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calm finally settles on ferguson. one ray of hope, overnight police did not deploy the smoke bombs and tear gas that have become a nightly fixture but complaints of overly aggressive policing did continue with the arrest of at least 47 protesters. tremaine lee and perry baker. what has eric holder done so far today and how is he being received right now in perfecting son? >> he touched down not long ago. he's meeting with community leaders and students. and one student said that holder was the source of inspiration and folks feel that it will keep local law enforcement on this, that maybe the veil of sequence city that they feel has been will soon be lifted.
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so again, his being here alone, of course there is intel that they will be sharing with the fbi and community leaders, but it's also again a sense of inspiration for people who have been witnessing this turmoil here for the last 11 days. >> and before attorney general holder even touched down there, he held a call with civil rights leaders around the country and valerie jarrett was also on that call. tell us what were they trying to accomplish? >> monday before the president spoke, attorney general holder along with valerie jarrett, obama senior adviser of course, along with the head of the civil rights division at doj had a conference call with civil rights leaders around the country. and they know there is a lot of concern about the issue. and they had two messages. the first one was they talked a lot about president obama is very involved, he's being briefed constantly about this. the secretary thing holder said, he said it three different times, we're having a separate independent investigation. the idea being holder
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particularly wants to reassure african americans that he is personally investigating this in addition to the police in st. louis. >> and that is what local leaders have been calling for, some want actually the fbi investigation to be the primary if not the only investigation, not a lot of trust apparently in what is happening locally. what are you hearing on the ground about bob mccullough's the local prosecutor to keep going and stay on? >> i think again it's a interests above concontention. as you remember in the trayvon martin case, there was so much pressure to assign a special prosecutor because the community didn't have faith in a clear look. so here the prosecutor would be next in line. people dislike this prosecutor. they have no faith that he'll be able to prosecute this. they just don't trust him. so as the uproar continues to grow, and the din is getting
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louder, but it doesn't seem likely. >> and in the call, did any civil rights leaders express opinions about nixon or mccullough? they find themselves facing a democrat he can administration trying to essentially i guess fix the mess that they made. >> what i've heard, there were not questions taken. so holder and valjarrett spoke no questions taken. but we know there is a not a lot of trust in the police locally and the president mentioned it himself, he used the phrase i will be watching to describe his reaction to jay nixon invoking the national guard. so they have communicated the message that they do not necessarily the local leadership either and that's partly why holder is there. the white house officials i've talked to frame it as obama is
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running a parallel investigation and in some ways reinforcing their doubts about what is happen manaing in ferguson. >> and i have to get to the nuts and bolts of what is happening on the ground. we have seen during the day things are calm, during the night it's a lot more contentious between police and protesters. you were witness to one of the incidents last night i believe it was when one of our guests that will be on later in the show and several others were rousted by officers. do you still sense the same tension is going on on the streets at night and what happened in that instance? >> what we saw last night is not the same tension because for many of the previous nights, people were hit with rubber bullets and tear gas. but last night was a different strategy. it was almost a shock and confusion strategy. list officered cordoned people off to a corner, pushed them this way. instead of firing tear gas, they sprayed mace.
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they sent teams in and aggressively physically extracted people. i was with the reverend and some of the activists when police officers did emerge. there were guns raised. so the sense is that it's not necessarily calm, but relatively, a much different day. but as you mentioned, once you get past midnight, things certainly change out here on the streets of ferguson. >> and talk a little bit about how that is playing out. because you do have an administration that is balancing two things. you have the issue of the investigation and people's mistrust, but you also have this tremendous show of force that is playing out globally as people are watching what almost in the beginning looked like a military occupation on the streets of an american city. how is that playing for the administration and do you hear people weighing in politically and questioning whether or not the federal government should take a bigger role in that part of it? >> you've already heard that a little bit in terms of john lewis talking about the national guard being federalized and holder is there in part to sort of learn more about the
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situation and figure it out. he's meeting with two different groups of people. first of all meeting with community leaders to figure out how to calm things down, worker on the rioting part. and he's also meeting separately with the fbi investigation team. he's talking about there have been over 100 interviews already. so in part he's trying to play both of those roles. oversee what is happening in the investigation itself, having a separate autopsy, but also he's trying well after to figure out what can the government do. the doj has a staff called the community relateses servi relat service and they're trying to figure out a way to calm the tensions down. >> are there formal protests planned tonight?a way to calm t. >> are there formal protests planned tonight?way to calm the. >> are there formal protests planned tonight? and into you see where ydo you e presence of federal officials and is that calming tensions knowing the fbi is on the ground? >> i'm more than certain that we will see protests again here.
