happy to take the meeting. >> you're not the only one. >> happy to take the meeting. >> wes? >> what did you learn? >> i learned that tonight we have one more shot of watching mo'ne davis. we wish her the best. >> let's hope so. what did you learn, mika? >> i learned what you learned about reagan and sex and all that. so if it's way too early, what time is it? >> it's time for "morning joe." i encourage you to take the narcissism quiz and see if you did as well as i did. stick around, though. right now it's time for "the daily rundown." >> craig melvin. tonight was a very good night in ferguson. >> no justice, no peace. >> crowds were smaller, they were calm and honorable. last night through 2:00 a.m., the number of arrests were 47. tonight the number was six. >> who did they kill?

michael brown. who did they kill? michael brown. >> there were no molotov cocktails tonight, no fires, no shootings. we did not see a single handgun. there were no confrontations. >> who do you serve? who do you protect? >> i know in the end, this is going to make us better, it is going to bring us peace and it's going to make us better men and women and make our kids better, it's going to make our nation better and i look forward to that. for the second straight night, relative calm, relative quiet here in ferguson, missouri. good morning to you. it is thursday, august 21st, 2014. this is "the daily rundown." i'm craig melvin in for chuck todd. a smaller crowd marched past a dwindling police presence on the 12th night of protests since a police officer shot and killed unarmed teenager michael brown

nearly two weeks ago now. live pictures here at the justice department. attorney general eric holder spent wednesday here in ferguson using his personal story to reassure residents that the justice department is serious about a federal investigation into the shooting. any moment now holder is expected to announce a major settlement against bank of america, but he's also likely to take some questions about that visit to missouri yesterday. if he does that, we will of course bring it to you live here on msnbc. justice department officials are considering whether to open a broader pattern and practice. that's what it's called, a pattern and practice, civil rights investigation, of the ferguson police department. >> i need to be here, you know. i was a little disturbed to see certain people questioning why i was here. my answer to that would be why would i be any place other than right here and right now. >> meeting with community

members and students, holder said that he related to this community's skepticism of police saying in part, quote, i understand that mistrust. i am the attorney general of the united states, but i'm also a black man. i can remember being stopped on the new jersey turnpike on two occasions and accused of speeding, pulled over, let me search your car. >> he told the story how he was humiliated that they searched his car. we told him some people were targeted. we told him that we felt not only race were targeted, we felt people with low income were targeted. >> the attorney general also met with michael brown's parents pledging a fair and independent inquiry into their son's death. he was also briefed by fbi officials and federal prosecutors on the federal investigation. >> our investigation is different from that which the state is doing. we are looking for violations of federal criminal civil rights statutes. that hopefully will have a calming influence on the area,

if people know that a federal, thorough investigation is being done. >> holder's visit wednesday came as the ferguson police department was hit with two new federal lawsuits over the wrongful death of a man named jason moore. moore was tasered by police in ferguson in 2011, according to court documents. moore's sister was among those who met with holder yesterday. >> a future for ferguson right now is just blurry. so we just need some answers to questions and changes. we need some inspiration. by him being here now, that's given us inspiration. we won't no longer be profiled. >> meanwhile another ferguson police officer suspended indefinitely after pointing an assault rifle at a protester's face and screaming threats tuesday night. another officer stepped in to help diffuse the situation and walked that officer away from the crowd. here with me now, huffington

post ryan reilly and carrie johnson also standing by in d.c. good to have both of you with us. ryan, i know you traveled yesterday with attorney general holder. how was he received? what's the community expecting from him? >> he was really well received. i think people really appreciated him being out here and hearing their stories. i think one interesting moment was when we had a woman at the restaurant essentially come up to the attorney general and say that the nation was sort of afraid to have a conversation about race and some of the issues here. what's interesting, of course, is that holder sort of famously got in a lot of trouble early in 2009, early in the obama presidency, for calling the country a nation of cowards on the issue of race. i think she was sort of making the same point that he was. >> he was seen yesterday to be speaking from a deep low personal place. >> certainly. this is something he's spoken about before. criminal justice reform has been something that he's made a priority, especially since last august. so this is something that i think is very important to him and something that he's focusing

