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ferguson, missouri. the crowd demanding justice for michael brown and an end to police profiling and brutality. plus, should it be legal for little kids to shoot big guns? even if it's at a shooting range. a 9-year-old girl accidentally shot her instructor with an uzi. also, on this saturday, it's an app that only a mother could love. kids, you need to hear about this one. your parents can now lock your phone if you ignore their calls. it's today's big idea. good afternoon to you all. t.j. holmes. thank you for being with us. new concerns about the threat from the terror group isis after officials in britain raised their threat level to severe. meaning an attack is highly likely. the obama administration calling for an international coalition to address the growing threat. secretary of state john kerry will head to europe next week

for talks with u.s. allies, but in an op-ed in today's "new york times," kerry called for the world to unite in the fight, saying isis is a cancer that must not be allowed to spread. saying there is evidence that these extremists if left unchecked will not be satisfied at stopping with syria and iraq. they will have already demonstrated the ability to seize and hold more territory than any other terrorist organization in a strategic region that borders jordan, lebanon, turkey, and is peril s perilously close to israel. british prime minister cameron was expected to push for coordinated action to confront extremists. let me turn now to kelly in london for us. hello to you. is there a reason brit -- britain should be more worried than u.s. in taking the action to step up the terror alert? >> i think the prime reason is

there are 500 british citizens who have traveled to syria to fight and as many as 250 are to fight. that's the main reason to be so concerned. if prime minister david ron using some pretty dramatic language yesterday, talking of a generational struggle for the uk. a poisonous ideology of islamic extremism. that threat level raised from substantial to severe, meaning an attack is highly likely, but not yet imminent. this has been a concern in this country for more than a year now. >> secretary kerry going to be meeting with allies at the nato summit next week, but is there enough support out there, is it really a possibility for a joint military strategy against isis? >> military is the keyword there, t.j. a joint military strategy will probably be a tough sell with other nato countries, as well as other european countries. america's closest ally, the uk,

is shying away from anything with military in it right now. prime minister cameron said britain's role in iraq and in syria would be primarily humanitarian. and that the uk could help with intelligence and arming kurdish fighters. but no mention of air strikes, or certainly of boots on the ground. >> kelly cobiella, thank you so much. we'll check back in as this story continues to develop. we'll turn now to ferguson, missouri. hundreds of people there marching this afternoon to protest police profiling and brutality. group gathered near the location where unarmed teen michael brown was shot and killed by a police officer three weeks ago today. earlier this week, six missouri residents filed a federal lawsuit against city, county, and police officials alleging their civil rights were violated during the unrest that followed the shooting. they're seeking more than $40 million in damages. a national reporter for "usa today" was in ferguson.

you've been covering this for some time, and you wrote, that you think this could be a catalyst. what's happening in ferguson could be a catalyst for change. how so? >> as you say, the violence could be a catalyst for change, because they pointed to other riots. we talked about the watts riots and the riots that followed the beating of rodney king, and they said while peaceful protests might get the message out, violence is where you see the media coming in. violence is where you see people starting to rethink how they're going to deal with this. a lot of the experts i talked to said the next time a young armed black boy is killed in a small city, they're going to think twice about how they really deal with this. because we had rioting and ferguson, we had all those things that happened. they think the violence is really going to make people not only act differently in the future, but also going to bring the attention and brought the attention that other peaceful protests might not have brought. >> there's so much of a disconnect between the black community and police. but in many communities around the country.

have you seen or did you see any indication that maybe that rift was starting. was there any type of warming of relations, or reaching out from one side to the other in ferguson going on just yet? >> i think captain johnson made a big difference to people. i think before that, and before he was brought in, i was there in the days before, people were angry, they were talking about how terribly the police treated them. and then captain johnson showed up and people said he's someone who knows us, who knows what we've been through, who can talk about his black son who wears his hat to the side. in that regard, people started to warm up to him. i don't think i saw people warming up to military gear, fatigue wearing officers in armored trucks. i don't think that has happened yet. i think people are starting to rethink policing in that community. because captain ron johnson, just the day before i left, said i'm going to be here for a while. i'm not going to just come here, and when the cameras are gone, i'm going to leave. so i think with people promising to stay there, are really going to think about him. >> that's a good point to make. they can pull him out of there,

quite frankly, and they still are dealing with the police force that has 53 officers on it and only three of them are black. that's a long way to go for the ferguson community and police. people are trying to figure out where we're going to go, what's next. there's so much talk about putting police officers on every police officer in the country, quite frankly. it's worked in some communities. but now they have collected 150,000 signatures, called for a law to require all officers to wear body cameras. this is coming from a petition on the white house's we the people web page. this means essentially that now the white house is going to have to respond in some way to this petition. how receptive are police that you have talked to, maybe police there in ferguson, or elsewhere receptive to this idea? >> i think the police i talked to, i spent the whole night with them probably about seven hours, talking to them. i think they're receptive to that idea. the people i've talked to, the officers that i talked to said how different would the situation be if we had a videotape from beginning to end

of what happened with michael brown. we would have either had a resolution, the cops could have said this is what happened, now you understand our side. i think the police i've talked to said that they're really receptive to this. that they want to tell people, this is what we need to face. they wanted me to write a story to say this is how our day began. this so how we started off talking to people. you understand at what point that happened. so i think people -- the officers are receptive to this. i think the idea always comes back to funding. how are we going to fund this? i think there's still questions there. i think they're receptive. i certainly want to get your comment on. you may not know this name yet. dylan taylor. this is a young man who was shot and killed in salt lake city by a salt lake city police officer. the young man, 20 years old was unarmed. the officer shot and killed him in a confrontation, the young man felt or fit the description of someone, a suspect. the young man is described as white, hispanic. and the officer is described as

non-white. and there are some places it's reported he is black. we can't confirm that, but at least the police department said he is a non-white police officer. there's been a lot of criticism out there, and a lot of talk over why isn't this case -- when it's a white kid getting shot, who was unarmed, versus a black kid getting armed, why don't we see marches, why don't we see civil rights unrest, or civil rights leaders coming in and talking about this case. i'm asking you for a little perspective. there have been protests in salt lake city, but when you read that story and see some of the reaction to it and you've been in ferguson as long as you have, the perspective of why those two cases might draw different reaction from communities. >> i think it's a valid question to ask. i think people need to ask those questions. i think in ferguson, what made that story blow up and what made that story stay is because hours after michael brown was killed, you had a convenience store burned down. within days, you had police crashing on national television in armored trucks.

