money for house democrats. the 66th primetime emmy awards are this evening. you can catch the whole event beginning on nbc at 8:00 p.m. that's going to do it on the that does it for "way too early." "morning joe" starts right now. good morning. welcome to "morning joe." michael brown's funeral is held today and his father is praying for calm and it's important as we move forward today after a brutal months there is calm. here is what the father had to say. >> all i want is peace. i want my son to be laid to rest. will you please, please take a day of silence so i can -- so we can lay our son to rest? please! that's all i ask. and thank you. >> just let him be. i mean, this has been such a

long hot tragic summer for this country. and for ferguson. and especially august. it's been a brutal hot august. you got the protests, you've had the riots, you've had the police overreacting? a lot of cases. and you've had race. you've also had police brutality. the wounds to those things ripped open on the world stage. you know what is so tragic, mika? it didn't have to be this way. >> i think it was a confluence of event and a lot of different things that led up to this moment that could symbolizes what we are seeing across the country. >> yeah. it could. obviously, the first thing, let's face it, you got to look at what happened in ferguson. and it stavertrted with the pol department. we hear about bill bratton coming on talking about community policing. that is when you let the community feel they are a part

of policing. >> represented by it. >> represented by it. when you get a place where there are 50 white cops out of 53 and only three black cops in a community that is overwhelmingly black, that's not community policing. that sounds more like apartheid in south africa in this small town. you know what else? a lot of conservatives are talking about culture. you have to look at the culture in ferguson. this is a welfare culture. a lot of things have gone terribly wrong and all you have to do is look at these people that are on tv every night and aren't they horrible? it's a terrible culture! and this is what happens when you have the federal government throwing welfare to a community. okay. you want to have that debate, we can have that debate. paul ryan on the other day was talking about how welfare strips away the dignity of people. i've said it before. let's have that debate, but if we are going to debate about

culture, then why do we debate about a police culture? why don't we debate about a police culture? this shot yesterday was in here. let's go over here, t.j. this shot yesterday was in "the new york times" and you know what you see here? you see a bunch of young scared kids pointing shotguns at americans who are actually exercising their first amendment rights. you can talk, not only to any sergeant, any cop in america that knows about training and about the right type of culture in america for police officers. you could talk deletors of troops overseas and they will tell you you never walk around with your weapons pointed like that in at other people in iraq

or in afghanistan, let alone, god help us, in the middle of the united states of america. there's a culture problem and you know what? you know what it comes down? we read it all weekend. it comes down to the fact you got the federal government that is passing out a lot of equipment. we wrote some of this down. >> military style. >> military grade body armor. mind resistant trucks. silencers. automatic rifles. here is the thing. they are given with no strings attached, but, more importantly, they are giving them without training. these kids, these scared kids, they are scared for their life. they don't know what they are doing. does that fall on these scared kids? no. this falls on the leadership and they have got a culture that was broken. they got a culture that didn't work. they got a culture that led to

this and this, this is not us even presupposing what happened that day. because you know what? we don't know what happened that day. we don't know whether force was justified. you got people on one side saying, hang the cop by -- from the highest rafter and people on the other side, saying letting the cop go. there are big tv personalities saying what the cops did was wonderful, was wonderful. it was great policing. we don't know that. if he shot at point blank range because he is charging the cop and he is trying to get the gun, it's justified. but if the forensic evidence comes back and the shots were from five, ten, 15 feet off, it's not so clear-cut. so people need to really shut their mouth until they know

exactly what happened. but we do know what happened there, mika, and there is a total breakdown. did you see that article yesterday in "the new york times" about how long michael brown's dead body sat in the middle of the street with little kids and -- >> people taking cell phone video. >> -- looking at this guy shot in the head and bleeding out. you know what? every expert will tell you when you have a death like that, you go, you do the evidence as quickly as possible. the only thing you usually do to the body, one expert told "the new york times" yesterday, you take photos and then you get them out of there as quickly as possible. out of dignity, not only for the body, not only for the dead person, but for the dignity of the community. >> you close the block off if you have to. >> or you shut -- but what do they do? he gets shot at noon. you don't have the first detective there for an hour and a half! he is bled out in the street in a pool of blood.

they don't cover him for a while. they finally cover him but don't cover him completely. you can see the pool of blood he is lying in. you don't do this! even -- even the st. louis police department said this was a terrible mistake. >> yeah. >> but it wasn't just 15 minutes or 30 minutes. the detective comes an hour and a half later. it takes another hour for the medical examiner to come. so we are two and a half hours in. this 18-year-old kid lying dead in the street with six shots in him. >> people crying, crowd building, anger rising. >> and it takes another two hours to get him checked in to the morgue. again, we don't know if he is guilty. we don't know if he is innocent. we don't know if the cop was just i have had, but we do know, if you want to ask why this

happened, you've got to start with the ferguson police department. and you've got to start really with a crappy response, not only on the local level, but on the state level, all over. wi you know what the mayor is saying a week later? we don't have race problems in this country. >> it's impossible. >> it is impossible. but you read "the new york times" article yesterday. >> yeah. >> wasn't it jarring? >> look. i've seen the video of the body and the people and different cell phone videos with people's voices responding to it. it send three terrible messages. first of all, we don't care about this person, this human life, we can just do this, and most involved, you have all white police force and black man lying in the street dead for four hours, we don't care about african-americans. >> in the middle of the day. and, john, that's -- john heilemann is with us.

whether they believe that or not, henry kissinger said in politics, as in life, perception is reality. that's the perception in ferguson and it was from the very beginning and it led to a lot of chaos over the next week. >> certainly the case that if you run the thought experiment that we like to run sometimes in this -- on this set, you think about a affluent white suburban community and try to imagine what -- the scenario -- with a white rich suburban kid shot and let laying dead in the street five hours it would not happen. >> in america. >> it would be -- >> impossible. >> you can't even conceive of such a thing happening on the north shore of chicago or in the suburbs of austin or up in connecticut near where you live, you can't imagine that happening. >> you're exactly right, where

any of us live. not only in affluent predominantly white neighborhoods, in middle class neighborhoods. an 18-year-old boy gets shot in the white suburbs of st. louis? >> the police commissioners would -- if it happened, the entire police department would be under siege from community groups, you would have the police commissioner forced to resign within 24 hours. >> if race doesn't matter, you know, people say race doesn't matter. it does matter. in that affluent white st. louis suburb or we could say dallas suburb or new york suburb or l.a. suburb, if a black man shot a white 18-year-old, oh, my god. oh, my god. they would feel under siege. and then if a police department

in this white st. louis suburb had 50 african-americans and only three white cops, holy cow! locust would descend from the heavens. it would be absolutely unbelievable. you know, i got to say -- i'm growing so tired of these excuses that right wing commentators are making for this. i really salute rand paul and eric erickson and i even salute ted cruz. i said it. i did. you can say that, because there are conservatives that are talking about this. they are talking about how there's unequal justice. rand paul says there are two different americas when it comes to criminal justice and there is. this is not an opinion. this is a matter of fact. >> relate. >> you can look all the of this

stuff. but i want to talk really quickly. thirdly, the militarization of police. barack obama is talking about doing something about it. we need to review it. i'm not saying we go back the other way and do absolutely nothing after 9/11 but if you're going to give high-grade military equipment, some of it better than what our troops had when they first went into iraq, we have got to stop giving it without strings attached. most importantly, you've got to train the people -- you say you can get this, but you're going to have to do 200 hours of training so you don't have that shot that i was just showing you of those kids holding -- these kids holding up these guns. again, it's not about the kids that are holding up the guns. it's about the people running the police department. you see, we had a that horrible shot of a sniper holding a s.w.a.t. team like focused in on

peaceful protesters. >> it's also the gear and where you keep it and when you bring it out. no rhyme or reason to it. these smaller police departments getting this incredible military-style weaponry with no guidance as to what to do with it. >> as we move forward, we can learn three quick lessons. you want to get this fixed? community policing. if you're in a community that is overwhelmingly black and you have a police force that is 95% white, problems are coming. all right? on the short side, you better fix it fast. you need to see what bill bratton has done as far as communitying policing goes. we got problems here. you go out to staten island, let's show that picture. we have got problems here. the choke-hold. it was ruled a homicide and it was ruled a homicide for a good reason. this is absolutely horrible what happened out here. there was a protest in new york but guess what happened in the

protest for this terrible tragic unnecessary death. protesters went out there. there were a lot of people that had nasty signs but you know what? there were no arrests in the protests and al sharpton went out there and you heard what al said. he said we are not here to commit violence. we are here because violence was committed. al also said something, i'll quote it here. i kind of liked it. don't piss on our party. >> that is one way of putting it. >> this is here about a man who died. don't piss on our party. let us celebrate -- no, i'm just saying. i'm quoting what he said. >> you're quoting. that's fair. >> by the way, last point. you know what? anywhere al sharpton goes, suddenly, it's bad and republicans are criticizing al sharpton.

