>> jamaican authorities reporting the plane went down in the ocean 14 miles north of the island. >> its flight plan from naples, florida. >> larry glaser and jane glasier, according to their son ken who spoke to cnbc. >> a tragedy. >> good afternoon, i'm luke russert, we're starting with breaking news, the jamaican military says a unresponsive u.s. plane has crashed into the ocean 14 miles northeast of the island of jamaica. the small private plane triggered a security alert, tailed by a pair of f-15 fighters after it veered off course and pilot failed to respond to calls the plane left rochester bound for naples, florida, but never made the turn it was supposed to make eventually heading over cuban air space where the f-15s peeled off. we want to play audio from the f-15 pilots observing the

unconscious passengers who were on board. >> is he breathing? >> i can see his chest rising and falling, right before i left, it was first time we could see he was actually breathing. it may be a deal where depending on how fast they descend he may regain consciousness once the aircraft starts descending for fuel. >> it's believed the two passengers lost consciousness potentially due to deappreciate you'rization and condition known as high poxia, his son ken confirms to cnbc, that mr. glazer and his wife jane were the only passengers on board. joining me on the phone is retired nbc news correspondent and aviation specialist, bob hager. the first thing that came to mind when i heard this was payne stewart, the golfer who died in

a similar situation where the plane actually lost pressurization and was escorted to a field out in the plain states in the u.s. is that what happened here, that there's a depressurization in the cabin and the plane eventually crashes. >> it looks like that is what happened and it does bear remarkable similarity to payne stewart and five others o board that plane in 1999. something went wrong probably with the pressurization system, could have been a seal somewhere on the plane. could have been something with pressurization system itself, that tends -- that operates off the engine and gathers in, bleed air they call it from the engine and circulates and cools it and circulates it through the plane. could be something to do with that system or with a pilot's mishandling of the system.

could have been something very quick or more likely something that came on very slowly and so that the pilots didn't even realize what was happening. and with that, with oxygen, starvation, what happens is that it comes on so slowly that you don't realize yourself what's happening and you begin to lose judgment is the key thing. then so that was what they speculated happened in the payne stewart crash and it looks like that's what happened here as well. >> bob hager, stay with us. joining me now is former ntsb kregter greg fife, an interesting development is the video recording of the f-15 pilots escorting the plane. one saying to the other i can see the pilot breathing he's slumped over, perhaps there's a chance he could come to as the plane would go to a lower altitude and more oxygen went into the cabin. is that a likely possibility

that perhaps the pilot would have come to to some degree prior to crash or when he was out he was out? >> well, again, physioology is based on a pilot's health, a younger pilot will be different than a pilot who is 60 years old. if a pilot is exposed to an oxygen deprivation issue, it is possible but after an hour, two hoursz, three hours, no matter what altitude you get down to, it may be you're too far gone because you've been exposed too long. that would be speculating whether or not this pilot would have come to after five hours in a high altitude lack of oxygen situation. >> it's private plane, going

from rochester to naples, florida, it comes into question how much experience he had and what was the plane operating at when it was flying. what do we know about these type of aircrafts and how easy they are to fly for private pilots. >> it's a fairly complex plane as i understand it, not easy to fly. that's one thing that certainly could have been a factor in this place is experience. and experience in recognizing the issue if indeed the issue was depressurization, which it sure looks like, another question is, plane 14 miles off the coast in the water it's valuable to know what caused this. you can see if it's something that has to be fixed on other models of this plane. so the question is whether this wreckage probably sinks to the bottom and how deep is the water

there. is it feasible to bring up wreckage and examine it. but a close examination of the wreckage in an ideal situation you might be able to tell if there was something wrong with the pressurization system. >> and greg, i want to go to you about the investigation into the crash. obviously this plane crashed in jamai jamaica. it left u.s. air space. what does that mean for the investigation? will u.s. authorities still be able to access that site or do jamaicans take the lead completely? >> if the jamaicans find it was in their territory and international waters, they will be the lead investigative authority. they will sends an invite to the ntsb because it is being operated by a u.s. citizen and invite the ntsb and expertise to assist them. the big part of this is going to be not only the gathering of the data that we already know about