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but the police again have changed their strategy. they're blocking off streets, making it more difficult to get here. so i'm sure we will see them. but with attorney general eric holder on the ground, people have a sense that the federal government is watching and they are there. now, again, once night falls and depending on how the law enforcement responds to the gathering crowd will determine a lot about how people in turn respond aggressively or not. so yet to be seen, but we'll know later on tonight. >> we'll certainly be watching. thanks very much to both of you you. as the grand jury is seated, there are still calls for st. louis county prosecutor to be replaced. in response, missouri governor jay nixon released a statement that reads in part there a well established process by which a prosecutor can recuse themselves from a pending investigation and a special prosecutor be appointed. departing from this could unnecessarily inject legal uncertainty and potentially
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jeopardize the prosecution. prosecutor mccullough responded today putting the ball back in the governor's court. >> i've got that responsibility. i'm not walking away from it. i understand of course that the governor has the ability to remove me from the case. and all i'm asking is that anyone who wants that to occur needs to talk to the governor. he is the only person on the face of this earth that can answer that question. >> and joining me now, president of the national bar association and a democratic committee woman of ferguson township. ms. bines, i want to start with you. each saying the other is the one that would have to actually cause a removal of mccullough oig from the case. at this points, whose responsibility to you perceive it to be? >> i think that instead of trying to play the who is on first, who is on second and the
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political games, bob mccullough oig should recuse himself. and if he says he's not going to do that then the governor should just step up. we need leadership here. >> and you've said this could be until october for the case to play out and some information has been released but they still have more to gather. the longer will stretches out, do you think that will increase or do you think that will make even worse people's sense of mistrust in the process? >> i think it will increase what we see in the streets now. i think individuals are looking for answers with the selective release of information, evidence, people are losing faith in this process. that is the reason why the national bar association says we can stop who is on first, who is on second. the federal government is on
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first. and eric holder needs to come in and take over the investigation. and if he does that, we'll see a calm and a peace in the area and we'll see credibility being restored to the process. >> and pamela, just to stay with you for a moment, now that attorney holder is actually in town, does the national bar association have a meeting scheduled with him to press the case that you just made that he should actually come in and supersede the local investigation? >> we're not a part of the meeting that is going on. we did make an attempt to become a part of that meeting. we sent a letter indicating that i am a native of this area, i've worked at a law firm here for 18 years. this community is my community. if we don't get to meet with him here, we will make attempts to meet with him again. because we do think it's vitally important. and it's not limited just to this case, but if you look at the many cases across america, america is crying out. mothers are crying out.
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the federal government to come in, look at police brutality cases, take them over and restore justice. >> and patricia, if indeed bob mcculluch decides to dig in and he does seem that he's doing that, we had a report he was on the radio earlier essentially telling governor nixon he needs to man up and that he should either fully support him or she remove him, so it doesn't seem like he will walk away soon, where is the pressure going to be applied from people in the community who want him to step asi aside? on him or the governor? >> you you know, we can go at this various ways. i've seen people protesting outside of the justice center, bob mcculluch's office. there are several way this is can go and we won't let up. so anyway to get the message across that we need to have the appearance of an unbiased prosecutor, that is what we will do. >> and i want to stay with you for a second. one thing we've seen as we looked at ferguson, it each like
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some of the ways you're structured make it difficult for the african-americans who are the majority to really play a role in choosing who their elected leaders are. is there a thought to maybe change the structure, the way that your elections take place, meaning even when they take pla place? >> yes, we're looking at ways regionally, there have been discussions looking at do we need this many different municipalities. anyone can sign up to run, but it's about where you get the funds raising dollars from. african-americans are locked out of the fundraising process, as well. so there are lots of things on the table being looked at. and we are looking at everything. >> all right. i want to thank both of you.
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coming up, we will continue our coverage of ferguson, missouri with two high profile activists who are pushing for justice for michael brown. and i'll talk with the father of another unarmed black men gunned down by police, this time inside a walmart, all while he was carrying a toy gun. ♪ ♪ great rates for great rides. geico motorcycle, see how much you could save. find yourself. in an accomodation where you get to do whatever it is that you love to do!
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we're continuing to follow breaking news from missouri where attorney general eric holder is in ferguson meeting with community leaders and grand jury proceedings have just ended for the day. but first we have he breaking you news in the brutal execution of journal list james foley. president obama had this to say. president obama had this to say.
