this morning the parent was michael brown said this about their city and their son. >> when justice is prevailed, maybe they'll regain their trust in the locals, but right now it's really out of control. >> we need to keep the focus of michael brown. that's who we need to keep the focus on michael brown, jr. >> this is the headline "streets flair up." my colleague chris hayes was there for one of the flair near the local quick trip. >> it looks like flash grenades. there's smoke rising up from where the quick trip is. we see protesters hurling things at -- i can't tell what they are. they're popping in the sky. they look like fireworks. they could be flash grenades. could be about to get tear gassed here, frankly. >> as of this morning, at least

31 arrests were made overnight. at least two people were shot. none by police. two fires broke out, and two guns were confiscated by authorities. hoping to avoid the same headlines tomorrow, missouri highway patrol captain ron johnson called for protesters to come out during the day night, noted some of those arrested came far from ferguson. he promised this morning to make things right in his community. >> i'm not going to let the criminals that have come out here from across this country or live in this community define this neighborhood and define what we're going to do to make it right. >> my colleague craig melvin spoke with captain johnson last hour about what his officers are facing. >> our officers were under gunfire here last night. >> did the officers return fire? >> no, they did not. >> let's start on the ground in ferguson with msnbc.com reporter

amanda. she's on the phone. thank you for being with us. tell me how it was last night. what did you see? >> last night i witnessed multiple clashes between poli police -- and attempted to target individuals in the crowd. now the parameters of the police force were to have the protesters not convene in the middle of the street. and so protesters were told to be on the sidewalk, to be marching peacefully. now when these would swarm the area areas -- they were inevitably swarming people within the parameters of where they needed to be on the sidewalk. they were there peacefully. right in front of me i saw five police swarm to journalists.

they couldn't anticipate the police coming fast enough. as they were bouncing up they slipped and tripped on each other. they were on the ground with their hands raised and police had guns drawn ahead of them. i was able to snap a picture of it as it was happening and the journalists was saying don't shoot. they were incredibly scared. as this was happening, the police swarmed around and detained one of the protesters around us. >> amanda, thank you so much for being with us. i apologize. we had audio problems with her. it's because of the nature of live television and cell phone service. let's stay on the ground in ferguson. on night 10, we're on night 10. the first time the national guard was in town. but may be a change in strategy, b but no real change occurred. the violence continued not only clashes with police but among protester

protesters. joining me now on this program is the voice in that video, a local taxi driver who serves as an independent journalist. thank you for being with us this morning. i appreciate your time. >> you're welcome. >> you talk about the disagreements among protesters. you found yourself in the middle of a disagreement like that last night. is that common? >> well, i don't know how common it is it's the first time we have seen a situation like this that has been popping up over the last couple of days. it seem juice the peace keepers are lead by, you know, people like brother anthony shaheen, n antonio french and the bulk of the protesters. among the protesters, you have a

contingent of fired up youth and the right to be fired up. you look at the circumstances they come from. they look how they're coming up, and they seem to be incited by a group of what i would describe is mostly out of town professional protesters. some people refer to them as communists. but people -- some people refer to them as an are key. i can could careless. anarchy, communists, none of that matters to me. it's unfortunate we have people coming from out of town coming in here and inciting violence that do nothing but get a bunch of black youth killed and chill whenever they came from. >> that's a key point you're bringing up. captain ron johnson talked about the arrest. he said people coming in from as far away as california or new york. there's also reports of a group from chicago called the revolution club joining the protest. you're talking about this and it's so important.

because when the professional agitators come in, the people that are affected and the people that live in the community and outraged and outside protesting what they feel is an injustice. it gets carried away by the out of town people, as you said, get to go home and watch this on tv from the sofa. >> we have to focus on the issue at hand. mike brown. the systemic constitutional reschism that is in the st. louis area. the police brutality. the failure of the public schools in the st. louis metropolitan area. the problems in north st. louis county. we have to focus on that. not let people come from out of town to incite their little revolution, to live out their little fantasy on the backs of dead black youth. we can't get suckered into that. you know, it's not a political issue.

