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tonight's lead new documents from police and new questions. tomorrow marks two weeks since michael brown's death. and the spotlight is now on the search for answers. with the release of this document by the ferguson police department, it's labeled an offense/incident report. it contains almost no details. only the date, time and location of the shooting. ferguson police say they never completed an incident report because they turned the case over to the st. louis county police almost immediately. but the st. louis county police department did its own incident report and it's almost as sparse. no synopsis of what happened. no details. no interviews. in fact, there is hardly more
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than thebarest bones, the time, date, location, the name michael brown and the word homicide. almost everything else is blank. for that reason it's raising new questions. "time" magazine writes about the incident report today. "the glaring lack of detail is leekly to increase widespread criticism that the law enforcement community is closing ranks around darren wilson." the big question tonight -- is there a good explanation for this lack of detail? joining me now are msnbc analyst and retired atf analyst jim cavanaugh and prosecutor and legal analyst paul henderson. thank you for being here. >> thanks for having us, rev. >> thanks, reverend. >> jim, what's your reaction to the lack of detail in these
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documents? >> i don't understand why there is no narrative in the st. louis county incident report. i think that's pretty lacking, reverend. when an officer is involved in a shooting a lot of times the officer doesn't prepare an incident report because they have been involved in a violent act. they're stressed, uh set, could be wounded, injured. maybe the sergeant will write it. then that officer will be interviewed the next day, usually by homicide or something. i can understand the process. i don't think that's unusual. the offer no doubt, at least i hope he was interviewed by st. louis county homicide bureau detectives within a day. that would be normal. for the county report to be just lack of all narrative not that they had to put if the officer statement. but michael brown was a victim of gunshot wounds, found at this location. it has nothing. it breaks trust with the people.
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>> paul, when you think of what we are hearing here, you had michael brown killed. you had some saying the officer was injured. i mean, there is a lot that would have had to happen if the officer went to the hospital or the police there. no the report of any of this? >> right. >> how could there be no documentation of anything? >> i'm sure there is documentation of many of the things you are talking about. also what's missing, what's lacking and what was turned over are witness statements that were collected at the time. evidence. here's why the evidence is important. where did you collect gun shells. if there were gun shells where were they picked up? near the car, on the street, in a line that would indicate where and how he was shot. any of the gunshot residue, if that was collected. any of the information that could be turned over has not been turned over. you know, these are things that are part of the problem and why
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there is a lot of distrust about what the process is. >> on top of that, paul, there is no synopsis, no narrative. >> right. >> even if you had the particulars, and you don't, it's according to what narrative? >> right. understand, reverend, that narrative probably exists. i can't imagine a circumstance that the narrative doesn't exist. what's going on is that because there are concurrent investigations going on right now and a grand jury that's going on right now, thatter in tif is in use. that information is in use. >> but, jim, the narrative may be in use. but when you do an incident report, as you just said that dayer or the day after, no one knows a grand jury, no one knows -- nobody knows any of that's coming. where is the incident report? you would want someone in the investigation to say this is what they said immediately. this is what they said while
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they were picking up shells. this is what they said if the officer did go to the hospital. you can't say we knew in our crystal ball that the attorney general would call a parallel investigation, jim. so where is the immediate incident report that has no incidents? >> i totally agree with that, reverend al. paul is correct. he's speaking from the grand jury aspect and the legal aspect. police chiefs, commanders have to deal also from the aspect of how the community reacts and what they see. if citizens think that law enforcement is hiding the ball, you know, they lose trust. >> right. >> trust is absolutely essential to policing in democracy. sometimes you don't get a report or it's not made or can't be given out because it's grand jury material. over the years i have had a lot
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of success with bombings, arson, murder, shootings, and letting people know this is what i got. this is what i'm telling you. this is what i can want tell you. the reason i can't is this. make it clear to the citizens and they'll understand. >> along those lines, paul, we don't know much from the st. louis county incident report. but we do know that it took ten days before it was revieweded internally. ten days. it wasn't reviewed until august 19th this past tuesday. now you have the trust of the community already waned. now you're going to ten days later mark an incident report that doesn't have an incident in it? >> p that's unusual. just as you brought up the point about trust from the community, one of the big concerns is, as you are editing out, making decisions about what you will release to the public, one of the concerns that the community
