the only thing standing this the way is on city innocence. >> mike ditka and sarah palin, i guess. thanks for joining us. that's "the ed show." "politics nation" starts now. good evening, rev. >> good evening, ed. thanks to you for tuning in. tonight tonight's lead, lessons not learned in ferguson. in the weeks since the death of michael brown, we have heard a lot of calls for change. both to prevent police shootings and to reconsider the militarization of local police. but apparently some people don't see a need to change. st. louis county police chief john belmer is defending the use of military equipment by local police. just listen why. >> a lot of equipment is in my opinion and other chiefs across the country necessary. every one of our agencies have equipment similar to that in urban areas because we have a

responsibility to mitigate serious crimes and terrorist events. >> of course we do need to be ready for terrorist events. he thinks officers need military equipment because they patrol, quote, urban areas. communities need to trust their police officers. that trust wasn't built in ferguson when the streets looked like a war zone. has chief belmer forgotten this? i guess the police chief thinks that's all okay because it happened in an urban area. thankfully, not everyone agrees. missouri senator clare mchaskill plans to hold senate hearings next month on the militarization of police departments.

congressman adam schiff is urging the attorney general to help local police departments buy body cameras. a group of civil rights groups and lawmakers wrote a letter to the president asking for the justice department to help make other changes to local police forces. they want to make racial bias training mandatory. to implement diversity hiring, and retention guidelines so police reflect the communities where they serve. and to appoint a police czar to watch for egregious activity. these are the kinds of steps we should take. claiming police need military hardware because they are patrolling, quote, urban areas, that demonstrates a profound misunderstanding of what the last few weeks have been all about. joining me now are congressman elijah cummings, democrat of

maryland who signed on to the letter urging the justice department to change police practices, and patricia bynes, committeewoman of ferguson township. thank you both for being here. >> good to be with you. >> thank you for having me. >> congressman, the new comment about military gear in "urban areas," doesn't it highlight what we need to renew and review as we renew our commitment to serve and protect? we need to review police tactics all over the country. >> yes. no doubt about it, reverend. our citizens should never be in a position where they are paying people to protect and serve and the next thing you know they found out those people are attacking them as if they are in a war zone. so it's very important that police have training and have certain sensitivity. reverend, under the 1033 program whereby the local police

departments get this equipment, a lot of the equipment, you talk about bayonets, grenade launchers, all kinds of stuff. >> right. >> a lot policemen -- first of all, the equipment has no place in an urban area. a lot of policemen aren't trained to use the equipment. they want to use it because they've got it. it's like a toy. they want to use it. unfortunately it puts people in a position where they can bring a lot of harm and do more more harm with the presentation of those kinds of equipment than they do good. so we have to look at that and the competition of the police departments. that's another thing the letter talked about. there are 53 officers, only three african-americans. >> in a community that's 67%

african-american. >> that's right. >> patricia, what's the over reaction to the chief's comment about urban areas. >> it sounds like -- and i hate to say it -- sounds like code language for what urban is supposed to mean. sounds like -- it's almost saying, well, we were policing black people so this is the tactic we needed to use. it does not sit well at all with the community. while they had tanks and teargas people may have been throwing rocks and bottles. is this an appropriate response? it doesn't feel -- protesters aren't domestic terrorists. i can see in situation where is you need this type of equipment, and i know how things escalated out there. i was out there every single night. we need to question was this the correct response and are we just doing this because these were a majority of black people protesting or if they were white

protesting would it have been the same reaction. >> we are not condoning rocks and bottles. >> not at all. >> but we are talking about an overreaction. >> yes. >> there was a lot of military equipment in ferguson. the pentagon confirmed it sent the st. louis police six pistols, 12 rifles, 15 weapon sights, 3 helicopters, seven humvees, two night vision devices, one bomb disposal robot. the smaller ferguson police department got two humvees, one generator and one cargo trailer. do we need to review whether police departments need this kind of gear from the pentagon, congressman? >> no doubt about it. we have to review it. keep in mind over the last 20 years local and state police departments have gotten $4.3 billion worth of equipment from the military.