this is not a partisan issue. all the petty st. louis politics need put to the side. everyone needs to focus on the issue at hand which is mike brown, which is the constitutional issues we have here on the st. louis metro p l metropolitan area i've been talking about for years and writing about for years. no one is paying attention. north st. louis county isn't sexy, it's not glamorous. the problems are very real. >> and what is it that you think could help solve or help mitigate this anger, this injustice, this lack of transparency that many in the community feel. >> that's a good question. we have the fired up youth. many of these youth just sad, they're angered. you know, we have teenagers with bad credits and felonies already. they look forward in life they don't see nothing in the future. you know, they figure they're going to go for broke out there

in the streets. they figure they have nothing to lose anyway. we have to reach out to the young people with love. that's what the peace keepers are trying to do and other people trying to in a positive manner. at the same time, you have other people trying to incite them to get themselves killed. we have to reach them with love, don't give up on the youth. youth are our future. if we give up on them, we don't have a future. >> thank you for being with us this morning. we appreciate your time. >> i want to bring in craig melvin had an interview with captain johnson and the family's attorney in the last couple of minutes. good morning, how are you? >> hey, jose! good to see you. >> like wise. did anyone convince you they're working toward a resolution to mitigate the violence to begin with? >> you know, that's a good question. no. no one convinced me of that yet. i can tell you captain johnson

he's trying a lot of different things and said to me last night we spent about 30 to 5 minutes together last night as the situation started to unfold here about a block away, and i got to talk to him while his officers were deploying. and they would retreat and deploy and retreat. one of the great frustrations here continues to be how do you separate the folks who are here to peacefully protest? the folks who are here to exercise their first amendment right to peaceably assemble. the folks who are here to, in some way, shape, form, or fashion perhaps honor the memory of michael brown. how do you separate those people from people who just show up at night when the sun goes down to wreak havoc and raise holly hell. the reality is i can tell you after spending a fair amount of time walking with the

protesters. you've got about a 50/50 split. everyone here in ferguson is not here to honor mike brown. to police, one of the things that the captain johnson said to me last night, you know, one of the things they continue to have to deal with is in the front of the peaceful protesters and the group of protesters you have the peaceful folks, the folk who are chanting, folks with the posters. it's more organized. behind those people you have a group of -- this is something else i find interesting. no one seems to know precisely who the people are, where they're from, what they want. no one has been able to give me a good answer. captain johnson said about an hour ago -- one of the state reps said they were anarchists. they've been described as other folks as outsiders. there's some confusion over who they are, what they want, and what their mission is. what are they really trying to

do here in ferguson. >> what they are doing is getting a lot of folks focussed away from what really this is all about. the death of an unarmed teenager coming up on ten days. they're being successful in that. they know by throwing a little spark and creating a big fire all of a sudden their intentions are more important for many than the original issue. that's why i think it's important for everybody to keep focussed on what this is all about. now, let me ask you about the national guard. they were going to come out last night for the first time in ten days. any change? any difference? >> no. no. and the national guard here, they don't have a arresting power. by and large, the primary mission very narrow in scope. their primary mission is to secure their perimeter of the law enforcement headquarters, so to speak. they have a makeshift command center set up.

the national guard, by and large, is there. because what you saw up until last night. you saw a lot of law enforcement officers were spending a fair amount of their time and effort and a great deal of energy protecting the perimeter. about a, you know, mile up the road, there's this target parking lot and they were having to use a lot of their resources to do that. the idea you bring in the national guard to secure the area and that frees up law enforcement officers. we saw a few national guardsmen down here, but the national guardmen were not, you know, walking streets with the cops. you have a number of other jurisdictions that were doing that. you know, it's -- it was very interesting last night, jose, to see how quickly it unraveled. we were talking for two or three hours. i was talking to chris hayes about it. we were talking to other folks on the air. we were talking about how peaceful it had been. it was organized, they were

snaking the perimeter by and large. the chief complaint, primarily up until 11:00 or 10:00 was that the police would not allow them to stand still. they had been told they had to keep it moving. and all of a sudden, and we still have not been able to pin point precisely what happened. all of a sudden, something seemed to have happened. once again, across the street in front of the mcdonalds. that is when, you know, all hell broke loose. after that, that same sort of routine that we've seen play out over the past few days played out once again. there would be a skirmish, arrest, things would quiet down and all of a sudden it would start up again. something else that was interested. you essentially had two police lines. one line you had 60 or 70 officers. another officer maybe 20 or 30. they were working to basically move toward each other to secure the area in between. i had a number of people who got

