they pose to the entire world. that includes the direct military action we're taking in iraq. there are some threats that have to be dealt with. >> you don't need to be invited in if you're trying to rescue people from eminent danger. >> ongoing operations in iraq or ar digsal steps that need to be taken against isil, we would carry those out in close consultation with congress. >> as u.s. military continued limited mission against isis in northern iraq with three u.s. air strike s near the mosul dam suggesting possible expansion of the mission and increased international involvement. >> we will be relentless against isil and we will do what's necessary to protect americans and see justice is done for what we saw with the barbaric killing of jim foley. we're actively considering what's going to be necessary to deal with that threat. and we're not going to be restricted by borders. >> we need to have a regional

approach here and in an agency and international approach about this threat posed by this particular extremist group, isil. >> long-term strategy has to involve people on the ground taking the fight to isil, that is iraqi and kurdish forces, syrians who we are supporting on the ground. >> this was ben rhodes response to the question whether the killing of photojournalist jim foley represented a terrorist attack against the united states. >> absolutely when you see somebody killed in such a horrific way, that represents a terrorist attack. that represents a terrorist attack against our country and american citizens. >> sectarian divisions tore through the central part of the country, killing at least 60 people. it appeared to be retaliation for the explosion of three roadside bombs aimed at killing a shiite leader.

as isis leaders surrounded a town home to another minority group. in northern iraq, 70 miles north of baghdad, iraqi forces and kurdish continued their fight against isis. this fighting came just hours after germany and italy joined frabs and britain in saying they would arm kurdish forces in iraq. since august 8th, the u.s. carried out a total of 93 air strikes in iraq, following a massive relief effort this week, the united nations called iraq the most rapidly intensifying humanitarian disaster in recent memory. joining me now is the host of msnbc's hardball, chris matthews. thanks for taking time out of what is a very busy day to talk about this. given the words coming out of the white house and department of defense, do you think the mission in iraq is still as limited as the president originally said it would be?

>> well, it can't be if the secretary of state's tweet means anything. he said we're going to crush isis. that doesn't sound limited to me. crush it? >> do you think the president needs to go back to congress? >> well, i think -- here's what -- this whole thing about whether you get approval of congress has gotten murky. i think he would get it quickly. this became a blood war when they did what they did to jim foley. james foley. that was an attack on american for being an american. this isn't a battle between sunni and shia any more. because of w we broke that country apart. i don't believe president obama bought that country, to use the pottery house rule, i don't think we're responsible for the success of iraq because "w" blew it apart. there's a blood feud aspect to this thing. you cut his throat in public right in our face, what are you

supposed to do when that happens? you've got to react to that and go back at them. i think that's the mood. i don't think it's about rebuilding iraq. it's about getting even with isis. hurting them really bad and i think that's the feeling most americans have, we don't care about sunni and shia or whether the kurds are separate from the sunnis or shia or arabs and kurds separate, that's their world. not our world. it becomes our world when you get one of our guys and do what they did do him. i think it's more obama's war against isis, not necessarily for the reunification or success as iraq as a country. that's probably in the past anyway. i don't think there's going to be an iraq, do you? i see no evidence of an iraq right now. i see kurds doing their thing and shia taking over more and more fights as they did today, killing all of those people, those sunni people today that mosque and at the hospital going in to kill -- if they are still alive. that's a blood feud between sunni and shia.

our feud or war right now is with isis. >> to that end, the fact that ben rhodes answered so unee quiquif of coursally yesterday -- >> why is that so -- >> to answer your question, i think the president has said time and time again, we will protect american interests when america is threatened and now you have an american citizen who has been killed and other americans presumably within isis' grasp. >> of course. killing by sur hand, bobby ken dip was a terrorist act. isis basically declared war on us, i think. he think they are going to get a fight. >> do you think if it is president obama against isis, do you think he has support. you think he has support of american public on this? >> i think he can do damage he wants to with isis right now and

we would applause it. any damage. these are killers gone into the field to kill. not going to up to join the peace corps or foreign legion because they lost their girlfriend. they are going out there to kill. that's why they join this organization. they are a murderous group of people drawn together by murder. they want to kill people. look what they do to the christian community and even sunnis they get across, they kill them. and they are just killing people. i think they are a bad lot and i wish there was a way to basically destroy them quickly but there isn't because they are all mixed in with the community there. i don't know whether air strikes will do much to them. >> that's the issue. ben rhodes even said today, martin dempsey and chuck hagel, ground troops are going to be needed. for them to not be american ground troops but there's a lot of sectarian violence. do we have reliable partners on the ground? >> no. >> can we get an international