that is air traffic control information and things like that, pilot background and all of the information we can get from family. but the bigger issue will be whether or not they can recover a substantial amount of wreckage to determine if in fact there was a mechanical malfunction or failure that ended up being the facilitator of this type of event. >> on that point, we heard what bob hager said, this can come on slowly, that perhaps the pilot might not know it's occurring, that having a little trouble breathing but not noticing it that much. how do these type of incidents usually start? is it a crack in the fuselage or leak or mechanical problem for depressurization? >> well, those are all good questions. it can be a combination of any one of those or singular event. the pressurization system on any airplane such as this or even a commercial airliner is a very complex system from the standpoint that it relies on

what we call outflow valves and things that will hold the pressurization in the aircraft. if there's a leak and you have a seal that's leaking, it can be very slow and insidious to the pilot because as the cabin starts to rise the pilot will become a little tired and feel a little nausiated and fingers start to turn blue because of that lack of oxygen. or if you have a rapid decompression, it's a startling event, it catches you by surprise and lose your breath because literally the pressurization is trying to equalize with the outside atmosphere and pulls breath out of it. this sounds a little more insidious, the pay lot was aware of a problem and did report it but didn't perceive it as a threat. that is, he didn't think he kneeleded to expedite his descent down to 10,000 feet and asking for basically assistance from atc.

if he really thought it was an emergency, he would have declared it, which he didn't do. >> bob hager we have knowledge that he did not declare an emergency. obviously he was a private pilot. we don't know how much experience he had or what his flight hours were. in this type of situation, does that jump out at you, he did not make a decision, even though he knew something was perhaps wrong to declare an emergency? >> don't want to jump to conclusions because you don't know what it was he did know, he knew something was wrong. >> it may be given the evidence in front of him he didn't understand the nature of the emergency. one thing -- one point to make here is just because on any accident, people talk about the black boxes, small plane like

this, there wouldn't be a black box. a black box in the case of flight data recorder, which on a big plane monitors all of the different systems, that would tell you what happened and why the plane was losing oxygen but as i say, a small plane like this, there aren't black boxes. >> bob hager from nbc news, retired aviation correspondent and specialist, thanks so much for your time and greg feith. >> cease-fire is in effect for ukraine but will it hold, i'll speak with moderator of "meet the press," chuck todd next on "now." in new york state, we're changing the way we do business, with startup ny. we've created tax free zones throughout the state. and startup ny companies will be investing hundreds of millions of dollars in jobs and infrastructure. thanks to startup ny, businesses can operate tax free for 10 years. no property tax. no business tax. and no sales tax.

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to russia is clear, we mean what we say. that message coming as the u.s. and european leader even with a tense cease-fire with ukraine is holding, at least for now. the troops hope to halt five months of fighting between ukrainian forces and russian backed separatists. at the press conference earlier today the president said the u.s. and allies are in a wait and see mode. >> we are hopeful but based on past experience also skeptical that in fact the separatists will follow through and the russians will stop by letting ukraine's sovereignty and integrity. it has to be tested. >> part of the amped up pressure, the announcement of a new spearhead force, 4,000 strong head quartered in eastern europe and able to respond lightning quick to any potential aggressor, along with this the promise of more sanctions that

will be slapped down despite the cease-fire. with the promise thb could be lifted if it sticks. >> the path for russia to rejoin the community of nations that respects international law is still there. and we encourage president putin to take it. >> joining me now so talk about all of this is chuck todd, who will debut as the new moderator of "meet the press" this sunday. congratulations on that and thanks for coming on the show. >> thank you, sir. >> this was supposed to be august and early september a month about action on immigration for president obama or those type of issues, it's been totally washed out by things out of his control abroad, isis, ukraine and russia, how can the president get back on his feet to controlling the narrative, or is he at mercy of international events at least through the