again, there is a view of the urban areas as if they -- they act as if they have to police them in a way where they are almost looking at you like the enemy. these were people peacefully protesting. peacefully putting out the word that they were very much upset with what happened with mr. brown. the vast majority of them were protesting peacefully. so you have folks coming in with this heavy equipment and the kind of equipment that really causes people to say, what's going on here? that just exacerbates the problem as opposed to helping resolve the problem. >> some of the citizens they are claiming to protect are inhaling teargas. >> that's right. >> you know, patricia, the hill

reports that police groups are lobbying to keep hardware. even if the program continues, shouldn't there be some kind of change, even if it's more training? >> there needs to be significant change. now we need to recalibrate and ask the tough questions. if we had a terrorist attack in st. louis, i definitely think we are equipped for that. there need to be strict guidelines on when to pull out the teargas on anyone and especially citizens. we need to look at everything, every policy, and make sure even in the heat of things when things are heating up, the right decisions are made. i think we can question that over the past few weeks. >> congressman, one thing i have been saying is that national

figures, particularly those that are being touted as potential presidential candidates ought to be speaking out. i'm happy hillary clinton has now come and weighed in on ferguson. listen to this. >> nobody wants to see our streets look like a war zone, not in herk. we are better than that. we can do better. we cannot ignore the inequities that persist in the justice system. inequities that undermine our deeply held values of fairness and equality. >> i think that's a strong and good statement from hillary clinton. i'm hoping jeb bush and chris christie and others weigh in. will we, in your opinion, congressman, see more pressure put on this whole question of the way we have seen what we saw in ferguson, the militarization

of the police departments. >> i think we'll see a lot of pressure. i want to thank you for your leadership. you have been absolutely great on this. we're going to have to do it ourselves and continue to pressure. this cannot just be a black effort. we have to have a coalition of people. you talk about that. i'm pleased that dr. blackwell putting this letter together. white, black, hispanic coming together saying we want a better america, a better policing situation. that's very significant, too. we have to keep the pressure going on. >> rand paul spoke out. the st. louis police chief was asked what they used military equipment for in the past. take a listen to this.

>> what other purposes have you used that equipment for in the past. >> armed barricades, search warrants. that's pretty much it. >> military gear for search warrants. not often. why have it? >> i don't know what happened. i think they got in the heat of the moment. i think there may have been biases is in seei inin ining a black crowd and they felt they needed to resort to this. i hope it never happens again anywhere in america to this extent. because beyond what you see in the streets, now those of us that live here, there is a rift between the law enforcement community here and people that live here in feeling policed, overpoliced, serious questions of excessive force which we have some trust issues we need to work on now.

>> congressman cummings and patricia bynes, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> coming up, a family fight for justice. a young man dies in police custody after being repeatedly tasered while in handcuffs. >> how's that? as my partner quoted, that's what killed him. >> we'll talk live to the victim's mother. also president obama's call to action on isis. he made it clear he's rallying the world to fight that growing threat, but he's not about to launch a new war. plus, the video that's lighting up the web. a kid's priceless reaction to some big news from his mom. >> i'm pregnant! >> oh! what were you thinking? why you have to just get another

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>> i'm confident we can and will working closely with our partners. it's not simply a military issue. it's a political issue that involves all the sunni state this is the region and sunni leadership recognizing this cancer that's developed is one that they have to be just are as invested in defeating as we are. >> joining me now brian katoulis from the center for american progress. thank you for being here. >> great to be with you. >> there has been a drum beat about air strikes in syria. why do you think the president tapped the brakes on that? >> we need to know what we might strike.