it seems to be the argument. i've attacked al in the past. i even put a resolution on the house floor condemning him, all right? is al perfect? no. am i perfect? no. but you know what? everywhere i've seen al go, he's gone for two reasons. one, he has gone because the community has asked him to come. two, the families themselves have asked him to come. i think the family of the dead 18-year-old boy have a right to can who they want to ask to come in and if al sharpton is going down there and telling everybody it better be peaceful, then i think right wingers, your argument is about 12 years old. and i'm not saying that because i work here. because i say a lot of crappy things about people i work with, all right? that's number one. and i'll tell you the other thing is they say, well, what about black on black crime? what if they ever talk about black on black crime? blacks kill a lot of whites. cops do.

guess what? they do. al does. he goes to chicago and barack obama goes to chicago and eric holder goes to chicago. the first lady went to chicago twice. all talking about black on black crime. s so let's strip away the excuse. let's get community policing as i've said before and review the militarization of local police departments and liberals can agree on here. finally, the third thing, meek, i said it last week. we got to put cameras on cops. >> yeah. >> because cameras on cops protects these people, whether they are black or white or hispanic, that feel like the police are brutalizing them. cameras on cameras protect good cops. the only people that cameras hurt on cops are bad cops and we need to get them the hell out of the police force. well done. in a few hours, the community of

ferguson, missouri, will say good-bye to michael brown. a funeral will be held today for the unarmed black teenager who was shot and killed by a police officer more than two weeks ago. three white house official are expected to attend the service and there will be two overflow rooms where the funeral will be streamed to the mourners in attendance. craig melvin is joining us live from st. louis. >> friendship, temple missionary baptist church is where we are right now, a church in north st. louis and seats 4,000, we are told. they expect their church to be filled when the funeral starts at 10:00 a.m. this morning and they are expecting a number of celebrities and dignitaries. i spent some time yesterday with the brown -- with michael brown's parents and the parents of trayvon martin as well. one of the things that michael brown's father said, one of the things that got him most worked

up, so to speak, during that interview, was the idea the thought you guys talked about his son's dead body lying in that street for hours on end. that was one of the things that he wanted to talk about a great deal yesterday. no doubt that the funeral today will be emotional. it's expected to last several hours here. michael brown will be laid to rest at a cemetery nearby. >> nbc's craig melvin, thank you very much. >> craig, craig, i mean -- craig reporting on what the father said. >> that's it, right there. >> can you imagine to lose a son. >> and then insult. >> then the absolute disrespect shown to him. early on, you see cops walking around the dead body, just walking around. no! go get something and put it over him! >> they did, but -- >> no. but it took a while. show dignity! by the way, regardless, regardless of who it is, you got

an 18-year-old young man dead in the street, it's not that hard to do. >> it's unspeakable. other news to cover. the biggest earthquake to shake the bay area in 25 years has sent more than 200 people to the hospital and left thousands without power this morning. the 6.0 magnitude struck in the dead of night near napa around 3:21 sunday morning. when the sun finally came up it revealed homes split and shaken from their foundation and the blacktop badly broken up. joining us live from napa, california, richard lui. >> as you described, almost to the minute, 24 hours ago, is when that quake hit about six miles outside of napa. the center of the wine country we know so well, this is what happened. 10 to 20 seconds of shaking and buildings like this reinforced and unreinforced masonry coming

down and 16 remain uninhabitable. when you think about the wine country, this important space, it's valid as some estimate, according to stone bridge research, $50 billion for our economy. the locals here they understand that. this is the way they reacted to what happened yesterday. >> it was like a roller coaster ride from hell. considered. i was in bed and it just tossed the whole place around. and it lasted for maybe 15, 18 seconds maybe. it felt like forever. >> i mean, you know, you see it in a horror movie but you think, this isn't going to bother me but, boy i tell you we grabbed each other and just held on. >> it started shaking and stuff fell on us and we took off out of the aisle. the earthquake was shaking the whole store. ceiling coming down. >> reporter: those are the layers of history you see there. insulation 2x4s and stone.

1875 is when this building was built and oldest of its type in this town. when they look at this, locals, as well as those in san francisco here, they are keeping one eye open because unlike tornadoes and hurricanes, the sleepless nights are not before, they are after. we have already had some aftershocks and expect many more. >> richard, thank you very much. an american writer is free this morning after being kidnapped nearly two years ago in syria. qatar helped negotiate the release of peter theo curtis and still uncleared what triggered the release but curtis's family said money did not change hands. the 35-year-old was held captive by a group affiliated with al qaeda that is fighting syria's government. british officials, meanwhile, say they have identified the islamic state militant they believe beheaded american journalist james foley. the suspect's name has not yet been released. >> they found out his name, he is going to be dead sooner, rather than later. didn't you get a sense on this

when it broke yesterday afternoon? it's like, al qaeda, listen, here. it's those dudes. we kicked them out of our club. >> yes, fascinating to see the way that al qaeda has publicly declared isis too radical to them so there -- thought ran through my head. the same thing. you know? it's those guys. >> it's those guys, not us. we are going to release him. it did send what we did in that tragedy, that absolute tragedy is the president did send a message. we are just not negotiating. and if you kill an american, you get a target on your back that british thug. he's dead. we are going to find him. i mean, look at history. he is going to be tracked down and he is going to die. in this case, al qaeda is like, wait, let's get this straight. we kill another american, we got more of a target on our back. we awaken a sleeping giant again and not get a dime for it.

the calculation is pretty basic. >> the other thing here, it seems that qatar decided to in the wake of foley execution decided to reengage and i think qatar running a public relations campaign saying we are on the good side and tried to get as many hostages as we can free. they are playing a guy owe political game. >> qatar has a long way to go after supporting hamas. much more on the hunt for james foley's killer. general mike hayden joins us in our 7:00 hour on the new intel leads. up next, more security concerns at the brooklyn bridge. if you can believe this, a man is arrested for trying to scale the new york land mark and took pictures along the way. yes, he did. >> my lord. plus, hollyweird goes to the 2014 vmas. all of the highlights and low lights from last night's big award ceremony. you're watching "morning joe." ♪ did you know, your eyes can lose vital nutrients as you age?

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♪ mika, we were talking about how we -- we had a beat on who this -- this animal was that killed jim foley. they actually, in the "new york post," they actually have his picture up here. he's not long for this world. >> no. >> he is not long for this world. we will teach him a message and we are going to teach isis a message. >> the brits are on them. >> hi, thomas. >> good morning, everybody. >> how are you doing, thomas? >> a reason he is wearing gray today and tell you about that later. take a look at the morning papers. >> i know why? if we go back to the last page, j-lo is wearing gray, white? >> she is my inspiration. >> is that it? >> not it. the new york daily news. 24-year-old man was arrested over the weekend after scaling

the brooklyn bridge to take photos. and it was all caught on video. police noticed after the man passed a security barrier and climbed a support beam on the brooklyn bridge and then snapped pictures. it's just unbelievable. he was taken into custody when he descended and faces possible charges of criminal tres passing and reckless endangerment and comes after that july incident when two german artists took two american flags with white flags on top of the bridge. >> all of the people on the ground taking photos of the guy as he watched this ae and begging to be caught. "usa today" not only did hackers knock the playstation off line but forced a passenger plane to make unforced landing after tweeting a bomb scare. an american airlines was diverted following a threat of explosives from the twitter use

lizard squad. the flight was met by authorities and landed without any incident. now, the same user is also claiming responsibility for an outage on the playstation system. the telegraph. the soccer player from cammeroo has been struck by a rock and thrown after a loss in algeria on saturday. fans hurled objects at the player as they headed toward the locker room. the interior ministry says the incident is under investigation. that is horrible. the "los angeles times." knight shot during a preparty for a party cohosted by chris brown. he is the founder of -- >> i was reading this and i said is this an old headline?