mid-terms it seems? >> honestly, i think they've thrown in the towel on that front. you remember -- you use the phrase year of action and infamous memo, senior adviser to the president wrote in january of '14, they put their whole state of the union around that idea, year of action, immigration was among the key components they wanted to do. then today he is asked by immigration, you hit on the important stuff having to do with nato and putin and ukraine. isis is front and center on the president's agenda. it sounded he was punting immigration when he was asked the question. i haven't been focused on it and you're going, hu huxt, if you haven't been focused on it, that doesn't sound like somebody who plans on introducing it 60 days before the election. i think you see where that's going. he knows these foreign crises are front and center for him and seem to be more concerned about

preparing the american people for what is going to be war footing again. it was all but him saying that. when he used specific language, unambiguous saying things like we're going to degrade and ultimately destroy disis, it means we have a long-term issue he's going to be asking the american public to back him up. >> and isis as of right now he has the authority that goes through october 8th and continue the air strikes -- >> probably ksh. >> november 8th with the extra month extension. >> exactly right. there's an argument that some of the white house could make and they could continuously restart the clock and make it specific. all of that being said -- >> they don't want to do that. >> at some point it looks like he has to go to congress. one thing we've heard from folks on the republican side and democratic side, what is the

clear concise plan? what is the clear strategy? he's not going to have the easiest time in the world in congress. obviously they are supportive of something against isis but they are going to really want answers and try to get it out of this white house. >> they are. i think that's been president obama's own hesitancy. a lot of people have correctly pointed out, he seems to be sometimes in a different place on this issue, maybe than his vice president is. secretary of state and secretary of defense and even national security aids. he hasn't answered the question for himself and this is one of the questions i want to ask tomorrow, but he hasn't answered the question himself about whether you're done going after is isis in syria, then what? what responsibility does the united states have to do to rebuild syria? he admits one of his regrets was basically knocking out gadhafi in libya and leaving a vacuum there that created the chaotic

situation that we have today in libya. if he's got those questions, luke, how many of those 535 guys that you cover every day have those questions? >> it's interesting, you almost think he'll want to punt as long as possible by extending the deadline before he can kind of come up with a clear and concise strategy. one thing the administration seems to be doing, putting a lot of faith in the new iraqi government, this idea that perhaps the iraqi security forces can be emboldened by this fight and can kind of refit it the new regime and join with the peshmerga, that we'll have air strikes but they'll have to do operation on the ground. there's no political appetite for troops on the ground. if this continues to be a hair are situation, you'll have hawkish members saying put in special forces. do you see a world he might have to move in that capacity or is the entire desire not to get

involved in these ground wars going to supersede that? >> i think you heard him today say it has to be other nations. they have made the assessment, you talk about iraq, i think they are being hopeful that yes, maybe iraq can handle this themselves. the iraq portion of the isis fight. but let's talk about syria. you're not relying on assad to do this. you don't have a partner there at all and not relying on iran to do this. assad's big brother there that's been supporting his regime. what you hear is they would like to see some other sunni nations and other muslim nations put the boots on the ground in syria. the u.s. will support those efforts, maybe the u.s. will help this in that in a special forces capacity or drone capacity but they know there needs to be boots on the ground. they don't want them to be american boots. it's a fair question. i had a random viewer e-mail me, remind me, the united states gives a lot of military weaponry

to saudi arabia, are they ever going to use it or always want the united states to do it for them? it was a little snarky but i understand the sentiment, there is this exhaustion among the american public and maybe even perhaps inside the obama administration that some of our arab allies don't stay front and center in the fight. >> they get a tochb u.s. support financially and never want us to be associated with us when the going gets tough. >> nbc's chuck todd, thank you so much. moderator of "meet the press." don't forget to catch chuck's exclusive interview with president obama which he debuts this sunday on nbc news. check your local listings, it's going to be great. we have more breaking news this hour. we're getting reports that a u.s. charter plane flying from bagram air field in afghanistan to dubai with 100 americans on board has landed in iran after iranian officials question its flight plan.

