rest. it is monday, august 25th. this is "now." >> this is about justice. >> st. louis, missouri, the funeral is taking place for michael brown. >> the young man across the nation. >> he was shot and killed bay police officer. >> michael brown's blood is crying from the ground. >> you have somebody who was unarmed, who was shot. >> a public killer. the people need some relief. some finality. >> if it were not a police person, we would expect an indictment. >> it's time to deal with policing. >> a new civil rights movement is being resurrected. >> we have had enough of the senseless killing. >> they want his legacy to be about peace. >> he was an american citizen. we will not accept 3/5 justice.

>> justice is -- justice is -- >> today, the parents and relatives of michael brown laid their 18-year-old to rest as the country looked on. the friendly temple missionary baptist church in st. louis was the scene of outpouring for the brown family, a day where love, grief and anger were summoned at the funeral for a young man taken away violently and too soon. >> michael was a big guy, but he was a kind, gentle soul. >> i would be lying if i said i'm still anger in my heart. i can't be no fool. you have to do it the right way. you got to keep our dollars in

our pockets. we have to look out for each other. >> he wanted to go to college and have a family. he wanted to be a good father. god chose differently and i'm at peace about that. he's not a lost soul. his death is not in vain. >> any commemoration of brown's life brought into sharp focus questions unanswered. most regarding race. this morning's new york times details standard juvenile struggles, but chose to describe the teenager as, quote, no angel. that sparked a flood of angry reacts and a hashtag and "the new york times" is guilty of racial standards. it's something they dispute. today, tributes were mixed with calls for justice and pleas bigger to emerge from his death.

>> he was not 3/5 of a citizen. he was an american citizen. we will not accept 3/5 justice. we will demand equal justice for michael brown jr. >> the value of this boy's life must be answered by somebody. this is about justice. this is about fairness. and america is going to have to come to terms with there's something wrong, that we have money to give military equipment to police forces, but we don't have money for training and moneying if public education and money to train our children. >> joining me now is harvard law school professor and staff writer for slate. let me start with you. reverend sharpton said --

determined by the fact something went wrong. i look at this case and i wonder, do you think there is a great likelihood that we -- national acknowledgement to say nothing of local? >> i think this is just like the asassuation of dr. king. it's like the killing of trayvon martin two years ago and people looking for help. this is a young man who did know wrong in the context of what people were talking about. here is a young man and the photographs show it, had his hand up, said don't shoot me, was not armed and was shot more than six times. i think this reminds us of what happens years ago, when i was a

young kid tor the son. this is worse because michael brown did not break any law at all in terms of the police officer. the most that ever happened in this case, he was looking at cigars, took some cigar that is were a misdemeanor. you are, in a sense, punished for that if you want to be punished in the law as a misdemeanor. but he was shot and killed despite trying to say to the police officer, don't shoot, don't shoot. it didn't help at all. >> martin luther king were huge moments. joshua, the president's spiritual adviser, he thinks it's the beginning of a real awakening of the civil rights movement. what should that look like to your mind, then? >> i think -- >> are there specific thing that is should be asked for on the national stage? >> i think, first of all, we

have to make sure our children are safe. we went through it in the '50s and the '60s and this century as well. we went through it with the deaths that happened before. i think it is a new civil rights movement. you see people at this funeral, 2500 people inside and hundreds of people outside trying to get in. it shows this has had not just a local or national, but global reaction around the world. people from as far away as australia and the united kingdom, other parts of the world are saying look what happened. this is a movement like we have seen before, a multiracial movement, black, brown, white, male, female, every political party. you see them marching. i think we are going to see them keep marching until we see justice for michael brown. this is a reminder we may have come a long way with a black president, black attorney

general, black people, women on the supreme court. we have made progress, but we are seeing in the criminal justice system, we are taking huge step back. we have to stop that slide backwards and try to figure out how to have justice for children like michael brown and other children like him who were simply walking the streets and find them shot and killed by a police officer. it happens in new jersey, new york, washington, california, chicago, there's no place the kids are safe, even from other kids. the reality is, we have to figure out what is wrong? how do we fix it? how do we get kids back to school? in the racial profiling we are seeing over and over again. >> we talk about the reminders there's a huge gulf of people with different skin color and those with the same skin color.