quorum together. >> the only way people tell me you can get rid of these forces and radical forces within the islamic world is to have the islamic world push them out, like body, tissue rejection, reject them. we have the armies of egypt and yor dan and all other armies in the region. why aren't they getting together. george bush senior, a lot smarter than his son in this issue of the middle east. he put together an incredible coalition of arab league and others that had japanese and germans pay for first gulf war. i wish the president was down working on this. putting together a coalition, not a joke government if baghdad but people who want to get rid of isis, that's a war a lot of people would like to fight. we can't get rid of them. the arabs have to get rid of isis. we can't stay there forever. we can kill half of them, the half will remain will as much trouble in the future.

it's like vietnam, if you're not going to stay, you can't call the shots. the arabs and egyptians and jordanians, they are all in the region. certainly even assad wants to get rid of isis, although we don't like him i guess. we are on the same side when it comes to isis. >> chris matthews, thank you as always for taking the time to hang with me. be sure to catch him on "hardball" at 7:00. thanks for joining me. if we talk about iraq and future for the country politically, i wonder how much confidence you have in haider al abadi and his ability to create lasting peace or pull the country together from the conflict that it is mired in today. >> well, to take cover in isis in one third of iraq actually and what they have done to the communities have actually made a wake-up call for a lot of iraqis

and christians and particularly sunni and shias. that wake-up call has led to the change and it's triggering a new discussion of what does it mean to be iraqis, not based on our ethnicities but unity as a country. whether al abadi can do that or not, i don't know. it is a wake-up call. the right discussion has been triggered in the last month or so. there's some right directions, whether al abadi is the guy or not, is yet to be known to be honest. >> let me talk to you about isis, do you think an international coalition is the way to defeat isis, or do you think as chris matthews just said, it needs to come from inside the arab world specifically? >> ultimately, it needs toe come from inside the arab world. isis is a manifestation with

also the syrian war. this is ultimately an identity crisis and darker ra for the middle east and particularly for the muslim world and ultimately the solution has to come indeed from within. having that said, if america and international community is going to intervene, which is one thing, welcomed, however it has to be strategic and long-term vision. it cannot keep on doing what obama administration has demonstrated in the last few years. keeps putting a fire here and there but no addressing the root causes of the issue. isis came as a result of support by some of americans allies in the region. isis came from syria which america did not intervene and launched one of the worst humanitarian crisis still going on and some not doing anything. we can't continue reacting to the last crisis as opposed to understanding what is the root causes of this. what our allies in saudi arabia or qatar or even in egypt are doing, they are part of this issue in here.

and thus in our alliance with them and relationship with them, it's part of the solution as well. >> let me ask you, the fact that a british citizen may have been behind the beheading of jim foley and we talk about this being a dark period for the middle east. it is a tark period for any country where there are terrorists joining the jihadist mission of isis. to what -- what is the correct response from the british government in a moment like this? >> i mean, the direct response of the british government has to have actually citizens accountable and citizens has to in this case defined by all definition including if they were of ethnic minority of different religions. it has to be fully accountable for its citizens and citizens needs to be going to court and trial and to make sure there's transportation of these young men from england all over europe and all over the world into iraq

and syria is not allowed. so this is an international crisis. if isis continued to thrive and continue to do what it's doing and i have to go back again, this did not come out of the blue. this has been going on for the last few years we're just seeing the result of it. if we are to stop it, we have to address all of components of it and got to understand. if iraq falls apart in here, if syria falls apart in here, the crisis is going to be even much bigger and much wider. it's in essence in the interest of united states of america and the international community to actually stabilize the middle east. and whatever that stabilization means, both in humanitarian and relief for the refugee and crisis that is happening both in syria and iraq and military intervention to help stop is is from growing and to stop them completely actually, and both in supporting the government and holding them accountable in the middle east for supporting and financing some isis members or having their youth going and joining isis members.