joining me now to talk about this is nbc news chief pentagon correspondent jim miklaszewski, i understand this was a bureaucratic issue that forced the plane down. radio control in iran said to the pilot, you do not have the fight plan filed to fly through our air space, get down. this is a common flight that goes through for u.s. contractors i'm told. what do we know happened here? is this iran saying we're not going to let you slip through? >> that's not it at all. this is not a u.s. charter plane. it is actually a fly dubai plane chartered by the government, essentially in dubai. what they do is they ferry primarily u.s. contractors back and forth between bagram air base in afghanistan to dubai. i've taken that flight myself, it's not open to the public, you need military orders to do it but it usually goes off without a hitch. this time, according to u.s.

officials, when this flight took off from dubai -- from the bagram air base in afghanistan, it actually took off three hours late. but failed to refile a flight plan. so when the air controllers in iran saw on their radars this plane coming into their air space and looked at their schedules, it didn't match. now, clearly those flights also ping their identity. they could have easily figured out what the flight was that it was not a threat. but in this case the iranian ground controllers ordered the plane to land in southern iran at an air strip there. or iranian fighter jets would be scrambled to force the plane down. now the pilot of that plane, who's a dubai pilot wisely and voluntarily landed the plane and this is all going to be worked out according to state department officials who say they expect the issue to be

resolved soon but people familiar with the way these things work say look, flight dubai is going to have to pay off iranians and going to have to buy fuel. maybe spend a day or two on the ground just to teach everybody a lesson but nobody thinks this is the kind of sort of diplomatic disaster that it very well could turn into. now, they are not off the ground yet. they are not out of there yet but officials here think the negotiations under way will resolve this sometimes soon. >> we do not foresee a prolonged harassment of the passengers on this plane by iran, at least that's what we understand right now? >> i wouldn't think so but who knows, once they are on the ground there in southern iran, but nobody here thinks that's the issue and again, you know, they could have easily been allowed to fly through the air space with a little air to ground communications but for whatever reason, these ground controllers -- and probably they were taking orders from higher

up, said no, you've got to land. and that's the situation there. >> well, god willing everyone will get off safely. nbc news chief correspondent jim miklaszewski. thanks for joining us. just ahead, coalition of the willing, nine nations have agreed to stand with the united states in the fight against isis, what will this offensive look like? i'll speak with ed royce and jill dougherty next on "now." there's a saying in our family. you can do anything... if you keep a good head on your shoulders. that's why we use head & shoulders shampoo and conditioners. it keeps us 100% flake free. so i just have gorgeous hair. head & shoulders. the world's #1 dandruff shampoo.

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are the most likely to join u.s. in air strikes. president obama refutesed to elaborate object specific commitments by various alliance members. >> there's great conviction that we have to act as part of the international community to degrade and ultimately destroy isil, i'm confident we'll build on that strong foundation and the clear commitment and have the kind of coalition that will be required for the sustained effort we need isil back. >> the president also noted in addition to nato members the u.s. expects to receive support from regional partners in the coming days. >> i think it is absolutely critical that we have arab states and specifically sunni majority states that are rejecting the kind of extremist

nilism we're seeing out of isil that say that is not what islam is about and prepared to join us actively in the fight. >> knows regional partners are likely to include saudi arabia and qatar and jordan. specifically closing down turkey's 565 mile border with syria as a key entry point for diss is militants and he sat down with king abdullah to discuss the intelligence gaernling capabilities. the u.s. conducted four more air strikes within last 48 hours and as the president reiterated, u.s. troops would not be put on the ground inside syria, saying, i don't think that's necessary to accomplish our goal. joining me now is republican congressman from california's 39th district, ed royce. thanks for being on the program. >> thank you, luke. >> president obama essentially

has until about october 8th to continue to use air strikes against isis without congressional approval, could punt that to november 8th using extraordinary measures. what would you like to hear specifically from the administration regarding strategy? >> well, the key problem we have had with isis for some time is the fact that we have not had a comprehensive plan to keep it from using a basic sanctuary to train and launch attacks. for counter terrorism, you want to eliminate the sanctuary and eliminate the training grounds where they are bringing in foreign fighters. we do not support u.s. troops on ground but do however support concerted effort on the part of the u.s. using air power. >> there is some speculation within congress that a lack of specificity from the administration is actually being done on purpose.