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has is you are leaking out or releasing information that's denigrating the victim. you are denigrating the person that was shot. while you can't release the narrative, you can release this video that supposedly shows michael brown engaged in some sort of crime, while you don't release witness statements you can leak out or give out information indicating that there may have been marijuana in michael brown's system. while you are not saying what residue may have been taken in or evaluated, you can have all the conversations that denigrate michael brown. all i'm saying here is these things are all a problem lack of trust is just growing broader and broader here. and the days that it took for the report to be filed and reviewed, that's another problem. one of the things -- at least for me -- that makes me feel more comfortable is that the
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federal government is evaluating all of these things. these are smart people. they know what they are doing. they are evaluating this at the same time and asking these same questions that you are raising at the same time to figure out whether or not there could be civil rights charges against this very department, exactly for how the case is being handled. >> but jim. >> yeah. >> we in no way know if there is anything wrong here. it raises questions. >> right. >> they may be completely right in the end. but it looks very, very funny when you can put out someone's video at a store where there is some shoplifting but then you come out hours later saying, but it had nothing to do with the shooting. you can put out that he may have had something in his blood system but we've got incomplete incident report. it's a matter of trust. it may all end up being
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explained but how do you explain how you shrek tyly dribble out what you want? without feeling like you are trying to paint a narrative. >> it builds on issues like trayvon martin. he wasn't arrested that night when the detective at the sanford police wanted to arrest him. >> he being zimmerman who shot trayvon martin. when you say he. >> right. so the detective wanted to arrest him. he didn't that night because his superiors wouldn't let him. there is no justice, no action, nothing moving. cases like this build on the past. the recent past. eric garner in new york. it builds on those cases. people want to see justice. they don't want oh to beg for justice or have to protest for justice. every time they want justice, you have to march, make signs, get civil rights leaders and elected officials. that's not right. we shouldn't have to do that for
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jut. we all deserve to have justice. that's an issue for the attorney general. i think they are going to move -- the department will move and the indication to me is 40 fbi agents, the attorney general going to ferguson. i think they are looking real hard, real independent. they can move without the state, reverend al, as you know as a dual sovereign the united states can move. if they see probable cause and it looks like a case can be won in a trial they can make an independent decision without the state to prefer a charge if they want to. >>you think the federal government may come in and take the case? >> yes. my read on what's happened with the 40 fbi agents, the attorney general going in there, they are looking hard at a color of law case under the civil i rights statute where excessive force by an authority figure, a police officer is a violation of civil rights. paul knows what i'm talking about. i think they will talk about moving on that independently. they like the states to do it. >> yeah. >> in this case, i think we'll
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see some action. >> you have a lot of experience, jim. do you think there is probable cause for an arrest of this officer? >> i do. >> paul, do you think there is probable cause for an arrest of this sa this officer? >> i do. i want to make a distinction that there are different standards for an arrest versus conviction versus a grand jury. >> i got that. >> there are three different legal standards used. certainly for an arrest there is more than enough, based on what we know. this is the problem that we don't have the narrative to make full evaluations and, yet, we do have hearsay information from the community. we have some conversations over here. >> counters it either. >> that's correct. >> let me stop with you agreeing about probable cause. thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you, reverend. >> coming up up inside the grand
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jury hearing, the darren wilson case. tonight we know the makeup of the jury. and the question surrounding the prosecutor continues from ferguson from the ferguson community as a whole. but the governor has made his decision. and a powerful and emotional words from journalist james foley's parents. remembering their son after being murdered by terrorists. stay with us. >> he was just so committed to people suffering. he was trying to -- >> humanize. >> -- humanize. he wanted the world to know how people were suffering. wouldn't it be great if hiring plumbers, carpenters and even piano tuners were just as simple? thanks to angie's list, now it is. start shopping online from a list of top-rated providers. visit angieslist.com today. can i get my experian credit report...eport card" thing. like, the one the bank sees.