trapped in between and said they couldn't get out. they couldn't go home. it is going to be interesting to see how they change their tactics tonight. every night we've seen law enforcement change tactics. we know there are going to be some changes. we do not precisely know what the changes will be just yet. >> craig melvin. thank you for being with us this morning. this morning sabrina fullton wrote an open letter to the brown family sending her prayers and support. she writes, quote, no one will ever convince me that my son deserved to be stalked and murdered. no one can convince you that michael deserved to be executed. but know this. neither of their lives shall be in vain. the gal vanzation of our community must be continued beyond the tragedy. we fight injustice we hold ourselves to an appropriate level of intelligent advocacy. more on what the president is

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the federal government isn't letting up in the civil rights investigation into the death of michael brown. attorney general eric holder will visit ferguson tomorrow. he'll meet with fbi investigators and prosecutors on the ground. the director of the doj community policing services is expected to arrive in ferguson today. he'll coordinate crowd control with state and local law enforcement. the third autopsy of michael brown ordered by the attorney

general was done yesterday. plus, we know 40 fbi agents have been on the ground for days conducting interviews with witnesses about the case. joining me now congresswoman eleanor holmes norton. a long time civil rights and fi feminist leader. thank you for being with us. >> of course. >> i like your thoughts on you've been involved in civil rights for so many years. do you see what is happening in ferguson as being part of that or do you see this as a different reality that we're dealing with in the country? >> really different reality. for example, there were no social media in the '60s and '70s when there were rebellions and riots. you have social media used by peaceful protesters and the provok or its. so people on the ground officials like the governor and the city mayor and county executive are having to contend

with several different crowds. there are several fergusons here. there are the suburban, black community. this is a lower middle to middle class community that moved into their version of the suburbs and they're the majority. yes, they have among them some poor people. then there are the jobless among them. particularly the young men who are easy enough to coalesce with the provok or its because they don't have any jobs and they don't see any future. and then what do you have just to start things off wrong? you have a militarized police force with cops dressed to kill as if in a theater of war. everything went wrong and now about the only government that is doing something that i think could be term correct is the federal government who initiated an investigation immediately. you see the place crawling with fbi agents. you see the attorney general himself coming out, and you see

the president speaking with some balance. so that people who don't understand this, people who would be very much against it because they have no understanding in the black community as well will understand they have a leader. where are the leaders on the ground? >> yeah, that's a great question that i've been thinking a lot about. because it is their responsibility to be seen and to be listened to. and it is fascinating how you are saying there's two fergusons. it's a fascinating able si to other things we're dealing with in this country. the police looking militarized. the other line of questioning would be the police say they're being shot at. they confiscated two guns last night. how do you balance that when you have a small minority of a population that may not even be from ferguson that are using this to incite violence, including using weapons. >> yeah, now they're being shot at. in the beginning, the militarized force came out

nobody was shooting at anybody. people were walking with their hands up, and seeing that militarized force you had an inflammatory situation. it began inflammatory with the body of the boy on the ground for five hours. explain to me. then you have the militarized police force in the face of peacef fful protesters. now the provok or its and the national guard are doing right to try to separate them. you see the majority of peaceful protesters are doing exactly what the highway patrol and the local police say do. march down this yourself. separate yourself from the thugs. by now, in america where you can reach everybody by going on twitter you'll have everybody with the particular line of grievances coming in. you need people on the ground. the governor should be there every day. i'm from d.c.

you would expect the mayor to be there. the head of the city to be out there. where are there they? where are the county leaders and city leaders? mostly i've seen elected officials. they're not the people with their hands on running the city. >> the problem, congresswoman, is that when you don't really represent a community and you are their elected official, you may fear what you don't know and fear going out there and it has so much to do with the lack of representation of communities. la frankly, the lack of democratic processes that are not carried out in places like ferguson. they just don't represent the people they speak to and elected to represent. >> it's interesting to note. you have the mostly white police force in a mostly black community. i'm perplexed about why most of the elected officials are white as well.

