manufacturing. keep up the fight. that's "the ed show." "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton starts now. good evening. >> good evening, ed. thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, new audio that may have been recorded when the gunshots that killed michael brown occurred. nbc news has obtained audio from a man who says he was recording a message to a friend near the site of michael brown's shooting. he says he ended up recording the fatal gunshots. nbc news has not authenticated the audio, but the lawyer for the man who recorded it says she has shared the recording with the fbi. remember, the words spoken on this tape aren't important. but the sounds of the apparent gunfire in the background are. take a listen.

>> you are pretty -- [ gunshots ] >> you're so fine. just going on some of your videos. >> again, nbc news has not confirmed that this is the sound of the shots that killed michael brown. author do we know what happened immediately before or after this recording. but nbc's ron allen spoke with the lawyer of the man who made the tape. she says the fbi was interested in the recording and what made the biggest impression on her was the pause in the gunfire. >> i think that what is important is no matter how it's interested, there was a pause. there was a pause of three seconds. now what that pause means may mean something different, you know. as an attorney i know you have

to argue both sides. i can see arguments that could be made for both sides. however, the fact that there was a pause and this was not just some sort of emotional bam, bam, bam, bam, bam and that's it, there was a pause. >> what could that be? >> the pause? to me, you have a chance to think. no matter what side of the coin you end up on, there was a moment of thought. three seconds may seem like a short amount of time. but the entire incident that we have had recorded is 12 seconds. that's a lot of gunfire. so three seconds within that 12 seconds is a significant period of time. and there was a moment of contemplation by the shoot error. now whether or not that contemplation, you know, what was going through his head, i have no way of knowing. >> again, we have not confirmed that this tape is a recording of the shooting. but as prosecutors present evidence to a grand jury, this

could be a key piece of the puzzle. take a listen to that recording one more time. >> you are pretty. [ gunshots ] you're so fine. just going on some of your videos. how could i forget? [ gunshots ] >> there are still so many unanswered questions. but this recording could soon become part of the investigation into the tragic shooting death of michael brown. joining me now from st. louis is tremaine lee, national reporter for msnbc.com. former prosecutor and current trial attorney midwin charles, and eugene o'donnell, professor of law and police study at john jay college of criminal justice. thank you all for being here. >> thank you. >> midwin, let me start with you.

how could this tape affect the investigation? >> well, if this tape is accurate, it really is a game-changer. one of the things that's most important about this tape is that pause that the attorney just referenced. a pause is enough time for someone to form intent. if, as officer darren wilson has said, that he was defending himself or he felt he was in fear or even trying to apprehend michael brown, that pause is significant. it lets us know that he had time to either sort of stop and think and continue to pull the trigger -- so i think this is huge. if it's accurate, of course. if it's authenticated. this is huge. this is a game change er. darren wilson's attorney's job just got harder. >> we are told the fbi has the tape. what are investigators looking for? >> i think the officer's account will happen a lot. reports will matter a lot. was it a defensive shooting or

apprehensive? was it to apprehend? seems to me it's either/or. there was a claim at the time he fired he believed his weapon would be taken. if you can believe it missouri law values human life less than florida. there might be legal authority to shoot a fleeing person in this situation. but it would very much depend on what the officer's account was, official reporting. certainly in all states, self-defense, if that's the claim ends when it's clear that the threat no longer exists and when someone withdraws. once somebody withdraws and is leaving the altercation then the law in most states is we want the person to be brought to justice in a nonviolent way. self-defense is sort of a situation where you have no choice. >> let me go to midwin's point and the lawyer's point. that is that assuming this tape is accurate.