i want to talk about michael brown as no angel. you said there is a straight line from the little black boys being suspended in preschool to this nonsense. tell me more about the sort of insidious quality of the no angel line, to your mind. >> the reality is -- >> professor -- professor -- professor, i'm going to let jamal take this one. tell me why you think it's insidious? >> sure. we know as a matter of observation of social science that people attach aggressive violence to african-american, african-american boys. you see this play out, especially in how younger african-american boys are treated in classrooms, hence the thing about suspensions. little black boys are suspended from preschool, a drastic thing to begin with. they are suspended at a rate far

beyond the white counter parts. what that attests to is ordinary behavior from a little boy, you know, talking in class, you know, being rambunctious on a playground. it's seen as being aggressive. you negotiation when people look at michael brown's ordinary teenage behavior, you know, using marijuana, drinking alcohol, shoplifting, things that can say for absolute certainty that i know my white peers in high school and college did or they look at ordinary teenage behavior and say this is ind kaytive of thug behavior or he is no angel. i think that very much is part of a general tendency to interpret behavior from black

males as being somehow beyond the pale when it's ordinary. >> do you think that -- the professor talks about civil rights. stereotyping and bias are pushed under the surface. they were more explit plis sit in the '60s. jim crow laws. yet, folks are reluctant to acknowledge them and therefore the fight becomes more nuanced than it was 50 years ago. do you think that's fair to say? >> i think it is fair to say. one of the interesting transformations about american conversations and racism is that because we no longer have this explicit system of apartheid like jim crow, it's become easy for people to say we don't have inequalities. racism is the worst taboos in

the american way. if you say anything that hints at racism, you are going to be excoriated in public life. those two things create the perception that the problem is no longer there. obviously, that's not the case. it's how northern whites in the '60s understood themselves with racism. many saw the lack of explicit anti-black laws, the general taboo and said we don't really have a race problem. in fact, there were broad systems and broad institutions of racial discrimination in the north that creates, you know, racial disadvantage that was as bad or worse in the south. right now, the united states where the north was in the 60s. we have the broad inequalities and the physical instances of racial discrimination and

systemic disadvantage. because there's nothing explicit about it, we say it's not a problem. ferguson demonstrates there's a problem. >> professor, mark had strong words in terms of where we have come. he contends things, racially in this country have gotten worse since january 20th, 2009. there was a sense that the country had turned the corner. i think today there may be a sense that progress has been a step forward and two steps back. >> let me apologize for interrupting before. >> it's okay. >> i think what mark had to say is right on point. he only crystallizes what i have been saying for a long time. i had both president obama and the first lady, michelle obama as mentors -- men tees when they were students at harvard.

the intolerance of race is much greater. now people see a divide between individuals. we have a long way to go and i think we have to sit down person-to-person and have this dialogue and do the same thing dr. king did, the same thing andy young did, having the dialogues with people and making sure people understand the color of your skin does not determine your ability to be successful. it's what you have heard from others in the program. that's what we have to do to go forward. >> thank you for your time and thoughts. >> thank you. >> my pleasure. after the break, the white house announced new action in response to outcry over police militarization. we have the way forward and the push back next on "now yts. t's d an "all you can eat" buffet... and not a "have just a little" buffet. because what we all really want is more. that's why verizon is giving you even more. now, for a limited time, get more data! 1 gb of bonus data every month

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pictures of ferguson's heavily armored police, weapons drawn, walking along vehicles firing tear gas and rubber bullets will be among the most enduring images in the wake of michael brown's death. will it lead to reform? saturday, "the new york times" said president obama ordered a comprehensive review of the flow of military equipment in the hands of police departments. in the aftermath of 9/11, they have handed out $34 billion in grants to local departments to buy up gear to combat domestic terrorism. the program is handed over another $4.3 billion in access equipment from the wars in afghanistan and iraq. it's put that machinery on to our nation's streets. sunday, attorney general, eric holder, says displays of force in response to mostly peaceful

demonstration ks be counter productive. it makes sense to take a look at whether the equipment is used for the right purposes. the pentagon program when it returns in september. with lobbyists and defense contractors happy with the status quo, whether there's enough will to take heavy armor off the streets remains a different matter. joining me now is new york times reporter and co-author of "enmys within," matt apu zoe. thanks for joining me. you have been covering it extensively for "the new york times." for all the news about the white house ordered review about what we are putting on american streets, how optimistic are you that change may come to the policy, given the incentive or -- let's start, the lobbying efforts on behalf of defense contractors, military