is there something about the way elections are done in missouri or in the county? that's troublesome. usually when you get a minority community a community that becomes mostly minority, you get some diversity of representation. so you may have an elected leadership as well as a police force that does not feel they are truly represented in the community and that's poison. >> and you know what? also participation in the electorial process to make sure that you're registered to vote and you vote and not later complain when your lack of voting brings up issues like this. the fact is we all have -- >> hey, black community! you see what happens when you don't have your own elected officials out there. people who have had experiences similar to your own. i don't understand that. again, there may be something about the way the elections are conducted in that county. but if i were in that

community -- first thing i would be doing is organize voters to go to the polls in november. >> thank you so much for being with is this morning. i appreciate your time. >> always a pleasure. i want to bring in my colleague and co-host. good morning. good to see you. you interviewed the attorney general. what do you make of the role he's taking in this? >> well, he's the top law enforcement official in the nation. and given the sensitivities and some break down of local policing and local law enforcement, that does raise the role, the potential role of the fbi, which is a division of the doj here. now the president announcing his visit reflects something different than just the investigation that was already going on. i think it reflects a desire by the obama administration to show they're hands on. the president, as we know, for those that watch the news has been very even-handed every time he discusses this. discusses the need to reserve judgment in what is an open case

investigation. the need for peaceful not provok or its, the things you've been discussing and reporting on today. and discussing the role of the doj here. so sending eric holder out there is a reflection of the import here. hopefully, i think, from the administration's view, a chance to calm some of the storm here. but, of course, it potentially raises the stakes. while he's there wednesday all eyes, of course, will be on this community. >> and ari, i want your expertise as a lawyer. with so many different investigations going on. local, state, and federal, with possibilities of different conclusions does this bring up the possibility that with different conclusions may be muddle up the situation even more? >> i don't think it will be a muddle. to your question, there are different standards in the investigations. it's assuming generally that it's a local police and local investigative and local potential prosecutorial process. right. that is how you deal with this

kind of incident. if it doesn't have any link to federal, you know, federal officers or a federal role to begin with. the type of federal investigation that we are witnessing would be separate from that. but the higher burden of broof in the event there's a finding of a civil rights investigation. what it means practically if you found reckless behavior by an officer. which doesn't mean they tried to do something bad. that would be local. to go to the federal investigation you would need a higher standard of proof. these are going to be different. they're dealt with in different ways for real reasons. doj is looking at the distinct type of investigation. >> thank you. don't forget you can catch ari every weekday at 3:00 p.m. on msnbc. a 90-year-old holocaust survivor one of the people arrested on monday while

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there's also no excuse for police to use excessive force against peaceful protests or to throw protesters in jail for lawfully exercising their first amendment rights. >> please don't interfere with officers and let's give attention to the peaceful not to those determined to disrupt and call attention to themselves. let's not glamorize the acts of criminal criminals. >> the president has been briefed daily on what is going on in ferguson.

nbc kristen welker joins us live. any reaction from the white house this morning? >> based on my conversations this morning, jose, white house officials are deeply troubled by what they saw last night in ferguson. the ongoing unrest, the ongoing violence. they're still trying to determine whether the national guard is helping our hurting conversations going on this morning between white house officials and state officials in missouri to try to determine that exact fact. of course, this comes a day after president obama spoke for the second time about the crisis in ferguson. he called for calm, he called for healing, he talked about the fact that this underscores the broader racial problems that still exist in this country. i'll read a little bit of what he said. quote, in too many communities around the country -- he went on to say in too many communities too many young min of color are

left behind and seen only as objects of fear. he talked about the program i had started back in february, my brother's keeper. which is aimed at helping black youth giving them the tools to succeed as they move forward in their lives. he said, look, it's one step. there's obviously still a lot more that needs to be done to resolve this problem. one thing that is interesting to note, president obama spoke in deeply personal terms after trayvon martin was killed. the president hasn't done so in this case. in part, i think because we're seeing the unrest, the violence in the streets almost nightly in ferguson. the white house right now focussed on trying to deal with that part of this crisis. the president, by the way, later on this afternoon will head back to martha's vineyard. he was here in d.c. for two days. he interrupted his summer vacation to come back for previously scheduled meets. meetings scheduled before the ferguson crisis erupted.