>> i think the white house is slowly coming around to that line of thinking exactly, perhaps too slowly but slowly nonetheless. >> women for women international -- thank you so much for your time. >> pleasure. >> after the break, 13 days ast death of michael brown, ferguson police release the incident report and it tells us nothing. the aclu and former federal prosecutor paul butler join me next on "now." there's a reason it's called an "all you can eat" buffet... and not a "have just a little" buffet. because what we all really want is more. that's why verizon is giving you even more. now, for a limited time, get more data! 1 gb of bonus data every month with every new smartphone or upgrade. our best ever pricing with the more everything plan and 50% off all new smartphones. like the htc one m8 for windows or android. built to inspire envy. come get your more with verizon.

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with relative calm returning to the streets of ferguson, missouri, attention is turned back to the investigation into michael brown's death. an investigation that has been controversial from the start. it's been almost two weeks since

brown was killed and public still has yet to see the official autopsy results. while ferguson police have already released surveillance video of brown's strong-arm robbery and report concerning that incident, we still have no pertinent details relating to the actual altercation that led to his death because ferguson police never filed a real incident report unless you count this document which lists the time and date and location of the shooting but nothing else. no description of what happened. no names of officers involved. why? according to the prosecutor's office, the ferguson police turned the case over to the st. louis county police almost immediately. so does that mean the st. louis county police department has an incident report? in fact, yes. it was obtained and released by the aclu on wednesday night but once again, there is a whole lot of white space. no narrative, no details just the time and date and location. and it does reveal something though.

the report was not even reviewed until august 19th and final approval wasn't give until august 20th, two days ago. after protests, arrests and tear gas, and heavily armored vehicles made michael brown's killing the biggest story in the country, it took ten days to release an incident report containing next to zero about the incident and that is it. that is all we're going to get because according to prosecutor bob mcculloch, no nurnlg information released until the grand jury convenes and even when that data arrives, some people have serious doubt whether charges will be filed. as for darren wilson, yesterday law enforcement forces confirm he was taken to a hospital for treatment immediately following the altercation with brown. as to the extent of officer wilson's injuries, the st. louis county prosecutor's office has not received any of those medical records and that none will be made public until the

grand jury completes its work. joining me now, director of the center for justice at the aclu, gupta and former federal prosecutor, paul butler. let me first go to you, to say nothing of the amount of time it took for public to see any of this, are you surprised at the lack of detail and fact it took days, more than a week to be reviewed internally by the police department? >> the reality is these incident reports lend us to ask more questions than they do give us answers. there's, you know, we looked at that and aclu lawyers looked at them for quite some time to figure out wait, what exactly is contained in these incident reports. you usually see a narrative that is -- that describes the facts at the scene, none of that is in either incident report. there are two things particularly curious about the

st. louis county police department, incident report we got. it shows that there's two 40-minute blocks of time not accounted for. one where that is between the time that the ferguson police department incident report was created and when the st. louis county police was actually called. then another 40 minutes or so between when the st. louis county police were called and arrived on scene. what was going on in the 40-minute increments, we don't know. ultimately when you were saying at the break that these tell us nothing, maybe they actually do tell us something and we don't like what they tell us, that one of two things is going on. it is very likely there is no incident report and why did it take both police departments ten days to tell us that then turn over these documents? right? that doesn't give people any faith about what's going on in the investigation. they should have been clear that there were no incident reports filed from the minute that the aclu asked for them.

i think that that is not good. that doesn't bode well for the community healing and being able to be able to move to understanding and addressing the serious structural problems in the st. louis and ferguson police departments to begin to make sure that there will never be a michael brown shooting of the sort again. >> professor butler, if we're talking about lag times, there's also the reality, michael brown's body was left outside for four hours and we don't have an explanation for that. that is -- that seems fairly unusual, does it not? >> it does. it's disrespectful to a human being and it would be one thing if we thought they were doing a serious investigation and wanted to preserve the crime scene exactly as it was. this is just another instance in which these police officers don't seem to have minimum levels of professionalism. so maybe the federal government instead of giving them all of this money to buy tanks and ak 47s should institute more formal

training of local police departments so we don't have mistakes like this. >> vanita, there's been a lot of debate over bob mcculloch and whether or not he should recuse himself. as we turn attention to whether there will be a indictment or criminal charges filed, there's a reality of how difficult it is to do in the state of missouri. specifically it takes nine jurors on grand jury to deliver an indictment at present we know there are three african-americans on the grand jury. do you expect charges to be brought? >> you know, i think it's dangerous to speculate. i think that there is obviously a lot that the public is not seeing that i haven't seen, that people don't know, and i take a lot of issue with the fact that we are not being able to access what should be public information. you can only imagine if a civilian killed a police officer we would have a lot more information about that incident at this very moment than