because we have not authenticated it. assuming it's accurate, if the person was shot would any shots after that not qualify at all for self-defense? >> if it's a self-defense claim. >> it is. >> if he's claiming he's firing at a violent fleeing felon it's a murky area. if you claim self-defense it's a self-defense shooting. missouri law appears to leave open the possibility posing no risk to the community who is accused of a felony could be shot fleeing. >> what's the reaction to the tape in ferguson? >> they have long believed. i spoke to one person and he said he heard boom, boom, boom,

pause and boom, boom, boom. if this is authentic it matches up with what witnesses said. there was a shot from in the car and several shots while brown was running. he turned around and then other shots followed. >> you're saying that you have talked to people in the neighborhood that are not this man that's told you this even before we heard about this tape. >> that's correct. i didn't publish it before because i didn't have reason to publish it necessarily. i spoke to a gentleman who was outside on the nice sunny day, he heard boom, boom, a pause and several more shots. >> midwin, nbc hasn't authenticated the recording. but the lawyer for the man who recorded it says her client would be a good witness. >> there is no doubt in your mind? >> absolutely not.

he's a solid citizen. if it came to testifying he would be a reliable witness. >> do you think the grand jury will hear from this witness. >> it depends on whether or not the prosecutor will take this information and put it in front of the grand jury. >> which is up to the prosecutor. >> absolutely. >> they have full discretion, wide latitude and it's secret. what's most interesting about this tape and about the witness is he's disinterested. he doesn't have a stake in this. he was in the middle of a chat with a girl. the shots rang out in the background. i can't see anyone trying to discredit at least his motives. >> you know, the pause in the gunshot on this new tape seems to match what we have heard from some witnesses and i think

trymaine referred to that. let me play some others that have said this. >> if the police chased after the guy, he was unarmed, ran for his life, they shot him. he fell, put his arms up to let them know he was compliant and unarmed. they shot him twice more and he fell to the ground and died. >> the officer gets out of the vehicle, pursues him. as he's following him he's shooting at him. michael's body jerks as if he was hit. then he turned, put his hands up. the officer continued to walk up on him and shoot him until he goes all the way down to the ground. >> you know, they seem to be saying, these eyewitnesses that there was a pause. eugene. >> the point is absolutely correct. the person you rely on, sometimes excessively in a case like this is somebody with no

agenda. somebody with no connection to get an outsized amount of attention. you try to compare statements of people with the objective evidence. if the witnesses are saying things consistent with that, this butt residences the accounts of the witnesses and would be a crucial piece of evidence. >> >> there were no arrests, no problems on the street. do you expect it to continue? >> the tone and temperature shifted from the terrible days. now people are focused on the case. waiting for more details such as this. the police department hasn't released any more information. we have the autopsy from the parents. people are now focused on the case. the grand jury hearing evidence and so on.

things are cool and calm. we are in for a nice peaceful stretch. >> let me go back to something you referenced. the missouri statute on law enforcement officers' use of deadly force seems broad. it says deadly force is, "justified only when he reasonably believes that such use of deadly force is immediately necessary to effect the arrest and also reasonably believe that is the person to be arrested, a, has committed or attempted to commit a felony or, b, is attempting to escape by use of a deadly weapon, or may otherwise endanger life or inflict serious physical injury unless arrested without delay. how will the statute affect the grand jury investigation? >> i think the last two points that you pointed out about

whether or not he was fleeing with armed and dangerous are or posed a threat to the community, that didn't seem to exist. even if the officer looked at the situation and tried to assess it, you have to ask yourself after how many bullets do you recognize whether somebody is a threat to you or to the public. that's what's the most disturbing thing about thisment michael brown was unarmed. we have a barrage of bullets he was killed by which is corroborated by at least three different autopsies. the statute, i think, when you look at it in its totality, there are a lot of ands and/ors. the most important are whether or not michael brown pose add threat to the community, if he were to flee. whether or not this police officer understood that michael brown had allegedly just committed a strong-arm robbery. there are so many variables that we are not clear on. >> strong arm robbery would not -- would fall within the outline in the statute.

>> yes. we have to understand what the police officer's point of view. we don't have it. we have this fictitious incident report. >> i have to leave it there. trymaine lee and midwin charles and eugene, thank you for your time. >> thank you very much. >> still ahead, what do we know about the american who was allegedly killed fighting for the terrorist group isis. are there more like him? that, plus president obama's tough promise for those responsible for executing an american journalist. also a jaw-dropping new report of police departments literally losing military weapons. like m-16 assault rifles. and republicans tried to score cheap political points with a video game straight out of the '80s. we'll have our own "politics nation" version of the game coming up.