he goes back this afternoon and continue to monitor the developments. >> thank you for the report from the white house. the president is closely watching the overseas developments in iraq where iraqi forces this morning began an offensive to retake the city from islamic terrorists. comes a day after regaining control of the strategic mosul dam. aided by punishing air strikes on sis targets. let's bring in a congressman from california. the president says that recapturing the dams is a major step forward. could it be a game changer in the fight against isis in iraq? >> probably the bigger game-changer is the change in the regime in baghdad. we had two positive developments this week. the one you mentioned i think is more tactical than restrategic. the retaking the dam. the over is potentially more significant. you could have a different government in baghdad. maliki is out.

he promises to govern a more inclusive way. it has the prospect of peeling the sunni tribes away from isil. ting may be the bigger development this week. >> true. let's not forget the kurds. they are feeling empowered. they're able to fight back as they wanted to and many times felt isolated from the rest of the world. not only from the government in baghdad but international allies that could be helping. that's a game-changer as far as boots on the ground that aren't american. >> absolutely. and, you know, i think the kurdish fighters have a lot of potential. there are challenges there. they haven't fought as an army before. they're actually affiliated with the political factions within the kurdish territory. they need to fight as one army and that's something they need to be e kwipted to do. trained to do. i think they're the most reliable fighting force we can

fight with in iraq. >> i want to bring you back to the states. as a former federal prosecutor eric holder said he's troubled about what he calls the slektdive release of sensitive information in the case. >> i'm glad that the attorney general is going there tomorrow and that there has been such an aggressive federal investigation and we've seen the fbi fanning out and interviewing scores of people the independent autopsy. i think it's going to be very important. the public having confidence that an objective investigation is being conducted. i think that's perfectly appropriate. i share the concerns the attorney general and the president have raised about the situation there, which as you mentioned, and as your guests have. it's con influence of a terrible set of circumstances. the killing of the young man. the out of towners coming into ferguson particularly to cause trouble and the innocent protesters caught in the middle. a combustible mix.

i think the justice department is doing exactly the right thing. >> congressman, good to see you. thank you for your time. and we want to show you one of the important moments from last night. it's not getting a lot of attention. there are clearly people like this man in the hat trying to be peace keepers. you can hear him talking to one of the people in the crowd calming him down. trying to diffuse a situation. we'll have more from ferguson next. [ woman ] the cadillac summer collection is here. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] during the cadillac summer's best event, lease this 2014 ats for around $299 a month. hurry in -- this exceptional offer ends soon.

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and tension between police and media continued into the night. >> credential media, you need to disperse immediately or you will be subject to arrest. do it now! >> amy nelson joins me now from ferguson as does ryan riley of the huffington post who was arrested last week after a confrontation in mcdonald'ss. thank you for being with us this morning. amy, i want to talk about what clearly has become a tension between the media and police. is there some fairness to what captain johnson has been saying let's not make the correspondents the issue and let's stick to reporting and not glorifying just the bad parts of it >>well, i mean, i absolutely am in agreement with captain johnson when he said that reporters should not be part of the story. but, you know, there are a lot of rights and most people don't really care about the issue. but it is important because if we're not able to do our jobs, then we can't show what is

happening here on the ground. we also aren't able to report on what the police are doing. which i think is a crucial part of the story. >> and ryan, you were at the heart of this last wednesday. the president making reference to you and first amendment rights. how has the situation changed or has it changed at all since then? >> it's changed a little bit there's a press designated area for the past couple of nights. the first night we had the press designated area it was secured and they were checking credentials. i think one of the issue last night. there wasn't as much security surrounding the area. in theory, we were being told to go. we were also were allowed to roam around the streets. but obviously like any photographer is taken into custody. i'm not sure the confrontation that lead up to that or how much warning he was given there. the situation is such treated as protesters and allowed to continue moving. it's a difficult situation and i

think it's tough to strike the balance. given that a lot of media are outfitted in tear gas masks and trying to prevent getting hit with any of the crowd dispersement materials. it makes it tougher to distinguish for a lot of police officers between who is protesting and who is just a member of the media trying to document something. >> on the other hand, when there is tear gas to be eaten, it's good for journalists that are going to be covering it to have some kind of protection. i want to bring you to the washington post. this is what it said just yesterday. it says as reporters have discovered over the past week, there's no journalism textbook on how to cover a riot. there's little experience to fall back on. most of the people covering ferguson weren't born yet when american cities were swept up in the urban riots of the 1960ss. i'm wondering and when i went to cover a war in 1984. i had no idea what a war was going to be like. you learn along the way.