on going forward. >> carrie, what's next in the federal investigation? what's the next step? >> so fbi investigators and civil rights prosecutors have interviewed over 200 witnesses so far, craig. my sense is this is going to take a long while. in order to build a criminal case, if indeed there is one against officer darren wilson, they're going to have to find evidence that he intended, specifically intended to violate the civil rights of michael brown. they're going to have to not just talk to eyewitnesses, but also try to build a record of what was in this officer's mind in the moments before the shooting. also worth noting, craig, that they are -- they are contemplating whether to open a broader civil investigation into policing tactics and crowd control in ferguson and the areas beyond it. my sense is that is likely to happen. it could be a little while before it's publicly announced, however. >> you know, we heard that yesterday, the talk of the broader look at the police

department here in ferguson on a federal level. what might that investigation look like as well, carrie, and how far back could they go? >> they could go quite a long while because what's at issue in those cases is building a record, looking into past incidents between the community and police, trying to figure out whether there's something about police tactics that has gone badly wrong. ultimately, craig, generally ends with a lengthy series of public findings against the police, something the justice department will try to get on the record and try to change moving forward with civil rights groups, community leaders, and of course law enforcement in that city and in st. louis itself. >> i want to talk about this other shocking piece of video that surfaced yesterday. a police officer, we should note that this police officer is actually not a police officer here in ferguson, it's a police officer from a neighboring jurisdiction who was on patrol, caught on camera pointing a

semiautomatic rifle at a protester and threatening to kill that protester using some language that we can't use here in the day on the cable television. ryan, i understand that you actually interviewed a cameraman who was threatened by that police officer, is that right? >> yeah. and i saw the exchange myself. >> you saw it? >> i did. i saw the initial exchange and followed the officer and tried to record him additionally, at which point i was told to get that f'ing camera out of his face as the other officer was walking away. so it was a very tense exchange and obviously it's a good thing that he's now been sort of taken off the streets. >> suspended indefinitely. ryan, thank you so much. carrie in d.c., thanks to you as well. do appreciate your time. i want to turn to missouri democratic congressman emmanuel cleaver. he met with attorney general holder yesterday during his visit. congressman, it's always good to see you. >> good to be with you. >> what was the attorney general's message to you yesterday? >> well, the attorney general

met with the governor, senators blunt and mccass kkacaskill and congressman for ferguson, lacy clay and myself. and what he did was explained to us what the justice department will be looking for and their role in this entire investigation. he and the governor talked about issues i'm not sure i'll lay them out on television, but i think it was a very good meeting and it reassured -- >> congressman, lay out some of it, if you can, because i think that's very interesting. a lot of folks watching and listening would be very interested in that. >> i think that the attorney general wanted to make sure that we knew what the justice department was doing, and that is they are running a parallel investigation. there are a lot of people on the ground.

there are some components of that meeting which i absolutely cannot go into. but i think that he gave us -- and i can share, as i think others will, the method by which they are going to conduct the investigation. and it really provided comfort for all of us because i knew from the very beginning that if the attorney general came to ferguson, that just his presence would, i think, give people the sense that, hey, it's going to be okay. things have changed. ferguson is a city that has grown old but it has not grown up. and it came across to the attorney general that there were problems there. and i don't think that's any kind of news break, but he did acknowledge that he heard a lot of things from a lot of people, some of them troubled him. >> earlier this week you said

that ferguson with the military-style weapons that we've seen on the streets, earlier this week you said that it looks a lot like fallujah. your meeting with secretary of defense chuck hagel, i understand, today about the pentagon's 1033 program which transfers dod weapons to state and local police departments. what's going to be your message to the defense secretary about that program? >> well, first of all, i think secretary hagel should be aware of the fact that this is not a partisan issue, that republicans, democrats, independents, people from all stripes across the country became alarmed at the military-style response given by the ferguson police department, a city of 21,000 people. and it looked like fallujah, not ferguson. it looked like what would go on

in tiananmen square in beijing. i think people looked at that around the country and said this won't work. we don't want this in the united states of america. rand paul i think really hit the nail on the head and talked about how it created the picture that we were an occupied land. so we want the secretary to re-evaluate this program. not discontinue it, but there have got to be parameters. and i don't think either isis or al qaeda are planning some kind of attack on the mcdonald's in ferguson. >> really quickly here, congressman. as you probably know, last night the crowd considerably smaller and six arrests versus 70 monday into tuesday. are you concerned at all the fact that the protests are considerably smaller than they have been, that that might be