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the entire nation was stunned by these images. police in ferguson armed with military weapons. but now a disturbing report shows that some police armed like this are literally losing their machine guns. more on that next.

there is a big difference between our military and our

local law enforcement and we don't want those lines blurred. >> president obama signalling he would be looking into how police are armed with military weapons. a review now under way. images like these from ferguson, missouri, highlighted the trend of militarizing police departments across the country. now we are learning new disturbing facts about how those departments are mishandling that equipment. a report from fusion shows 184 state and local police departments have been suspended from the pentagon's military equipment program for missing weapons or failure to comply with other guidelines. and the details are very disturbing. in mississippi, 12 rifles, a pistol and a shotgun have all disappeared. in arkansas, m-14 and m-16 assault rifles are gone.

a night vision scope is missing. five shotguns are unaccounted for. even worse, local police departments have had two military humvees stolen or improperly sold. though they were later recovered. how do you lose a humvee? what's happening with all of the military hardware? too many police officers don't have training for the weapon s or a need to use them. things have gone too far. we have to go back to real community policing to restore not just order but trust in local police departments. joining me now is dr. cedric alexander, president of the national organization of black law enforcement executives and chief of police for dekalb county, georgia. and one of several lawmakers who

signed a letter to the president urging him to create a commission on police tactics and appoint a federal zar to local police departments. thank you both for being here. i understand you fractured your elbow and came straight here from the hospital. you do honor your commitments. let me go to you first. i'm glad you're all right. >> always glad to be with you. >> doesn't the new report about police literally losing m-16s support your call for review of police tactics? >> absolutely. we are committed to community-oriented policing where the police are stake holders in the community. this is a far cry from community oriented policing. i think it started out as an idea of just getting, you know, rid of surplus military weaponry

and providing it to local police forces, but we do need to review how the equipment is used and for what purposes, especially when it goes missing. >> there is a new poll out on public attitudes. 65% said police departments did only a fair or poor job. 65% said they didn't do a great job of treating racial and ethnic groups equally. and 61% say they weren't using the right amount of force. this is a national issue. how do we address it? >> well, i think, reverend al, we have to go back and look historically at this country which has not had a good relationship in terms of policing and communities of color.

there have been strained relationships. we know that historically. it continues to exist today. there's been a tremendous gain in terms of cities across america where communities and police are working well together. there is a lot of work in the country yet to be done. what we saw in ferguson is just a good example of some of the locations throughout the country where police and community aren't working together. the police will have to do a better job at reaching out to communities, making themselves available not just for calls of service but also being there in a very community oriented way where police is getting to know their community and that community is getting to know police as well, too. i'm not surprised by the numbers. they could be worse. it's just an indication to me there is a lot of work left still to be done. >> congresswoman, let me ask about something with the letter you wrote the president.

you also touched on several issues. you included police training, engagement with police and federal oversight of local law enforcement agencies. how would these efforts help prevent another ferguson. >> well, reverend al, i think we need a larger conversation about the criminalzation. . this is a legacy issue. i think, you know, to speak on behalf of the police to some extent, you know, institutions, society fails young black men a long time before they are 18 years old. they have higher than average rates of suspensions in school. they find themselves unemployed and unemployable. and police are there and they see young black men as a threat because of all the marginzation

that occurred prior to the encounter between an officer and michael brown. so a czar to look at local enforcement activities and practice practices is something we see as beinger in order. they can provide police with the appropriate training so there is not racial profiling, a sense that a young black man walking down the street is a threat, simply because he is a threat. i would go further, reverend al to say we need something on the order of a truth in reconciliation to deal with the supposed criminalzation of young black men. a position supported by not only the congressional black caucus, but the progressive caucus, the asian caucus and the hispanic caucus of congress.