i want to read a quote from josh rogue an, he said there's widespread frustration in both parties about president obama's admission that we don't have the strategy yet but now it is protecting obama from oversight because congress can't authorize or reject what it can't understand. do you think the administration is holding back they don't want to get specific on this and want to continue to operate under the legality they are operating under right snou. >> i think the problem here is the administration does not have a plan because the president did not want to support the idea of using u.s. air power or armed drones to go after isis, now we've paid a very grave cost because fighters have taken city after city, in every case, had we hit them as we have suggested, had we hit them with air power, you would have been able to really destroy these

units on the ground. so we've had a lost opportunity as a consequence what the world is seeing is an organization pushing the caliphate that's recruiting worldwide and seemingly invincible. we need to reverse that impression. >> so despite the possible back pr fallout that could occur from drone strikes, you think at this point drone strikes routine are needed against isis? >> early on, if when we saw those columns move across the desert with their flags flying and black flag and the insurgents in those vehicles, there's no question we should have used armed drones or air power in this day and age, you don't need spotters on the ground. can you fly over those columns and hit the columns and take those insurgents out. that what we should have been doing seven months ago. that was a request from our embassy to do that and that was what the administration decided not to do. as a consequence, they've now

dug in and this is a problem. >> ed royce, foreign affairs committee, thanks for joining us, we appreciate it. >> joining me now, with the kennone institute at the wilson center, jill dougherty. >> hi, luke. >> this alliance we have here, u.s., u.k., france, germany, can did, australia, turkey poland and denmark, the countries that jumps out to me is turkey because they share a border with syria, they are an islamic country. how important of a role is turkey going to play in this coalition against isis and will they be willing to go to the degree of which the u.s. and uk needs to route out isis from your understanding? >> well, again there are a lot of details that aren't known but turkey in a lot of these issues, especially the issue of terrorism plays a very large role in that entire region. don't forget, when you look at isis, it's in at least two

countries, you have it in iraq. you have it in syria. and that complicates exactly how you can go against -- against them and deteriorate their ability to carry out terrorist acts. so i think you'd have to say that turkey is -- they in principle would be of course willing to do it. it's what can they actually physically present but they are key. >> we've been having difficulty getting together the type of international coalition we saw during the goulf war that paid for a lot of military operations and u.s. has been front and center, but john kerry seems to be very much of the belief that this type of coalition could work and could work for long term. he said this could become conceivably a model that could help with boek ka hboekco har rm

and other groups. is this the type of coalition needed for what teaseems to be minimum a multiyear commitment? >> it's a template, the u.s. can't do it, even a few individual western countries can't do it. you have to have countries in the region who support this. look at some of the important ones, saudi arabia, qatar, very important in dealing with this. it can't be a west against this group. it has to be other countries and especially countries from that region. >> how do you get saudi arabia and get qatar and uae? they get millions from us. they have all of our arments but never seem to want to be involved directly in the fight. they always want to hold back and don't want to be hand in hand with the united states when the going gets tough. is there something we can do with those types of countries to prod them along. is there a carrot and stick method you know of? >> there are economic methods,

assistance that the u.s. presents but there's the philosophical rationale, which is if you do this, it helps you. you saudi arabia, qatar, if you do it, you eventually begin to degrade the cape abltd of isis. is that can be april very potent argument. it's being used in a lot of different places right now in the world but it has to -- when they buy in, they have to buy in not only because they have a big stick even if it's economic, it has to be the carrot that really it makes sense to them. >> we certainly will see so many air bases and air fields in saudi arabia and qatar that we use that are still a big secret. the woodrow wilson center's jill dougherty, thanks for being on the show. >> we'll have more on the breaking news story this afternoon, a private plane with unresponsive pilot that crashed off the coast of jamaica. that's next on "now." don't go anywhere.