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>> jim foley e's life stands in stark contrast to its killers. isil speaks for no religion. their victims are overwhelmingly muslim and no faith teaches people to massacre innocents. no just god would stand for what they did yesterday and what they do every single day. >> the video which was posted to various free online sites including youtube yesterday before the youtube in particular took it down shows foley executed by a masked militant dressed in all black after delivering a statement under extreme did your relation. the militant says in english and speaking with a british accent that foley's death is in response to the air strikes in iraq. the pentagon has just announced that the u.s. conducted 14 more air strikes today against isis positions around the mosul dam. foley was working as a journalist in syria when he was kidnapped on thanksgiving day in 2012. and joining me now is terrorism analyst evan coleman. i want it start by asking about
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the militant. they're taking great interest because offing beingof the acce determine what part of england he might be from. >> we have seen these beheading videos before, they're awful, abo but we've seen them. in the past it was the jordanian founder was the executioner. the idea that they're westerners is unbelievable. and this video actually came from an isis media unit which exclusively puts out english propaganda. britons, australians and presumably also americans fighting with isis. so the answer is there are enough of these guys out there that they have their own english language media win for isis. that should stand on its own as
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the subject of extreme concern. >> and what would be the import of getting western voices, british and american accents, in for those videos? >> first of all we have to recognize that al qaeda wouldee same. these folks are interested in waging a war against the united states.these folks are interest waging a war against the united states. best way is to have individuals that can sneak through western security and carry out attacks in western countries. and we're already starting to see the beginnings of that. however, this video i think brings it home to anyone who had any doubts about what the intentions of isis are or about how barbaric they are, even al qaeda in iraq abandoned doing this kind of stuff because eventually they determined that it made them look like animals. isis has no concern about that. isis is happy to receive that
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kind of a label. >> i think the parents are speaking now. i believe we do have video of the parents of mr. foley, the man killed. let's listen. >> he was able to write articles that would humanize the soldiers and actually were sent back to the local papers and parents of the soldiers were so grateful because they had some news of their children. again, there was a humanizing nature. yes, there are conflicts, and will are feelings and sacrifice involved. and he felt that was worth sharing. and i couldn't agree more. >> your other son is also in the military? . >> we have four sons. the other two are in the
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military. >> and we have a navy nurse. >> but to speak to john in the air force, his little girl said to me this morning -- >> when i heard about uncle jim, my heart was broken. and that's what we feel. >> she's five. >> she's seven. i'm sorry. >> but, you know, that just expresses it. >> and her name is rori. and she said it all. >> could you talk a little bit about his decision obviously it was a very difficult time for your family when he was in captivity previously about his decision to go back and those conversations that you had? i mean he just felt this was his mission to go back there and was that hard for you all? >> absolutely. i think it made some of us made understandably. michael led the charge when he was in libya tire lgsly to
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get -- do everything he could to get him out. so there were many emotions coming out. some of the siblings were angry, how could you do this to us. we were taking it personally. and, you know, we just tried to talk to him about, jim, you have so many gifts. why are you doing this. >> we were at the point of considering fundraising/ransom. and we had -- we were making a video. it's a video of all of jimmy's experiences and all of the people -- many of the people whose lives he's touched. and that will continue no matter -- despite his death. one of the comments from one of the experts, joel simons, joel said when asked why cdid he go
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back, the answer is why do firemen go back into the blazing home. because it's their job. he felt this was his job. this was his passion. so he was not crazy. he was motivated by what he thought was doing the right thing. and it gave him energy. >> one time i remember right in our kitchen, i said, jim, you have so many gifts. you could do so many things. why go back and do this? and he said, mom, i found my passion. i found my vocation. he just -- he felt compelled. >> did you have a minute of that when he was growing up? >> very proud patterns. and we do have confirmation the killer was british. there has been some pressure
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increasing on cameron to actually get involved and they have been very reluctant to get involved in this military campaign against isis. do you think that now it will be impossible really for great britain nothad? >> it's difficult to make an argument against it. there is a tremendous amount of evidence that scores of british nationals have left the travel to syria and are fighting there and in iraq. what will they do when they go home? and the more troublesome question, whether or not to get involved in syria. because unfortunately, as we saw, jim tolly and mr. sotloff were not kidnapped in iraq, they were kidnapped in syria. and we know isis head quarters is not in iraq, it's in syria.i syria. and we know isis head quarters is not in iraq, it's in syria.wy were kidnapped in syria. and we know isis head quarters
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is not in iraq, it's in syria. so if we want to strike at these followings, doesn't that seem to being the target and do we have the political will to do that. >> the million dollar question. thank you very much. and coming up, i will talk to two stars who are joining the fight for justice. jesse williams and hip artist will be here. there's a gap out there. that's keeping you from the healthcare you deserve. at humana, we believe the gap will close when healthcare gets simpler.