some sort of indication that interest in this community, interest in this city has already started to wane? >> no. i think one of the things that i'm thrilled about, and i think others are pleased to see and that is some of the bad guys are going home. the people of ferguson are still concerned. they realize that until their leaders, you know, face their sins, they will not be able to get them behind them. so i think you're going to see now the real work done in reconciliation and rebuilding a community. the bad folk, many of them are leaving. people have been coming there from all over the world to wreak havoc and come out of the darkness at night to do devilish things, which they did. so i don't think -- i mean i'll be back in ferguson next week dealing with -- meeting with a group of ministers to deal with problem. they're not going to go away. >> congressman emanuel cleaver, always appreciate your

perspective, sir, thank you. >> sure. good to be with you. >> and again, some live pictures right now of attorney general eric holder. again, he is set to speak to reporters about a major settlement against bank of america, but we are also expecting that he will take a few questions about the situation here in ferguson. if he does that, we will, of course, bring it to you live here on msnbc. we'll be right back. there's a gap out there. that's keeping you from the healthcare you deserve. at humana, we believe the gap will close

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police come through and then they would either harass you or if you were driving, they'd pull you over and give some bogus reason. it's the same thing. it's county, it's the local pds. it's wild. and there's no -- there's no -- there's no one checking them. you know, there's no accountability. >> the accountability factor is

just gone. where's the backup, where's your humanity outside of your own and outside of your own people. you know, where are you serving and protecting this community. >> that was wes suber and jordan martin talking about the constant tension that they feel between themselves and the police here in ferguson. the question, of course, is how much of that type of tension contributed to an officer shooting and killing michael brown saturday before last. i want to bring in anthony gray, an attorney for michael brown's family. it's good to see you. >> good to see you. >> i know you spent some time walking the main drag as well last night here in ferguson. >> yes. >> i've seen you the past few nights. last night's crowd considerably smaller, a lot quieter than what we've seen. to what do you attribute that? >> the size of the crowd i just attribute to individuals having perhaps other things to do in addition to showing their support for the family. so the size would be attributed to that. the style of policing that took

place yesterday was much, much different than what you've seen in the past. i think the approach that law enforcement is taking right now is very appropriate for the situation. >> how was it different last night compared to what you've seen in nights past? >> the only way i can describe it is in nights past you almost had like a berlin wall situation where the police were lined up on one side and you had supporters on the other side and it was almost like a face-off. now you see them intermingled and interspersed in the crowd, almost like a patrolling and protecting and serving type of mode. >> so the crowd was calmer because the police were calmer? >> certainly attribute it to the style of policing that they are experiencing right now, yes, sir. >> and again, for our audience watching and listening while we have this conversation here, we continue to wait for attorney general aceric holder, if he tas about the ongoing investigation here in ferguson, we will bring that to you live. 12 days now, it's been 12 days

since michael brown was shot and killed. what do you think happened? what does the family think happened that day? >> well, i can just put it like this. at the end of the event, there are some things, some steps that happened at the very end that the family concludes that amounts to an execution of their child. the beginning parts apparently there are different accounts of what took place and how that transpired, but they think at the end of the day when officer wilson fired those fatal shots at their child, that he did so in a way that was reckless and murderous. >> can you elaboratetll, you kn the dome of the head, the shot to the face, there has been no version of events that would account for that. and because of the absence of any explanation for that, they believe that those fatal shots are the ones that should land him in a position that he's in right now. >> what did the attorney general say to the browns yesterday?

>> that information is confidential. it was a private conversation. i wasn't privy to the conversation. so i'm not able to speak on that. >> have you been surprised at all by the reaction to what's happened here? have you been taken aback at all by the reaction? not just in this country, but around the world, the reaction to the shooting and killing of michael brown? >> no, i have not. it's almost as though this was a situation that i won't say well overdue, but when you have this type of situation on the heels of multiple other incidents, you've got to know, common sense will tell you if you have a situation that's this serious that you're going to have the kind of reaction that you're having. so i'm in no way surprised by the reaction that you're seeing from individuals in the street. >> all right, thank you for your time. appreciate it, as always. >> thank you. i want to bring in matt miller. matt miller is a former