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welcome back, we continue to monitor breaking news, the u.s. coast guard now initiated a search and rescue mission off the coast of jamaica after a private plane crashed in the region this afternoon. it belonged to larry glazer, his son ken confirmed to cnbc, that larry and his wife jane were the only two passengers on board. it took off about 8:26 a.m. this morning. around 10:00 a.m. it stopped responding to calls and two fixt f-15 fighter jets were dispatched and found the pilot unconscious but breathing. it descended at 2:15 this afternoon. joining me now is mary murray and we're in the search and rescue phase of this ordeal. but an interesting development occurred when this plane went past florida, went into cuban

air space. it can no longer be accompanied by united states jets because of diplomatic issues between cuba and the united states. how did that play out from your position there on the groun in havana? >> it's kind of fascinating. we have very strong indication that cuba and the u.s. instead of being at odds, which they normally are, they were pretty much on the same page today. it seems that at no time did the cuban authorities treat a run away plane from the u.s. as any sort of threat and that in itself is remarkable. it seems to be because there was a direct communication between cuban and american authorities apparently i'm told that cuba had been aware that the u.s. was tracking this plane shortly after the u.s. lost communication with the pilot, apparently the u.s. told cuba

they were trying to discover why this pilot was unresponsive and gotten off the radar so to speak. they opened up a direct channel of communications with cuba. they told havana that this was not some kind of rogue threat but was more in the nature of what we're told medical emergency and it's been indicated to me that as that plane came closer to cuban air space, havana then told the u.s. that the cuban airports would take over from this point. so they sent up a cuban military plane most likely it was a russian made mig and scrambled that to track the 700. when that plane came into cuban air space, we're told the cuban pilot also observed that the u.s. pilot of the small plane was unresponsive and i'm told cuban authorities apparently instantly shared that observation with the u.s.

government. so luke, today you have real cooperation between these classic cold war enemies. >> potentially a silver lining in what is a turning out most likely to be a sad and tragic incident. and nbc news havana bureau chief, mary murray. what's the matter with a kansas? a democratic senate candidate is trying to drop out but the republican attorney general says not so fast, my friend. i'll speak with the "washington post" robert costa and msnbc steve kornacki on why republicans stand a better chance of holding that seat if there's a democrat on the ballot. that's ahead on "now." you drop 40 grand on a new set of wheels, then... wham! a minivan t-bones you. guess what: your insurance company will only give you 37-thousand to replace it. "depreciation" they claim. "how can my car depreciate before it's first oil change?" you ask. maybe the better question is,

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there's something the matter with kansas and could determine who controls the u.s. senate next year. late wednesday chad taylor ended

his campaign. but apparently that wasn't good enough for kansas's republican secretary of state chris co-bach. he declared he must remain on ballot. why? because a little known kansas law requiring candidates dropping out to declare why they are incapable of serving if elected. >> this has nothing to do with the party. the law is the law. frankly, i wish this shoe were on the other foot and it was a republican's withdrawal we're talking about. bupt the law is quite clear on this. >> who could possibly have read the law any other way? chad taylor, according to taylor, he quote specifically asked the secretary of state's office about the proper wording and certification and drafted his message accordingly. but senate candidates don't just terminate their campaign minutes before the filing deadline without an explanation. taylor is running against three term republican capitol hill veteran pat roberts, roberts as

"new york times" reported earlier this year, doesn't even have a home in the state. pat roberts is needless to say vulnerable. with chad taylor on the ballot, the vote was between taylor and another candidate, orman, who has a better shot of taking down pat roberts. in a head to head matchup, orman beats roberts 43-33 according to democratic firm public policy polling. joining me now to talk about this, host of msnbc's "up with steve kornacki" and from the "washington post," robert costa. thanks so much for joining us. steve, i want to start with you, the legalese is fascinating. the republican attorney general is essentially saying no, no, you can't get off the ballot because you didn't provide a specific reason. what constitutes a specific reason, that i didn't wake up this morning feeling i wanted to do it. my dog told me not to do it.

