ed shultz picks up our coverage at the michael brown shooting next on msnbc. good evening, americans, welcome to the ed show live from new york. let's get to work. >> local ee leked officials called on me to put a curfew in place to guarantee peace. >> a group of protesters defying an overnight curfew. >> i don't believe that's fair. >> the missouri governor orders the national guard to ferguson. >> that's indicative it how we're being dealt with. >> they postponed the first day of school for a second time. >> after talking to eric holder, sending in 40 fbi acts. >> the unarmed teen shot at least six times.

>> why would he be shot in the very top of his head? >> i wear this uniform and i stand up here and say i'm sorry. >> hands up. >> don't shoot! >> hands up! >> don't shoot! . we thought with the unstable and volatile situation in ferguson, missouri. moments ago president obama finished addressing the ongoing crisis in that missouri town. the president said the department of justice has opened their own investigation into the death of michael brown. >> the justice department has opened an independent federal civil rights investigation into the death of michael brown. they are on the ground and along with the fbi they are devoting substantial resources to that investigation. the attorney general himself will be traveling to ferguson on wednesday to meet with the fbi agents and doj personnel conducting the federal criminal

investigation. and he will receive an update from them on the progress. >> he will also be meeting with other leaders in the community whose support is so critical to bring about peace and calm in ferguson. >> president obama went on to call for a peaceful protest in ferguson. >> i understand the passions and anger that arise over the death of michael brown, giving into that anger by looting or carrying guns or even attacking the police, only serves to raise tensions and stir chaos. it undermines rather than advancing justice. let me also be clear our constitutional rights to speak freely to assemble and report in the press must be vigilantly safeguarded in moments like these. there's no excuse for excessive force by police or any action that denies people the right to protest peacefully. >> earlier today, missouri

governor jay nixon lifted the curfew in effect for several days for ferguson. the governor also issued an order to deploy the state national guard to ferguson this afternoon the state highway patrol and national guard briefed the public on their plans for tonight. >> the mission will be limited in scope and they will be tasked with protecting the unified command center we stand up. that will free up law enforcement resources to protect the peaceful pro tester and citizens of ferguson and property. >> we'll ensure that peaceful protests will be allowed in the city of ferguson. we will not allow vandals, criminal elements, to impact the safety and security of this community. >> we have a well trained and well seasoned soldiers that will be assigned to protect the joint command headquarters here.

our soldiers have been well train and have seen -- overseen many missions and state response over the years and well equipped to handle this mission and well resourced. >> president obama told governor nixon the use of the national guard should be limited and appropriate in manner. all of this follows intense clashers between police and protesters after a new independent autopsy of brown's body was released. it was commissioned by the brown family. last night marked the most intense night of clashes between police and protesters so far. businesses were looted and molotov cocktails were thrown at police and tear gas was fired at protesters and seven people were arrested. >> the most intense night of violence and confrontation on streets of ferguson yet. shootings, fire bombs and businesses looted and under attack. multiple simultaneous flash points across this batter and

besieged city. heavily armed s.w.a.t. and tactical units back on the streets with a huge display of fire power. crowds of angry protesters stood their ground. >> why are you still out here? >> this was a murder. it's plain to see. his hands were up when he got shot. i can see -- >> hang on. sorry. hang on. something is happening. >> throughout sunday, attempts to head off the violence, calls for peace and unity at this emotional service for the parents of michael brown. the man in charge of security offered this. >> i'm sorry. i wear this uniform and i should stand up here and say i'm sorry. i love you and stand tall with you and see you out there. >> hours later, combat on the streets. >> protesters say their constitutional right to gather was being violated by the midnight curfew.

the independent autopsy of brown's body has no doubt increased tensions in ferguson. it reveals brown was shot at least six times, including twice in the head. the head shots were the fatal wounds. the professor who performed the independent autopsy said it's too early to know exactly what happened when brown was shot. >> the question asked to us was, could that wound occur from him walking away and then he turns around? it's consistent with that. however, understand too that while the shot could have come from the back, if i'm standing here walking along and get shot from that direction, you see i pull my arm up and it's in that same general area. the arm is a mobile part of your body. it also could have occurred when he was putting his hands up. i put my hands up and you see where the wound is at. it could have happened if he put his arms across in a defensive manner.