spokesman for attorney general eric holder. matt, thank you so much for being with me again. we are awaiting the attorney general as well if he talks about the ongoing investigation in ferguson, we'll have to cut you off for your former boss. >> i'm used to it. >> the attorney general spoke yesterday very personally, matt, about this case. he talked very personally about his own experiences as a black man in america with police. what importance do you think this case has for him personally and for his legacy as well? >> you know, it has tremendous importance for him personally. i think you take everything in his life leading up to now, the experience he talked about yesterday as a young black man both as a teenager and then being profiled even when he was a prosecutor in washington, you take his work as a judge, as a local prosecutor here in d.c. when the crack was ravaging the streets and it was the murder capital of the world, and his work as attorney general where he's reinvigorated the civil rights division so it actually

can investigate cases like this and potentially bring prosecutions, you know, there's a combination of his career as a law enforcement and what he brings as an individual and i think you saw that on display yesterday where he is -- he is able almost uniquely to assure people that the federal government will conduct a fair, thorough investigation here. if there are charges to be brought, they'll bring them. >> he has been more aggressive, and folks on the left and the right concede that he's been a lot more aggressive than his predecessors when it comes to federal oversight of police practices especially. do you expect that the justice department is going to open a broader investigation into the ferguson police department here? >> i think it's very likely. you know, when you look at the hiring practices that have led to only two or three african-american officers on the force, when you look at their use of force in the past, the lawsuits that have been filed, i think it's -- i think it's pretty likely that you'll see a

broad pattern and practices investigation open. maybe not in the coming days. it may be after the situation has died out, but in the coming weeks i think you'll see one, yeah. >> matt miller, former doj official, former spokesman for attorney general holder, matt, thank you. >> thank you. the very first patient treated for ebola here in the united states will soon be walking out of an atlanta hospital. new details on that straight ahead. also former governor, former virginia governor bob mcdonnell taking the stand in his corruption trial with some harsh testimony about his own wife. that's next, right here on "the daily rundown." okay ladies, whenever you're ready. i got this. no, i'll get it! let me get it. ah uh, i don't want you to pay for this. it's not happening, honey. let her get it. she got her safe driving bonus check from allstate last week. and it's her treat. what about a tip? here's one...get an allstate agent. nice! switch today and get two safe driving bonus checks

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the very first patient ever treated for the ebola virus on u.s. soil will soon be discharged from the atlanta hospital, treating him since early august. dr. kent brantly and nancy

writebol contracted the deadly disease in the western african nation of liberia. both were administered a trial drug called zmapp before they were flown back to the u.s. for treatment in an isolation unit at emory university hospital. a statement from samaritans purse confirms brantly's status saying, quote, we celebrate dr. kent brantly's recovery from ebola and release from the hospital. emory will talk about the discharge of both patients from the hospital and also be answering some media questions at 11:00 eastern, we understand. we will also learn more about nancy writebol's condition. dr. brantly, though, is expected to speak at that presser. he's also expected to walk out of emory hospital sometime today. we'll have that news conference for you live right here on msnbc. turning now to some big news out of virginia, where former virginia governor bob mcdonnell has taken the stand again today to testify in his own corruption trial. mcdonnell and his wife, maureen, are facing a 14-count indictment accused of accepting more than

$165,000 in gifts from the former ceo of a dietary supplement company in exchange for special treatment. the couple's defense is focused on their relationship, arguing that their marriage was in shambles and they never colluded in any conspiracy. on the stand yesterday mcdonnell defended himself saying, quote, my administration did nothing for them other than give them access to government. mcdonnell also will touch on his relationship with his wife, recalling the morning after he was elected governor of the commonwealth back in 2009. quote, she was yelling at me about something. it clearly exhibited some stress of what lay ahead for her in her new role as first lady. mcdonnell is going to be continuing to testify this morning as he is expected to face more questions about his marriage. coming up, a calmer night for protesters here in ferguson, but a new battle erupts over the grand jury investigation. should governor jay nixon appoint a special prosecutor and

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this case in greater detail since it remains open and very active, the people of ferguson can have confidence in the federal agents, investigators and prosecutors who are leading this process. our investigation will be fair. it will be thorough. and it will be independent. on a personal note, i've seen a lot in my time as attorney general but few things as affected me as greatly as my visit to ferguson. i had the chance to meet with the family of michael brown. i spoke to them not just as attorney general, but as a father of a teenaged son myself. they, like so many in ferguson, want answers. in my conversations with dozens of people in ferguson yesterday, it was clear that this shooting incident has brought to the surface underlying tensions that have existed for many years.

