this case different, the delay, and does it have to
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do -- yes, it's a police, an officer-involved shooting, and these things need to be investigated before. somebody could rule that frankly, it was justified. and he might not even have to have a trial. >> right. but the fact that he was not taken into custody after he shot and killed someone, that -- if you can trace this back, that point -- >> that's not an automatic, is it? if it is and officer-involved shooting. >> not automatically. however, all the circumstances of the time of his death -- >> suggest. >> there's still a lot that we don't know. but the fact that we haven't seen like say a full report. we know his version, the officer's version of what happened. but we haven't seen a full accounting done by the local police and remember we were talking about the department of justice investigation. that's certainly going to be -- i would say the most thorough. but because it is so thorough, the doj investigations typically take a long time. i think one thing that is at the root of people's frustration here is that they want something in a timely manner.
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and this is a community in turmoil. there's so much upset. the answers are not there. i was a little surprised seeing this service when they were not afraid to touch on political matters and the demands for justice that there were not people calling for the chief jackson to step down or to be removed. because several of his actions have certainly contributed to this incendiary nature of the case. >> a former naacp head, to your point, he said he should take leave. >> he did. because every time he speaks, he's doing more to harm his community than protect his community at this point. >> it's absolutely stunning that this has been able to go on as long as it is. you hate to think that this happens so frequently that you can actually have kind of a best practices for these kind of circumstances. but if we learned anything from the trayvon martin situation, every single day that it went
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without george zimmerman being arrested, the case got a little bit bigger. people were monitoring this number of days had gone by. if they had any recognition of this, the stonewalling on his name didn't help. stonewalling on the number of bullets that were fired has not helped. kind of bureaucratic slow process that they've had. if anything they need to have, if not transparently, then certainly the appearance of transparency. >> my producer, tim, say that again. there is new information about a lawsuit that reverend sharpton just announced? we're double checking. before we bring that information, want to make sure we have it correct. goldie, help me with something. i get in some cases cussed out on twitter by a certain number of people. i'm sure you get some of this as well. if we try to in some way treat michaelle brown as an innocent
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victim -- now he's an 18-year-old kid who was gunned down in the street. >> sure. >> and people want -- and people are on us for treating him -- or not talking about the story in some context of him being something that we possibly see in that video, so help me. how do we move forward with this story and how should we be portraying michael brown in this story? are we doing a disservice by not talking about an 18-year-old child -- he's a kid. are we doing some disservice by not in some way putting the surveillance video in the context of who this kid is? >> whether michael brown was 18, 28, or 98, his human rights remained intact when that officer encountered him. whether or not there was a preceding incident that, by the way, the officer did not know
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about is irrelevant at this time. unless and until we get into a court of law. and so the very notion that people are going to try michael brown in the court of public opinion thereby selling any potential grand jury or trial jury pool is unseemly. if we want anything, we should want the facts to come out and let them fall where they may. and twitter can attack me all day and night on this, but this officer deserves a fair trial. because i he know that if he can't get one, i sure as hell can't get one. so we want to make certain that the evidence is untampered with, that ss given the appropriate legal context, and that we have the appropriate charges coming against this officer and that he is allowed to defend himself to the best of his ability in a court of law. and if he's convicted, serve his jail time. if he's exonerated, we need to know that it was done in an open
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and transparent way and that we have all of the facts. i want to say this, too, to our audience tonight. there are a lot of us out here stepping in front of the people of ferguson. we need to stand shoulder to shoulder with them, stand behind them, stand behind them. amplify and add to what they're doing. calling for the resignation of a police chief, we stand with them. if they're calling for a special investigation of a special prosecutor, we stand with them. if they're calling for the federal government to get involved, we stand with them. but at no time thus with no skin in the game and a hometown that i'm from in ferguson, at no time should we be telling the people of ferguson how they ought to exercise the civil liberties, how they ought to be raising their voice. >> thank you, goldy. well said. >> thank you. >> we are here and on the air with you this afternoon and the evening just seeing a rally of really powerful in ferguson, missouri, that really is contrast to me of the images you
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have seen from ferguson, missouri, over a past week. this is outside just a short time ago i believe this is recent video, this is where -- this is taking place of greater great church there in ferguson. the rally was taking place inside and holds 1,300 folks. there's people gathered, peaceful, holding up signs and peacefully. very little police presence we are told out there today but people are being allowed to let the voices be heard and these are the pictures that they want you to see and certainly we want you to see today, as well. this tells a very true picture of what's happening there. this is reverend sharpton a short time ago telling people how to express themselves and moving forward from this moment. >> we understand anger. we are angry. but you're not more angry than the parents.