>> yeah. >> is this from ten years ago? >> no this is brand-new from over the weekend and happened early in the morning on sunday. he was there along with another man and woman who were also wounded. rushed to the hospital from this packed club. this is the melee outside. hours before the annual show for mtvs vma. no suspects have been named. again, knight has been shot before nearly a decade ago a party hosted by kanye west also before the vmas in miami. >> he is the teddy roosevelt of the rap community. gives a shot and gives a speech. unbelievable. middle and high school start delay times -- delay their start times so students are able to get more sleep. this is very interesting. ever try to wake up a teenager for school? >> i like this. >> research says kids should not start school earlier than 8:30 in the morning so they get the proper rest needed to excel.

studies show students aren't getting enough sleep and in a permanent state of jet lag. those who get between 8 1/2 and 9 1/2 hours have a reduced risk of obesity, depression, and have better grades and s.a.t. scores. >> that explains an awful lot. we get half of that. >> you're not up until midnight. should not kids be in bed well before 11:00 p.m.? >> the problem they are online until way past midnight. >> who lets them be online? >> exactly. >> wait until you have teenag s teenagers. >> my dogs are both teenagers right now and they do not -- they have to check their devices in when they go to bed. >> exactly! >> and it works well in our house. it's a system that we initiated very early on when we allowed them to have their social media accounts. from "usa today" what do we have today? >> the american heart association is calling for the fda to regulate electronic cigarettes to prevent young

people from becoming addicted to nicotine. the heart association says strong intervention is needed to the countless flavor options from e-cigarettes to attract young kids to smoke. they last e-cigarettes as a last hope to help smokers quit. >> the controversy is they can help but they bring in brand-new customers. >> if you're moving away to committing permanently. >> they should be subscribed. from the daily news. they show more pictures of this thug and here is the front page just for people who want to see it. the front page of "the boston globe," how it's looking. they are talking, obviously, about james foley also. the top of "the washington post" talks about cell phones that are being used. your cell phones really are, they are just being used as secret trackers and, most importantly, you all felt

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♪ welcome back to "morning joe." a beautiful sunrise in washington. joining us now for the must read opinion pages, "the washington post" columnist david ignatius. good to have you on board, david. >> good morning. >> we have been talking about maureen dowd's piece yesterday. >> woo. >> yeah. here is part of it. she writes this in new york city. the golf address. i know it doesn't look good to have me pictures grinning in a

golf cast juxtaposed with james foley's parents crying and a distraught david cameron rushing back from his vacation after only one day and the pentagon news conference with chuck hagel and general dempsey on the failed mission to rescue the hostages in syria. we're stuck in the rough going to war all over again in iraq. my cool golf caps cover my gray hairs. if i could just play through the rest of my presidency. isil brutally killing hostages because we won't pay ran comes and rumbles of coups with our puppets in iraq and afghanistan and awful stuff going on to give anyone the yims. it's a take-down of the president's vacation in his voice while all of this is going on. a speech to the american people. >> the american people are talking about it. i went home to pensacola. i went to the university of alabama this weekend talking to

people up here and people on the left, people in the center, people on the right and talking about the same thing. he is golfing after some of the most momentous event. i'm a big believer and i've red maureen's columns in the past. president should do what they need to do to get them relaxed and in the right frame of mind. i think the optics have been horrific this summer and there were a couple times he should have just stayed home and not golfed, but we will let maureen talk about that. everybody can debate it online. we also, though, have isis and, obviously, a big debate over the weekend in "the new york times" about just -- the administration trying to figure out just how dangerous isis really is. >> notable on the golf front even the president's allies on the democratic side quoted this week and last week in "the new york times" kind of giving him a poke over that. david ignatius, let me ask you about what your sense is right now across the foreign policy apparatus and the obama administration. do people have their arms fully around how dangerous isil is and

if they do, what are the implications of that for the medium and long term? >> i think the answer is that people are appropriately worried about isis, thinking about sustainable long-term strategy to degrade and then destroy them. i don't think there's clarity yet about how to achieve that. i think what your viewers should be watching for over the next week or two is a movement of the u.s. initial campaign in northern iraq against isis. >> syria. i'm getting all kinds of signals that that is coming and target selection is under way, there are a range of different strategies that have been discussed. i think on this question that maureen was writing about in her funny column, you know, taking off from the gettysburg address under golf one nation under par, she said, i think the thing to realize is that president obama

really has almost stopped caring what other people think about what he does as he makes decisions. i think he got so fed up this spring and early summer with criticism that he is just begun to ignore it as one of his associates told me, stop shadow boxing with critics so with we will see if he settles into a different governing rhythm now that school starts again and he is back in washington. >> iraq, as a whole, joe biden has a piece in your paper, david. this will be a long-term challenge and one that our patterns around the world have no choice but to take on and win starting in iraq. david, stay with us. still ahead on "morning joe," rand paul versus hillary clinton. the kentucky senator explains why democrats may want to vote for him over the former secretary of state. we will be right back with much more "morning joe." ♪

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and i think that is what scares the democrats the most is that in a general election, we're allowed to run, there is going to be a lot of independents and even some democrats who say, you know what? we are tired of war. we are worried that hillary clinton will get us involved in another meaner war because she is so gung ho. if you want to see a transformational election in our country let the democrats put forward a war hawk like hillary clinton and you'll see a transformation like you've never seen. >> david ignatius, absolutely fascinating what rand paul has been talking about. i've been saying if you had hillary clinton running against rand paul you'll have the democrats on the neocon side. the way it's defined in the campaign that changes the dynamics a bit. >> that interview was fascinating. first, to have the republican candidate to the left of the respective democrat on national security issues calling her a war hawk is amazing. you wouldn't imagine you could see that ten years ago.

also, i was on "meet the press" and watched chris jansing's piece. he is an attractive candidate, not least in presenting himself with what he is as an eye surgeon. he was there in guatemala treating kids and anyone who thinks he is an easy candidate to shoot at so he is so far to the right, think again. >> i agree with you. >> especially when he came out talking on race. my opinion of him has changed from saying he is his father's son politically and do well in a couple of states and then not do as well. i'm having to reassess it. i'm hearing more and more people saying this guy is fascinating. >> the question of how democrats are going to attack rand paul is putting the cart before the horse. the problem he is a lot of republicans are going to attack him first and getting through that republican gauntlet when you're on that place on foreign policy where not the party is going to be very tricky. >> i think we will find the parties a little more split but

we will see. certainly if isis continues to expand the way they expand, his viewpoint won't be as popular. >> david ignatius, thank you very much. coming up, a show stopping performance proves there is nothing beyonce can't do. full coverage of last night's vma awards is still ahead. first, is burger king going to be the latest u.s. company to seek tax e versions abroad and not pay taxes in america. >> you'll be paying burger king's taxes. >> thank you! hawaiian grew and grew, until to keep growing, they needed a new factory, but where? fortunately, they get financing from ge capital. we're part of ge, a company that's built hundreds of factories. so we can bring in experts to help them evaluate costs, incentives, and zoning to make a decision that would make their founder proud. if you just need a loan, just call a bank. at ge capital, we're builders. and what we know, can help you grow.

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countries have a lower corporate tax rate. >> we just need to stop this. >> congress could stop it. the white house could stop it and consumers could stop it. i tell you what, it has to happen. i mean, so i guess when they come back, is there any chance, john, that congress can stop these big corporations from setting up shops overseas and making us pay their tax bill. everyone agrees if burger king does this and make billions and billions of taxes and pay no taxes in america but we have to pick up the tax bill and pay higher taxes because of burger king. >> you think there would be an issue because of bipartisan consensus and given the product to congress and its ability to get anything done, i would not have high hopes of anything getting done. the use of force coming up at the top of the hour. how police across the country are crossing a line and how that impacts all of us. then the latest from the bay

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we have bill karins. >> the best nominees for best pop video is. >> reporter: no show is hollyweird like the vma music awards. it's the hollyweird super bowl! nicki minaj helped open the show with her son but when it came time for a wardrobe change and her other hit "bang bang" she was holding her dress together. taylor swift hit the stage before her latest single shake it off, shake off and should accordingly. miley cyrus was, well, i'm not sure. you okay there, miley? >> the vma goes to miley cyrus!

>> reporter: this year she made her appearance without uttering out anything and that crazy tongue. she had a homeless man to accept her award on her behalf. >> i'm accepting this award for runways who are starving and lost and scared for their lives. i know this because i'm one of those people. >> reporter: in the end no one's surprise queen b who owned the night. included all 15 songs of off her new album. jay-z and their thoughts blooded on before they awarded her for the michael jackson award. >> beyonce! >> i love y'all so much.

blue blue, i love you. my beloved, i love you. my fans, mtv, i love you. good night! >> that was a big night. did you and your dogs see it, thomas? >> we were asleep. the dogs may have snuck their devices out while i was fast asleep. they were tweeting azalea. >> did you see any of it? >> i did but no outrages this year. nothing provoking. i would say a little wardrobe malfunction but nothing that got anybody stirred up or angry. >> i think it was more planned. the other performers had microphones and nicki minaj had the hands free so she could keep it together. >> i'm sure you guys have noticed and maybe you haven't. i have an 11-year-old girl and i drive her around all day and we are listening to popular stations. guys have just disappeared. you basically have maroon 5 and

a lot of women singing. as far as mainstream radio. >> what about 1d? >> they are so between. >> that was hollyweird. thank you, bill karins. >> they do play beyonce 24/7. the next hour of "morning joe" starts right now. ♪ if you want it come and get it ♪ >> you will i want is peace while my son is being laid to rest, will you please, please take a day of silence so i can -- so we can lay our son to rest. please. it's all i ask. and thank you. michael brown's father is going through much.

not only did he lose his son but read reports this past weekend and hear what happened to his son. "the new york times" had this explosive piece yesterday, mika, i'm sure you saw it. >> incredible on the front page. >> the front page about how michael brown's body, his dead body stayed in the middle of the street for four and a half hours. now, you talk to most law enforcement officers, they will tell you that when someone is killed in an altercation by police, what happens? they come in very quickly and take pictures for forensic evidence. they immediately cover him up. and then they will take the person away. in this case, though, "the times" put this graphically. it was just horrible. he was shot at noon. the first detective doesn't come for an hour and a half, right? so michael brown is lying dead in the middle of the street for an hour and a half. bleeding out. six wounds. he's not covered up for the first 15 minutes or so.