you also had leslie mcfadden, which is michael brown's grandfather, he called -- physically called himself and called al sharpton to say please come to my community. i don't know if dylan's family has done that. so i think the way the media covered that story had a lot to do with michael brown's death, but it also had to do with all the things that happened afterwards. i think the fact that you had the governor asking for a state of emergency, instilling a curfew, all those things made that story just continue to go. i think in dylan taylor's case, if we do see hundreds of people, if we start seeing clashes with police officers, i think that's going to make the story go even further. but i also should say "the new york times" is talking about it. so i also think that that story is getting play, and that story is being covered. so i think there are people that are probably going to still be upset and look at race and look at that case, but i think we really have to understand that we're covering not only the death of two young men, but we're also covering all the developments around that. >> it's always good to have you.

thank you so much. good to see you. thanks for being here on a holiday weekend. well, it's not exactly relaxing start to the holiday weekend in a lot of places in the country. louisiana dealing with some nasty weather, some heavy rain. got reports of potentially dangerous flash flooding in the southern part of that state. jeanette calle with us. some nasty stuff this weekend. >> yes, it's certainly a very active saturday across sections of the gulf coast, t.j. we are keeping a very close eye on this potentially dangerous flooding situation. the reason for this is there's a lot of tropical moisture surging northward out of the gulf of mexico. rainfall amounts since this morning, ranging from two to nine inches of rain with another inch or more possible as we head on into the evening. so flash flooding certainly a major concern here as we head on into this saturday evening, but finally, things will again to calm down across the big easy as

we head into labor day monday. still could see some hit or miss thunderstorms across the big easy as we head on into sunday. a lot calmer by monday. beautiful in the northeast today. temperatures at 78 in new york city. 85 in washington, d.c. thunderstorms in chicago and atlanta this afternoon. the heat is building in the southwest. sunday, scattered thunderstorms in the northeast. best chance for those will be late sunday into early monday. then things are looking a lot better for the northeast by labor day monday afternoon. >> all right, jeanette calle going to be with us the next couple hours. thank you. we'll chat again. coming up, little kids, big guns. combination getting new attention after a 9-year-old girl accidentally shot and killed an instructor at a shooting range. will it change the debate over gun control? also, the white house still playing cleanup two days after the president said we don't have a strategy yet to combat isis. i'll talk to a member of the foreign affairs committee about how the u.s. should deal with the terror group. stay with me, folks. [ male announcer ] don't just visit hawaii.

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15 minutes past the hour. facing a duo of foreign policy changes, and a showdown between russia and ukraine, president obama is trying to quiet both american fears and the drum beat toward military action in syria. speaking at a fundraiser last night, the president said "the world has always been messy," but he urged calm telling supports "we will get through these challenging times just like we have in the past." the president's critics continue to slam him for his comment that we don't have a strategy yet to combat isis. one man who may want the president's job here in a couple years. >> the deepening chaos in iraq and syria and gaza and ukraine all clear and compelling

evidence. the world needs a president who is not one step behind. who is lurching from crisis to crisis. who is always playing catch-up. >> congress will be back in session in nine days and lawmakers could be forced to make a vote on expanding america's current military campaign against isis right before the midterms. let me bring in rhode island congressman david cissilini. you're on the foreign affairs committee. a lot going on with the president in terms of foreign affairs. give the president a letter grade on foreign affairs right now. >> well, look, what the president said was -- i think said inartfully. a clear message that we need to defeat them, that we need to protect americans from this terrorist organization. that it's an urgent responsibility. and that he has already begun to take steps to do that. both with air strikes, with the

kurdish fighters, sending secretary kerry to the region, secretary hagel to the region. so i think the president's been very clear. this is a brutal, vicious terrorist organization. we have a responsibility to stop them and defeat them before they come to our homeland. >> congressman, i'm with you. i think everybody agrees that the president says this is what we want to do, but at the same time, did he not say and do you have no concern to understand the criticism when he says that's what we want to do, we just don't know how to do it? >> we're already doing things. the president has already taken action. i think what the president -- and i don't want to speak for him, but i think the point is people recognize this as a rapidly changing situation that requires a response to things that are happening in the entire region. it's going to require diplomatic military intelligence cooperation with our partners in that region, with lots of discussion s about how we work with people in a joint effort. i think this is something that is going to develop over time. i think the president is going

to get the best advice from his secretary of defense, from his intelligence community, from secretary of state and other members of his cabinet, and then come to the congress with an action plan. but he's already taken steps. we want a president to proceed thoughtfully and responsibly and respond to a rapidly changing set of circumstances. >> congressman, one other thing on this then. you're saying you don't think that's what the president said. everybody else has chimed in. when the president says we don't have a strategy yet, how did you interpret that if not to mean we don't know how to deal with these guys just yet? >> i interpret that to mean we have to defeat isis, which is president said in those remarks, that this is a threat to the peace and security of the world, and ultimately a threat to the national interests of the united states. he was emphatic about that. i think the question is what is the right way to lead, participate, be a part of a

partnership with our allies in the region, to do that effectively. how do you, for example, strike in syria and defeat isis while not strengthening assad? and so these are complicated circumstances. i think it's really important that the president listen carefully to the information about what's happening on the ground. this is a situation which changes every day, and we want a president that is responding to this very dangerous and changing circumstance, but i don't think there's any question that the president has state whad our mission is, his intention to work and defeat isis, because we must, it's a terrorist organization that will ultimately threaten our own country. but i think to think quickly, there's a quick and easy answer. this is complicated. >> and you have urged caution in the past. on two fronts. on isis and also on ukraine and dealing with the issue there and dealing with russia, that the president kind of wanted to urge that caution. and the last thing here -- we

didn't get a chance to talk about ukraine and russia, but the last thing on isis, if the president comes to congress, if he comes to you and wants the okay from you to strike isis inside of syria, would you vote to give that okay? >> i think there is no question that if the president makes the case that military strikes, air strikes are necessary, not including, of course, boots on the ground, air strikes are necessary to defeat isis, i think he will receive overwhelming support in the congress from republicans and democrats. >> including from you specifically. >> yes. i think this is a terrorist organization that we have a responsibility to stop before it hits the homeland. >> all right. congressman david cicilline from rhode island, and in fact, the president was there with you all in rhode island, made some stops. so you saw him just yesterday. did you get to talk to him about any of this stuff? >> yes, he actually spoke about this. >> no, did you get to express them directly to him? >> yes. i did. >> all right, congressman cicilline, always good to see you.