>> why you're not capable of serving too which gets beyond i don't want to serve. you have to prove you're not capable of serving. there's always the wild card and seen this happen where the law seems clear. you can find a court that might read it a different way. i doubt it would happen in kansas but seen in other states where this could happen. overall, if you look at how the law is written, the likelihood is the name will stay on the ballot and the question becomes, does the democrat by having his name on ballot, do enough people vote for him who otherwise vote for the independent, to cost orman the opportunity he has -- >> you have democratic operatives trying to educate people, orman, orman. bob costa, i want to go to you, pat roberts is not spending that much money as of right now. he obviously did a lot to knock off his tea party challenger but it seems they are going to come

in and try to save pat roberts, somebody similar to thad cochran, not had to run a real race for some time. how much does this worry the national republican party and how much are they going to do to try to get roberts over the finish line. >> it's a very troubling situation for national republicans, they never thought they would have to put time and resources into kansas, a deeply conservative state. they are sending a long time republican consultant to the state to try to kick start the campaign and ousted the campaign manager a long time confident, kicked off the campaign yesterday. a real shake upand a lot of concern and worry. >> kansas is interesting right now, the governor is sam brownback, who positioned himself as a tea party prag natic governor who could lead is facing a revot. a lot of moderate republicans are endorsing the democratic

challenger and what is happening there? >> he's facing revolt, really the backlash, a generation ago it was sam brownback and republicans in kansas going up -- always a republican state but pragmatic brand of republicanism, eisenhower republicanism. >> bob dole. >> and sam brownback was the revolt against it. when bob dole left the senate to run for president in '96, special election for the seat, moderate republicans appointed to fill the seat and sam brownback challenge the during the primary and it was the conservatives versus the establishment. then became the governor. when he became governor he tried to purge the moderate republicans and led campaigns against -- part of campaigns against eight incumbent state senators who lost seats in primaries in 2012. you're seeing the backlash, that wing of the party in kansas saying we're not supporting this guy for re-election, we're going to endorse the democrats. >> and it's rubbing off a little

bit on roberts. >> you see more independent minded or more moderate republicans getting behind the independent. bob costa, i want to go to you again. even if orman somehow pulls off the upset of pat roberts, he's given no indication he would caucus with democrats, he voted for president obama in 2008 and mitt romney in 20e 12 and go wi the party in power. you and i are political junkkys, what would happen if the difference between 50 and 50 and 51/69 was greg orman, you have to think the republican party is trying to put feelers into him to say, don't completely abandon us here. >> what i'm hering though, luke, it's democrats in washington leading the process and whispering to orman, maybe run as middle of the road conservative type independent. >> you think he would go for

that? >> i think so. i think harry reid will make a major play to keep the majority and keep orman on his side. that's why taylor got out of the race. mitch mcconnell thought kansas would be in his column. look for him to make a call from kentucky to kansas to try to maybe get orman on his side. a lot of politicking for that one single vote. >> it's amazing to see, all of this derived from a 1997 kansas law, to keep taylor here on ballot. from your reading of this, this is a place where republicans did not want to have to play defense and that's why it's important. do you think of the resources where the moneys have to go in there, if anything else, this helps democrats in the fact it gives them another place where they can sort of siphon off resources as they try to protect other areas like north carolina? >> here's the problem, the reason why they weren't expecting to contest the state because it's kansas, 82 years since they sent a democrat to the senate.

the way they win right now, way they beat orman is by basically making orman functionally the democrat in the race. the democrats cut a dirty deal with them, electing this guy, he'll vote for harry reid. they are going to treat him like a democrat for the next several months. if he wins this and they have to turn around and come according, they've spent the last three months trying to savage the guy basically. that's the problem they have. they win by tolerating him as a democrat and they have to side with us, they have to beat him now. >> you've seen crazier things in politics. steve kornacki, everyone tune in tomorrow morning. and bob costa, we appreciate it. thank you so much. coming up next, we are going to talk about dr. richard sock ra, back on u.s. for treatment. there are no doses left of the experimental drug taken by two other americans. we'll look at the treatment he'll be receiving next on now. if i can impart one lesson to a

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