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ray said a detailed report shouldn't be released while an investigation is under way. it taints possible additional witnesses at the very least. richard post eed he -- officer darren wilson -- should have been fired for not following procedures in filling out a report. just so many things wrong. what are they hiding? coming up, new details on the makeup of the grand jury and new questions tr for the prosecutor. first, keep the conversation going on our facebook page and tweet us @politicsnation. everything life throws my way. except for frown lines. those i'm throwing back. olay total effects nourishing vitamins and seven beautiful benefits in one. for younger-looking skin. olay. your best beautiful. i will never choose between uv protection and beauty again. new olay total effects
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amidst growing calls to remove st. louis county prosecutor bob mcculloch from the michael brown case governor jay nixon says no. >> when you have challenges you want the to have transparency and checking. we have a local elected prosecutor. no, i'm not going to take him off the case. >> you're saying that now. you are not going to appoint a special prosecutor are. >> right. no. i'm not. >> so the case moves forward with mcculloch at the helm. it's a controversial decision. it could take a while for all the details of the case to be released is there confidence in the community that mcculloch can be fair and impartial?
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joining me now is missouri state representative courtney alan curtis. his district includes 60% of the town of ferguson. and liz brown, attorney and columnist for the st. louis american. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> lizz brown, you have litigated against mr. mcculloch's office. do you think he can be fair in this case? >> let me put it this way. say there was a trial and the prosecutor was picking a jury during the voir dire and the credibility of the police officer was the issue to be determined in the trial. the prosecutor would ask this african-american person would you be able to be fair and impartial. he says my best friend was killed by a police officer. so the prosecutor would then strike that person from the jury and nobody and no judge would refuse to allow him to be stricken. if bob mcculloch's father was
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killed by an african-american and he's a police officer in the line of duty he would be stricken from any jury in america from serving, despite what he would say about i can be fair and imspar sha spaimpartia. of course he didn't do that. >> representative curtis, do you agree? >> i do agree. but this is a show or tell moment. we'll see if the system works or if it doesn't. this is the situation we are in. if it doesn't work that's why the department of justice is here to make sure we get justice on the other side. other changes afterwards will be indicative of the impartialness of mr. mcculloch. >> tell me the reaction in the community. mcculloch was elected, the governor said. there was an election recently. how is the feeling of the community about mcculloch beyond your own feelings?
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lizz? >> i wrote a column about it for the american this week. the community is very are clear. irrespective of what anybody else says this community spent a lifetime dealing with the repercussions or actions of this office. time after time what african-american people have seen, what this community has seen, what this region has seen is a prosecutor that has a different set of justice based upon the color of your skin. it's something that the community is aware of. >> curtis, is that what your constituents are telling you? what have you heard since it's been p said mcculloch won't step aside? what are your constituents saying to you? >> i'm hearing the same sentiments and that people wish they had taken part in the el t electoral process. if we voted we may not be in this situation. a lot of people are actually remorseful for not having taken part in the system.