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businessman johnny williams in exchange for influence and promotion of williams's dietary supplement company. if convicted, they could both face decades in prison. a shooting lesson that turned deadly this week in arizona is raising new questions in the debate over gun regulation. charles vaca was teaching a 9-year-old girl to fire a sub machine gun. he had shown her how to use the weapon in single mode. when he sat the uzi to automatic mode, the girl lost control of the gun and the instructor was hit in the head with at least one bullet. the prosecutor said the girl would not be charged, but the shooting range and the instructor had clean safety records prior to this. the arizona division of osha said friday it will review this incident. let me bring in criminal defense attorney john burres. good to see you, and tragedy,

but was there any crime that you see committed anywhere in here, whether it be by the parents in negligence, the shooting range in negligence, already said the young lady is not going to be charged. is there any crime in here? >> well, there's no crime with respect to the young girl. if there's any crime at all, it has to be with the parents for allowing their child to participate at this level. but clearly there's civil liability here. at the same time, if you engage in negligent conduct, the child can't be responsible. the parent has to be responsible. so you have that. also, i have to wonder about the range master itself because they should have rules in place that says that a 9-year-old or a kid a certain size should not be able to engage in this conduct, and if they do allow it to occur, seems to me they have some responsibility as well. the instructor who was killed may have been contributory and negligent on the civil side because he shouldn't have had himself placed in that position.

i think new rules, new laws are clearly at hand and should be here and should be looked at in terms of how to prevent that from happening, even though everybody was safe before, that don't mean they were safe then, and therefore some accountability. >> where does the negligence come into play here, and who determines whether or not a parent is -- i mean, different parents, different strokes for different folks. of course you're negligent if you put an uzi in the hand of a 9-year-old. >> absolutely. in my mind, it's like having your gun around your house and the child finds it. seems to me, if a parent put their child in a position to use a gun that can be fatal, regardless of the safety conditions, if something happens, seems to me they are responsible. they may not be civriminally responsible, but civilly they are. there ought to be laws that define when a child should be able to use a gun of this

magnitude. >> john, last thing here, you talk about regulations and some rules. but don't they need to be uniform? state to state, you have different standards and different rules. i mean, how big of a task is it? you talk about any type of regulation when it comes to guns in this country. it's a tall order. >> no question that these are significant issues. there's common law issues involved here, too. there are laws that govern negligence, it's common law throughout the country. in terms of uniformity, that's probably not going to happen. in a state where this has happened, osha has a responsibility to look at. i would dare say that they all should take a look at this. particularly where gun ranges are serious and prevalent. this is a matter that should be a wake-up call for people around the country. >> attorney john burres, such a tragedy. thank you so much for your expertise. enjoy the rest of your week. >> thank you. coming up, president obama

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immediately began dialing that back. press secretary john ernest said the president was talking specifically about syria and touted the comprehensive strategy in the region. kristen welker with us in the white house. it's been two days. this is all they've been doing for two days for the most part, trying to walk this back, and do some explaining. >> reporter: that's right. and i think the administration feels as though they need to continue to clarify what president obama was saying. we saw that in the op-ed that was released today by secretary of state john kerry in "the new york times" in which he talks about this broad strategy that the president is taking in terms of trying to take on isis. that strategy includes building an international coalition, helping opposition forces in the region, and also countering what is a pretty sophisticated p.r. campaign by the isis terrorist group. we saw two propaganda videos released just this week alone,

t.j., so i think you saw the secretary of state really trying to clarify and pick up where josh earnest left off. you talked about the fact that he was in full damage control mode at the end of the week. he went on all of the cable networks and made the point that look, the president does have a broad strategy, he's just refining his strategy when it comes to dealing with isis. we know the pentagon is currently in the process of drawing up military options for the president. the president's other goal, t.j., when he came out and spoke in the briefing room on thursday was to really put the brakes on the idea that military intervention was imminent in syria. his main message was we are still trying to work this out. we are not necessarily going to start launching air strikes over the weekend. countering an impression really that had been left by some of his top military advisers, so i think in that regard, the white house feels as though he did get the message out. the question is what happens next? there is a lot of pressure on president obama to do something. secretary of state john kerry

traveling to the middle east later on this week. he's going to try to start building that international coalition. and what's significant about that, is that it gives us a little bit of a timeframe of when we might see some type of decision coming. building a coalition is going to take some time. it could be a matter of days, if not a matter of weeks. so secretary of state john kerry leaving later on this week. we know that president obama's at the white house today. the white house says he's doing some work and later on today, he'll travel to a private event in westchester, new york, and he'll return a little bit later this evening. he, by the way, goes to nato where i'm sure this will be a big topic next week. >> kristen welker at the white house. thank you, as always. she's giving us a look of things on the president's take of foreign affairs. let me bring in m.j. lee and jackie kucinich. ladies, he also has a domestic agenda, including on immigration reform, that a lot of his supporters have been sitting around and waiting and waiting and waiting.

they might have to wait a little longer. several reports, including one from the "l.a. times," talking about the president and some of these sweeping changes, considering maybe holding some of these off for a little bit. so let me start with you, m.j. what is the mindset around washington, the white house, and particularly democrats in thinking do they want the president to take executive action or make some immigration push before the midterms? >> look, i think we have just a couple of months before the november elections and i think the president knows better than anybody else in washington that getting anything done and getting anything done as substantive as immigration reform is going to be very, very tough. i think if the president had come out this week and said to the public look, i think that this is something that we can get done. i think there would have been a lot of raised eyebrows. really in a situation where we have most members of congress back in their home states focused on getting themselves

re-elected. i think this is an environment we all know is not conducive to the two parties coming together to get something as tough and as divisive as immigration reform done. i think that the president is trying to speak in a way that strikes a realistic tone, and i don't think the white house really has a strategy, other than to say we'll do what we can on our own. and hopefully when members come back after the november elections, this is a problem we can start to address in a more meaningful way. >> you kind of alluded to this, exactly what the president -- some of his words. let's listen to the president himself on the immigration deadline and then i'll bring you in, jackie. >> and it continues to be my belief that if i can't see congressional action, that i need to do at least what i can in order to make the system work better. but, you know, some of these things do affect time lines and we're just going to be working through as systematically as possible in order to get this done.