we don't know. we still have to look at other aspects of this investigation before we can start piecing things together. >> on the other hand benjamin crump, says this autopsy proves witness accounts of the shooting were true. >> what does this preliminary autopsy tell us? it verifies that the witness accounts were true, that he was shot million tim times and you all have reported on many of the witness accounts when they said his hands was up, that is in there when they talk about the ways it happened, it's in there. >> the federal government is also planning to carry out a third autopsy on brown's body. earlier today president obama was briefed on the evolving situation of ferguson by attorney generic holder and the president has been following the unrest in ferguson closely.

many are calling for charges to be brought against the officer who was involved in this shooting, michael brown. earlier today, brown's mother called for officer darren wilson to be held accountable. >> and what is justice to you? >> being fair. arresting this man and making him accountable for his actions. >> some politicians are calling for action. missouri state senator said officer wilson should be put in jail today. >> we need to have it transparent investigation and we want to make sure there's a grand jury and indictment. the one thing that would make this community certain that there is transparency in this process is if this police officer, darren wilson, was put in jail, right now, today.

there are witnesses that is all you need are witnesses, so he can be arrested and put in jail. then they will know that there is transparency. >> so what do we have at this hour? the president of the united states has spoken to the american people. the president of the united states has been on record of what he thinks of the looting that has taken place. and the president of the united states has injected himself into this through the attorney general who is going to be on the scene in missouri. all good moves. now let me tell you the bad move. what in the world would provoke the governor of a state to throw the state national guard into the mix when it's been one night after another of nothing but distrust and unrest in a community that has seen crime on the streets. it makes no sense. he's asking for another kent state. and the bottom line here is, is that governor nixon has not been down into that community and talked to those people face to face at any time as of late

since this shooting took place. so now the question is how do we defuse this. every time a curfew as i saw it was nothing but a challenge to the protesters and now you put the state national guard there, a show of more force? no, back off the national guard. back off the curfew and start listening to these folks. maybe the crimes won't be committed. these people don't want to see a show of force. they want to see a show of justice. the president made the right moves today and governor has not done too many things correctly since all of this unfolded. for more, let me bring in reverend jesse jackson, president of the rainbow push coalition and joins us tonight from ferguson, missouri. good to have you with us, you have seen a lot of unrest in your career and lifetime. i want your thoughts on the state national guard being called out in a situation that

seems to be very volatile and at this hour we don't know what's going to unfold tonight. reverend, your thoughts? >> it's a series of missteps by the law officers. one was to bring in the tanks and that was overkill. next night they have no one. then the curfew and noup the national guard. the national guard another cover of false protection but does not deal with the underlying cause of the problem. it's a scab, does not address the sore. the fact is michael was shot and killed in his own neighborhood. the killer not even a suspect for seven days, did not reveal his name. then finally they revealed his name and the autopsy of michael is out now. he died violently. and the killer is not even yet a suspect, not to mention tried. >> reverend, with the autopsy being released today, the private autopsy commissioned by

the family and the fact the wheels of justice seem to be moving slow. the prosecutor down there has not even gone and contacted any of the witnesses to my knowledge. what's wrong with this why is it taking so long to move the wheels of justice in your opinion? >> well, justice delayed, justice denied. adds to the suspense and mistrust. you have a community 70% african-american and 56 policemen, only 3 are african-american, versus no firemen here, no blacks on the school board or on the city council. kind of locked out of their own government and feel a great sense of isolation, ed. everything is happened has added to the distrust. we had president weighed in on this today and weighing in and mr. holder coming in puts this in perspective because i really think that this ferguson is a metaphor for urban america.