vice-versa. i think it's hard to speculate how this is going to go. and so i think it's better to really focus on the fact that the police department has been completely unforthcoming with the fact that clearly do exist, there are documents out there that must exist that provide a greater narrative. there are people who know more than is being revealed and that's going to be a real problem. it will -- it could cast some doubt on the proceeding investigations and that is not good. >> professor butler, i'm not trying to be speculative to vanita's point but there are parts of missouri law the public needs to know about as far as it concerns the case of michael brown. given the way the state constructed the laws, convicting a police officer is a difficult thing to do. i read from the new republic. the prosecution must only prove

that the defendant committed the crime but disprove a defendant's claim of self-defense to the same high standard. as as long as as there's still the slightest possibility that officer wilson acted in his own defense, missouri law favors officer wilson. can you tell us more about how hard it is to prove that someone wasn't acting in self-defense? >> well, you know, the hardest thing about this case isn't the level of proof. it's that the defendant, if there's a case will be a police officer. and often jurors are reluctant to convict police officers even if they think they are technically guilty because they think they were trying to do their jobs. the law on self-defense says that if you're a cop or if you're a civilian, you can only use it if you face eminent death yourself. so if the cop thought he was going to be hurt by mr. brown but not killed, he won't be entitled to use force. the jury would have to believe he eminently feared for his

life. i don't think that's a big -- as big a deal as new republic is making. that's the law in most states and usually self-defense is not a successful defense. when the case goes to trial and it's self-defense, the prosecutors usually get a conviction. >> to your point, the biases around police testimony versus civilian testimony are pretty established at this point, are they not? >> they are. but it depends on injure did and urban cities. folks actually trust the police less in suburbs people tend to trust the police more. the grand jury, i used to -- i was a prosecutor and appeared before hundreds of grand jurors, the prosecution is the legal adviser, they pretty much do what you tell them to do. it's so important that the community have confidence in the good faith of this prosecutor. and there's lots of reasons to think they shouldn't. so i do think that this prosecutor needs to -- for the appearance of justice, heed the calls he should step aside. >> vanita gupta, thank you both

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the gop's obamacare mania may have just back fired. this was how the koch brothers funded americans for pros spert characterized sergeant mark beg itch back in november. >> i trusted the president and senator begich, lots of promises were made to pass obamacare. they knew the real truth. millions are losing their health care. >> that was over a month before the bulk of the nation's health care law went into effect, namely the part that gives millions of americans insurance coverage. eight months after the law was implemented, this is how the koch brothers are going after begich now. >> we've got 17 horses. if we don't feed them, they don't survive. and i think alaskans are a little ticked off that mark begich is not showing up for his

job. last year he missed more votes and 80% of all of the u.s. senators. >> notice anything different? maybe the fact that the dreaded obamacare, the piece of legislation that republicans once called the top issue in 2014, that whole thing is missing. the begich switcheroo is one part of a massive sea change in the way the affordability care act is being talked about on the campaign trail as well as who is talking about it. take north carolina where the state's house speaker is challenging democrat senate incumbent kay hagen. in april, more than half, 54% of all issue ads in north carolina were spots attacking the health care law. by july, that number was cut in half to 27%. but absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, i'm not sure what that means. just because republicans are changing their strategy, does

not mean democrats will embrace a law that is alternatively been compared to 9/11, to slavery and to the holocaust, right? wrong. >> mark's insurance company didn't want to pay for the treatment that ultimately saved his life. >> no one should be fighting an insurance company while you're fighting for your life. that's why i helped pass pay law that prevents insurance companies from canceling your policy if you get sick or deny coverage for preexisting conditions. i'm mark pryor and i approve this message. >> joining me now is washington bureau chief for buzz feed john stanton and correspondent josh barro. i think this is a big deal. here's why, we have heard about the repeal of obamacare, how awful it is and how much it was going to be a yoek around democrat's neck and now the people not talking about it are increasingly republicans and people who are democrats am i in

denial? >> no, i think you're right. the pryor ad is the most amazing. this was an issue everybody looked at him and said this is going to kill him. instead, not only is he sort of not just accepting it as a reality but embracing it full force. if you ask somebody three months ago if they would do it, they would have said no way. i think republicans have gotten to the point where everybody they are going to get that is going to hate obama care and vote against a democrat over it, they already have. it's not -- there's no -- >> there's a ceiling on that. >> so democrats are seeing there is a space to go after. they do these ads and it can work for them. >> initially they are winning -- oh, i was kicked off my insurance and they didn't have anecdotes to fight back with, now they do. now they know exactly the sort of practical implications of the affordable care act. >> for years we've seen this