>> what possibly could get done and when at this point, jackie? if not you two specifically, but other washington reporters and having the same thing. when, when, when, when? >> i mean, very little will be able to get done before the election, if anything. i mean, perhaps lame duck part of congress after certain people have lost or won. maybe then. but even that is highly unlikely. this is such a charged issue. and congress really isn't in the mood to negotiate with each other lately. i'm sure you two have both noticed. also, i don't think red state democrats in particular want a deal, even if they don't align with the president. they're going to have to talk about immigration. and they don't want to have to defend him. most of them don't even want to talk about him. >> i have to get both of you on one other topic. we're talking about senator gillebrand. a lot of people know she made some comments -- or at least a

book. talking about how she is subjected to some pretty outrageous behavior, it would seem, from some of her male colleagues there in washington. "the washington post" wrote that anyone who has spent more than a few moments on capitol hill, none of this should seem surprising. change comes far more slowly up here than in just about any other workplace. what she was talking about is some almost, i don't know, childish locker room frat boy old boys club behavior. as two women there on capitol hill, quite frankly, how is this story being received in washington, d.c. right now? >> look, jackie and i were actually talking about this a little bit in the green room. were either of us surprised to hear about the comments that were made? absolutely not. i think as reporters on capitol hill, as women reporters on capitol hill, you know, we have friends, whether they're fellow reporters, or congressional staffers perhaps, who have received comments that have made

them at times feel perhaps uncomfortable, have felt that the comments were inappropriate, and so no, i think you brought up karen's article on this, that this should not come as a surprise. it doesn't come as a surprise. does that mean that such comments should ever be tolerated? of course not. absolutely not. i think the question of whether the senator should come out and name these people, i think that is a choice that is completely up to her. i would just hope that by bringing this to people's attention, you know, if that accomplishes the positive goal of making more people aware that this is something that happens and is a wide occurrence, then i think that is a positive outcome. >> jackie, take my last 40 seconds here. >> i think m.j. is right. the more that we talk -- we talk a lot about how there are more women in the senate, more women in the house, more women coming to government. but these bastions of sexism definitely still exist. actually, no matter where you work, whether you're in the senate or a fast-food

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now to a story that's striking a chord with many parents, especially those who may have a kid heading off to college. teenagers are never far from their smart phones, which makes it all the more irritating when they don't answer your call. one very resourceful mom is trying to solve the problem of kids ignoring their parents' calls. she created an app called ignore no more. it allows parents to remotely lock their kids' phone if they don't call their momma back. parents seem to love this thing. tom costello with the story. >> reporter: it's a pet peeve among so many parents, kids never seem to answer their cell phones when we call. >> do you always respond right away to mom's cell phone messages or texts? >> definitely not. >> reporter: you don't? >> no. >> reporter: c.j. also ignores calls.

>> for how long? >> maybe a couple hours. >> reporter: now parents have an answer to that. a cell phone app called ignore no more that disables a kid's phone until they answer. >> i would love it. where do i sign up? >> reporter: really? >> absolutely. i have two teenagers. neither of them answer my text. >> reporter: here's how it works. if a teen ignores a parent's phone calls or text, the parent can then lock the teen's phone. no calls, no texts, no games. the teen can only call 911 or the parent who can unlock the phone with a code. >> all he has to do is hit mom and he'll start calling me. >> reporter: houston mom sharon designed the app after she got so frustrated one day when 17-year-old bradley didn't answer her calls. >> all that i needed them to do was let our poor little dog out. >> reporter: a year later, her app has hit the market and it's becoming a big hit with parents. >> parents have e-mailed me,

thanks me for creating this app. >> from a safety perspective, it's a great choice for parents. and it teaches the kids responsibility. >> reporter: but it turns out, and you'll be shocked by this, kids aren't crazy about the idea. >> i don't want this. >> that's not cool. >> why not? >> because it's unfair. what if she doesn't respond to my phone call. >> reporter: it just goes to show you necessity may be the mother of invention, but don't underestimate a mother's frustration can be just as powerful. tom costello, nbc news, bethesda, maryland. >> and thanks for that big idea today. do you have a big idea? you can let us know about it on twitter. use #what'sthebigidea. you can e-mail us. up next, the water fight is back on in detroit. the city is back to telling residents to pay up or have their water shut off.

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officials say they're owed more than $85 million from delinquent accounts. shutoffs resume this week for residents who are over two months behind on payments and haven't worked out a payment plan. richelle riley joins me now from detroit. they have resumed -- just how many people are having their water cut off daily since they resumed these this week?

>> so much of it depends on the number of crews they can send out. we're talking in the hundreds. many of those people can get a payment plan, even if you can't pay your whole bill? >> what's been interesting is the problem was communication. the city did one of the most poorly handled rollouts of this shutout. they're doing what cities across america do. a shutoff notice when people don't pay their bills. but detroit is not just any city. it's a city that declared bankruptcy and everything is seen through the eyes of bankruptcy and you have to pay attention to what's happening with people without money. so you've got people who genu e genuinely could not pay their bills. there are funds that exist. more than 25,000 people have signed up for payment plans. but then you do have some people, who because the water department never enforced paying the bills for some people, who continue to not pay the bill, those are some of the people

they're going after. >> there's a lot of criticism -- there have been protests even. but from the way you see it, the criticism is certainly warranted, but it sounds like there's maybe a miscommunication, but there are some residents who need to take some responsibility as well. even though we're hearing about shutout notices and we can't believe that people could have their water cut off and how inhumane that sounds, some of the responsibility falls with some of these residents who just aren't taking care of business the way they should. and being delinquent willfully. >> like most issues, this one is complex. there are some people who really cannot afford to pay for their water and the city cannot afford to provide it for free. so what they're doing is finding a way to make sure they can do this in a way that's as humane as possible. had they done this this way in the first place, we would not have had the united nations chastising the city and would not have had people around the world wondering what was going

on. >> are people there getting that water -- like you said, the folks who need it, are they making exceptions as well for people who -- if you have elderly, if you have children in the home, are exceptions like that being made? >> they are making them on an individual case basis. the first call, instead of calling the call vvalry, shoulde been to call the water department. they're working with those people. the water department has issued statements and told people on television, if we cut your water off and you're in a dire situation, let us know and we'll cut it back on. and if you're in a dire situation and you've got a shutoff notice, let us know and we won't cut it off. but don't talk to us at all and continue to not pay water bills, which for some people have been months and a few cases years. then we're going to be coming with you with shutoff notices. >> it's complex. a lot of people are shocked to hear this. sounds like you've been covering it certainly some. the city didn't do things right. residents need to get that message out there as well. we're going to keep an eye on