contractors and all officer associations representing 1600 s.w.a.t. groups across the country. they do not want to see it change. >> two steps. the thing that is most interesting right now in the city is that it took what happened in ferguson in 2014 to prompt a comprehensive review of what has basically been america's counterterrorism strategy. the fact someone is looking at this for the first time on a wholesale level is really significant. at least it's a possibility of the first, most certainly most significant correction on the strategy since 9/11. whether it will happen, i'm not sure. for me, it's not the lobbyist that is are the big ones. it's the fact that we are americans. we want to support our police departments. a lot of people in congress want

to make sure police departments and their cities and constituents get the best stuff. >> let me ask you, to that point, the reality that this has been going on. the program has been in place a long time. there's a headline 11 chilling facts about america's militarized police force. they are making big bucks selling equipment to agencies and dhs grants. you just said that there is that, the defense contractors and then the reality americans want to support their police forces and keep the country safe, which is totally understandable on some level. if you had to assess how we got here, how much of this militarized reality is underpinnings and how much does it rise from legitimate concerns about safety? >> like so much after 9/11, a lot of it came down to fear. after 9/11, the fear was in

washington and frankly a lot of places around the country, terrorists could hit anywhere next. big cities, obviously in new york, l.a., chicago, you know, called out for more equipment, more gear, more training and then pretty soon, small and medium sized cities followed suit in small towns. this kind of equipment became the norm. so, you are talking, really, about the push. i mean the push from washington, the push of the gear and the money. the only criticism we heard of the programs the last ten years was are we getting the money out fast enough. are we getting our fair share? there have been audits raising questions for years, the fact nobody knows what equipment is out there and certainly not whether police are trained to use it. it's always been do we have the equipment that police officers need to keep us safe? are we ready for another attack?

are we prepared? it's driven by that fear that we are armed and fortified for whatever they throw at us. they, being the terrorist. >> the rollback of the 1033 program is too aggressive for congress, there are more incremental steps we could take including claire mccaskill with the national guard so it's used only when needed and there's overnight. there's also the reality the aclu reported, the federal government requires agencies that received equipment to use it within one year of receipt. there's a preverse incentive to use the heavy armor, regardless of whether it's needed. do you think those are areas we could see some kind of change? >> sure. the law, the one year requirement says it has to be put into use. now you could argue that maybe there's confusion at the local level. i got an m-16 i have to use it.

basically, i think it means tough make it available for police department use. you can't keep it warehoused somewhere. again, clarity, maybe we'll get more with the coming congress. >> i think it's a good thing that we have some kind of optimism about this. "the new york times" matt apuzzo, thank you for your time. >> thanks a lot. coming up t bay area faces the largest earthquake in a quarter century t. latest of series that include wildfires, erupting volcanos. (birds chirping softly in background.) (loud engine sounds!) what! how's it going? heard you need a ride to school. i know just the thing to help you get going. power up with new cheerios protein.

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captured one of the largest military air bases tightening the control of the syria-iraq border. u.s. officials from the pentagon and the white house escalated their rhetoric against isis but is unclear exactly how or if the american military mission against the group may change. at this point, air strikes in syria remain the biggest question mark. speaking to reporters moments ago, josh earnest said the president had not yet made a decision on whether he will pursue military action in syria. >> the president has not made a decision on military action in syria. i can also tell you, as i mentioned earlier that the department of defense has personnel who are responsible, and they can tell you, for ensuring the commander in chief has access to the kind of plans and contingencies that he may

need, if necessary. >> joining me now is investigative reporter for reuters, david road and correspondent for "the new york times," mark mozetti. mark, let me start the would you. "the washington post" is reporting isis may have gained surface-to-air missiles in syria. you had a piece this weekend detailing the opposing views about just how much of a threat isis poses to the west. how much do you think this latest acquisition, if you will, changes the calculation and do you think the white house given the opening of the door to air strikes, do you think it's reflective of a newly emboldened white house? >> well you certainly heard the rhetoric last week escalate quite a bit about not only what the white house may do, but also the threat that isis poses directly to the united states.