there is a history to these tensions, and that history simmers in more communities than just ferguson. law enforcement has a role to play in reducing tensions as well. as brother of a retired law enforcement officer i know firsthand that our men and women in uniform perform their duties in the face of tremendous threats and significant personal risk. they put their lives on the line every day and they often have to make split-second decisions. the national outcry we have seen speaks to a sense of mistrust and mutual suspicion that can take hold in the relationship between law enforcement and certain communities. i want the people of ferguson to know that i personally understood that mistrust. i wanted them to know that while so much else may be uncertain, this attorney general and this department of justice stands with the people of ferguson. i hope the relative calm that we witnessed overnight last night can be enduring. to a person yesterday, the

people i met with take great pride in their town, and despite the mistrust that exists, they reject the violence that we have seen over the past couple of weeks. in that sense while i went to ferguson to provide reassurance, in fact they gave me hope. my commitment to them is that long after this tragic story no longer receives this level of attention, the justice department will continue to stand with ferguson. we will continue the conversation this incident has sparked about the need for trust building between law enforcement officers and the communities they serve, about the appropriate use of force, and the need to ensure fair and equal treatment for everyone who comes into contact with the police. thank you. i'll take your questions now. >> all right. there you have attorney general eric holder talking about that visit yesterday to ferguson, missouri.

the attorney general saying that the visit was one of the things that has affected him most since he has been attorney general, saying that his meeting yesterday with the brown family, with the parents of michael brown, he spoke to them not just in his capacity as a.g., but as a young -- as a black man in america, as a parent as well. i want to bring in zachary roth, national reporter for msnbc.com, also carol linnick as well with "the washington post." we'll get to some of the grand jury stuff in just a minute and the tension between mcculloch and governor jay nixon. you were here yesterday, i spent some time with you when attorney general eric holder was on the ground. him being here yesterday, what did just the presence mean for the people of ferguson do you think? >> i think it was a huge deal. i mean he was able to do two things, i think. assure people that this is an investigation that is not just being left in the hands of the county prosecutor, who as we know much of the black community doesn't have a lot of trust in. and then second of all, he was

able to speak, as he said, as a black man, as somebody who understood some of the experiences that people here have had with the police of being a black man in america essentially and bring that sense of calm and of healing that we need. i think you saw the impact of that last night where we had a much calmer, much less violent evening for the first time in a few nights. >> right now attorney general eric holder taking some questions. he's taking some questions about that bank of america settlement. should he start taking some questions about ferguson, we'll go back. carol, nuts and bolts of this grand jury investigation. what do we know about how it's going to work and what do we know about how grand juries in this area have worked in the past when it comes to cases like this? >> so in st. louis county, in clayton, which is overwhelmingly white county, by the way, 12 members of a grand jury will meet in secret and they began doing that on wednesday to weigh the evidence, every piece of evidence, to determine should officer darren wilson be charged

with a crime in the shooting of an unarmed 18-year-old kid in ferguson. that grand jury, we won't know their deliberations or their discussions, but it's absolutely true what zack said, that the community here has very little faith in whether or not state prosecuting attorney bob mcculloch is the right person to make the case. >> mcculloch's father, mother, brother, you know what, let's listen to the ferguson question. i think we've got a question here. >> how much patience do you think the community can and should have? >> well, i was actually heartened by the response that i got out there yesterday when i talked about doing a thorough and fair investigation. a fair process. i think that seemed to satisfy a great number of people. it will take time for us to develop all of the facts, develop all of the evidence and see where the case will ultimately go. and as i shared that, i think people were concerned that there was not going to be the kind of

investigation that i have promised and that in fact will occur. we have been working, i think, very diligently out there. i got a briefing from the fbi agents and the prosecutors who are involved in this case, and i think significant progress has been made. but it will take some time. but i think patience is in abundance in ferguson. it doesn't mean that this thing should drag on. we will try to do this as expeditiously as we can. on the other hand, at the end of the day it's most important that we get it right, and that means that thoroughness, completeness is what we will emphasize. >> each of these settlements comes with an assurance that they do not preclude future criminal charges -- >> that was attorney general eric holder taking a question about the situation here in ferguson. that question was about patience, the amount of patience that exists in this community. i want to go back to something