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president obama says there's no strategy in place to combat isis right now. so, what's the next step? we'll outline some possibilities. plus, the new plan to fight ebola. a vaccine is being fast-tracked. when will it be ready? i'll talk to a doctor from the national institute of health. and could there be a new problem on the country's southern border? reports that texas national guardsmen who were called up to help protect the border say they need some help of their own. we'll explain. the united states and great britain are calling for a coalition to fight the middle east militant group isis. secretary of state john kerry in

an op-ed in today's "new york times" said the world must take action against the isis threat. "what's needed to confront its nihilistic vision and genocidal agenda is a global coalition using political, humanitarian, economic, law enforcement, and intelligence tools to support the military force." at a meeting today, british prime minister cameron was expected to push for coordinated action to confront extremists. yesterday, officials in britain raised their threat level to severe, meaning an attack is highly likely. nbc's kelly cobiella is in london with more. how is this changing day-to-day life now for folks there in great britain to have the threat level increased? >> well, it was all over the newspapers this morning and it sort of captured the feeling in the uk, which is one of, i guess trepidation, if not fear. i mean, there is definitely a different feeling today with the

terror alert at severe than there was yesterday, a warning that a terrorist attack is highly likely. this in a country that has experienced that in the past, in the not too distant past as well. there was an incident with a soldier who was killed in broad daylight on the streets of london, his throat slashed by two islamic extremists, and of course, the terrorist attacks back in 2005, where 52 people were killed in bombings across the city, t.j. >> prime minister cameron meeting with eu leaders. u.s. secretary kerry, also defense secretary hagel going to be talking with some of their counterparts in europe as well. what kind of coalition could they possibly be putting together here? >> well, first, let me give you an idea of just how difficult it is to get anything done. with an example in europe. mr. cameron has been pushing for

measures to basically expand cooperation between security services in europe, sharing information about passengers, and this has been a really tough thing to get through because it has to go through the european parliament, and in the european parliament, there are concerns about civil liberties and privacy issues. so that's sort of stalled. when it comes to the military, even a tougher push, t.j., the prime minister here in the uk has really held back when it comes to any sort of military action involving isis, saying that the uk's primary role will be humanitarian, possibly assisting with intelligence gathering as well. and there are concerns about among other nato nations, france and germany included. >> kelly cobiella with us, thank you so much again. let me bring in mark ginsburg, and jack jacobs. let me play it for you first. the sound byte and the quote

that got everybody talking this week. >> i have consulted with congress throughout this process. i am confident that as commander in chief, i have the authorities to engage in the acts that we are conducting currently. as our strategy develops, we will continue to consult with congress, but i don't want to put the cart before the horse. we don't have a strategy yet. >> ambassador ginsburg, what was your interpretation? everybody else has chimed in this week about that, but what was your interpretation when you heard those very words? >> i felt sorry, t.j., for the president and for the country. it's quite clear that for the last four years, this administration has bobbed and weaved and wiggled and waggled about trying to figure out what to do about syria. and there's no border between iraq and syria when it comes to isis. it seems to me incredible that this administration has tied itself up like houdini, trying to deal with isis, when it is

willing to in effect save thousands of refugees out of the tens of thousands who still need to be saved in iraq, but for some reason, consider crossing the border into syria and to attack isis's headquarters and its tank battalions, in this northern city in which it has its headquarters, to be somehow a bridge too far. and quite frankly, i'm glad that the administration and the secretary of state have begun to at least listen to prime minister cameron of britain, who seem to lay out the strategy that the president should have copied word for word. >> colonel jacobs, what did you hear as a military man, quite frankly, anything surprising that isis -- which isn't new necessarily. maybe the american public just starting to get more and more familiar with isis, but our military folks knew and had to know for quite some time. >> in military terms, you start with -- well, you start with an

objective and then a strategy. if you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there. you've got to start at the end and work backwards. the fact that we don't have a strategy is just absolutely startling and extremely dangerous. you can't decide what it is you're going to do until you decide what the strategy is. what are you going to do tactically? that all depends on what the strategy is. the fact that we don't have a strategy is extremely dangerous. >> heard from the president and others saying we know we need to deal with this threat. need to make sure they have not a threat to the united states. does that not sound like at least the goal as you heard it? >> no, that's not good enough. you've got to be very specific about it internally, and to articulate that you really don't know what it is you're going to do to accomplish this wide-ranging goal. it's very dangerous. you need to do that to give guidance to your military people so they can figure out how to use the military instrument of power. >> you just used some words, you

felt sorry for the president and the country at the time, but what message do you think and how that's interpreted? certainly knew the reaction was swift right after the president said it. the white house tried to walk it back and explain it, but what message does that send to our allies in europe and around the region quite frankly about what the united states is prepared to do? >> t.j., we know the president and the american people don't want to put boots on the ground in syria. i'm not a military person. i'll leave it to colonel jacobs. but the fact of the matter is that eradicating the very cancer -- that's the president's word -- against isis requires something more than merely air strikes. now, there are countries in the region, jordan, saudi arabia, lebanon, as well as turkey that have boots possibly able to be put on the ground in order to defeat isis with the united states, britain, france providing the air cover that is necessary.

t.j., we're only talking -- i don't want to underestimate the threat, but we're only talking about 17,000 jihadis who we need to put out of their mystery in northern syria. this is not -- we're not talking about taking on major divisions here. these are people who have been able to run rough shot over innocent civilians because they can't defend themselves. when the united states used air power when they were taking the mosul dam, this is isis forces, or when they were threatening, it was just a matter of days they were stopped because of the air strikes. they can be rolled back. let's not overestimate and over aggrandize what we're really dealing with on a military basis. >> like you said, he's not the military guy, i'm not either, but 17,000. a lot of people are giving them a lot of create for being well-trained. >> they are well-trained. well organized. well financed. ambassador ginsburg may not be a military person, but he sure has the military measure of this.

there's no doubt about the fact that you can't just drop bombs on people, and these people on the ground. that should include those in the region who are most at risk. >> where do you come down as a military guy and having to possibly partner with assad? >> well, you're going to have to partner with assad. it doesn't make any sense not to unless you're going to bring in a very large coalition that includes turks and others in the region, and take the country over. at the end of the day, to paraphrase, or actually to quote harry truman, he may be an s.o.b. but he's our s.o.b. if we want to defeat these people, it's not going to be air strikes alone. we are going to need assistance on the ground. it's going to have to be other people. >> all right, i will leave it there. ambassador ginsburg, colonel jack jacobs, always good to talk to you both. good perspective from both of you. enjoy the rest of your holiday weekend. >> thank you, t.j.