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>> let me go to another issue, lizz. today we learned the makeup of the grand jury as far as race is concerned. >> mm-hmm. >> nine white, three black. the racial break down tracks closely with the county's demographics. the agenda of the grand jury is made up of five women, seven men. what do you make of of the race and gender of the grand jury? >> i think that this entire issue of what their race and gender is a distraction. at the end of the day, it matters not. the jury, the grand jury will do what they are directed to do by the prosecuting attorney's office. they will base their decision based on the evidence that he presents to them. so it doesn't matter what color they are. it doesn't matter what gender they are. they're going to have are to make a decision on what bob mcculloch chooses to put in front of them. we can't be distracted about the issue of, well, there is an
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african-american prosecutor and a white prosecutor that's in front of the grand jury. because they are not going to make a decision. they're not going to refuse to indict or indict based upon what bob mcculloch says. if bob mcculloch tells the prosecutors, "i want an indictment," he'll get one. if he says, "i don't want an indictment," he won't have it. >> sounds like you don't think he'll instruct them to get an indictment if the evidence is there. >> absolutely not. >> what do you think, courtney? do you think the makeup of the jury -- gender and race -- is material? and do you think mcculloch will be, as clearly lizz brown is saying, saying no, i don't are want an indictment meaning certain things may never go in front of the grand jury because only the prosecutor presents? >> right. i definitely believe it ises a tried and true system of justice and injustice. unfortunately we have seen it happen in a number of situation where is we haven't
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gotten what we were looking for. that's why it's important that the department of justice is on this so we can make sure we get justice. there are multiple plaiflavors justice. i'm sure we'll see that the system does or doesn't work. it is important to keep the focus on making sure michael brown gets justice and ultimately making changes afterwards. >> i think the system is broke aren. i think we already know it is. we have had enough evidence to be able to predict with confidence that justice will not be rendered in this case. if a prosecutor and a grand jury case, as the prosecutor can, can present hearsay information to the jury. they can bring in anybody they want to. they have already offered the police force, the soon to be defendant, hopefully the opportunity to plead his case in front of the grand jury. one of the things we don't know because the grand jury has been seated for so long, darren wilson could have come in and
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testified in front of the grand jury and they could have issued an indictment baseded on his truth and honesty. we don't know that. oop. >> i'm gathering that you are saying that a lot of faith in the community is in a federal prosecution. they have no faith in the state prosecution since the governor won't remove mcculloch. >> i would say yes -- >> talking to courtney. >> i'm sorry. okay. >> court? >> the governor had a tough decision to make mr. mcculloch was elected locally. he's trying to let him do his job. the fact that he should be imspim sp partial in this situation. we'll see if the system works or not. >> courtney allen curtis and lizz brown, thank you for your time. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. >> coming up, the isis threat.
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suffering so this can be a world with some love and compassion. >> defense secretary chuck hagel calls isis an imminent threat to every interest we have. the jihadist group already taking over are huge swath of land in syria and iraq. using barbaric techniques to seize control across the union. isis is now a major foreign policy challenge for the obama administration. so how can it be dealt with? joining me now is nbc chief pentagon correspondent jim miklaszewski. thanks for being here. >> you bet. >> how much has this killing
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ratcheted up the decision to take action against isis ? >> i think we are already hearing from the white house that they would like to step up the game, so to speak. to increase the military pressure on those isis rebel fighters. here at the pentagon there was shock, grief, dismay. but they had to put those emotions aside and get back to the task of planning to not only contain but force isis out of iraq and defeat them once and for all, reverend al. >> today, deputy national security adviser ben rhoads said the killing of james foley was a terrorist attack. >> when you see somebody killed in a such a horrific way that represents a terrorist attack. that represents a terrorist attack against our country, against an american citizen. an attack not just on him. he's an american. we see it as an attack on our
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country when one of our own is killed like that. >> does this terrorist attack change how the u.s. would deal with isis? >> absolutely. what was previously a mission as we have heard president obama describe time and again of one to protect americans in iraq to help the kurds in the north and provide humanitarian assistance, now it's become a counter terrorism mission. that changes the dynamics dramatically, a dramatically, reverend al. >> yesterday the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff said that syria has to be addressed in stopping isis from progressing. listen. >> this is an organization that has an apocalyptic, end of days strategic vision which will eventually have to be defeated. to your question can they be defeated without addressing that part of the organization which resides in syria, the answer is no. that will be to be addressed on both sides of what essentially
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at this point is a nonexistent border. it requires a variety of instruments. only oner small part is air strikes. i'm not predicting those will occur in syria, at least not by the united states of america. >> how is the u.s. planning to engage syria in the fight against isis, jim? >> they won't engage syria, the government itself. but there are plans under way here at the pentagon to launch air strikes against isis targets that are located there inside syria. they stress here that no decisions have been made. but as you know at the pentagon, they are always planning for the next possible contingency, next possible mission. it seems highly likely that the u.s. military and/or cia with armed drones will start to go after some of the headquarters, some of the leadership and isis targets that are across that borderless divide between syria
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and iraq. not clear when. again, no decisions have been made. but at this point it almost seems inevitable that we will see some kind of air strikes against those isis targets across the border there in syria. >> is this imminent? >> not imminent. i wouldn't say that. it doesn't appear to be too far off in the distance oath. timing depends on the availability of assets, the targets, where they may be at any point in time. of course the president's order to go ahead and launch. >> does the u.s. need to engage our allies in the fight against isis? >> well, general dempsey said not only do we have to defeat isis, but the u.s. can't do it alone. we are going to need the support of not only many of our european allies because there are some -- i think as many as a thousand foreigners who are members of isis. most of those europeans. isis poses a threat to europe.