is there something you have been confronted with that maybe you didn't expect to find? >> women well, i didn't expect to be in the middle of barrage of multiple tear gas canisters coming at me in all directions. that was something that especially on sunday night i didn't fully expect. especially at that time of night. i think one of the biggest challenges is for most of us who aren't equipped, you know, with any sort of gear maybe some people have certain tear gas masks, but the bullets. you can't -- we're naked out there. we don't have a lot of protection. for me, personally, that is how i'm trying to gauge where i am on any given night and making sure that i'm hopefully not in the line of fire if in fact protesters and police exchange bullets. because that's something that you can't protect against. >> and, ryan, no reporter should expect or think in the united

states of america for doing their job you can get arrested. >> yes. that's frankly true. i think it's the difficult situation we're playing out here and figuring out how where to stand and be so we can be safe and document the situation. it's difficult thing to figure out exactly where to be. we seen it from two perspectives. for most of the times i've been covering the protest. i've been in the crowd with the protesters and on the side of the protesters. for the first time, i think, yesterday was the time we fell behind some of the officers and saw it from different perspective. and, you know, honestly, earlier on in this coverage i felt safer being within the group of protesters. last night was the first time -- i'm sorry two nights ago was the first time i felt safer being behind the officers. >> fascinating perspective. ryan rhode island liley and amyk you. >> we'll talk about two figures

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community. >> that was missouri highway patrol captain ron johnson talking to craig melvin this morning. he took over command of police forces and the national guard. he's a native son. he's told the community about his own children, experiences, and hopes for restoring order to the place he lives, loves, and works. let's bring in buzz feed reporter joel anderson who has been developing the reports. we saw captain johnson get applause for his words at the church service this week. he's commanding a police force in a volatile situation. he has additional burden of updating the media . is he being asked to do too much? >> he's definitely working overtime. it's necessary the situation. for how he's doing, i guess that depends on who you ask. if you ask people in the community, they're still very frustrated and upset with the

police. if you ask the media, they're not particularly happy either. but a lot is related to issues of access. but, you know, if you talk to superiors they might feel another way. you know, the violence went down a little bit last night. it's still -- there's still some clashes going on out here. >> yeah, you know, he asked protesters, as we heard a few seconds ago to come out during the day instead of the night. do you think that's going to change things? they're talking about these instigators are coming in from out of town and those are the people they're looking out to mitigate. do you think things will change? people will heed the call to go out during the day? >> no. the people he's trying to reach are really the people that are inclined to listen to him. i think that, you know, son-in-law of t -- some of the more peaceful protesters will be here throughout the day. we're really talking about, you know, a younger crowd that, you know, doesn't get really started until much later in the day.

so, you know, around nightfall when a lot of younger people and the people that are a little bit more confrontational are coming out. i don't think they're going to be heeding captain johnson call. as far as some of the other protesters and the people here with signs and have been here throughout the week, they may do that. but there's really no way to know. >> yeah, and the big question is you know what is it going to take for people to see that finally there is some change. there is some transparency, there is some justice and they can begin, begin the process of healing those divisions that exist in ferguson. as the congresswoman was saying, that seems almost at times seem like there are two fergusons as there are also two americas in many opportunities. thank you for your time. we appreciate your reporting this morning in the area that has seen so much volatile things happening in the last ten days.

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from a small faction of troublemakers. many of whom are from out of town. >> these are the criminals looting our stores, that a few nights ago, put bricks along the roadway. these were the criminals shooting at police last night behind bushes and buildings. we had four officers injuried with minor injuries. we had no protesters injured as a result of any of our activity. we did have two were shot by guns within the west forestson by the groups here. >> with the curfew no longer in place and national guard on the scene to help back up police. the night began with largely calm protest until things took a dramatic turned around 10:00 p.m. michael brown's parents were asked if they thought the violence was a distractions to the investigation of their son's death on the "today" show. >> it is a distractions. but we won't let us distract us to the point