we've been putting the fire out here before it spreads. >> the issue at this hour, how to handle tonight. the curfew has been lifted. was that the right thing to do? >> i think it was the right thing to do. if there are some people that step out of line and throw a molotov cocktail or tear gas bomb, they should be dealt with individually. but sweeping justice becomes unjust. the problem here, ed, when the law becomes lawless, you have chaos. and with extra strength and people will defy it before they will submit to it. i hope that the national guard did not think that people are not going to march because there will be marches until this police is brought to justice and there's a reassessment of this police department. the police department and the fire department have federal funds and they have equal

employment and contract standards to uphold and must uphold those government standards. >> evreverend, looking at this situation as it stands, have you spoken directly with the protesters or any of them who have been involved in any of the looting or do you know what these people want? do you -- have you visited with them directly? >> talked to mrs. brown the day i met with protesters, i said to them, if you guys would focus your energy and put on 5,000 new voters, they are eligible to serve as jurors and can elect a mayor who believes in fire chiefs and elect judges. this group unlike metger evers, when they were killed, this group in fact has the power to transform their political situation. as a protester, massive sustained voter registration

with an agenda to change this. they have the numbers to do it. >> reverend jesse jackson in ferguson, missouri tonight. with us on the ed show. i appreciate your time. thanks so much. let me bring in emanuel cleefr. your thoughts on the last news of the hour. the president has spoken to the situation and sending attorney general eric holder. although the state national guard has been called in by the governor. what do you make of all of this? >> i think i associate myself with the comments made by reverend jackson, i do think that it is important for general holder to come into ferguson and into the state. ed, the fact we haven't heard from the prosecutor is not as troublesome as it would be if we heard from him. i think that it is important for the nation to know that the people of ferguson have

absolutely no confidence in the police chief, police department, or the prosecutor. and those entities have created this atmosphere. they are the ones who caused the the trust level to drop and eventually completely dissipate. so i think tonight we need to keep in mind that if you allow peaceful protest, you won't have boisterrous protest. so i think we've got to have people who can function between that line. and it's also important to know, only about a half percent, 1%, i've been in the crowd and can tell you most of the people are hard working decent americans who pay taxes and try to live by the rules. but there are people even coming in from outside of ferguson who come in to exploit the situation. when you have all of the militarization that we have seen, it provides the perfect cover, and it also causes people

to be a little less likely or inclined to talk to a person who's about to do something wrong. >> with that, congressman, what do you think is the best way to restore the peace and order in ferguson, starting tonight? >> i think we're going to have to make sure that the national guard as i understand it, the national guard are not coming in with arms. they are coming in to help with the crowd control. i think that's good but we're going to have to get the police, the county police department to start backing up. if the crowd is able to just protest, their generally finished protesting and go home. if you start you know, trying to point machine guns at the crowd, you're going to have a problem. that's what has happened for the last seven days now. it can't go on. reverend jackson is right, or it's going to erupt in another place. >> that's my position on this, why inflame it by bringing in

another show of force to the national? you say that the national guard is going to be involved in crowd control. are they going to be unarmed? probably not. i mean, every time tlfhere was e curfew and now the national guard. every time there's a show of force, the crowd has pushed back. these people, it seems to me, want to be heard and the reason why they are not being heard is because why? because the wheels of justice move slowly. i don't hear anybody asking the crowd please settle down. don't monitor your neighborhood, make sure this doesn't happen. and i guess i'm kind of disappointed in the leadership down there that they think a show of force is the best way to do it. at kent state university on may 4th, back in 1970, they thought a show of force was going to be the right way to turn back anti-war protesters. and in about 13 seconds, four

people were dead. i mean, it can spiral out of control so fast. so do the police need that much more help? we've seen the equipment. now they immediate more personnel to handle what is described to be a very few amount of people that are causing all of this trouble? >> the people want to see fairness and not force. and the reason i think the governor did what he did was because the police department -- i don't think the people around the country understand this, i'll try to say it clearly, the police department of ferguson is inept. and so you cannot leave the law enforcement as relates to the protest to them. they are inept. they have all of these shiny military things in the garage and they want to bring them out and play with them. >> sure. >> they have no reason to have that equipment. but we can't trust the local police. so the governor has to do something and i'm so pleased that 40 new fbi agents are

coming in. let me tell you this quickly, if there is some kind of report coming out on what happened, if it comes from the prosecutor, or the inept police chief, sir, it is scary, it's got to come from the ag or the justice department. >> all right, congressman, good to have you with us tonight. we appreciate your time. coming up, members of the ferguson community come forward to express concern over policing. but first, the preliminary autopsy of michael brown sheds new light on the case. missouri state senator maria chap elle nadal joins us next. and the freedom of the open road? a card that gave you that "i'm 16 and just got my first car" feeling. presenting the buypower card from capital one. redeem earnings toward part or even all of a new chevrolet, buick, gmc or cadillac - with no limits. so every time you use it,