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ferguson reached a turning point last night. but images like there are still leading people worldwide to support the protesters. we shared the story of p palestinians in gaza showing support. and you've been spending tweets. some foreign governments are criticizing the us over ferguson being but what took the cake was this response from egypt.
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they call if revant and respekc. and you're sending tweets like this, while social media sites like facebook are being accused of censoring ferguson coverage. days in to the disturbances, quote, again ferguson is dominating my twitter feed and is nonexistent on facebook. we reached out to facebook which issued a statement, facebook is what people make it. if you play games, you'll see more games stories. if you read news, you'll see more news. some of are you happy about that sending tweets like this, i for one am glad facebook is different from twitter. if facebook were like twitter, i'd stop using it. you can join the conversation and keep telling us what is important to you. governor rick perry turns himself in after being indicted for alleged abuse of power.
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or if light could seek out the dark? what would happen if that happens? anything. we're watching several breaking developments at this hour in the deadly shooting of michael brown in ferguson. you're look at live pictures of the memorial that has been growing. it marks the location where brown was shot. eric holder is in ferguson right now where he met with community leaders and students and he's also meeting with the f bchlbfb officials and federal prosecutors. evidence was presented to the grand jury that will consider criminal charges in the death of brown by officer wilson. robert mcculloch said if in a
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radio interview that his far get date is not until mid october. meanwhile four days before michael brown was killed by officer wilson, i don't know crawford iii was shopping inside a walmart in the dayton, ohio suburb of beaver creek when he was shot and killed by police. the father of two had picked up an mk-177 bee bee pellet rifle in the toy aisle and he had it with him as he walked around the store. another customer called 911 reportedly telling dispatchers that he saw a man walking around with a gun in the store. he said the man was pointing a black rifle at people near the pet section and that, quote, he's loading it right now. according to crawford's girlfriend who was on the phone with him at the time, police ordered crawford to drop the gun and opened fire. >> i just heard them shooting him like -- he was just telling them that it wasn't real.
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and they didn't even give him a chance to respond. they just shot. >> crawford was pronounced dead at the hospital that night. county coroner labeled his death a homicide, but more than two week later, there have still been no arrests. yesterday cause ford's family along with a lawyer met with ohio attorney again mike dewine where they were able to view some of the surveillance video from inside the wall hamart for first time. and the attorney general announced he will convene a special grapd jury on september 3 to determine whether a crime was committed. joining me now john crawford jr., the father of john crawford iii, along with michael wright, the attorney representing the family. and first of all, mr. crawford, i'm sorry for your loss. i think we should absolutely start with that. and i want to ask you, after meeting with the attorney general, do you have a sense that your family is at least on the road to receiving what you believe would be justice?
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>> yes, i do. >> and what did -- if you can tell us a bit about what you discussed with mr. dewine in that meeting, mr. crawford. >> basically we spoke about what transpired on the videotape, what we saw. and he gave me some assurance that he would prosecute, that we would bring these gentlemen to justice. >> and michael, in looking at this situation, when you got a chance to finally see some of the surveillance video and it's something that had not been released to the family are yourself before, did it change your mind about what you going in believed happened inside that store? >> absolutely not. it just confirmed what we already believed to be the facts of this situation. >> and just from what you were
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able to see, and i don't know how much of it you were able to see, was john crawford iii walking around seeming to menace anyone with the bee bee gun? >> absolutely not. with respect to the ohio attorney general's office, we indicated we would not disclose the specific things on the video. but i will tell pyou mr. crawfod was coming nothing wrong when he was shot and killed, he was not menacing, he was standing in one location for a significant period of time prior to being shot down by these police officers. >> and how many 911 calls were made? because presumably more than one person saw him inside that walmart. how many people called police when they saw him? >> actually it's our understanding that there were five 911 calls. however, only one 911 call prior
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to mr. crawford being shot and killed. >> i want to play a little bit of the mother of the two children she shared with john crawford iii. let's listen to what she had to say about what her perception about what police did. >> so recklessly and they could have went about it a better way. but just even tasing him or anything, not just shooting him. >> and mr. crawford, how you is your family coping with this situation? obviously your situation has not the received the national attention that the more recent shooting of michael brown has. but whenever i tell thin about it or any people that are talking about it on social media that i've seen, they are really shocked by it. how is your family coping with all of this? >>. >> it's difficult.