he's a look before you leap guy and that's a good thing. isis is a threat to the region as the president said. that region has to pull its weight. that's the right message to send. people have taken us for fools or suckers thinking we'll solve their problems. what the president is trying to say is there might be a need for action at some point by us. first, people of the region, the leaders have to help us deal with the threat as well. >> isis released a propaganda video saying 250 syrian soldiers marched in their underwear to be executed. the video is too graphic to show after this point. what purpose does the release of the video serve is this. >> the first thing is to

terrorize people of the region, to instill more fear. this is a very -- it's a brutal group. it's been effective in terrorizing the population. second, i think it is trying to send a distorted recruitment call to people who want to go after troops and get involved in the war. it's an ugly thing. it's having an effect. you have thousands including some americans flocking there to join this fight. that makes the threat complicated. >> the washington post suggests waterboarding was used against prisoners. "james foley was against those water boarded several times by islamic state militant who is appeared to model the technique on the cia's use of

waterboarding to interrogate suspected terrorists after the september 112001 attacks. is this this more blowback to the bush administration's initial invasion of iraq 11 years ago? >> yeah. that's part of it. it's a wake-up call to remind everyone that just as we are debating whether to release the report the u.s. senate has on the use of torture and water boarding and things like this, that for us as a democratic society, we need to have transparency. we need to have justice. when injustice is done by anyone and president obama is clear about this in trying to respond to isis. but when we have done nings as well we need to hold people to account. that's very much an issue.

against isis in syria. >> well, look, in syria, i don't know. i think it will take time. if you recall earlier this summer around june 10 isis went to mo sul. it took a month and a half for the united states to put in place surveillance and get enough intelligence to have strikes that were precise enough. one could conceive of a longer time frame. our human intelligence is not what it should be. we have amazing capability to conduct surveillance from the air and other places. we may have time where we are trying to figure out what we know, where are people, where are some of the americans who may be held by groups. it could take time. >> brian, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> still ahead, the rnc is desperately trying to spin away

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standing with women voters the republican party isn't doing so great. you don't have to take my word for it. that's what republicans are saying. a new gop commission poll uh shows female voters say that the republican party is, quote, intolerant, lacking in compassion, and stuck in the past. in fact their poll shows 49% of women viewed republicans unfavorably. ouch. remember how after their party p's train wreck in 2012 they vowed to turn it around? well, here's the kind of outreach to women we have seen from republicans so far this year. >> i don't really see that there is some sort of war that's keeping women down. >> i find this war on women rhetoric almost silly. it is republicans that have led the fight for women's equality. >> the republicans don't have a

war on women. they have a war for women, for them to be empowered to be something other than victims of their gender. uncle sugar coming in and providing for them a prescription each month because they cannot control their libido? >> uncle sugar? this is bad but the policies are worse. this year the fairness act was blocked and delayed passage of the violence against women's act. unless the gop responds to the wake-up call, they are going to stay stuck in the past. joining me now are karen finney and krystal ball. thanks for being here. >> thank you. >> thanks for having us. >> why are republicans shocked to learn they have problems with women? >> you know, honestly, i don't think they are shocked. i think they know they have an issue.

that's part of why they are commissioning polls, why they talked about it after the presidential election, why they have training sessions about how to talk to women with. the problem is they are not willing to change their policies. so as long as they are the same party saying, no, we don't believe in equal pay for equal work and we are actively going to stand against that and block it then they are going to be a party stuck in the past so women are going to see them as the party stuck in the past. >> you would think the republican party would take this poll to heart since it is their party, their poll. >> right. exactly. >> and take a long hard look at their policies. this is reince priebus, rnc chairman, this morning on msnbc. >> the polls just wasn't the republicans are are stuck in the past. >> mm-hmm. >> the gist of the poll was 50% of women are saying they have a

negative view of the republican party and 40% are saying they have a negative view of the democratic party. >> so the report is called republicans and women voters. huge challenges, real opportunitieses. >> right. >> his take away is that this is bad for the democrats? >> you know, this is something you talk about a lot -- getting out to vote. republicans are hoping that women will not turn out, particularly unmarried women won't turn out to vote, that somehow they will forget about the policy issues they care about that the republicans are horrible on and just not show up to the polls. i would say to women, you know the republican party is terrible on the issues. you know that's not where you get respect. you know there is a war on women. women need to turn out to the polls this fall and make themselves heard on that. >> you know, a perfect example of the right's war on women is governor bobby jindal's assault