>> we're about ten minutes past the hour. now, the showdown between russia and ukraine. just learned that the european union could be getting closer to issuing new sanctions on russia. eu leaders are meeting in brussels right now where ukraine's president warned his country could be on the verge of all-out war with russia. >> thousands of foreign troops and hundreds of the foreign tanks now on the territory of ukraine. a very high risk. not only for the peace and stability for ukraine, but for the whole stability in europe. >> nbc's moscow producer is with me now. how is russia reacting to what we're getting with the eu right now? >> t.j., good evening. russians don't seem to be

worried about the sanctions. we don't know what the sanctions are going to be, after all. the previous sanctions have not seemed to hit russians particularly hard. the russian government has seemed unfazed and said, well, okay, hit us with sanctions, we will do business elsewhere. so nothing yet. >> how is anyone anticipating a deescalation of the conflict right now with russia and ukraine, especially given some of the even shocking words that we heard from president putin just the other day reminding the world that moscow, that russia is a nuclear power. i think . >> i think to deescalate the situation, both sides have to stop fighting. in order for the conflict to stop, they have to sit down and talk about it rather than fight. >> nbc's moscow producer. simple as that.

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state. the state says it will quickly appeal the ruling. the u.s. government trials of an ebola vaccine will begin next week. it has been tested in animals hazazars promise. ebola has taken more than 1,500 lives and the world health officials fear more than 24,000 people could be afflicted by the spread of the disease is brought under control. dr. anthony faucci is the director at the national institute of health. sir, thank you for being here. why is this one so important? how big of a deal is this that we are moving along with this particular vaccine? >> well, we have to emphasize that the way today that we can control this outbreak is through standard good infection control isolation, quarantine, contact tracing. but when you want to really control in the long run, a

vaccine is going to be very important. what we're talking about that's going to start the day after labor day at the nih in bethesda, maryland, is the first inhuman test of a vaccine that showed very, very promising in an animal model. and it's very early what we call phase one. it's never been in a human before. so we want to make sure it's safe and that it induces the kind of response that we hope for. you want to start slow tloi make sure that we don't get any unexpected adverse reactions to the vaccine. >> we know americans are afraid of trials. they know these things take years. how much time are we talking about with this vaccine? >> we are on a fast track to be sure, because of the situation that exists on the ground. we're starting next week. hopefully by the end of the calendar year, we'll get what we call preliminary safety data, and whether or not it does induce the kind of response that we saw in the monkeys that seem

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really need it. >> we've been seeing some of those graphics we have up. the countries that have been affected most. but there was a new case reported in senegal. w.h.o. saying 40% of the known cases have developed over the past three weeks. doc, what are we doing so wrong? what is the world health community doing so wrong? not an indictment of you and the doctors, but what is happening that we have yet to be able to get this under control? and we're told that maybe we'll end up with 20,000 people infected before this thing maybe gets under control? >> i don't think the world health organizations in general are doing anything wrong. i think it's a situation that's really unprecedented. the previous outbreaks of ebola that were first recognized in 1976, we've had about 24 of them. they usually take place in very geographically restricted small villages where you can get your arms around it right away and essentially eradicate it.

this has a real bad situation, because you have countries with porous borders, and the existing health care infrastructure is really minimal, very poor and unable to do the kind of things that you have to do to get this under control. so that's the challenge. it's kind of the perfect storm of unfortunate things that happen. many people, porous borders, bad ability to health care deliver and do the kind of isolation that you need in very poor countries. so the global community really does have to step to the plate in a much more vigorous and aggressive way. i totally agree with that. >> doctor, always good to talk to you. thank you so much. we appreciate you being here with these ebola updates. thanks so much. >> good to be with you. up next, nypd under the microscope again after revelations of a second restraint related death. the details next.

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the new york city police department facing another investigation after a second restraint-related death. 45-year-old ronald singleton was restrained by officers attempting to arrest him during an incident in july. the medical examiner's office ruled singleton's death a homicide and said that restraint led to his death. singleton was also high on pcp at the time of the arrest. the president of the patrolman's association says drugs put the user's life in jeopardy, not the police. nypd also faces an investigation, of course, into the choke hold death of eric garner, which happened just four days after singleton died in police custody. another look at some of the stories topping this saturday headlines. 22 of at least 26 workers trapped in a nicaragua mine collapse have been rescued.

the whereabouts of the remaining miners not clear at this point but rescue efforts continue. the fate of bob mcdonnell and his wife maureen will soon be in the hands of a jury. closing arguments in the case wrapped up yesterday. the jury will begin deliberating on tuesday. mcdonnell and his wife are facing 14 criminal charges. they illegally accepted more than $170,000 in gifts from a wealthy businessman in exchange for influence and promotion of williams' dietary supplement company. if convicted, they could face decades in prison. comedian joan rivers remains in serious condition this hour at a new york city hospital. rivers went into cardiac arrest thursday at a doctor's office. her daughter released a statement yesterday thanking fans and friends for their support. labor day weekend getting off to a good start for some, soggy for others. louisiana getting soaked with heavy rain. also some dangerous flash flooding there. jeanette calle, meteorologist with us. it's one thing to get rained on.

it's another thing talking about dangerous and severe weather. >> that's right. lots and lots of rainfall. since this morning across sections of southern louisiana, what's going on is there's a lot of tropical moisture surging northward out of the gulf of mexico, producing moderate to heavy rain, especially across southern louisiana where there have been rainfall totals since this morning of two to nine inches of rain, flash flood watches and warnings in effect through this evening across southwest louisiana. so dangerous flooding expected there through at least tonight. there is still the chance for scattered showers and thunderstorms in the big easy on sunday. certainly not as active as today. in the northeast on sunday, the heat and the humidity return. new york city a high of 90 degrees. 85 in new york city. 90 in washington, d.c. chicago looking at a brief break from the wet weather on sunday. we expect to see some thunderstorms getting into chicagoland by monday. on sunday across the northern plains and sections of the central plains, we are tracking a cold front moving in from the northwest.