we have seen the videos of the police officers just walking around in circles. >> maybe they were shocked. >> maybe they were shocked and couldn't believe what happened and maybe they were panicking but whatever they were, they were undisciplined even after the shooting regardless of whether it was just i have had -- justified or not. i think both need to sit back and shut their mouths unless it was justified or not. there needs to be physical evidence and there needs to be an investigation and we need to find out as quickly as possible. regardless of how that story turns out, this has been an ugly august. it's been unnecessary and it's been unnecessary because there were so much mistakes by the law enforcement officers in ferguson, in st. louis county, and in the state of missouri. mika, it started out with an

unrepresentative police. a lot of problems in l.a. before bill bratton went out to l.a. and he said, hey, wait a second. i've got a radical idea. let's make the community feel like they are a part of policing. sort of a community watch. that worked in l.a. you know, there is a shooting in l.a. recently and similar to what happened in ferguson. there were protests? not a lot of protests. were people going out on the streets saying they felt underrepresented? no, they weren't because community policing works there. same thing that happened in new york. we have shown the shock and it was ruled a homicide. the shocking death by choke-hold on staten island. there were protests and idiots comparing the police officers to

kkk but people running the rallies like al sharpton saying we are not here against the police. we are here trying to figure out what went wrong so it won't happen again. but, unfortunately, "the huffington post" this weekend. >> it was incredible. >> i'm sure you saw it, mika. for black americans, "the huffington post" said this seems to be a way of life. is it? no, not in every community but we have seen through the summer and throughout the year, unfortunately, one incident after another caught on tape. on august 19th, two st. louis metro police officers caught and killed a 25-year-old man. he was suspected of shop-lift ing products from a convenience store. they say when the man approached the officers fired 12 shots.

they fired 12 shots and they killed him. an absolutely horrible scene out of oakland. if you're an african-american, i know it's hard but i want you to do with that famous line from the end of "to kill a mocking bird." if you want to understand, you've got to try to walk a mile in their shoes. and if you're an african-american right now, you wonder if the police are on your side or not in a lot of communities across america. on new year's day 2009, police officers shot and killed an unarmed 22-year-old man oscar grant in a b.a.r.t. station in oakland. the officer claimed he intended to draw a taser stun gun. i'm not exactly sure how he drew his revolver and shot him but the cell phone video of the incident was circulated on the internet and he shot a man that

he was on top of unarmed. he was acquitted of murder but he is serving time in jail. we see this time and time again. i show a picture i saw this weekend in "the new york times." this is about culture. here you've got a bunch of kids and look at them. they are kids. and they have got guns aimed directly at the crowd. no police officer that knows how to handle situations like this would tell you that this does anything other than stir up hatred and animosity in the community. it's undisciplined. we talked about culture before. some of these police departments, the culture is breaking down and you take a broken culture and you take an unrepresentative police force where you've had 53 police officers in an overwhelmingly black community and 50 of them are white. you're asking for trouble. that's not community policing. that is more like apartheid in south africa.

it's ridiculous. so you take that and then you take the militarization of police. mika, you talked about this before. an article a lead in "the new york times" yesterday where barack obama is having to look back at what we tried to do after 9/11 where we tried to make local police officers the front line on our war against terror and so what do you have? you had all of these weapons. >> armored vehicles. >> armored vehicles. >> body armor. all sorts of very -- well, they are military style weaponry which is given to a local police force and perhaps very necessary at a time of a terror attack. but the question is when does this stuff get brought out when you have a civilian situation where there is unrest in the streets? where is it stored? how is it used? is it monitored? >> and of this weaponry is being given without any strings attached. >> yes. >> without, most importantly, john heilemann, without any training. so you're in kalamazoo and you

get this huge armored vehicle and all of this body arm is more advanced than what a lot of our soldiers and marines had going into iraq in 2003 and they have got no splin. discipline. i keep talking about culture. it's about culture. it starts at the top and it doesn't start with these kids. it starts at the top. when you have mayor in this town saying a week into these riots that we don't have a race problem in ferguson, we don't have race division, the culture starts at the top. and it's just a recipe for disaster. >> the combination, it seems to me of the culture piece you're talking about and this weaponry and the lack of training leads to what we have seen in so many of these cases which is an instinct for escalation. a hair trigger ramping up the temperature rather than doing what we hope police officers do in every instance which is try to deescalate. how do we keep the peace and calm things down?

in these cases, we have seen so many pictures in so many of these instances the first reaction of a lot of these cops that have the weaponry and are not that familiar with the people that they are policing is to draw their weapons and shoot before trying other tactics to try to get out of the situation without any loss of life. >> yes, there were riots. yes, there were terrible things going on during all of this. mainly from the outside. mainly from agitators. that's not saying there were bad people in ferguson that were taking advantage of this, there were. my point is very clear. we don't know what happened between michael brown and the police officer. there is an investigation. there is forensic evidence. they are going to figure that out, all right? so you can jump to your conclusions if you're stupid. you can jump to your conclusions if it helps you reinforce all of your preexisting prejudices, whether it's prejudice against white cops or prejudice against black people. if that helps you go to sleep better bathed in hatred you go to sleep bathed in hatred. it's your problem.

it's none of our problems here. it's not going to change the facts on the ground. we don't know how that is going to turn out. but what we do know, mika, is we had a long hot summer with very bad things happening in middle america. scanned out across the globe ripping open problems with race and police brutality and it was all unnecessary. we got to strip it down. we got to re-examine what happened there. you got to have community policing, first of all. the second thing is we have got to demilitarize our police officers. people on the right and the left agree on that. the third thing is all cops have to wear cameras. all cops have to wear cameras. all cops have to wear cameras. the federal government wants to do something, instead of passing out more tanks to kalamazoo, michigan, fund every police officer to be able to have a camera on him. it protects the people, it protects the good cops, and it puts the bad cops basically on notice. >> to your point, the president

has ordered a review of the weaponry being handed out and senator claire mccaskill is holding hearings in a few weeks. we should have her on to talk about that. as you mention, merge, missouri, will say good-bye to michael brown in a few hours. the community will come together for a funeral. it will be held today for the unarmed black teenager who was shot and killed by police more than two weeks ago. three white house officials are expected to attend the service and there will be two overflow rooms where the funeral will be streamed to mourners in attendance. more money also has been raised through online fund-raisers an exceptional amount for a short period of time for darren wilson, the officer who shot brown for the teenager's families. we will be following that. the money was raised on two websites i think in a matter of days. >> i think there are a lot of people out there saying, you know what? he is innocent in america until he is proven guilty. let's get the evidence in before

we are convicting cops. we have politicians going out saying they need to indict him right now and need to arrest him and throw him in jails. >> that takes weeks. >> no. they need to look at the evidence and be guided by the evidence. >> things that you can look at how long the body was laying in a street. procedures like that are obvious, we can look at problems that surround the question and we can certainly talk about fixing the culture. >> that has absolutely nothing to do with this police officer. the body lays in the street for four naand a half hours and overreaction and snipers pointing their guns. >> we can look that. >> those are the sort of things that can't happen in america in 2014. other news. the biggest earthquake to shake the bay hear in nearly 25 years has sent 200 people to the hospital and thousands without power thunderstorm. the 6.0 magnitude quake struck in nap a around 3:20 on sunday. sparking fires and crippling

water mains. you can see the houses and streets broken up. joining us is richard lui from napa, california. >> reporter: what is what we associate with napa when we see the buildings off their foundations. today is a day since the quake, 6.0 which is 30 times less in energy than the 6.9 that hit california back in 1989. they are trying to out is it a million, a hundred million dollars affected buildings like this or not? because you were describing they had foundations that moved off the side by as much as a foot. they had streets that were torn like sheets of paper. they had motor homes that were up in fire. now that is sort of the challenge. that is the lottery that you get if you live in california but the big brains of berkeley, they are trying to change that. they are putting together some ideas and they came up with a warning system they hope would

give you days and maybe hours, but for now, it's only seconds. this is the warning that went out yesterday. >> earthquake, earthquake, lights shaking in three seconds. >> reporter: so the idea there if you get ten seconds you can avoid something like this, these tire sized pieces of stone falling down. of course, there is also another way. they have something in northern california called earthquake weather if it's overly hot more than normal you might get an earthquake. that is not true today. >> heilemann, you've been through an earthquake. i've never been through one. three seconds? i don't know if that gets me out of the the 54th floor of a towering inferno. what happens? is it scary?