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the preliminary findings by an autopsy commission were released last night. the report shows brown was shot at least six times with four pull let's striking him in the hand and arm and two in the head. all of the bullets were fired into the front of brown's body. one of the bullets entered above the right eyebrow, exited through the jaw and reentered in his collar bone. another struck brown at the top of his head which suggests he might have been bending over at the time. the independent autopsy also reported the bullet struck his brain. dr. michael baden who conducted the autopsy suggests this shot was the shot that killed michael brown. dr. baden said there was no evidence of a struggle between brown and police officer darren wilson. the report -- he reports there was no gun powder residue on brown's body indicating the shots were not fired at close range. this is one of three autopsies

expected to be released. the family chose to conduct their own autopsy in addition to the one being conducted by a local official. the full reports of the st. louis county medical examiner's autopsy have yet to be released. on sunday attorney generic holder ordered a federal autopsy would be conducted as well. joining me now is missouri state senator maria chapelle nadal and joins us from ferguson tonight. we appreciate your time here. you have been on the ground and visiting with your constituents. i know all day visited with you earlier today. what has the community response been to the autopsy results that were released and news came out this morning at the press conference? >> well, i just have to tell you, ed, that the community knew that there were several shots fired and now this autopsy actually proves that at least six shots were fired to michael brown and so people are still

upset about this and they are looking for more information in this investigation at this time. >> does this make the case for officer wilson to be arrested as you see it? >> can you repeat yourself? >> does this autopsy in your opinion make the case for the officer in question to be arrested? >> well, i do have to tell you looking at the autopsy report last evening, it looks like michael brown was just killed. it was an assassination and many of the community members are waiting to -- for this police officer to be arrested. they are waiting for a grand jury and indictment and so until that happened, i still see unrest and many of the people want to continue to protest in peace. >> so you think there will be unrest until there is a legal

action taken against the shooter? >> yes, there must be an arrest. i'm not an attorney, ed, but i do have to tell you, there are basic elements that are already out in the public. there are witnesses who saw this murder and it was absolutely callous and my constituents frankly are still upset that this officer is on paid leave. i mean, if it was anything -- any other person as my constituents have said today, if it was a black man who shot another man, they would have already been in jail by now. and they want to know why is this officer on paid leave and at the same time he's not in jail, he's basically watching your show tonight, ed. >> what is your reaction, senator, to the news that governor jay nixon called in the state missouri national guard. was that the correct move in your opinion? >> i have to tell you that the governor has mismanaged this entire situation from the very beginning.

i will reiterate he's still not been to ground zero. this is day ten sense michael brown was killed. he has not been at ground zero where the people are affected and protesting in peace. so because he doesn't have that connection to the people who have been impacted the most, he doesn't understand what should happen. all of his logistics are off and that's why you have seen many of us, including myself be victims of tear gassing. and it's unfortunate but we do need order. i will say that right now. we have some elements that are coming into this community that are not from this community. i heard today that we have anarchists interested in violent action and they are just a few people, not the majority of protesters who have been trying to exercise their first amendment right. i have to tell you, our first amendment right has been taken as a state senator, my first amendment right has been taken in the last ten days.

i certainly don't want 17 and 18-year-olds to be the victim of not having the right to assemble in peace and speak their minds. >> senator, do you think the tear gassing that has taken place was necessary? >> absolutely not. i have to tell you there's a woman six months pregnant forced to the ground face down the night we were tear gassed. a week ago from today, we were on a one way street, the st. louis county police officers fired tear gas at us for three hours. for three hours. we couldn't breathe whatsoever. the 150 or so young people that i was with were very upset and very scared. i felt very safe with them the entire time. none of us could understand why st. louis county police officers were spraying tear gas at us for three hours. >> senator, i'll ask you before i'll let you go here, what calms