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so far we haven't seen any offers of military assistance. not only european allies but the arab allies in the middle east, the persian gulf region who so far, even though they recognize that they, too, could be threatened by isis eventually, so far we have yet to see any of them step up and contribute to the fight itself. they have their own political difficulties, religious sectarian difficulties they have to struggle withment the feeling this the u.s. is at some point they have to sign on to the effort to rid that region and the world of isisment. >> i'm going to leave it there. thank you for your time tonight. have a good weekend. >> you, too. thank you. >> coming up, nothing says summer time like swimming, grilling and right wingers slamming the president's vacation. that's next. i make a lot of purchases for my business.
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we all love summer traditions -- barbecues, the beach. and of course the right wing attacking the president's vacation. >> there is a general perception the world is going to hell and the president is out there playing golf. >> hey, look, there is genocide going on, rape. why would we expect the president to cancel his vacation to martha's vineyard. >> president obama is summering at martha's vineyard.
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>> i'm convinced he takes the vacations to further the notion he doesn't know what's going on. he doesn't care. he's not responsible. >> oh, nothing like summer time in the gop. the reality is like all presidents before president obama, any vacation is a working vacation. nancy reagan once defended her husband's time at the california ranch saying presidents don't get vacationsment they just get a change of scenery. the right wing seemed satisfied with that answer. during this vacation, president obama addressed the nation on iraq three times and talked about the situation in ferguson twice. on wednesday, he honored slain journalist james foley. but some couldn't wait to criticize him for golfing after that speech. they are always looking to politicize. waiting to attack. the fact is president obama has
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taken 138 vacation days since he was sworn in. president bush at the same point in his presidency took 407. yes, more than a full year of vacation. you can see the difference here. i know it's the middle of the summer, but nobody deserves a break from re-al the ti. joining me now are joe madison and bill press. thank you for being here. >> good to see you, reverend al. >> thank you. >> joe, every president takes vacations. they just love attacking this one. why? >> well, i don't know. look at what this president has done. he prevented genocide on top of a mountain in iraq. remember the banks also are received major fines, major banks received multi-million dollar fines while he was on vacation. he sent the attorney general into a heated situation in ferguson, missouri. you know, what i said on my show
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the other day is something we both remember. what's a brother got to do? i mean, while he's on vacation he's done more to help this country -- oh, and by the way, he also launched air strikes against a group of terrorists that most countries' leaders aren't on vacation and they haven't weighed in. what's a brother got to do? >> i mentioned, bill, this has become a real tradition -- bashing the president's vacation. let's take a walk down memory lane. >> that's why the marie a antoinette jokes about moochelle obama. it's why some people say that it looks like these two just wanted to be president p for the perks. >> there he goes jetting off to
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tickle his toes in the sand of martha's vineyard, probably burying his head in the proverbial sand. >> 16 vacations, 90 rounds of super golf. >> our dedicated commander in chief has since returned to his wonderful vacation in hawaii. once again showing us all that he simply doesn't have your best interests in mind. >> i'm convinced he takes so many vacations to further this notion that he doesn't know what's going on. he doesn't care. he's not responsible. >> i mean, give me a break. the same lines over and over . they have nothing new. there is no content to their criticisms. >> no. reverend al, look. this just prove that is the obama haters never take a vacation. all right? you know, they are really on thin ground when you look at george bush. you mentioned 407 days by this point in his presidency. his entire presidency, 879 days.