>> well, it's -- >> no, i'm just asking. these are fascinating! the weather is moving under your feet. >> it's a strange thing. kind of like your house is on a roller coaster. the '71 earthquake in san fernando is one of my earliest memories from childhood. in school you needed to duck and cover and get underneath your desk was the elementary school thing. if you're in your home was you're supposed to stand in a doorway because if the house collapsed around you, you would still have the door jamb. my father lived through the '94 earthquake which was a huge one and suffered some damage to our property there. it's so common. you know, it's not that common and doesn't happen every year but common enough people are remarkably calm about it when it happens and everyone and the rest of the country is so freaked out by earthquakes. in california, people are

relatively calm. >> stone cold. >> i'm sitting in florida. they say a hurricane is coming in seven days. a hurricane is coming in six days. >> go to home depot. >> a hurricane is coming. here. >> he is first in line. >> here you're sitting around, boom, but the guys in berkeley give you three seconds. >> we lived through one in 2008 in california. my mom was in town visiting from baltimore and we were sitting around a pool we had. she is putting on suntan lotion and didn't feel it. i said, mom, did you you feel that? she said no. she was so mad she didn't feel the earthquake. she was so upset. she comes for a quick visit and never feel one again. >> good thing she had her sunscreen on. >> the ones in san francisco it shakes and you say, i guess there was just an earthquake. when you get over 5.0, 6.0, you feel them. one more news story to get

to this morning. an american writer is freed after kidnapped nearly two years ago in syria. qatar helped the release of peter theo curtis. it's uncleared what triggered the release. the 45-year-old was being held captive by a group affiliated with al qaeda that is fighting syria's government. british officials meanwhile say they have identified the islamic state militant that they believe beheaded american journalist james foley. the suspect's name has not been released. they are looking at pictures and they are on it. >> they are on it and looking at pictures. obviously, al qaeda release had to be attached to what happened the tragedy of jim foley. they are saying, that is not us. those are the crazy guys. we kicked them out of our club. i think a lot of things will unfold because of the tragedy to james foley. >> on "meet the press," mike rogers saying isis is one

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ideal. they are one plane ticket away from u.s. shores. >> they are not the jv team any more. they are the most promisenant terrorist organization in the world but not the only one and in competition with the other jihadist groups and the gold medal will be awarded to the group that can hit america. >> the president has to understand that america must lead and when america hasn't, a lot of bad things happen. this is not like the earthquake in san francisco. all of this could have been avoided like leaving a residual force behind in iraq. >> here with us now from washington former cia director and former nsa director and retired general michael hayden. from chill, fellow at brooking institution center hamid who is the author of "temptations of power. >> welcome to you both. >> the debate continues, general. "the new york times" saying isis was the jv team but said they

come out after the beheading of jim foley and inside that story questions remind quietly inside the white house how big of a threat they are. still trying to figure that answer out. what is your feeling? >> yeah. i think they are quite strong, joe, but you need to put it into some context. they are very powerful locally. they have the trappings of a state, not a jihadist movement now in parts of syria and iraq. they are quite strong regionally and i think they have global ambitions. they haven't quite shown that global capacity yet. joe, i'm with some of your commentators earlier today and on the shows yesterday. we have underestimated these guys in the past. a failure of imagination before 9/11, we knew al qaeda and the araban peninsula. i wouldn't underestimate these folks. >> it's hard to underestimate

these folks when the jv team you turn around and they actually own -- they control a land mass the size of jordan. >> the trappings of a state, an army, a government and tax aigs and just raw terrorism. >> shadid, i'm concerned about the effort to contain and stop isis. where should that begin and should the president close in on syria? >> a big difference between containing isis and defeating them and where there has been a lack of clarity when it comes to the obama administration's policy. obama has, obviously, been focusing now on iraq but if we are not willing to address the origins, the root cause of isis rise which is syria, then there is no serious plan there. that is so troubling watching this from afar.

we had a chance in 2008 to support the mainstream rebel forces and this was exactly the warning that if we don't act now, in a year, two years, extremists are going to come to prominence and then it's going to be too late. >> so you disagree with the president who said 8:00 fantasy for anybody that says if we got to syria earlier this could have been avoided? >> it's not as if isis wouldn't have existed, but if there were mainstream rebel forces that were actually being backed by the u.s. and our allies and they actually had arms ammunition and advanced weaponry then they would have been able to fight not just that regime but isis. over the last year, there have been many clashes between isis and the other rebel forces so there is a coalition there as recently as last month when is remarkable when you think about it. isis was moving into an area in eastern syria and begging for u.s. support and u.s. support didn't come, to isis was able to

move into new territory. >> thomas, you had michael rogers on the intel chief saying it's frightening that these guys are only a plane ticket away from the united states. >> well, it sounds like an oxymoron who we say mainstream rebel forces could have combat isis back in the day. when we do the research to figure out the origins of isis with we know they were helped along by several members released from jail in syria in 2011. general, where do you think it stands with our relationship, the nonexistent relationship in public that we have with bashar al assad, but the public thing that we have in none with bashar al assad is that the joint effort to extinguish isis and the back channels for communication that might be open for that. >> this is a pivot off what shadi just said. our failure to build up a modern operation and center reinforced

assad's efforts to reinforce the opposition is a terrorist organization. now we are in the position where isis is the enemy of both of us but i think richard haass said in the middle east the enemy of the middle east is still my enemy. i don't see cooperation between ourselves and the syrian government. we tried this once before during the war in iraq damascudamascus. we tried to cooperate with the syrian government to cut down that pipeline. it was a very unsatisfying relationship. >> general michael hayden, thank you very much. shadi, thank you as well. >> thank you. >> the book is "temptations of power." >> barack obama is off his vacation. he is back at the white house. any indication from what you've heard or your reporting about what is next? does this president, they are now talking about going into syria even cut off isis there

and as one of our guests just said, if you don't go into syria, you don't get isis. do you think that is the next step? >> i think it's the next step. we saw overnight isis forces taking over a military base in syria as they gather more arms, more assets to carry out their agenda. i think the white house is headed there and maybe belatedly. i don't know. the thing this is moving towards is the president, if he is going to do that, he is going to have to get up on front of the country and make the argument not just on humanitarian grounds but on strategic grounds why we must reengage in a deeper way in this conflict. if he is going to do that he has to bring the american people along and explain why it's important. >> on foreign policy the president likes to lead from behind and doesn't like to get out in front of the american people to talk about it because he has no appetite for this but he has no choice. as richard haass was quoted there saying in the release enemy of my enemy is still my

enemy. the fact is we have two enemies both syria and iran who have the same strategic interests as we do in stamping out this force. i think american leadership is badly needed here and if we do something other than leading from behind, which i think the president is moving towards doing, i think isis is not going to look like the threat that it is right now six months from now. coming up, many have said the indictment of texas governor rick perry is nothing to see here but is the dream team he has assembled signify differently? oh, my gosh. >> what a campaign. plus no shortage of drama at yesterday's little league world series championship. that is still ahead on "morning joe." vo: this is the summer.

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texas governor rick perry isn't taking his recent indictment lying down. >> splendid mug shot. >> you wait until you see where that mug shot is now. >> what do you mean? >> oiit's on a t-shirt that say

"wanted." he literally took a disadvantage. >> wanted to kick the tail of the democrats. >> look that. >> that is unbelievable. who did this? that's what i need to know. >> then the guilty t-shirt of the woman that was picked up for dui on the left. >> i don't like that is age perry spent the weekend in new hampshire where he finished a dismal sixth place in the gop presidential primary. he attended six events in 24 hours. members of his group handed out t-shirts with his mug shot on it. with us now the chief white house correspondent for politico, mike and. tell us about this legal team. mike, why is it interesting? >> good morning, mika. this morning, politico has learned that governor perry is add ago prominent democrat to his legal team. he has five high-powered lawyers and adding mike fabiani from the

clinton administration he was a special counsel to president clinton. deputy campaign manager to al gore. mark is joining this team telling us in a statement they are going to fight back on behalf of what he calls the rule of law calling the charges against governor perry meritless. he also has a very prominent republican attorney ben ginsburg you remember from the bush and romney campaigns. so governor romney, in addition to this public relations defensive we have seen is also taking this seriously illegal bringing in some of the legal guns in the country. also we want to talk about the koch brothers. republican senate candidates seek to tie their democratic opponents to president obama. a lot of democrats have sought a similar technique. here is a piece from politico that you guys put together. >> a special interest bracket brought to you by out of state billionaires the koch brothers. they pick tom tillis to play for

them. the koch brothers out of state oil billionaires. the koch brothers are spending millions supporting joni ernest campaign. >> a win for the special interest. >> tom cotton the world's richest billionaires seek to make deals and spent millions to support cotton and cotton supports their attends and more tax breaks for the billionaires who host the secret conferences. >> oil billionaires like the koch brothers. >> out of state oil billionaires. trying to elect an out of state politician. >> so, mike, they are still at this! >> koch has life for the democrats. >> they are still at this. is this really all they got? >> even makes them look like mafia guys. to make this guilt by association. daniel lipman who helped put together this mondtage you see the same shots of them. democrats say in a time of

economic uncertainty, the koch brothers are the perfect foil. republicans say this is just what you do when you don't have anything else, when you have an unpopular president in a country that is clearly worried. >> mike allen, thank you very much. it's going to be interesting to see. >> it is. >> just doesn't look like it's been gaining traction. >> i don't think so. i think it's a little too convoluted. still ahead, a historic season for little leaguers. a wrap of the championship game ahead on "morning joe." >> this is fun. did you see this? >> so fun.