you were just saying about bob mcculloch, the prosecutor in this case. his father, mother, brother, uncle, cousin, all work for the st. louis police department. does he have a personal history with county police that could compromise this case? >> the county police connection is integral to his job. he relies on police officers to make his cases. but what people here have told me over and over again is the reason for their distrust is the way he charges african-american people and the way in which he's handling this in their view differently. some people have said he has probable cause to charge the officer with a crime. he doesn't have to go to a grand jury. the fact that he's gone to a grand jury to present the evidence indicates, doesn't confirm, but indicates that he thinks it's a close call, that it could be that it was justified. >> let's listen in again. apparently there's another question being asked about what's happening here in ferguson. let's listen once again to attorney general holder. >> you spoke to the victim's

sister yesterday. you've been very forward leaning on the issue of pattern and practice investigations. is that something that can be done and where are you on that? >> there's nothing i want to announce at this time with regard to that possibility, but there are a number of tools that the justice department has with regard examining police misconduct cases. >> are you aware of those past -- have you looked into those past incidences? >> i'll just say at this point that we are keeping all of our options open. >> mr. attorney general, what was the greatest thing you learned yesterday visiting with the families and seeing the site? what did that give you personally that could bring to this case? >> a real desire, i think, on the part of the people of ferguson to be treated fairly and to have a good relationship with people in law enforcement. a desire to be seen as equals. a real desire to have healing.

there is a real fracture out there now. i think people are really trying to work their way through. as i indicated to them, i think this is -- out of this tragedy comes a great opportunity for reforming that community, but i think that's something that we can do nationwide. that has engendered a conversation that i think we ought to have, but we can't stop at that conversation. it's time to take concrete steps to make real the promise that i think now exists. and the justice department is hopefully going to be a leader in that effort, but citizens and state and local officials have to be a part of that effort as well. >> do you have any concerns that the local prosecutors will be impartial in their ability to do so is a concern to a justice department? >> as i said, our investigation is independent. it's going to be thorough, it's going to be fair. we have worked with the county

prosecutor in developing evidence rand sharing -- done some interviews together, but i'm really confident that at the end of the day the investigation that we're going to be doing will be thorough and be fair. >> did you see any concerns personally when you were there that immediately struck you that you would have some concerns about? >> not as yet, no. >> mr. attorney general, i'd like to ask you about the murder of journalist james foley. i was interested in what role the justice department plays -- >> all right. attorney general eric holder there again talking about the situation here in ferguson. notice there that he did not say that he had full faith and confidence in local prosecutors. let's listen back, though. he's talking now about the death of journalist james foley. >> mr. foley's release and the rescue efforts. >> well, first, let me just say that we are as appalled -- i am as appalled by the brutal murder

of jim foley as i think all the rest of us are. it was heartbreaking to see his parents yesterday, who showed a composure that from my perspective was almost incomprehensible. and my hearts go out to them. the justice department is actively pursuing justice in this case. we have an open criminal investigation. and those who would perpetrate such acts need to understand something. this justice department, this department of defense, this nation, we have long memories and our reach is very wide. we will not forget what happened and people will be held accountable. one way or the other. i also want to take note of the fact that jim was a journalist. he made tough choices to do the kinds of things that make our society great, information,

information gathering, sharing with us, giving us a view of the world in very dangerous circumstances. and i think that in part that's what led to his death. he was a journalist, and he was a symbol of what's right about the united states. but as i said, the matter is an open investigation and one that we will be pursuing very vigorously. >> was the justice department familiar with the efforts to free him through negotiations? >> i don't want to really comment on what i would consider a national security matter. >> did you watch the video and what was your reaction, if you did? >> i don't want to comment on that. >> all right, thank you, everybody. >> thank you. >> attorney general eric holder wrapping up what turned out to be somewhat of a wide-ranging news conference talking initially about the record settlement with bank of america and then spending some time talking about the situation here in ferguson and then turning to that tragic beheading of

journalist james foley. thanks for sticking around with me, zack and carol. let's go back to what we were talking about with regards to the situation on the ground here in ferguson. we heard there attorney general eric holder did not go out of his way to endorse the county prosecutor here, bob mcculloch. we continue to talk about the possibility that there may be a wider ranging investigation into patterns and practices, a federal investigation. what do we know about patterns and practices here in st. louis county with regards to the police department? >> it's not a very flattering picture when it comes to race relations between police and the citizenry, especially in this segregated section of the north county. in these predominantly black communities, white police forces have been accused of racial profiling to the point that the county executive earlier this year asked for an external investigation of racial profiling protocols that appeared to be in action on the street among county police.