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anytime you ever a situation such as this, michael brown, my kid's case. there are no words to express to you what my family is trying to endure. i'm just thankful that i have a lot of family, and that i have good people in my family. and, you know, that's all we can do is to continue to move forward, pray, push forward, apply pressure where it's needs and vindicate my son. >> did you feel that police were forthcoming with you? did they give you lots of information you can were they in contact with you? >> not at all. in fact i hadn't heard from anyone. not at all. the police, no one with the extension of the initial interview in beaver creek with one of the deputies there at the hospital in dayton, i've not spoken with anyone.
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>> and last question to you, mr. wright. what is the status of the officers involved in the shoot something. >> it's my understanding they're currently on paid administrative leave. >> we hope you will keep us updated. thank you both for being here. >> thank you. and by the way, i did speak with a walmart spokesman yesterday who offered this statement. we are deeply saddened about the loss of life and our thoughts and prayers are with the family and loved ones of every involved. we will continue to assist law enforcement in their ongoing investigation. we did also reach out to the beaver creek police department's attorney for comments, but we have not heard back. coming up, two high profile stars and activists using their celebrity to fight for justice for michael brown. people all over the world know us, but they don't yet know we're a family. we're right where you need us. at the next job, next adventure or at the next exit, helping you explore super destinations.
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has submitted a request for up to 300 additional u.s. service members to beef up security at the u.s. embassy in baghdad and at u.s. facilities at the baghdad airport. the request is under consideration by the pentagon and no decisions have been made. turning back now to ferguson, missouri. and the events of the past 11 days have really grabbed our attention. not just the dramatic pipctures and video, but also through social media. joining me now, a hip hop artist and activist in ferguson and jesse williams a board member of the advancement project. we've been hearing about the dra hat tick events and what you gelt with with police last night. and we had been hearing things calmed down, but they weren't so calm for you last night. you can tell us what happened? >> no, they were not. if last night was the calmest night or if that was the police being calm, i would hate to be here when the police are not calm. me personally, i was told that i was going to have my head blown
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off. i had guns pointed in my face. i was put on the ground. i was with friends of mine also activists. we were with a bunch of young people. i want to stress that there was no looting. there was women and children out there protesting peacefully. and we were out there and police acted aggressively. they were antagonizing,age dating the crowd, being disrespectable with the things they were saying to the people.g the crowd, being disrespectable with the things they were saying to the people. and they put up their riot stuff. and all of that happened before someone threw a water bottle. somebody threw a water bottle from somewhere, it was a bowling bottle of waerter, and after th, police ran us down, literally tack lick people in the street. bottle of water, and after that, police ran us down, literally tack lick people in the street. by the grace god, there was a black cop who was like you need to let these people go.
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and they let some of us go and we ran out of there. and i was blessed. but the people who drove us down there, they was arrested. >> and jesse, when you hear a story like that, one of the things that you think about is not so much just what happens when people are engaged in actity vic activism, but the day to day interactions that black men in particular have with police that is escalated by a situation like what is going on in ferguson. >> the police are really flon demonstrating what the heart of the matter is. it is a gross overreaction to an exage rate sometimes imagined black threat. the big black wild satisfy vamg needs to be corralled. civilized versus savage kind of fake nonsense. this reaction is grossly unnecessary. while people play dress up and play war games in the street with civilians.