this will be interacting with some of that moisture from the gulf of mexico. there is the threat for severe thunderstorms capable of producing damaging winds, large hail, anywhere from duluth down to kansas city. labor day monday in the northeast, scattered thunderstorms for the northeast late sunday into early monday. could see some heavy rainfall in parts of the northeast by sunday night, but it looks like many areas in the northeast, t.j., can pull out the grills and have a nice barbecue later monday. but hold off on monday morning. >> a little rain never stopped anybody. it's really about getting that barbecue going. jeanette calle, thank you. always good to have you here. up next, could there be a new problem at the border? texas national guardsmen who are helping the border reportedly say they need some help of their own. breaking this down. we've got a great brain trust for you today. skin cells loose energy. making skin look tired. wake it up! with olay regenerist.

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give a boost to working families. it would help around 28 million americans from all walks of life pay the bills, provide for their kids, and spend that money at local businesses. and that grows the economy for everybody. the bottom line is america deserves a raise, but until we've got a congress that cares about raising working folks wages, it's up to the rest of us to make it happen. >> president obama trying to get back on message, touting his economic record and pushing for a raise in the minimum wage. that was during his weekly address today. august has been a rough month for the president in a lot of ways. his two-week vacation fueled fire for his critics, as he and congress return to washington, though. new reports today indicate the president may put off some of his more controversial executive actions until after the midterm elections. and there could be another problem at the border. you'll remember, texas governor rick perry deployed the national guard to try and get things

under control, but now there are reports those men and women might have to turn to local food banks in south texas because they haven't been paid. let's bring in the brain trust, raul reyes, attorney and contributor to nbcnews.com. also managing editor of fault line. and kim blackwell of the family research council. welcome to you all. going to start with you to get your reaction. there's been a lot of immigration talk, and in this story, we're getting about some of these guardsmen protecting the border not being paid. i shouldn't say being paid. they have to be reimbursed. i guess that imagery of people that are supposed to be protecting us and down there doing duty, end up in the position where they need help themselves. >> i think that any time you have a service member in this country, whether they are in one of our armed services or serving in one of our state national guards, you got to provide for them. if they're going to put their

lives on the line for us, we ought to be putting at least our wallets on the line for them. on that part, on the other hand, i'm not really clear what their job is there on the border, what kind of mandate, what kind of legal jurisdiction they truly have. those are questions that remain to be answered. if you're going to deploy them, you better feed them. >> let's turn. some of those questions, from that story, to yes, there's a broader immigration issue. a border issue. we were talking about this earlier. had a couple reporters on. and keep moving the target. seems like many of the president's supporters have been waiting and waiting. the immigration is coming. i'm going to make a decision. i'm going to take some action even if congress does not. will there be action now, in your opinion, before the midterms, and is that the last thing the democrats want to see? all are going to be going for

re-election, want the president on immigration again. >> i think all americans want border security. there's no reason why any american should be at risk because we have a very porous border. and so cooperation between the state of texas and other border states as well as with the federal government and the national border patrol is warranted. one, securing our border is a high priority. and it's the first step in talking about how we correct the mess that we have now in terms of immigration, process, and policy. >> raul, i'm going to let you take it. raul's here in studio with me. i can tell you wanted to get in there. go ahead. >> i think as the president is gradually moving the time on his action, his executive order, his executive action on immigration, he's running up against two potential political dangers. one is that in this time that he's been waiting, the country has been waiting to see what

he's been doing. the republicans have made a pretty good case against, without even knowing what his action is going to be, they have filled the void. by raising talk of impeachment. so that's a real danger. that that message is out there. and right now the white house seems to be on the defensive about immigration acts. the second danger that the president is running into, the longer that he waits on this immigration action, the greater the expectations are going to be from progressives and people who support immigration reform. so given that we don't even know what he's going to do, he could be taking all this heat, we could have all those people, the white house on the defensive, and for what. it could end up being a very modest proposal. so it would have been better off to err on the sooner side rather than later. move ahead with the consequences. a lawsuit resulting from whatever action it takes. >> before i move on to ferguson, i wanted to get to this. this particular topic of

immigration. we might not get anything before the midterms. >> i don't think the border is any more secure. now we are sending the texas state national guard. i've laid that to the side. but secondly, there's a bit of politics coming here. we have midterm elections coming. if the president makes a move today, there is the notion that he could inspire a right wing base to turn out this fall and miss an opportunity to maintain control of the senate or hold off republicans taking control of the senate. so i've heard today, and i'm not sure if i agree or disagree with this. people are saying what's the difference between the policy on november 3rd as opposed to november 7th. i'm not sure where i come down on this, but i do believe there are some politics at play here. >> let me bring you back in. >> before you turn, i just think we have to all stay focused that border security is real.

when the president on another front says that he's indecisive, confused, or doesn't have a strategy yet, we know that there are folks who would do us harm, that can cross our border, not just 9-year-olds or 15-year-olds. border security is a national security issue that has to be addressed. >> confused is the word you would use for the president? >> those people have passports. >> yeah, absolutely. >> there are others, ms-13 that come up through the border. so we're both right on that case. they're sophisticated folks who have passports who can come to the country and do us harm, but there are other folks that are crossing the border because the border is not secure. >> that is correct, but even the u.s. government acknowledges a nonpartisan institutes that illegal immigration is down over

the last ten years. >> you talk to federal agencies, even the fbi, they will tell you the ms-13 is still coming across the border. that's correct. >> all right. i'm going to stop there. this group is not going to agree. that's why we're here. everybody has a different opinion. i want to get everybody's opinion quickly on one thing. is everyone here in favor of every police officer in this country wearing a camera? >> word. >> absolutely. >> i am. >> everybody is onboard with that. new york is announcing a pilot program now for cops to wear body cameras. they're going to start with 50 officers. there's a petition going on right now that the white house, the white house website that they're going to have to respond to now because they have over 150,000 signatures. people want every cop in this country to wear a body camera. let me start with you on this particular point. are we starting to see -- it's still new. three weeks to the day that mike