split where various individual parts of obama care poll better than the affordable care act does as a whole. as long as it was an abstract concept it was harder to run on that. now democrats are in a position not only where they can run on things like prohibiting insurance companies from discriminating based on preexisting conditions but attack republicans for wanting to repeal a law that includes those provisions. i think it has turned the tables to an extent. it will be ibting to see whether the attempt to decompose the law and talk about it and say the components of the law are good and i support them, i assume that republicans will come back and say that's obama care, you're running on obamacare -- >> does that -- is that a negative in the then it is attaching something good to obamacare. republicans have said they don't want to repeal? >> arkansas is an interesting state, heavily republican legislature that has expanded medicaid. they've done it through a compromise in the form of

private insurance. arkansas worked in the way we might have liked the u.s. congress to work where two parties got together and came up with a bipartisan compromise. >> let's not be hasty here, that is a good point though, john, the sharpest drops in uninsurance level, the number of uninsured under obamacare have happened in arkansas and kentucky. the rate has dropped 10.1% in arkansas. the question is, do the positives of obamacare, insurance coverage, trump the hatered of president obama in a red state like arkansaarkansas. >> the state program is very popular, the obamacare law but being through the state and people find is very good, governor is doing well. if she picks that up and says these are the kind of things we can do if we keep a democratic senate in washington, that could be interesting to see if that could help her. so far she hasn't jumped full force onto it.

if pryor doesn't get hurt, you could see her potentially trying to use that. >> she has -- this week has been talking more about parts of the affordable care act and other thing the democrats in red states have done successfully is put republicans on defense in states where governors have not expanded medicaid. that is a real world problem that pour residents tangably emotionally understand. the guys next door have coverage and we don't because our governor is deciding not to. >> i think that will be interesting no see in that arkansas, kentucky are both of these red states with relatively low incomes that stand to gain a lot from o bam macare and have done expansions. in states that haven't expanded medicaid and uptake of obamacare is law, will democrats be able to explain, it's republicans standing in your way who didn't take the medicaid expansion or

be this sense -- >> that things didn't change that much. this law came in and i didn't get new insurance and neighbors didn't get new insurance. i don't think we no what it will be in texas or louisiana. >> made it awkward for republicans -- to the republican playbook. we have news this week mitch mcconnell is planning a ted cruz strategy if republicans do take the senate, which is basically attach really painful things relating to the president's significant achievements to any funding bills. this shutdown or shutdown the government. this shut down the government strategy did not work well for the republican party. why announce it ahead of time if you -- why sort of shoot yourself in the foot, if you elect us -- give us control of the upper chamber, we're going to make life really miserable? >> i don't understand the strategy. >> they are trying to get the base out. particularly in a place like arkansas, again where republicans aren't doing nearly as well in the senate race as they thought they were and louisiana and north carolina,

having difficulties and need to get the base to come out and need mcconnell as the would be leader of the senate to say, all of these things you want we're going to do for you if you give me players to do it. whether or not he actually would do all of those things it remains to be seen. he has to get these people excited. >> it's weird to me that you get people to the polls based on a strategy of punishment and pain and potential miserable gridlock. he's not promising to get things done but promising to take it to the doorstop and make it really awful in washington. >> this is what republicans wanted to hear for the last six years. remember, mitch mcconnell came up with strategy back in 2009 that they were not going to let the president have republican votes on any of his signature efforts and deny him the ability to satisfy anything was bipartisan. it's an extension of that. >> ted cruz didn't come up with it. this is what we learned today. john stanton and josh barro, thanks for your time. despite a criminal