this crowd? an arrest, the president spoke today. he's sending the attorney general down to ferguson. what calms the people so we don't see violence tonight? >> well, let me tell you, what will calm the citizens of the 14th senate district is one, an arrest of darren wilson. also, he needs not to get paid. he's getting paid right now. he's on paid leave. if he didn't have the paid leave, they would be very happy with that. that would create calm. next, they want an indictment. and that is very important. but we have to make sure that the investigation is not tampered with and there are no biases that are entered into this entire process. we want to make sure everything is clean and the community sees everything for what it is. that's the truth. we want to know what the truth is. and all of these young people that i'm with every single day,

ed, i have to tell you, some of smem, they are willing to die. they are amazed they made it to 21 years old. there's a man today that i saw in the streets at the qt and he said i'm ready to die right now. it's amazing i made it here. another young man a week ago from yesterday said i'm ready to die. if michael brown is going to die, it could have been me. i'm ready to die right now for justice. but what my job is, to redirect that energy so that we can have outcomes and action so this will never occur anymore. there's only been one murder in ferguson this year. and that is the death of michael brown. this is a very peaceful community with institutional racism in the police department but we're seeking justice, ed and want to make sure that the investigation is not tampered with. we want to make sure there's a conviction and we also want to make sure that this does not occur again and that we have the

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>> molotov cocktails were thrown. there were shootings, looting, vandalism and other acts of violence that clearly appear not to have been spontaneous or premeditated criminal acts designed to damage property, hurt people and provoke a response. >> against the hostile backdrop, eric holder said police and citizens need to restore calm. eric holder was at the white house earlier today to huddle with president obama about the rapidly developing situation and will visit ferguson, missouri later this week. last hour during a news conference, president obama was asked about local police being armed with military weapons. >> there is a big difference between our military and our local law enforcement and we don't want those lines blurred. that would be contrary to our traditions. i think there will be bipartisan interest in reexamining some of those programs. >> many other lawmakers are coming forward to express

concern. missouri senator claire mccaskill said police response in ferguson have become the problem instead of the solution. congressman hank johnson of georgia said he'll introduce legislation to curb the trend of arming police with military weapons. a report by the american civil liberties union found the amount of goods transferred through the military surplus program rose in value from $1 million in 1990 to nearly $450 million in 2013. with officers using equipment designed for the battlefield on city streets, the citizens of ferguson feel they are being treated like the enemies. senator bernie sanders recently posted on facebook the shooting of an unarmed person is unacceptable, i support calls for a thorough federal investigation and in the meantime people have a right to peacefully protest. police must be seen as part of the community and not an occupying force. senator sanders joins me

tonight. appreciate your time. police are treating residents of ferguson like they are the enemy. that's the comments that's coming back to us here. how can this dynamic be changed when there's such a show of brut force and, of course, the state national guard has been called out another show of force. what about all of this, senator? >> well, ed, if there's any silver lining in the tragedy of ferguson, is that i hope we learn very important lessons. when i was mayor of burlington vermont and all over this country, what mail mayors are trying to do, develop community based policing, where police officers are seen as part of the neighborhood and know people in the neighborhood and trusted by people in the neighborhood. when you see the kind of force that's being used in ferguson, it really does make it appear that the police department there is an occupying army in a

hostile territory. and that is absolutely not what we want to see in the united states. i think we've got to rethink a lot of this heavy equipment that police departments around the country are utilizing. second point, ed -- i'm sorry, go ahead. >> your second point is, sir. >> second point is i hope that what ferguson teaches us is that not only the violence being perpetrated against young black men but also the economic crisis facing black youth in this country. ed, youth unemployment in america is tragically high. it is 20%. african-american youth unemployment is 35% in st. louis area, it is significantly higher than that. and if we are going to address the issue of crime in low income areas and african-american areas, it might be a good idea that instead of putting heavy equipment into police departments in those areas, we

start creating jobs for the kids there who desperately need them. >> senator, what about the equipment, the president said this may be addressed by congress on a bipartisan level. but the department of homeland security recently came out with a report saying that the biggest threat to our security is within our own borders, a lot of anti-government groups that have popped up in this country, hate groups that have popped up in the country and law enforcement in many respects feels pretty much outgunned and they want to be prepared. is it the equipment or use of the equipment that's the issue in your opinion? >> i think it's the latter. clearly police departments all over this country have very difficult times dealing with drug pushers and people who are very well armed that we want to make sure our police department has the effective tools and equipment to combat those threats. on the other hand, i do not think you need tanks and heavy military looking equipment in