your point, there's no question that isis has a large arsenal, they are tanks and a tremendous amount of money. it's something that american officials are concerned about. the question is, what is their immediate short term goal, medium goal, to con sal date and expand their territory and whether they have a goal of directly attacking the united states. i think the story we wrote over the weekend was to try to better understand what distinguishes isis from more traditional terrorist groups like al qaeda with a singular focus of attacking the west. >> david, to mark's point, what distinguishes isis. isis has $2 billion. $1 billion from oil, $400 million from robbing banks, $95 million from laundering con compared to the taliban. it's amazing how quickly they

ascended. knowing what we know now, do you think there will be more of a campaign to cut off their sources of revenue? >> there could be but it's almost too late. they are more effective in creating an islamic state. they are good with social media and recruiting people. i think it's too late. there are individuals from the gulf funding the islamic state, not governments, but governments turned a blind eye. oil that is struggled into turkey, turkey hasn't stopped them from smuggling the oil. governments in the region, they have been surprised by this. no one is sure how to respond. as mark talked, they are a powerful, successful group, but do they want to attack the united states? >> mark, to the underestimate of isis and its capabilities, i

want to talk about bashar al assad. he is opening the door to american and british air strikes, which is not something we thought we would see with the cave caveat, it has to be done with their government. isis has been in his backyard and used it as leverage. do you think he is caught off guard by how violent, brutal and successful they have been in recent months? >> i'm sure he is. they are a tremendous concern to him, to his -- to his regime and it's extraordinary that it was only a year ago we were at this same period of time talking air strikes in syria against assad. he's happy it changed to one of his enemies, his primary enemy, isis. it really then puts the obama administration in an awkward position where they are considering air strikes against a group that ultimately, if it

were weakened would ultimately help assad. >> that's -- let me follow on that. the old adage, the enemy is the enemy is my friend. that doesn't hold true in some parts of the world. in this case, helping out al assad does not interest the united states. >> we have seen for three years president obama wrestle with this policy, wrestle about whether we should intervene at all. it was talking about trying to take stuff to weaken assad. now, we hear the white house saying they are considering striking syria. again, we need to keep focus on the fact it would not be air strakes to weaken assad, fwou weaken a group that assad is oppose zed to. >> david, one reason, there have been a number of reasons in the shift around isis, but the execution of jim foley has been

an inflection if not a turning point. we know theo curtis was released over the weekend, which is good news. to how it happened. you know, tell me more about your analysis of this situation and what it bodes for other american hostages? >> the most important thing is who are the captors. theo curtis was released by a different group than those that killed foley. he was killed ea british citizen. there are hundreds of europeans fighting with the islamic state and dozens of americans. will they come back and carry out attacks there? that's why the killing was so chilling. it was carried out by a british person. this is a group that is aligned with al qaeda but also backed by

them. we realize these are signs you can't control. they use the jihadi groups. the release is a tremendous thing, it's wonderful, but it's not going to help the other americans held by islamic state. they don't have that kind of influence with the islamic state. >> do you think the strengthening, if you will, the strengthening helps combat i si. ? >> the lesson, we saw it in afghanistan, you cannot control jihadi groups, you have to combat them. you can't stop their spread. again, look how fast the islamic state has grown. it's a very, very dangerous dynamic. >> they are now calling themselves islamic state. they are putting out annual reports. the intent is to take over the region. let me talk about the citizen

that may have been identifies as the executioner or involved in the killing of foley. the question is, that execution in that video gained currency in dark corners of the internet and extremist forums. to avoid making this executioner a hero in these certain circles to avoid making a killing of him into a mardordom. he hold as sway globally. >> it's tough to imagine the mind set, then try to combat the mind set that would lead someone to form the execution, then try to figure out who might find this as something that was to be praised. so, i don't think that the united states is particularly good at getting inside the mind

set of these people. i think they can try to get others to try to combat it more locally. certainly, the british citizen issue is enormously big deal. so many of the people within it have western passports. >> thank you for your time and thoughts. >> thank you. coming up, wisconsin's governor, scott walker becomes the latest republican leader to have his name mentioned in the same sentence as the phrase, criminal investigation. details ahead.

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a vacation from h-e double hockey sticks. president obama is back in washington. it seemed like he was hardly off the clock. after 15 days in martha's vineyard and no shortage of domestic crises, he met with chuck hagel this morning before sitting down with senior advisers in the ovl office. the killing of michael brown and isis murdered american journalist james foley. there was something else the president planned to address this summer. >> i have directed secretary