on abortion rights in louisiana. krystal, an anti-abortion law signed in june is scheduled to take effect on september 1. it would shift three of the state's five abortion clinics due to lack of admitting privileges for doctors. we have seen this rerepeated in five other states already. >> that's right. >> if republicans want to appeal to women voters maybe they should stop atacting women's reproductive rights around the country. >> that's a good place to start. it's not like we haven't seen the script before, as you are pointing out. most notably perhaps in virginia. you had a massive attack on women's rights. there was a huge voter backlash so even the republicans had to say they went too far and backed down. look, voters are mixed on the very difficult issue of abortion. that's the reality. the other reality is when you are the party that's leading with abortion. when you are making that a priority and you can see they

are making it a priority with the massive number of laws like the one in louisiana that are passing across the country. when you are essentially in all but name making abortion illegal in your state, you are way out of line with where women are and where the majority of americans are. >> you know, karen, new york senator kirsten gillebrand is making headlines with revelations in her new book. she says male colleagues called her chubby, porky, and fat. we are talking about senators now. congressmen. even an adviser. what does it say about the attitudes toward women in d.c. >> it's disgusting. number one, it's disrespectful to think that a senator would speak that way to a colleague, period. >> yes. >> i am a friend of kirsten's. i remember when she was dieting, trying to lose baby weight. i was like, you just had a baby. it's okay.

yet, you know, the colleagues are so harsh. they set a tone for the insidious sense of what's beauty for women with. there are no male politicians other than chris christie that i have ever seen get comments on their weight or as kirsten talks about in the article, get touched, have their waist touched. it's disgusting. >> they don't do it to men. >> i don't think so. >> no, they don't do it to men. they don't disrespect their male colleagues in this wayment they don't understand that talking to a colleague like that is incredibly disrespectful. it say as lot about what they think about women and what women should look like and what's appropriate. >> that's the thing. this is how they talk to their colleague. their colleague. to her face. can you imagine -- >> it's not about obesity. it's a gender thing. i'm certainly -- since i have gotten slimmer on people about weight, but it's a health thing.

>> it's about the fact that women are judged. no matter what you do, what you look like, you are always judged on your appearance, how you are on the world, whether you are working or not, whether you're a mom or not. there is no way to be perfect. the fact that someone as incredible as senator gillibrand in the highest body in the land is facing those comments is astonishing. >> by colleagues. >> by colleagues. >> but there has been progress. 50 years ago in 1964 there were only 14 women serving in the u.s. congress. today there are 102. women still only make up 19% of the membership. but it's moving in the right direction. >> we need more women. we need more women in congress for lots of reason. not the least of which they would never talk to each other or a colleague like that. they would get a lot more done in general. >> i will leave it there. karen finney and krystal ball,

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the fatal shooting of michael brown is shining a light on tensions between police and the communities they are sworn to protect, including tactics and tools that police use in the line of duty. today it's at the heart of a wrongful death lawsuit filed by the family of gregory towns, jr. they are suing east point, georgia, and two of its former police officers. they claim in april of this year towns was tased more than a dozen times while handcuffed by sergeant marcus eberhard and corporal howard weems. charged that eberhart as

resigned and weems was fired and is appealing. it was ruled a homicide citing the manner of death as, quote, use of drive stun conducted electrical device by police. today the family attorney talked about the tasing. >> the sergeant pulled his taser ten times for 47 seconds of shock time. corporal weems, four times for 27 seconds total shock time. that's an electrocution time of a minute and 14 second. we want people to understand how serious that is. a minute and 14 seconds of that. as my partner quoted, that's what killed him. >> the county district attorney is still waiting on evidence

before deciding to take it to a jury. joining me are chris stewart, an attorney representing the family. thanks to both of you for being here tonight. >> thanks for joining us. >> thank you. >> we want to note the associated press reports after the lawsuit officer eberhart couldn't be reached for comment. officer weems lawyer and the city declined comment. how are you and the family doing? >> well, we're doing the best we can, thanks to the lord. >> what do you want to see come from the lawsuit? >> i would like to see them prosecut prosecuted, i would like to see a change.