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it's was a big day for rec perry and not because of his big court hearing. the texas governor indicted last week on two felony counts of public corruption and coercion of a public servient chose not to attend his hearing in an austin courthouse and instead in portsmouth, new hampshire, testing out the presidential waters and explaining the situation back home. >> texas is a pretty red state now. but i refer to travis county as the blue berry in the tomato soup. if you know what i mean. i've been indicted by that same

body now for two counts, one of bribery, which i'm -- i'm not a lawyer, i don't really understand the details here -- >> i'm not really a lawyer and don't understand the details but let me explain them to you anyway. >> i think this is an attack on the constitutional duties of a governor. i'm going to fight this with every fiber of my being. i'm doing it because i know i'm right. >> perry also weighed in on the unrest in ferguson and need for balance on both sides. >> we're about the rule of law. you can't just go run up and down the streets and create mayhem. the other side is you cannot you know, don't crush a fly with a

sledge hammer. >> back in austin, perry's lawyer told the court he will be filing a motion to dismiss the charges against the governor. the judge says perry's team will have one week to do so. joining me now is ceo and editor in chief of the texas tribune, evan smith. travis county has been described by rick perry in one of my most favorite metaphors a blue berry in the tomato soup. is that true? is this a much bigger deal in texas than david axlerod in the "new york times" would make to like us think. >> there is more than one blueberry in texas -- but generally the governor is right. the problem, we talked about this earlier, david axlerod and davis and john sununu and those calling for resignation, nobody

no knows anything, whether the grand jury heard evidence worthy of these indictments. no one has heard the evidence. we don't know whether there's something there. we don't know whether this is politics at work. we don't know if it's something more sinister. we only know when we hear the evidence. i'll wait and see. we all should wait and see. >> if he's convicted on both counts, he could face 109 years, the max but 109 years in prison. let me ask you about his appearance in new hampshire, how does that play in texas, the fact he's not getting arraigned in the courthouse and testing the presidential waters. >> it's all about the governor attempting to litigate this in the court of public opinion. it's going to be decided in a real court but the governor wants to show that it's business as usual, running the state on the one hand or running for president or seeming to run for president on the other. any disruption would be giving in to the people who want to get him. he's in new hampshire talking

about national and international issues on schedule because this is more of a distraction for him than anything else. >> does that help him with the texas electorate or do they think you need to tend to your affairs? i'm wondering giving the fact you know texas. >> the assumption is that texas electorate cares what the governor does. he's been governor for 14 years and on his way out and lame duck. no one is really paying that much attention to what rick perry is doing. most people in texas who know rick perry figure he's coming to the end of the time as governor and thinking about what's next, what's next appears to be running for president. the fact that the governor is off doing this, no one is sitting around here, the governor ought to be back solving problems in the state of texas. they understand this is the way it's been and way it's going to go. nothing is all that surprising for me back here. >> before i let you go, are you surprised he's making another bid for president given how embarrassing the last run was? >> i was one of those people

before the last bid who thought he would be an excellent candidate and might get the nomination. i was as surprised as anybody to see him fall on his face. that kind of face plant was nothing like we have seen for the previous years. he needed to go on a reputation recovery store and the oops moment that is so famous. he need to change the conversation. this fighting back against the partisans, that may be it. why not rick perry? why not 2016? we'll see. >> we toent have enough time in the segment to answer why not rick perry but the texas tribune's evan smith, thank you very much for your time. >> thanks. >> ryan does not like sitting next to john boehner. we'll tell you why next. a card that gave you that "i'm 16 and just got my first car" feeling. presenting the buypower card from capital one.

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been known to tout his athletic prouess but we know how serious he truly is about his health and wellness. asked in an interview this week whether he ever asks john boehner not to smoke, he responded no, but i try to sit as far as i can in meetings that i know are going to be stressful. i hate getting that smell in my clothes. in his newly released book, ryan elaborates on boehner's nic fixes, if it's a good meeting he might go without a cigarette. if things are tense, he'll start halfway through. ahead of the government shutdown last year, according to ryan, he was already smoking when we got there. and as for the merlot marlboro speaker of the house, he is unlikely to give up his habits any time soon. >> do you still smoke? >> i do. bob, tobacco is a legal product in america. the american people have a right to decide for themselves whether they want to partake or not.

>> i like to play golf. i like to cut my own grass. and i do drink red wine and smoke cigarettes and i'm not giving that up to be president of the united states. >> that's all for now. the ed show is coming up next. good evening, americans, welcome to "the ed show", live from detroit lakes, minnesota, let's get to work. >> another step towards healing and understanding. >> no longer be profiled. >> let me call it once again for us to seek understanding. >> don't treat us like we're different. >> no excuse for excessive force by police. >> hands up! >> don't shoot! >> a few things affected me as greatly as my visit to ferguson. >> that's indicative of how we're being dealt with. >> they know their voice has been heard. >>