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what are the police doing there is my question. you're not protecting the people and you're not protecting property. so why are you there. and then a larger question is, is it okay to break the law or not? because the cops are breaking the law left and right. it's state law, state regulation to wear a badge and have a name tag visible. we have a right to freedom of the press. we have a right to assemble. they blocked out the press. they're firing tear gas into people's homes, at people on their private property. so is it okay to use violence to get what you want or not. because a cop blew the head off of michael brown six times, but michael brown's the vsavage because he pushed a guy in thes? you don't open us. back in the day, we could have separate rights, but that noise is dead now. >> and on that specific question that jesse got to, the question
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of the badge, we have seen a lot of people talking about this and you're down there in ferguson. have you seen that the police officers that are dealing with you, that you're seeing on the streets, are they wearing badges? >> you know what, i wasn't personally looking to see whether or not cops had badges. but on a videotape of the event that i saw, that i retweeted, i definitely saw there were plenty of cops who didn't have badges on. but jesse who has been doing a great job raises a good point. the reason i'm even down here is because the story -- the narrative has been shifting away from the problem. the problem is not the legitimate rage or a small group of looters. the problem is not even as big of the problem is like the story is the not the reaction of the police to the reaction of the people to the action of this cop that murdered this unarmed man. this cop has still not been arrested. eric gardner's murder has still not been arrested. john crawford's murder has still
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not been arrested. when cliffen b ebundy and his c pointed guns at the police, the police backed down. here they are brutalizing this community. >> jesse, you've been a schoolteacher. how do you explain what is going on in ferguson? give us some idea of how you would even try to unpack and explain this particularly to young boys who are black and latino. >> i think part of it that really is the question. part of it is where we're getting -- it's the source of our information. like it is very easy to get caught down a slippery slope because if we're using the police as our news source, if we give them a little bad feeder every night to get up on a pulpit and give us their version of events, police should have nothing to do with our news source. an overtly white racist police force over a black community
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that searches -- 92% of searches are black folks and more white folks that they pull over have contra bad than black folks. take complaint that conditions be our news source. so it's really about where we're sourcing our news and tieing it into history. learning from history. history is told by the victors as we know. the native americans were savages even though you're slaughtering they will. we need to retell stories as they actually happen without injecting popinion and politica gain into it. no easy task. >> not at all. i appreciate both of you being here. and tell me what are the plans tonight, will there be more marches? what do you anticipate seati ttn the street there in ferguson? >> last night i ran into when we was escaping for our lives basically, i'm like yo, don't go
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that way, you need to come this was with us. and he said i live on this street. i have no other place i can go. so it's the lack of respect for life that is happening here. this young man was unarmed, he had no criminal record, his life was taken. i've seen people call him a thug, try to justify the lack of compassion. that's what is burning me up about this thing. we have people in this country who are actually looking for excuses to not care about the fact that this young man's rights was taken. he had no due process. and basically we as young black people, men, women and children, are told that our lives mean nothing. and it fits nicely in to the narrative of this country since slavery and beyond. >> certainly we'll be watch win what is going on in ferguson. you've both become a strong voice. thanks for being here. and of course there are a lot of offices out there trying to do the right thing, so we obviously
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have to make that point, as well. rs out there trying to do the right thing, so we obviously have to make that point, as well.
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there's a gap out there. that's keeping you from the healthcare you deserve. at humana, we believe the gap will close when healthcare gets simpler. when frustration and paperwork decrease. when grandparents get to live at home instead of in a home. so let's do it. let's simplify healthcare. let's close the gap between people and care.
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that does wrap things up. i will see you back here tomorrow at 2:00 p.m.. be sure to visit us online. the cycle is up next. what do you have going on today? >> hi, joy. we will be talking about the aftermath of the beheading of james foley and the new request from the state department that may lead to us sending about 300 more american troops in to baghdad and focusing on ferguson, eric holder on the ground there, what the federal government can do and what is going wrong with local management. >> absolutely. very important topic.
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straight ahead in the cycle, the shooting of michael brown. hot temperatures and hot temperatures. the mercury tops 100 as cops try to cool the mood. >> can eric holder help? he's now on the ground in ferguson promising the full resources of the federal government to investigate how an unarmed teen was shot to death. what does holder hope to accomplish and more importantly, what can he accomplish? >> and the grand skrjury con f s convenience. but what they can't decide is any decision they make will calm the protests.but what they can' any decision they make will calm the protests. >> and that's where we begin. night ten brought 47 arrests, still a high number. mostly for failure to disperse. no molotov cocktails, no bullets and no tear gas fired by the cops. today a number of the protests
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took to the county courthouse where the grand jury is meeting. our team was in place as several dozen gathered out front. police formed a line to prevent them from going inside. gabe guttierez was there. >> reporter: within the past few minutes, however, tensions flared just a bit. there was a supporter of officer wilson that showed up saying that there has been a rush to judgment in this case. tensions flared as the protesters for the family of michael brown tried to shout over her. somebody escorted her away to deescalate the situation and now it is once again peaceful. >> one of those protester, a religious leader from the area, called the criminal justice system in america as racist as it was 50 years ago. sentiments like that remain strong in this tinderbox middle america. craig melvin has been doing in-creditable reporting from the ground. what is happening there today? >> reporter: josh, good to see you.