low income communities in america. i think that essentially makes a difficult situation a dangerous situation and much more difficult. again, police department should not be perceived as occupying armies. i think this is an issue along with the economic issue of having to create jobs for our young people that congress should be addressing when we return. >> does a curfew block the citizens right to peaceful protest? what do you think? >> well, of course it does. on some circumstances it may be a valid response. i don't know enough to tell you about the circumstance in ferguson. >> you would be in favor of reducing the amount of equipment that -- and the use of this military equipment that we have seen? >> he think i would be absolutely in favor of taking a hard, hard look at that program. i don't know you can make 100% generalization but i do not want

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show officer wilson receiving a commendation from the ferguson police department in february of this year. the 28-year-old had no prior complaints against him. his current whereabouts are unknown. neighbors say the officer and his family left his residence in crestwood, missouri, shortly before his name was released to the public. wilson is on paid administrative leave which still doesn't sit well with some members of the community. joining me tonight to sort it out, ring of fire radio host and america's attorney mike papatunia, former president of the american trial lawyers association. at this point now that the autopsy has been released -- the private autopsy -- i would imagine there wouldn't be much difference between that and the others. maybe there will be. what would prevent the officer in question from being arrested at this hour? >> as you point out the best autopsy information available at this point comes from a remarkably experienced new york

chief medical examiner. this is a guy who was called in for the assassination of jfk and martin luther king to do the studies. there is an issue with arresting him too soon. they are building a case. there is a speedy trial issue, ed. once the arrest is made, speedy trial begins to run. if the defense lawyer is smart, he would make a demand immediately, and in most states he'll have to get a speedy trial within 60 days. otherwise it will be 120 days. it's not a good move to do this too quickly. according to the fellow who did the autopsy there was no sign of close conflict struggle. no close vicinity gunpowder spray patterns that showed close proximity shots that you typically see when an officer is trying to protect himself. the tra aject ary of shots move from the top of the skull down which potentially showed brown

in a submissive posture. virtually all the forensic findings are consistent with the multiple eyewitness statements that tell the story that brown surrendered. is there enough to work with? yes. is it better that they take their time and build the strongest case? they can, yes. the second thing to consider, this d.a. in this backyard should not be involved. he should rekuz himself, let a d.a. from another jurisdiction handle this. even the grand jury should be from another jurisdiction. if they are serious about trying to quell unrest, that's what they should do. it happens all the time. >> what about holder's involvement? he'll be there wednesday. >> it's wonderful. i'm glad holder will be there. i'm glad they will do another autopsy. the questions i want answered, was there dna, michael brown's dna on the gun? the officer says, yeah, there is a struggle for the gun. we ought to be able to find

that. the other issue is the clothes t. spray pattern on the clothes will tell us a lot. there is plenty here for an arrest. the smart thing to do is build the best case they can, wait it out, get the best case. don't invoke the speedy trial problem. it will bring a problem in the long run because they will have more time to study, p more time to test if they will be patient. >> quickly, the releasing of the robbery video videotape, how does that play legally and how impactful is that? >> there are going to be so many moving parts there will be an attack obviously on michael brown. same thing you saw with trayvon martin. you're going to see it time and again. he was on drugs, did something wrong. it comes down to it, the person prosecuting this case needs to leave the jury to understand none of that matters. it was pure second-degree murder at least. >> mike papantonio we'll come

back to you on this story for sure. "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton starts now. good evening. >> good evening, ed. thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, a defining moment for our country. how do we as a nation look at nations around the world? how do we determine whether they are police states or whether they are fair to citizens? we judge them by how they hold those that are the officers of the state accountable. whether citizens are allowed to question and seek redress and find out if they are valid or if they are not. the michael brown case has brought it home to america. how do we deal with policing? in the last three weeks we have seen a woman pummelled unarmed on a freeway in los angeles.