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around. what a weekend, roger bennett. you have yto start with the stoy of one of the most powerful franchise in the sports across the planet. i actually -- >> they are the yankees. >> i hate manu but i believe this guy is going to turn the team around. but, boy, a rough first two weeks. this happens. it happens with all great coaches. it's all about culture. i've been talking about culture this morning. it's going to take him a while but a rough start for manchester united. >> and it continues as the queen would say. >> that's what they would say. >> a legendary manager like an iconic kind of american coach style era defining gentleman, sir alex. >> one of the greatest coaches of all time anywhere. >> very hard to be the man who they replace. who they bring in is hard to be the man he replaces. he replaces a man who they start

off okay. >> a nice start. >> a fine goal here. a tiny little hobbit of a man. >> hobbit? >> they come back. jack is thumping one home. no one is afraid of manchts united any more. these are like in your terms the yankees. these are microsoft from game of thrones and they are absolutely flattened. they lack a coherent idea and lack a coherent philosophy. >> the last 20 minutes of this mat match, manchester's worst starts to the season since '92. the end of the road! >> you have to go all the way back. let's hope this horrible, horrible season continues for manu. >> two games in, it's too early

to make hyperbolick statements. >> i refer to hem as cipis. >> for a man who doesn't want to listen. >> who doesn't want to make sweeping statements. >> clear out of the way. i want to break roger's heart right now. roger, you showed me absolutely no mercy when stevie g. fell last season in liverpool and we lost. >> yes. >> i'm going to show you no morsi. >> go on. >> they go up 2-0. you own arsenal. it would be a massive win and a harbinger of wonderful things to come. dandelions sprouting all across mercy side. they blow it! >> thank god we didn't have any game action. >> you guys as we say in stateside pooped the bed. >> that is horrible! >> like jordan in wolf of wall

street which is uncharacter of them. they took advantage and 2-0 lead. we are watching these gentlemen walk out. >> it is unbelievable. this is some of the worst editing jobs and tell you why later. roger, this tape last night. a first header. what happened is in there. >> when everton went ahead. naismith is translucent. what you cannot see and cannot guard. probably offside. everton went 2-0. you don't have the game tape. a little bit like portugal. like a character in a crazy song. heart breaking. >> it is. >> is it really the case that the video that we had from that

match was of the part that didn't matter and the part that was really the dramatic exciting part? >> thank you, t.j. let's go to bigger news! other side of mercy side. you're going to have my liverpool playing man city. but there is really only one story line coming out of mercy side this week. >> go ahead. >> mario belatelli has come. perhaps a human being that rifles luis suarez and being absolutely horrible. the question is can liverpool tame his worse instinct? >> mario is like a dennis rodmanesque character. only 24. every team celebrates the day he arrives and a year later everybody celebrates the day he leaves them. he throws darts at youth players and sets a bathroom on fire by letting off fireworks there. >> his entire house burns down

and the next day he wears a shirt, "why always me?" >> you luis suarez bite defenders during the world cup so they need a little mayhem and rolling the dice. he's a risk. >> is it worth the risk? >> it is probably not worth the risk easement they got a bargain? >> but they need to take a risk because they need to close the gap between the number one and number two team and they need to be in the top four again. >> bellatelli is like buying a boat. the best day about having a boat is the day you buy it. >> the second favorite? >> the day you sell it. >> the day you sell it. number one plays number two this afternoon. 3:00 on nbc sports. i think now america is a properly football nation. i believe you have the day off. is that true? if not, take a sick day, america. it's going to be a wonderful game. >> i think i have to go. roger bennett, thank you. >> it's going to be a draw. >> you can catch today's match

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in news from twitter, the relationship between the u.s. and the united kingdom, we had a few bumps, particularly during a couple of wars. since then the brits have been one of our closest allies until yesterday. they tweeted commemorating the 200th anniversary of burning the white house. not everyone was laughing. >> that's not funny. >> they followed it up with apologies next.

>> very nice. let's move on. there was no shortage of memorable moments from the little league world series. let's go live in williamsport, pennsylvania with more. katie? >> reporter: a lot of good efforts. jackie robinson west took the field and although they gave it their all, they ended up losing, but have so much to be proud of. >> the windy city's boys of summer came out swinging. in the end, america's champions couldn't keep a lit on the bats from south korea. losing the little league world series, 8-4. >> they will share for the rest of their life. >> great job for chicago and great job for baseball. they showed what great baseball looks like at the age of 12. >> jackie robinson west walked away winners. they were a bright spot for the

southside of chicago that cheered on every pitch, play, and at-bat. they even impressed chicago mayor rahm emmanuel. thank you for inspiring the city with your positive attitude, spirit, and success. you will be champions of chicago. the 2014 tournament was record breaking from jackie robinson west making history as the 50 all african-american team to mo' ne davis who was not just the first girl to throw a shutout, but the youngest athlete ever to appear on the cover of "sports illustrated." pa. >> girl power! >> while they didn't make it all the way, you would never know it from the hero's welcome waiting for them when they got back to

philly. >> the philadelphia champion dragons! >> from start to finish, a lot of really good ball playing out here. we should mention las vegas who dominate the series until saturday when they lot of to chicago. president obama called them to congratulate them and tell them how well they play and how well they represented the city of chicago. >> nice. thank you very much. coming up at the top of the hour, emotions will be riding high in ferguson, missouri as michael brown will be laid to rest. sony's playstation network as a cyber attack took it down. is it safe? then, was it another wardrobe malfunction or a pr ploy? >> you know it is answer to this. >> to beyonce to miv.

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the san francisco bay area in almost 25 years. >> no one was killed, but 120 people were hurt and six critically. >> it's not like a snow globe when they are shaking it really hard. >> after weeks of violence, ferguson, missouri is trying to return to normal. it is finding itself at the center of a debate. >> it was confrontations like this where the local police across the country really need and are trained well enough to use military style equipment. >> did you know they have this firepower? >> not at all. >> the show of forces becoming a problem instead of a solution. >> you have to have community police. the second thing is we have to demilleitize our police officers. >> meanwhile president obama is returning to washington from vacation with a big decision to make. >> it's not weather to target air strikes to targets in syria.

>> i don't want to hear how he is reacting. i want to hear he has a strategy to finish isis off. >> they are the most prominent terrorist organization in the world. when america has a lot of bad things happen. >> we have the capability to defeat it. we have to have the will and the policy to do it. we have the first and we don't have the second. >> we have a lot to talk about today. the reemergence of isis. an american hostage released and they said hey, we have nothing to do with that. isis are the real bad guys. the tragedy of jim foley's death seemed to shake al qaeda up and seem to get them to release this american journalist. he has been held captive for two years. the eyes of america and the eyes of the world are going to be

fixed on ferguson, missouri today. michael brown is going to be buried. the question we need to ask is how do we stop this from happening again? it's basic. first of all, you look what happened in ferguson and new york city. two dramatically different places. we had protests about what happened in staten island, but a man was actually killed and ruled a homicide for selling loose cigarettes. terrible. what happened in ferguson did not happen during the protests. you had al sharpton going out and a lot of other people telling members of the crowd, the police are not the enemy. we want to make sure this never happens again. at the end of the day, it all goes down to respect. you had nonviolent protests and why?

huh community policing. you had a more representative force. new york city cops didn't leave the body in a street for 4 1/2 hours and officials moved quickly so they didn't seem like adversaries. they talked about a few, i will say. love to talk about the culture in ferguson. the resulture of the residents in ferguson. i think if we want to make sure it never happens again and it's in all of our best interests, we have to do what we have been hammering about. the culture and the police department of not only ferguson, but st. louis county. ask what went wrong there. it's in plain view of young children and make sure that the militarization of the local

police officers is reexamined. the president is talking about doing that. it can't happen again. it won't happen again. if officials actually treat the communities in the aftermath of these tragedies with more respect and dignity. that did not happen in ferguson. we have a contrast between what happened in ferguson and staten island. we still don't know what happened between the police officer and michael brown. there is an investigation going on. if it makes you feel better, talk about things you know nothing about. hatred and animosity. if that makes you feel good and if you want to say the cops did a great job without knowing whether they did, show how prejudice you are. or if you want to call the cop a murderer when you don't know what happened, show your ignorance. do that.