i would like to see the whole system change. >> according to the east point police department's taser guidelines, and i'm quoting use of advanced taser under the following circumstances is not authorized. for coercion or intimidation to escort subjects. do you believe the officers broke guidelines set forth by their own department? >> it's not just a personal belief. it's a fact from their statements and reports. they simply started tasing gregory because he wouldn't get up and walk to the police car fast enough. they used tasers as a prod as if he's an animal or cattle that you can shock him and make him walk. >> he was handcuffed at the time. >> he was handcuffed. tasering started after he was

handcuffed. he was already submitting. he wasn't cursing, doing anything outrageous. he was tired. in the police report he's quoted multiple times begging to rest. to have a seat and sit down and he would be tasered. it's a travesty. >> an attorney for corporal weems said, quote, use of drive stun to gain compliance is permitted under federal and georgia law. attorney stuart, how do you respond? >> we'll find out in court if that's accurate. we are take ing things directly from the east point policy and procedure. that's a violation of their guidelines of how to use a taser. we'll see if they are following up with training to make sure it's how you are supposed to use it.

>> how did you find out about your son's death? >> i found out through the gbi. >> was with it immediate? >> it was probably six or more hours after he was. >> that's the problem, reverend. they didn't tell her they had a situation that killed her son. they waited six hours for her to find out. they had the nerve to come to her home and have a discussion with her about a subject not related to her son and leave after her son was carted off in an ambulance. between 2001 and 2012 at least

500 people died after tasing during arrest or in jail. does there need to be more attention given to the way police use tasers in this country? >> definitely. that can be a weapon that has deadly consequences. being used multiple times on a human being, they have to be properly trained and certified to do that. this isn't just a travesty for the towns family or african-americans. it is a human tragedy. this could happen to anybody. >> are african-american police involved? >> yes. >> tell me more about your son. who was he? >> gregory was the father of a

3-month-old boy. >> three? >> three months old. gregory has two sisters, tiara and charity. he was our family. he was our only family. he had never been to jail. no priors, yes, sir. >> 24 years old. >> at 24. >> so you're questioning police stepping over the line. we are talking about any police with a situation that may lead to unjustified use of deadly force. >> exactly. we want to know why the ambulance was called off by one of the officers. why wasn't it allowed to come

immediately? why would he be tasered that many times when it was documented that he wasn't doing anything but saying he was tired. why was he tasered in the water after he fell off a cliff by one of the officers. >> wow. in the water? >> one of the officers climbed into the creek after him. he was already handcuffed and was mad enough to try to taser him in the water. our prayers are with you and that young baby, ms. townsend. >> thank you very much. >> we'll be right back. rivers? yeah? then how'd i get this... [ voice of dennis ] ...safe driving bonus check? every six months without an accident, allstate sends a check. silence. are you in good hands? silence. wouldn't it be great if hiring plumbers, shopping online is as easy as it gets. carpenters and even piano tuners were just as simple?

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another wrote his suit looks like one of the suits you would see a deacon wear on a second sunday at your local black church. as a reverend, i can vouch for that. even congress is weighing in. congressman john dingell tweeted, i see no problem with the suit, along with a picture of him in a similar get-up. the president's tan suit even has its own twitter account and hash tag. important questions remain unanswered. president obama once told vanity fair, quote, you will see i wear only gray or blue suits. will republicans say this is just another broken promise? i'd like to consider myself a man of taste. maybe i can offer the president some style tips for the future. when the leaves start turning, make sure you have a warm scarf like this one. a bold red suit can also offer a pop of color on an autumn day.

you know what? i have been known to wear a tan suit myself. don't forget, a "politics nation" baseball cap is always in style. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. a dove named paul? a hawk named hillary? let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start with the president's decision today to hold off on air strikes in syria. >> i don't want to put the cart before the horse. we don't have a strategy yet. i think what i have seen in some of the yous reports suggests folks are getting