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and while you show some of the young people out of control, show some of the young people that went out there last night and the night before last and helped clean up and stand -- this is not about the generation of young people who want justice and know how to protest peacefully. >> again, reverend sharpton a short time ago. different tone than we saw here and that is i think as goldy put it well, the theme you are seeing today is one of benevolence and justice that we are seeing. so i'll let you give your parting thoughts about -- keep in mind, folks, here we are 6:00 on the east coast. what are they, seven hours away from the curfew still in place and last night and had some, i don't know, what kind of results they had, but people said it kept folks home. a few hundred still out there. a couple of problems here and there. it's not a problem, somebody was shot last night.
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that's -- in critical condition. don't know the shooter. gelani, give me your parting thoughts today. >> what we should look at going forward is that this is not going anywhere. what i got from the people who were there is that they were very, very determined and very dug in. people thought, you know, the weather has not been friendly toward them. first it was hot. people continued to come out. and then started to rain and people thought it was going to dampen the spirits. neither teargas or heat nor rain nor any kind of inclement condition dampened the will of the people making the point they won't go gently into the good night about this. we should be clear. we're far from seeing the end of this situation. >> tremaine lee on the ground for us, do it in a minute, what should we expect there in ferguson on the streets tonight? >> i think we're at a critical moment. in light of last night's, you know, re-escalation of the circumstances of the police and
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some of those last protesters that dug in. they're going to fight for the rights but as much as this is about that, it is about a war over the images so we have also seen those young men crashing into liquor stores and today thousands of protesters assembled, husbands and wives and grandparents and this is the face of the movement to push for justice for michael brown and not just waiting for a confrontation with police. it is a mass movement. i think it is critical that we keep all the images and this news in true perspective. >> all right. goldy, take a minute for me. your parting thoughts? >> you know, i'll tell you that st. louis county is a collection of small fergusons. there are moline and st. anne and normandy and the expanse of the county, there's another ferguson out there. and so, our job is to make certain that the people of
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ferguson and the people of st. louis county have our support as they press toward the change they need in that you are communities and don't let it end with mike brown. there's another mike brown out here in this country and we're going to be back here talking about it in the coming days and weeks and months. if we don't stand together and make a change now. >> raul? >> as we see the images from the surveillance video and get into some discussion of who michael brown was, i just think it's so important that we cannot lose sight of the quest for justice. you know, whether michael brown was in that video, whether he went to church every week, whether he smoked weed, that is irrelevant to this case. he is a citizen. he had civil rights and deserved due process and not to be shot by a member of law enforcement. no questions asked. a week goes by and we don't know the full facts. we cannot lose sight of that. all -- so much of the other stuff is irrelevant. i hope we don't have another michael brown out there. we don't want to talk about this
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again. >> well, to tremaine lee outside, goldy taylor, thank you so much. jelani cobb, raul reyes and the audience, thank you for sticking with us. i'm glad and personally proud we were able to bring you those images. this is a difficult story, of course, to cover in a lot of ways and images you have been seeing out of ferguson have been ugly ones, quite frankly. ugly ones are a reminder of so many wounds to be healed in this country. here you are seeing the pictures earlier that mother and father still mourning for their son, a 18-year-old gunned down in the street and we don't know how many times he was shot and the answers they don't have and the community doesn't have about a young black man and i can say another young black man unarmed gunned down. the person who shot and killed him right now is not under arrest but this is how our justice system works and we need to let it play out.
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here, we are a week and a day after the death of 18 michael brown jr. rest in peace. not quiet. but maybe we will get there. i'm t.j. holmes for msnbc. thank you so much for being with us on this sunday evening. i ran in here and took a selfie. like it? don't live in milton's world. live in the modern world, where you could save money on car insurance in half the time. esurance. backed by allstate. click or call. wherever morning takes you, take along nature valley soft-baked oatmeal squares. oatmeal. cinnamon. softly-baked. nature valley soft-baked oatmeal squares.
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