in staten island, we know what happened. there was a homicide. a man died for no good reason at all. i read a "new york times" article where a cop said you know what, i think this is outrageous that they are protesting this death. you should always give police officers the benefit of the doubt. well, no action you should. you should look at the evidence and let the evidence go with the evidence takes us. there must be justice whether for a police officer that had every reason to believe that he or she was in danger or whether it's for the person who was injured or killed by police brutality. we don't give anybody the benefit of the doubt. the accused of course is presumed innocent, right? presumed innocent, but we have to wait until the information

comes in. beyond all that, if we saw more dignity and a little more respect for the community involved here, we can avoid another long hot august. >> that's the issue of culture. how do you build that bank of trust with the community so things don't boil over. new york city has problems. the stop and frisk problem led to a conversation. they had officials come in and address them and there were meetings and everybody talkeded about it and the issue of race was right there. people were not afraid to figure out how to address it. you had ferguson and you had the mayor saying we don't have a race problem. >> we don't have a race problem. it's unbelievable. you have al sharpton if you talk to him, even in the middle of all these crisis, it's different than we had back in the 1980s and 1990s. you ask him what he thinks about bill brat on and he said he was

an ally. we disagree, but we are trying to work together. that's community policing. it's not that hard. if you have a police force with 50 white people and three black people in a community that is overwhelmingly black, just go ahead and take out the match, light the fuse and wait for something to blow up. it's going to blow up. >> that's the point you made earlier. 4 1/2 hours for that 18-year-old boy bleeding out on the street in ferguson, unattended to. you imagine -- if anyone doesn't think race has going do with this, imagine this happening in a upper class white suburb. imagine the richest suburb, you

can't imagine a white teen being left on the ground. >> if a republican president had done this, they would be killed by the new york times. let's reverse it around, an 18-year-old white boy. 18-year-old white boy in a rich suburban community is shot six times by a black cop and then a group of black cops stand around the body for 15 minutes and let this white boy bleed out and die in the burning sun and the pool of blood there. oh, my god. >> and the body uncollected for 4 1/2 hours. >> and they don't take the body off the street for 4 1/2 hours. a lot of officials would be fired the next day. >> that tells you a lot.

you cannot run away. >> you can't do it. there were conservative politicians and talking about eric erickson. he said let's not wait for a white kid to get shot before we can start being outraged by what's going on. that's great. >> it is great. as we look at what you are talking about -- >> why weren't their more whites in the crowd protesting? >> it's important as you talk about a great deal of planting new seeds in police forces around the country to enhance police forces. police are very strong and the first people we call when the chips are down. they are the first responders. >> i believe this is the exception, not the rule. so many great cops. that's why when i showed the picture up, i'm not talking about police brutality, but a

lack of culture in one police department there. we all paid for it because they lacked that culture and they can't train these kids you don't point guns at protesters. it's a lack of culture and a break down in culture. all the leaders in ferguson should be fired. >> you made a point about community culture and police culture and being invited into the communities. >> by the parents. this makes conservative commentators very angry. >> if we need to look at this, we need to lock at the associate contract together. this is a young boy who was an american and gets the adjective in front of him as a black american. if we have white americans and asian americans and gay americans. if we break down and show up as united minorities for each other and try to get this up, there

not a lot of diverse faces in the crowd. some, but not enough. that will make the difference. when enough diverse faces show up, they will help raise the conversation it a different level. >> makes a big difference. not enough in st. louis. >> you have different facets of the story playing out. an investigation we should let it play out without making opinions on that and money being raised at the defense of the cop. $300,000 and more in a matter of days. they set up a different website and hearings about the weaponry being given. clair mccaskill showing some. >> we don't know if this cop is innocent or used excessive

force. it may have been reasonable and this guy will have to hire lawyers because in america he has a right to a defense. >> another layer is the prosecutor. the question is whether or not his ties to law enforcement makes him biased. there so many layers to the story. >> what takes so long? the crowd is a basic crime scene. they have to carry out a proper investigation. we covered stories like this for years and years and can't be done in days. i think another layer is whether or not the police department in all the facets of what is available right now should be made available to everybody and the convenience store video was. >> why is that the only thing that the police have made available? >> that's a good question. >> we heard the police officer's face was pounded in and it

looked very bad. release that picture if you want to. there basic things. you can tell from what range he shot from. if he shot from one foot -- >> they showed certain pieces of information, but the entire police report? why can't they just let everything they have. >> it clearly exacerbated the problems that the law enforcement released an unrelated video of michael brown in the alleged robbery without having put out the autopsy or police report and a lot of basic information. at this point if you want to put out information, put it all out, but you can't selectively put out the incriminating and withhold the other things you learned from the private autopsy and we haven't seen it. >> it's questionable.

>> there is a lot of information. it would go a long way towards establishing faith in the investigation if you were more open about it. right now it's feeling like there is a cover uptaking place in the community. they feel that way. >> there is no trust. >> the facts are the facts are the facts. if they have the facts, release them and let people look at what's happened. with us now from st. louis, we have nbc news's craig melvin. we ask you whether we think we will get more information from the police about the shooting and the circumstances surrounding this shooting. how long that's going to take. of course today all eyes are on ferguson because of the funeral of this young 18-year-old man. >> quickly, the first point you raised, we talked to a spokesperson and there was an indication we will not get the answers to a lot of those

questions until mid-october for a variety of reasons. the investigation and the grand jury here only meets once a week. early to mid-october at the earliest. meanwhile the church seats about 4,000. this is the missionary baptist church they expect to be filled to capacity. politicians and three representatives from the white house. bishop td and jakes and spike lee. not confirmed. i spent time talking to the parents of michael brown and the parents of trayvon martin. they were together for a joint peace rally here in ferguson. i asked them both what it's like to prepare to bury a child who has sparked a national conversation. this is their response.

>> [inaudible]. >> when you find yourself in that dark room and no lights on, no cameras on, that's when you find out what you're made of. when you are all alone. that's when you find out what you're made of. it's only you and it's only god. you have to ask him to help you get through your tough time. >> reporter: we had a bit of an audio problem from michael brown sr., but he was saying there is nothing that prepares you to bury a son. also we should note he asked people not to protest today. peaceful or otherwise. he wants this to be a solemn, somber, quiet day to remember

his son. >> craig melvin, thank you. other news, an american writer is free after being kidnapped nearly two years ago in syria. qatar helped release him and it's unclear what triggered the release. money did not change hands. the 45-year-old was being held captive from a group that was fighting syria's government. british officials have identified the islamic state militant who they believe beheaded american journalist james foley. his name has not been released, but they are closing in on him. a 24-year-old man was arrested after scaling the brooklyn bridge. >> this bothers you, doesn't it? >> it bothered me the first time when someone changed the flag out. this is a huge terrorist. >> this is terrible reporting. johna heilman. >> this kid goes up there and

takes photos and it's caught on video. police noticed the man after he passed a security barrier and climbed a support beam on the brooklyn side and snapped pictures. look at him. he was taken into custody when he descended and faces possible charges of criminal trespassing and reckless endangerment. this comes after two german artists took credit for swapping out two american flags with white flags. that should be the sign that you have a security problem on a major american landmark. moving on, burger king is in talks to buy a canadian fast food chain and it could be the latest company to move headquarters off u.s. soil. they are thinking of acquiring tim horton's creating one of the biggest fast food empires in the world at $18 billion and they will keep a lot of money they make. >> they will keep the money and

we will have to pay their taxes. you know what i'm going to do to afford to pay burger king's taxes? i'm not going to go to burger king. a lot of americans are going to go to burger king if they're going cheat on their taxes. i think we should make sure that all burger king officials have to move to canada if they want to. what's that about? it's wrong for them to do this. they are stealing money from us. they get the benefits of living here. their families get the benefits of living here and going to american schools and being educated here in american schools and they are working here, but they don't pay our taxes. >> they are not alone. you can and a lot of major companies are doing this. >> i'm a free market guy, but these people should be punished in the free market. >> how do you punish them? why don't you make's deal and lower the tax rate and help they

repatriate. >> everything sucks now. >> it's unhealthy. >> it will be the first really test of the canadian health care system. >> we'll see. >> i have an idea about the brooklyn bridge thing. why not just charge people? >> i always wanted to go up there. i have secretly dreamed of climbing up there and it looks easy and i love heights and think i could do it. i want to go up there. >> why not make a money making venture. we are paying good police officers to chase after them. >> i want to go up. do you know how beautiful the view would be? >> i saw pictures. >> that would be awesome. >> i don't like going above the second floor. >> still ahead on "morning joe," beyonce and her daughter, blue ivy. >> so cute.

>> i was thinking about calling my daughter blue ivy and then i get off my acid trip. the emmys are coming up. up next, what do we have? >> large scale earthquakes in california and peru. we will talk to someone from the geological survey to assure us that the end of the world is not in sight. first bill with the forecast. >> you only live ones. on the east coast, we determined this tropical storm was not going to move your way. it will parallel the coast. here we go to peak hurricane season. we will have a hurricane off the coast and very little effect besides the large waves. no wind or water problems. cristobal is over the turks and caicos and did produce flooding in puerto rico and dominican republic. this is what we like to see.

we call it a fish storm. the only area that is it will be affecting, it will hit bermuda in the days ahead. the story on the lower fre48 remains the heat. yesterday was 102 in florida, the hottest day ever recorded. we were easily 100 from texas to oklahoma. heat warning around st. louis. if people are back in school and all the sports teams are out there playing in this, it's not pretty. st. louis will remain hot through the middle of the week and cooling off towards friday. this is the last full week in august and it will feel like summer. we are not going to see a cool off until the end of the week, especially the heartland. you are watching "morning joe." new york city even warming up. we'll be right back. vo: this is the summer.