brown was shot and killed. but the momentum. will we get momentum for doing this, and what could derail an effort like this? >> i think if there is any singular change that could come out of this case, and by the way, let the facts fall where they may, where this case is concerned, justice means transparency and truth, but at the end of the day, if there's any meaningful change, there is more action behind making certain that all sides are held accountable when these incidents occur, and that means putting cameras on officers. that means making the officer accountable for his or her actions and that means having the suspect or person that they're engaging also be on camera, so their behavior is recorded. so no more he said, she said. it's all on videotape. >> this is something -- you know, this is hugely beneficial for cops. i was amazed to hear how much the city of new york -- i don't have a number off the top of my head. >> 375 million in 2012. >> in claims to folks. >> these are settlements for alleged police brutality,

destruction of property. so i think one of the most common objections to police officers having these cameras outfitting all the police officers is who's going to pay for it. how much is it going to cost. the nitty-gritty financial details. look at these tremendous amounts that cities and even smaller towns are paying out for settlements for brutalities. i do think it's heartening that even before the events in ferguson were already seeing cities across the country, testing out pilot programs and checking out other cities, we're seeing it in denver, houston, south carolina. so this may be -- hopefully will give it more momentum to continue. it really becomes a movement. >> do you see this being a good legacy to come out of what we witnessed in ferguson? >> as a former mayor, let me tell you that there are police unions in favor of the cameras. so yes, when we're dependent upon community police, positive relationships to help us keep our neighborhoods safe, anything

that can reduce suspicious and actually build confidence in the policing that is taking place, in addition to policing strategies in our neighborhoods, and addressing another issue coming out of ferguson, it is shameful that a police force of 53 police officers in a city that is 68% black only has three officers. that is unacceptable and we can do better as we've done across cities across america. >> good note to end on. you all end the rest of your holiday weekend, and i'll talk to you soon. up next, the white house still doing some damage control since president obama said those words, we don't have a strategy yet. how's the white house working to clean that up. right on cue. [cat meows] ♪meow, meow, meow, meow... it's more than just a meal, it's meow mix mealtime. with great taste and 100% complete nutrition,

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on thursday. you'll remember, that's when he said the u.s. doesn't "have a strategy yet" to defeat isis. the white house press secretary says the president was talking specifically about syria and touted the president's mandate for a comprehensive strategy in the region. nbc's kristen welker at the white house. kristen, has the white house being doing anything other than damage control since thursday, and the president said those words. >> that's certainly most of what they have been doing, t.j., and a little bit of context to those comments. the president's main goal was to put the brakes on this idea that air strikes in syria were imminent. he came out to see, look, everyone, i am still waiting to get a final list of options from the pentagon. i'll be meeting with my national security team in the coming days as we discuss those range of options, but nothing is imminent. that was his main goal. as you point out, that comment that he made, we don't have a strategy in syria yet, we made that comment in response to a question from chuck todd saying

do you have to go to congress first before you take military action. he said, look, we're still in the process of trying to figure out exactly what to do. the white house press secretary in damage control mode. he flooded all of the cable shows in the 48 hours after the president made those comments, and clarified that what he meant was that he didn't have a strategy in syria specifically. but that he does have a strategy for dealing with isis. we've already seen that start to take effect in the form of air strikes in iraq, the humanitarian aid, and we saw that reiterated again today in an op-ed that was written by secretary of state john kerry, who talked about the broad strategy that is needed to take on isis. let me read you a little bit of the op-ed from secretary of state kerry. this was published in "the new york times." he wrote, "air strikes alone won't defeat this enemy. a much fuller response is demanded from the world. we need to support iraqi forces and the moderate syrian opposition who are facing isis on the front lines." secretary kerry also talked

about the need to counter what is really a sophisticated p.r. campaign by isis. just this week, they were released two propaganda videos, t.j. secretary of state kerry will be traveling to the middle east this week to try to create an international coalition. and what's significant about that is that it puts a timeline on the president's decision making process. it doesn't seem like he's going to make a decision, at least until secretary kerry gets back from that trip, and until they can determine what type of coalition they would have if there were air strikes or some type of military response in syria. president obama for his part here at the white house today doing some work, and then in just if aa few moments, he's go to head to westchester for a private event. t.j.? >> all right, kristen welker, always a pleasure. straight ahead, a new era begins today in college football. the hated bcs -- remember that?

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new playoff system. we've already seen an upset. let me bring in jimmy roberts of nbc sports here with all that good stuff we're looking forward to with college football. are we going to end up in a situation where we miss the bcs? >> i'd be shocked if we miss the bcs but there will always seem to be an argument as to who got left out and was it justified. this year we're going to end up with a final four. you know what's going to be the issue. the issue is going to be who will be number five. look, they played the first college football game 145 years ago. it took them that long to take a step in the right direction. this is definitely a step in the right direction. my only hope is they don't go from four games in a playoff to eight games in playoff and follow the model that they did in the basketball playoff which

has made the regular season. >> is this going to change how we view the regular season of college football knowing that four teams are going to get in instead of we have to worry about a computer and two teams. >> one of the wonderful things about college football has been for the longest time is that every game really matters. the discussion late into the season is if you're a one loss team you kind of holding your breath and waiting to see if one of top two teams trip themselves up. i think that's still going to be the case. every saturday, every game really matters in college football. i think that the bcs, good riddance to it. they have a 13-member panel who will decide who belongs in the top four teams. there will be two semifinals. one in the rose bowl and one at the sugar bowl. a week later they will play the championship game in gnawly

constructed game. this is going to be all about subjectivity. it's 13 people. we've got five athletic directors. three coachers, two administrators and even a journalist. there's a lot of brain power in there but there's going to be a lot of arguing. >> is there going to be some fatigue. is there scc fatigue out there? is there going to be some fatig fatigue? >> this is one of the questions. the scc has dominated.

it remains to be seen how this plays out. >> you have a final four yet? >> oh, my goodness. no. >> haven't thought about it. >> i think that's pretty much a long shot. >> we're in the same boat. i'm dealing with my arkansas raz razorbacks. >> they play seven ranked teams this year. >> thanks. bye. >> good luck. >> a pleasure to talk to you. thanks so much. enjoy the season. hope to talk to you again. >> thank you. >> that is our show for now. we are about three and a half minutes away from auburn versus arkansas. you can join us back here tomorrow starting at 3:00

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