>> let me ask you, dr. alexander. do you believe ferguson was a wake-up call to all enforcement, all police around the country. not just the police officers? >> absolutely it was. i tell you what. if we don't pay attention to ferguson we are going to be in trouble and we are going to see this again. ferguson will become the model, i believe, to suggest clearly that training is going to become key in moving forward. how do we put out equipment that looked like military equipment. when do you do that? clearly in that scenario when you had peaceful protesters that was not appropriate. it's just not me saying that. i have talked to a number of chiefs across the country and you have as well, too. the appropriateness of it was just not in place. ferguson will be that city at this point in time in american history that we can all clearly learn something going forward.

much of what we can learn are things not to do. >> all right. well, i have to leave it there. again, thank you especially congresswoman gwen moore tonight for coming under the circumstances you did. we appreciate you for your time tonight. >> thank you for having me. >> thank you for all your hard work, too, reverend al. >> thank you. ahead, confronting the terrorist group isis. president obama today issuing a direct warning. and taking new action. plus why is speaker boehner okay with paying a lawyer $500 an hour to sue the president but not okay with paying $10 an hour to millions working at the minimum wage? all that plus a hero's welcome for the kids who are in a league of their own. >> i can't believe it. this is unreal to me. it's unbelievable. i'm still shocks that these people are clapping for me.

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welcome back. lots of developments today in the fight against the terrorist group isis. today, two new american airstrikes hit isis targets close to the iraqi city of erbil. the u.s. military has begun surveillance missions over syria to gather intelligence on isis

targets this that country as well. this as we learn that isis is demanding over $6 million in ran some to release another american hostage. this one, a 26-year-old female aid worker. an nbc news reports an american man was killed in syria over the weekend while apparently fighting for isis. the terrorist group controls a huge swath of land in syria and iraq which they seized using barbaric techniques in their push across the region. this afternoon president obama vowed that the u.s. is poised to continue striking isis. following the brutal murder of american journalist james foley. >> our message to anyone who harms our people is simple. america does not forget. our reach is long. we are patient. justice will be done.

we have proveded time and time again we will do what's necessary to capture those who harm americans. rooting out a cancer like isil won't be quick or easy. tyrants and murderers before them should recognize that kind of hateful vision ultimately is no match for the strength and hopes of people who stand together for the security and dignity and freedom that is the birthright of every human being. >> joining me now brian katulis, senior fellow at the center for american progress. first of all, thank you for being here. >> great to be with you. >> let's start with the new surveillance flights over syria. why would the u.s. need to bomb isis in syria to stop them in iraq? >> there is no border between the two countries effectively. so even if we are striking them inside of iraq as we have been for the past few week s, they could easily scurry across into syria which it seems many of

them have. they have expanded their control. so i think the president though does have a challenge and it's a challenge he and his team will face in the next few days of really defining a targeted purpose of possible strikes inside of syria. you know, in iraq we were trying to help the yazidi community. we had a specific goal of trying to stop the mosul dam from being controlled by isis. i have not yet heard a clear rationale for what strikes in syria might seek to achieve. perhaps they are seeking retribution for the horrific murder. that's not enough, i think, before we go in there. we need a clearer goal. >> the situation on the ground in syria is chaotic. let's talk about some of the key players in the syrian civil war. there is a president bashar al assad who rebels have been trying to oust for nearly three years. then there is the free syrian

army, a group formeded by former syrian military officials. they have been backed by the west with. but are now seriously outnumbered by terrorists in groups like isis. are there any good guys here for the u.s. to work with? >> there are. the sad thing is the vast majority of syrian people want to live a decent life. 8 to 9 million are displaced. 200,000 of them nearly have been killed by the conflict. the groups you have named, especially isis and assad really don't reflect where most syrian people are. the free syrian army in the various so called moderate rebels unfortunately aren't as organized and don't have as much as a ground game. i do think that's a consequence of different actors in the

region. saudi arabia, qatar, et cetera. if there is any hope, it shouldn't be from air strikes by the u.s. it should be the kind of long effort to try to support first the syrian people through humanitarian measures and also trying to help these so-called moderates to carve out a third wave inside of syria. >> the reports of an american being killed fighting for isis are disturbing to say the at least. here's what we know about douglas mcarthur mccain. he was 33 years old, raised in minnesota. became a muslim in 2004. on june 9 tweeted to isis fighter, i will be joining you guys soon. mccain wasn't the only american fighting with isis. some estimates have hundreds of fighters in syria and iraq. foreign policy reports 400 fighters from the uk and 100 american citizens are currently fighting for isis.