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that's over three years that he took on vacation in crawford, texas. he used to go down to crawford texas for august. you pointed out and joe pointed out everything president obama has done in the last not even an entire two weeks that he spent on martha's vine yard. yet george bush was in texas. when they gave him the briefing on august 6, 2001, about al qaeda striking -- about to strike the united states with airplanes, george bush ignored it and went bass fishing. give me a break. this guy is on the job all the time. i've got news for obama haters. the world does not stand still when the president of the united states goes on vacation. never has, never will. >> the new york times wrote about how the president -- how presidents deal with emotional decisions and events. i found it interesting. let me read the quote presidents
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learn to wall off their feel iis and compartmentalize their lives. they deal in death one moment and seek mental and physical relief the next. to make coldhearted decisions in the best interest of the country and manage the burdens of perhaps the most stressful job on the planet, current and former white house officials said, a president must guard against becoming consumed by the emotions of the situations they confront. interesting, joe. >> maybe this is why their hair turns gray in four short years, too, because of all of this. you know, remember the rub we used to think about ronald reagan. he always took naps. you don't have to worry about this president taking naps. this is the same president, remember at the white house correspondents dinner he sat there, cool, calm, collected.
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you know, here are all the correspondents, these brilliant reporters, and then what did we find out just a few hours after that? he had given the go ahead to kill one of the -- the most wanted terrorist on the planet. >> i guess that's part of the compartmentalizing. >> that's right. >> i've got to put this in here, bill. karl rove weighed in on president obama golfing right after making the statement on james foley's death. listen to karl rove. >> somebody made a mistake. they should have thought this through, said the president will go out and make a comment on this. shouldn't we get -- why don't we get a tee time tomorrow or get it in four, five hours rather than eight minutes later. >> this is karl rove. but rove was also working for bush when this happened. >> good morning.
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>> good morning, mr. president. >> we must stop the terror. i call upon all nations to do everything they can to stop these terrorist killers. thank you. now watch this drive. all right. >> now after that bush did give up golfing until after the iraq war for the remainder of his presidency while the war was happening. but karl rove, of all people , had this to say. really? >> talk about the pot calling the kettle black here. listen, reverend al, yeah. i think the real point here is nobody is talking to karl rove. what did the president say at that little meeting with reporters after talking to the parents of james foley? what he said was two very important things. number one, that nobody can claim their faith tells them to do such awful, ugly acts as to
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execute and behead an american journalist. number two, he said we are not going to back down. jim just told us we are going to redouble our efforts against isis which must be destroyed. that's what they ought to focus on. they won't talk about that because president obama did the right thing. >> joe, you've got 30 seconds left. final thoughts? >> yeah. what does a brother got to do? to you, i wish you the best of luck tomorrow on staten island. >> thank you. i think that's the word we ought to think. this president is on top of it. everybody knows it. these conservatives ought to go on vacation. give it a break. >> got to go. joe madison, bill press, thank you for your time. have a nice weekend. >> you, too. turning tragedy into action. how the people of ferguson are already working toward positive
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conversation. we need to have it. about policing. we need to talk about the communities. we need to talk about how the state deals with citizens. and how the people act in their role as citizens. because the numbers don't lie. in ferguson, a town that's 67% black, the mayor and police chief are both white. on a police force of 53 officers, only three officers are black. there is only one african-american on the city council. and zero black members on the school board. that doesn't seem right to me. like i have said, don't loot -- vote! don't just talk, vote! i spoke about this sunday in ferguson. >> some of y'all that are mad today would not vote and would not register to vote. [ cheers and applause ] >> and don't show up.
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people marched. people died. people shed their blood to give you the right to vote. you're sitting up on election day too lazy and ungrateful to go to the poll. leadership comes are from both sides. they've got to open up and you've got to get up. >> we are already seeing people turn tragedy into action. we are seeing people come together for change. st. louis alderman antonio frechblg is leading voter registration rallies starting tomorrow. local leaders are spreading the word on twitter with the hashtag # heal stl for st. louis. and boxes full of t-shirts, ready to go out like this one. they will be sold to support the cause of voter registration.
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organizers say they must stand together and educate the youth. register eligible voters and continue the conversations toward equality. these are little steps that can be a big step toward change we need. and that we must work for. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. obama's war. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start tonight with the killers. the thousands of them who have joined up to maraud across borders, murdering anyone who refuses to share their fanatic creed. the only question is how we eradicate this isis bunch. experts say we can't do it by
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