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earthquake was shaking the whole store. we have panels from the ceiling coming down. >> reaction to the early morning earthquake that jolted northern california, the strongest quake in the area since 1989. richard? >> 25 years since they had seen an earthquake this large, a 6.0 happening outside of napa. this is what happened. this is the oldest masonry building in napa of this type. 1875. it used to be a chinese laundry. now it is a wine tasting room. good thing this didn't happen a day before. 200 people were injured, but one person still in critical condition as we understand. a day before, they had a wine and cheese event that was filled here in the streets with trucks and tourists. i want to show you that awning. the police officers were telling

us earlier had there been the earthquake a day before, folks might have been hanging out in the streets. as they look forward tomorrow, as you know with returns and tornad tornados. that's because of the aftershocks. expect many, many more. >> joining us now the director of hazards at the u.s. geological services. thank you for being on this morning. give me a sense of how aftershocks play out and how many can there be and how predictable and how effective was the alert in this case? >> as pointed out, this was the challenge for earthquakes. they keep on coming. we estimate there is about a 50-50 chance we could have a magnitude 5 event within the next week. we had a series of ones in the

2-3 range and smaller. we have an early warning system for california and japan has that already. that would provide several seconds of warning for the bay area. this is a test of that system. in anticipation of larger events in the future. >> i am wondering, if you get an a leader and people have experienced training as to what to do. are there a lot of options? >> great question. the first thing about 10 seconds, that's nothing. being able to raise the doors so they are not trapped in there. that's a key piece and getting

people under a cover and before the strong shaking arises. along with the buildings that don't fall down. that's here with the older buildings and storefront. a lot of people live in wood frame buildings and they have good building codes in california. it happened in the middle of the night. earthquakes don't kill people. buildings kill people. >> i grew up in california and spend time in san francisco. especially given the spread of cell phones where the emergency warnings could come through, 8 or 10 seconds would help given the duck and cover instruction and the that we had to get inside a door frame, it wouldn't be the worse thing in the world.

there might be lives saved. >> it doesn't replace the importance of building codes and understand where earthquakes happen, but in the bay area we have a series of faults we know are part of the system moving the pacific plate against the northern american plate. this is an ongoing issue and a future hazard. how do people know what to do? we have the great shake out that happens and an opportunity for people to get used to that. that will determine life after the event. >> it has been hit since 1989. we have 24 and under that have never faced anything like this. this does provide a lot of older buildings that hit the hardest

with that opportunity. do you think they should make retro fitting mandatory? >> a lot of the buildings in california especially residential, you are looking at a wood construction. you think about a place like right behind me here, the capitol building and a lot of areas of the country, earthquakes are a national hazard and we align with the virginia earthquake. there a lot of these masonry buildings, older brick structures that absolutely pose an ongoing threat. it's an important consideration. there cost factors, but when you come to safety, this is an important aspect. >> thank you very much for being on the show this morning. coming up, a big night for music's biggest stars at the vmas including a miley cyrus shocker, but not for the reasons

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>> the nominees for best pop video are. >> no awards show gets hollyweird like the video music awards. it's the hollyweird super bowl. nicki minaj opened with anaconda, but when it came time for a wardrobe change, minaj was caught holding her dress together for dear life, fingers away from a wardrobe malfunction. >> forming her latest single, shake it off. it shook accordingly. miley cyrus was, well, i'm not sure. are you okay there, miley? >> the vma goes to -- miley cyrus! >> this year miley managed to

make her presence felt without "dirty dancing" or uttering a word with that crazy tongue by sending up a young homeless man who accepted the video award on her behalf. >> i'm accepting this on behalf of the 1.6 million runaways and youth who are starving, lot of and scared for their lives. i know this because i'm one of these people. >> it was queen bee who owned and closed the night. with a 20 minute long performance that included all 15 songs off her new album. jay z and daughter looked on before jay z presented her with the michael jackson video award. >> and the recipient of the award and the greatest entertainer, beyonce. >> i love y'all so much. my beloved, i love you.

mtv, i love you. good night. >> i always say my little 11-year-old girl and i say this is beyonce's world, we are just visiting. thanks for that recap. you creep us out, but that's okay. >> that voice. >> chief creative officer. nbc content. for the billboard, quite a night. it wasn't only beyonce's night, i have been noticing for the past several years, other than maroon five getting every few song, enough of maroon 5 already. they are all women. women dominate radio in a way they never have in 60 years of rock history. >> it's amazing when you look at the three women who opened the show. nicky minaj, jesse j and arianna

grandee. they are the hottest things in music. >> at the top of that, taylor swift selling a gozillion albums. >> about to launch a huge album that will probably be the first million seller since she last sold a million. >> the last male artist to sell that many was tom petty. the best album in 60 years. >> 63-year-old tom petty. women are in charge now. >> women are on social media a lot more. teenage girls love to talk about other girls. these are the cool chicks right now. they wear the clothes and they have the look.

anyway, be that as it may, look what they are saying. can you interpret that for me? >> that's horrible. please, i'm not really -- i'm a cave man lawyer and i don't understand your strange ways. >> i didn't say i liked it. there is talking right there too. let's move on. i'm going to stop looking at the screen. you were talking about how terribly -- it's a race to the bottom. terribly how they dress. why do they go out of their way to just dress -- >> this is the brand of the mvt vmas. we are all too old for mtv. >> thank god. >> the brand is to shock and horrify people like us and it makes the kids feel good. the amazing thing is we might sit here and say it's not about

music anymore. nobody watches it. for kids it means something. they have been able to stay young without having their audience grow old with them. >> i'm not sure if someone 45 showed up banging. she looked good. >> some might say it's too much if you are j-lo to turn up at the vmas. >> i get two words. age appropriate. that makes me 387 pounds. >> you look perfect. >> let's get to serious stuff. the emmys. who do you like? >> i'm going to say there is no chance for john hamm. i think john hamm, it works against women and it works against men too. he is too good-looking for his own good. >> that's my problem. is that what you are thinking? why are you laughing? >> he will be the most nominated

to ever not win. it will be his seventh year. mad men is off its game and didn't have the buzz and the ratings. there hot newcomer shows that people like more. >> who wins? breaking bad, game thrones, downton abby. >> this is something that could happen. it could be a war against breaking bad and -- >> house of cars. >> no, true detective. they will split the vote and game of thrones will come in for the upset. >> it will shoot in through the middle. orange is the new black and silicon valley, that's my pick. big bang theory and "veep." >> you will be disappointed. >> silicon valley will be in last place. >> the darling is orange is the new black. it has everything going for it. the transgendered nominee and one the of the hottest show

create ares and it's on netflix. >> another show that we are talking about women. this is an incredible cast of women. >> very diverse women. probably the most diverse show on television. it's not on television. >> crazy eyes won the emmy. >> crazy eyes. >> if carrie washington wins for scandal as lead actress, she would be the first black actress to win that category. what is this? 1967? sydney portier going to come on? never. >> in a different category. >> that's crazy. >> it's amazing and goes to show how long it took for broadcast television to put out a great black actress role. >> do you have a favorite? >> for which particular thing? >> comedy. "veep." >> i love "veep."

i'm an hbo. i think "veep" and true detective. true detective would be my pick. i think it's brilliant and creates a new form and the wave of the future for these. >> i think they love julia louis dreyfus. >> all the actresses are nominated who are not funny in comedy. julia louis dreyfus is a true comedian. they brougadly defines that. >> i have to say for "veep," she expanded out her and it took on a different tone. >> she is incredible. amazing. >> the emmys here tonight, 8:00 on nbc. >> they will be dressing well. >> we hope. come back. the latest issue of hollywood

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>> welcome back to "morning joe." >> what just happened? >> exactly. >> that's amazing. third seconds. talk. >> i learned that joe has strange phobias about earthquakes and maroon 5. >> the second is understood. >> don't hang out with them. >> that's good. i learned that too. >> it's getting a shock. you survive.

>> exactly. it's way too early. >> it's like rap. >> it's way too early. what time is it? >> about 4:30 i have to wake up every morning. it's "morning joe." we have chuck todd live in new york. see you tomorrow. >> no man is an island. president obama back in washington facing a crisscross of crisis at home and abroad. most of the concerns on isis and what the u.s. plans to do to stop their spread. also happening this morning, funeral services for michael brown in st. louis. we will go there live and hear more from nbc's exclusive interview with brown's parents and the parents of trayvon martin. >> a pair of babies, a class of 94 conservative and a defense policy decision maker all weigh in on