could there be more, brian? do they pose even more of a threat to the u.s. than local fighters. >> there could be more. if you look at the overall estimates of foreign fighters, including people coming from outside of iraq and syria, eric holder, our attorney general estimated 7,000. some numbers go up to 12,000 people total of people flooding iraq and syria. these are numbers we didn't see in the previous decade in iraq. the numbers of americans, it's disturbing. clearly it's very, very disturbing. the tip of the spear of trying to combat the threat is first good law enforcement and good intelligence collection. i want to highlight "good." making sure we are keeping tabs on any potential plots and things like that. the second thing people forget is that the communities themselves, especially muslim american communities and their leaders. they are key allies in helping

deradicalize and pinpoint anybody thinking about going over to this vicious fight. it is a bad idea. we should remember those muslim american leaders are americans. they have helped us quite a lot in this effort. >> thank you for your time this evening. >> great. thank you. >> coming up, a big cheer for some chicago little leaguers who just made history. they even got a tip of the cap from president obama. straight ahead, republicans are back to playing political gains. this time it's a video game. you've got to see this one. this is the first power plant in the country to combine solar and natural gas at the same location. during the day, we generate as much electricity as we can using solar. at night and when it's cloudy, we use more natural gas. this ensures we can produce clean electricity

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republicans have played political games before, but here's one we haven't seen until now. introduce thing the gop's newest attempt to raise money and reach young voters. an online video game called mission majority. it looks vaguely like a bad game from the 1980s. players control an elephant named gop who chases two villains called taxers and mudslingers. when the elephant jumps on the villains, they shout audio clips are from democrats. ♪ >> what difference at this point does it make? ♪

>> you didn't build that! ♪ >> not even a smidgen of corruption. >> congratulations, gop. you have created what might be the worst video game in history. it would be so easy to approve. you can start by changing the audio clips to create more believable bad guys. >> are you kidding me? >> corporations are people, my friend. >> brownie, you're doing a heck of a job. >> i do not like them, sam, i am. i do not like green eggs and ham. >> oops. >> but video games are are one thing. playing with america's political system like it's nothing more than a video game is another. and that's what republicans are doing. this week the house gop moved forward on speaker boehner's lawsuit. hiring a law firm for $500 an hour on the taxpayer's dime.

the head of the benghazi probe announced he's also hired a lawyer ahead of hearings next month. and the top ranking gop senator mitch mcconnell is making ominous threats of a government shutdown. lawsuits, phony scandals and shutdowns. it's the gop's game plan and it's a loser. joining me now is msnbc's karen finney and msnbc.com's executive editor richard wolf. thank you for joining me. >> thank you. >> thank you, rev. >> the video looks like it's from the '80s. did it come from the same place the republicans get policies? >> it must have. i like your version much better. yeah, it looks like something from the '80s and the policies are definitely the ones we have heard them try to recycle again and again and again.

i think a child could probably make that game, it's so unsophisticated. >> you know, richard, the house lawsuit shows where the speaker's priorities are. the gop hired a $500/hour attorney to press the speaker's lawsuit with the bill passed to the taxpayer. but speaker boehner is against a $10.10 minimum wage. so the speaker is willing to pay a good wage to people suing the president, but not the blue collar workers. >> right. it's so tone deaf. this is a policy going in, talking about not wanting to borrow hundred from china for all sorts of wastes of government money. if this was the obama administration spending that kind of money on what we all know is a public relations stunt they would go crazy. they have before. i don't know where that positions them other than to say to their base, look, we are doing something. do it for free.

you have enough lawyers on your committees. >> you know, let me throw this one to you, karen. the lawyer hired by or for the gop lawsuit has been attacking president obama for a long time. here he is last year on fox news. >> a pattern of ignoring the to aggrandize his power. both congress and the main stream media would be in a state of uproar. interested in scoring cheap political points and pushing back as much as possible against the republicans. >> how can the republicans act like it's not partisan when there is their lawyer ott the lawsuit. >> he came up with the legal premise they are basing the case on. his connection to this is close. it's a gimmick. like you were saying. this is a gimmick. it's about fund-raising, appeasing the far right.