johnson and attorney general holder to identify additional actions by administration can take on our own within my existing legal authorities to do what congress refuses to do and fix as much of the immigration as we can. if congress will not do thank you job, at least we can do ours. i expect their recommendations before the end of summer. i intend to adopt the recommendations without further delay. >> back in june, the president promised to take action to provide relief to the nearly 12 million immigrants in the country without documents. with only a week until labor day, that end of summer deadline is rapidly approaching and there is not a lot of indication that the administration intends to meet it. friday, eric schultz said he had no announcements on immigration policy and quote, i'm not sure of the status of recommendations incoming to the white house. those pushing for action, told

the hill he's had no indication of what the administration is thinking in terms of executive action. joining me now is washington post columnist and senior fellow of governance study at brookings institute, e.j. how did the white house get to that which seems like it's between a rock and a hard place. >> i think the president could repeal the month of august. it has been -- there's not been a good august for president obama. i guess he can't do that. that, he would be impeached for. i think that this -- this deadline, i think, is not a deadline the white house wishes it had. i have been told there are folks in there who think it would have been better to do this outside the context of the election. >> yeah. >> because the political effect of this is complicated.

if you look and senators like landrieu and hagen, it's not clear that aggressive action on immigration would help them. it might help senator udall. that's one problem. the other issue, i think they are walking a careful line here where they want to do something substantial when they do it. by the way, the formal end of summer is september 21st. >> you are going by the lunar and solar calendar. >> not the boring old calendar. go ahead, e.j. >> yeah, but i think they want to be careful that they don't overstep what they think is legally authorized because they know the republicans are going to call to impeach him no matter what he does. they don't want to open the door to the attacks to make it easier. on the other hand, if they are too narrow, too careful, they

are going to be hit by latino allies. this is a very, very hard thing they are undertaking right now. >> my question is, you mention the senate races, which is the hard space between the rock and the hard place set up. the white house long term goal is not to have republicans take the upper chamber and do anything to endanger democratic control, which is not in the best interest of not only the democratic party, but in terms of the white house. it could be a miserable two years if the republicans are in charge of both house and congress. it's not a mystery. the grasp the democrats have on the upper chamber is something we have been talking about for months. why do you think the president sent that deadline out this summer, knowing anything before november could be hazardous to his own party? >> i think there were democratic senators pressing him to act quickly and clearly there was a lot of alienation among latino

activists who are frustrated congress isn't passing immigration reform and taking it out on the president. if they don't act, why don't you act? there was real political pressure here to act. i think, you know, to complicate the lock side of this, if there are some risks in not acting, there's another risk, latinos are not going to turn out. >> right. >> i think they do, latinos loom bigger in some states than others. in close races, like in north carolina, for example, when president obama carried north carolina in 2008, the latino vote did make a difference on his behalf there. so, you know, the balancing act on the politics can be difficult. i think they got stuck here. i think it's going to be interesting to see if they stick with this or find a way to take action but keep the majority of

the action down the road until the election. >> you talked about the impeachment republicans are stricken with. do you think it's strange to suggest that it, you know, if republicans continue on with the impeachment calls, if the president announces executive action, yes, that riles up the conservative base. in showing the strength, it would rile up his own base and encourage democratic participation in the midterms, which is a problem that plagues it party continuely. >> we already know that the party that wants the word impeachment mentioned as much as possible right now is the democratic party. the democrats would rally against this. it's why the republicans did that silly lawsuit to try to push impeachment back until after the election. i think your question points to a real long term/short term disconnect in politics. short term, the politics of acting on immigration is complicated. long term, it helps it

democrats. because in presidential elections, especially, where latinos vote in larger numbers than midterms, i think the president is looking to solidify the latinos as a democratic group. whether he does it sooner or later, he is going to take action on immigration. >> it's worth saying the republicans are doing their best to cement them as a democratic group as well. my friend e.j. dionne, good to see you. >> good to be with you. scott walker has not been accused of criminal wrong doing, yet. like his colleagues in texas and virginia, he needs to get re-elected in november. new details on his latest woes. next. mmm! ya! warm, flaky, gooey, toaster strudel! now, with more fruit!

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controversial bill deregulating the mining industry to build an iron mine in northern wisconsin. has he been indicted? not yet. he has something fellow controversial governors don't have. re-election. he's ahead of his opponent by one point. that's all for now, "the ed show" is up next. good evening, americans and welcome to "the ed show." live from new york, let's get to work. we don't know who is coming and going in this country. >> congress ryan, are you going to take away our deferred action and deport? >> no. >> the condition of your birth doesn't determine the outcome of your life in this country. we are going to do it our own way on our own time. >> i ask you again, congressman ryan. >> we are having a problem with immigration