remember that this community is going through the growing pains that many other communities around the country went through about 20 years ago. it's an overwhelmingly white police force, city council, mayor and overwhelmingly black community where there's been a lot of white flight and that really infuriates the members of the community who keep getting pulled over. >> zack, so far we've heard nothing from officer darren wilson. legally, how will he be represented? and do we have reason to think that he is going to at some point tell his side of the story for himself? >> he's being represented by a lawyer from the friends of police, the association that represents police officers who hasn't said too much about the case. but, yes, the prosecutor's office has said he will have a chance to testify to the grand jury. we don't know when that's going to happen. but he will have a chance to do that and he'll have a full and fair trial. they're proceeding in a pretty deliberate way, it seems like.

>> do we think that makes things better or makes things worse here in ferguson? >> i've heard some people in the courthouse say that the best witness in this grand jury will be the officer, because, you know, citizens generally want to believe the police are doing their job properly. and if you have a grand jury that's going to be 80% white, which is what the county is, they will tend to want to believe that officer and he will be a very strong witness if he has a compelling story to tell of fear. >> carol, zack, thank you both. thanks for sticking around. we will be back with much, much more live from ferguson right after this. you make a great team.

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>> people ask, well, what can be done? use cameras, use google glass, i don't care what it is. i think those are important ways that we can move forward.

>> that was a protester talking about how he needs to participate in the system to help ease the tension between police and residents in his own neighborhood here in ferguson, st. louis, missouri. i'm joined by one of the state representatives, courtney curtis. first of all what you heard from one of these constituents who lives in the area. >> i mean it's a situation that you know, we're trying to deal with, and you know, it's coming to a close with the attorney general visiting yesterday, i think things are trying to calm down, they look a lot calmer, more than they had been for the past week and a half. >> voting in this area, especially among people who look like me and you, how would you characterize it? >> it's typically not a lot of participation, specifically in the primaries, and the general municipal election, but we always have higher voter turn out for the actual general

election. >> is there reason to believe that what's happened here might change that? >> yes. there's organizations that are meeting and mobilizing right now to do a big voter registration drive to change the mayor and to change north county in general. it's a bad situation, but i think than will the positive that will come out of it, people will get more involved in their election system. >> you've been talking about something during the past few days and weeks that a lot of folks have been talking about as well. police in ferguson wearing body cameras. is there legislation pending to make that happen? are those conversations that you had with law enforcement, talk to me a little bit about that. >> absolutely, we're actually looking at some things that the city, county and the state -- and at the state level in order to make sure that we do have that going forward. there hadn't been previously that i could tell.

we'll definitely be looking into that because that could only help the situation in terms of providing the information that no one has. >> do we know how much it would cost to outfit each officer in ferguson for the body cams? >> the in dash cams are about $3,600 to $4,600 apiece. i know ferguson has two right now, they're looking to outfit those that patrol on a daily basis. >> what's been the reception from law enforcement? have they been receptive to that idea? >> they think it could be a catch catch-22 that anyone -- i don't think anybody wants to be caught in a situation where they're penalized or they're slow to act

because of it. >> how deep is the distrust between people who live in ferguson and the people who are charged with protecting the people of ferguson? >> it's pretty deep. as i said, two weeks ago, i was actually -- i was pulled over for a taillight that was supposedly out and they came back and said that the taillight was on. but if it's this close to the area and it's this close to ferguson, that's the treatment i get, i can only imagine the distrust between the people and the police here could only be the same. >> state rep courtney curtis. thank you so much. stand by, i want to play something that the attorney general said just a moment ago, this is attorney general eric holder, take a listen. >> i have seen a lot in my time as attorney general, but few things have affected me as greatly as my visit to ferguson. i had a chance to meet with the family of michael brown. i spoke to them not just as

attorney general, but as a father of a teenaged son like myself. they like so many in ferguson want answers. in my conversations with dozenindozen ins of people in ferguson it was clear that this has brought to the surface underlying tensions that have existed for many years. >> that was the attorney general talking about underlying tensions that have existed for years here in ferguson, between the police, between the people in ferguson, exactly what you were just talking about there, he was only on the ground for a few hours and i guess picked up on that. you have lived here your whole life. has that always been the case here in ferguson? >> it depends. as a youth, they used to have loud music -- there's always been something where revenues have been down, a lot of cities in the area, went to aggressive ticketing on the speed enforcement.

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