the gop video game is a gimmick to try to get -- they think they will raise money. to get names of supporters which, by the way, in september that's late to be trying to build the list, but okay. this is gamesmanship, not serious. it raises the question. what are they telling constituents when they go home about what they are doing for them. >> you know, back from vacation. back on vacation really. let me go there first. we are still hearing while they are on vacation, impeachment talk. here is a new one from kenny marchand. >> i believe if -- to the house that i think there is a very slim chance that the house would have voted to impeach. that doesn't mean it shouldn't be done. that doesn't mean that that

shouldn't be something we'd consider. if we move against the american people there will be violent reaction. we will win the senate. so let's focus on winning the senate first. >> now, that's very interesting there, richard. let's consider impeachment, but let's first focus on winning the senate. are we reading in there that if they win the senate they are going toward impeachment? because then they have the majority of the senate? >> well, could be. first of all, you've got a number of house republicans out there on the campaign trail. you are going to see more of those vid yoes as we get toward the midterms. they're trying to hedge, pander to an audience that's been fed all of the talk about impeachment. they love it. so they cannot say now, well, impeachment is off the table. for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. if we talk impeachment the democrats will vote. how can they track this? how can they say, yeah, yeah, we have talked about impeachment.

hold off a little bit here. i don't want to annoy you. please show up to vote. they are walking a fine line. they tried it with the tea party. much more successfully in 2010. i don't know that they can pull this off now. this video is out there. it will be out there more through september and october of this year. i don't know that you can find middle ground between the kind of talk out there and what they need to do for the establishment to get electeded in november. >> i hear you trying to weigh in on the impeachment, karen. >> i agree. they know -- that's part of why before they left they were trying so hard to say, no, no, we are going to sue, not impeach him. within the caucus they don't have control. richard is right. the far right wants impeachment. that's what they want. they are going to come back. again, this is a message for democrats to go back and say they want to impeach the president. i want an increase in the manl. that's an excellent position

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the white house had a special visitor this summer. america's oldest living female veteran. she served in the women's army corps in world war ii winning two bronze stars. the president and vice president couldn't wait to greet her. >> lucy! it's joe biden! >> hi, joe. >> how are you? i have a younger friend. when he found out i was going to be seeing you, he asked if he could come down and see you. >> hey, guys. >> mr. president. >> here's my buddy that wanted to say hello. >> helloment. >> say hello to lucy. >> so nice to meet you! >> thank you. >> you're welcome.

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baseball team from chicago finally returned home on monday. they came up just short of winning it all in the little league world series in south korea. but for the crowds that greeted them at the airport, these kids were all winners. >> i i didn't think it was going to be this big. we were just going to play ball, have fun. >> i didn't expect this. i expected some people taking pictures and stuff. all these people? i didn't expect this at all. >> it was so fun. >> i don't want to go home. >> you had a lot of fun? >> yeah. i want to stay. >> the jackie robinson west team was the first all-black team from chicago to win a u.s. title in 31 years. president obama tweeted about the win and even called the team to congratulate them.

>> meeting president obama was cool and exciting. the best person in the world basically. to hear him talk to us, tell us great job. that's a great thing. >> as they got off the bus yesterday they were overwhelmed by the community's response. >> this is real big. >> this is crazy. i didn't know it would be this big. >> i wasn't expecting this. >> only one thought. >> go to sleep. >> sleep. >> that and a home-cooked meal. >> some macaroni, chicken, greens. >> chicago will honor the team with a city-wide parade tomorrow. after the last couple of weeks of debates and divisions and many of those debates we need to have. it's also rare when we can see kids using their skills to do things that have not been done in a long time.

it's really about seeing some light, even amidst darkness. that will keep us all inspired to keep striving for the light, smiles on kids' faces like that. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. our worst enemy. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in new york. let me start tonight with the united states going after isis in syria. can the president sell this war? can we? if we get in this fight the obvious fact that we would help destroy the greatest danger facing the syrian government. would a bold stroke against isis put us in bed with bashir al assad the person barack obama swore he would get rid of? tonight we look at