waiting it out. the president decides to delay action on an issue that could be a flash point in the midterm elections. a live report on this developing story. still a mystery. the search for the so-called ghost plane that crashed somewhere near jamaica. there's new information today. the food gap. the difference is growing between what the wealthy and the poor eat. details on a new study this hour. the last days of vietnam. a new documentary takes a look at the war that still burns in the memory of many americans. we're going to bring you a preview. hello, everyone, it's high noon in the east. welcome to "weekends with alex witt." president obama has decided to

delay on taking any action on immigration reform. let's go to the white house and luke russert. what have you learned about this? >> reporter: a white house official told us the reason the president is delaying this decision is due to midterm politics. the reality is the president has had to weigh in the midst of the political season and because of the republican's extreme politicalization of this issue the president believes it would be harmful to the policy itself and the long-term prospects of comprehensive immigration reform to announce administrative action before the elections. it's rare you have the president, much less any politician, admit that their action is a direct -- it is directly being changed because of elections. but in this case, the white house is up front. i spoke to one aide and i said the words "red state democrat," is that what this is about? they sort of acknowledge yes.

this is about those races in louisiana. it's about those races in north carolina. arkansas. alaska. where there's vulnerable red state democrats that if the president were to have an executive action on immigration reform, that could potentially inflame the older whiter electorate, it could have dire consequences for those races. >> so how difficult a decision do you think this was for the president? and basically what you're telling me, if he still intends on doing something, it's giving it up in the short term because he wants to do something comprehensive based on the elections that would last long term, is that it? >> no, it really is just trying to give cover to those vulnerable red state democrats. you think about this, alex, and it's a very fair question. there will be, perhaps, some families broken up, some people deported within this two-month span between now and the elections, simply for midterm politics. if the law's going to change in

2 1/2 months, why are we waiting 2 1/2 months? well, is it for political reasons? i think if you sort of look at where this could be beneficial politically, it really is only in some of the gubernatorial races like pennsylvania and florida. and those are not as big a priority for the white house as trying to keep the senate in democratic hands. but make in mistake, we're hearing from a lot of immigration reform activists who are upset about this news, that they don't believe the white house and senate democrats have done enough. and interestingly, i spoke to a few my sources on capitol hill. it's my day job, as you know, alex. they've been split. some say this is great. it gives democrats a lot of cover. others say, you know what, we should own this issue and this might spur latino turnout in places like north carolina and give us a better chance. so that debate will be settled as we go into the election season. make no mistake about this, alex, this wasn't to get the policy better or to try to involve more people.

this is done for political reasons. >> okay. hey, by the way, i'm glad you're moonlighting for us at the white house this weekend. >> thanks for having me. >> we're going to hear more from president tomorrow morning when we hear chuck todd's inaugural broadcast as moderator of "meet the press." the new york city medical examiner's office says further tests are needed to determine the exact cause of death for joan rivers. she passed away thursday a week after suffering cardiac arrest during a medical procedure on her throat. as preparations are made for her funeral tomorrow in new york city, an investigation into her death is under way. and nbc's ron mott is in new york with the latest on that. word is it's routine, it would be done in a situation like this normally, right? >> yes. hey there, alex. it's a routine investigation. especially considering the type of procedure that joan rivers was undergoing. and that's of her throat area. it is normally a very, very safe

procedure. one death out of 10,000 procedures performed in this country. so the risks are pretty low. when you introduce sedation, that's when you add comb pla i ka s complications at the procedure. we know apparently she stopped breathing during that procedure and had to be rushed to the hop and, as you mentioned, she died a week later. the autopsy is inconclusive. the medical examiner says tests are necessary to come up with the cause and manner of death. the new york state health department is the agency that is handling this investigation. the clinic where this procedure was taking place has been fully cooperative. our own dr. nancy snyderman has talked to a number of doctors in the city and around the country who know the clinic and say they are very highly regarded, highly skilled physicians. so it's going to be a matter of trying to discover what happened, what went wrong. so many of these procedures are safe. people have them done every day. >> pretty routine and pretty quick, i might add. i know john rivers did a lot

jokes over what kind of funeral she wanted. so what are the plans on that? >> well, she joked about telling melissa that -- her daughter melissa, that everything is in her name, she wanted a big grand setoff. there's a parade going right past us on fifth avenue. she wanted a hollywood-type sendoff. she apparently is going to get it. she wants a red carpet out there so the guests coming to the services tomorrow just around the corner at the temple em emanu-el will walk the red carpet, and then the red carpet will be placed in the casket with joan rivers. a witty way for her to go home, as it were. >> okay, thank you so much, ron mott. we invite all of you to watch the special "celebrating joan rivers" tonight at 6:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. an important discovery about the crash of a small plane on

its way to naples, florida, when something went wrong, and that plane mysteriously continued to fly south past cuba. norad reported the pilot was slumped over the controls but they could only watch and wait for that plane to crash. on board, a prominent real estate developer and his wife. nbc's mark potter has more from port antonio, jamaica. >> reporter: the sun back up now on the north coast of jamaica. the search for the debris and for the victims continues now in full. this is the area where authorities say the crash went down. we're on the north coast of jamaica. that's the caribbean sea. authorities say about 14 miles out is where the crash occurred in a northeasterly direction. now, today, the jamaican authorities are saying they may have made an important discovery about 24 miles off shore, 24 nautical miles, a statement from the jamaican defense force says they believe they found a debris

field out there and some pictures have been published publicly. they also send out a statement, saying, quote, while it is not yet possible to confirm the debris sited is from the missing tnb-900, our pilots are very confident that the sighting is consistent with that of a high-impact debris field. this has since been cooperated by a united states coast guard c-130 aircraft involved in the operation, end quote. now, today, the jamaican coast guard is back out there. they've got aircraft out there trying to confirm that those pieces actually did come from that aircraft. the jamaicans say they have not yet found the victims. they have not found any personal effects. all they are saying they have spotted are what they believe are pieces from that aircraft. they also say there are some problems out there. the debris field is shifting because of the currents. the water is very deep out there. as much as a mile. there's been some bad water,

both here on land and off shore. you can see sort of the rough weather out there. with those conditions, they are trying as best they can to pick up the debris, to identify it, and to determine more about what happened with that flight yesterday. back to you. >> okay, mark, thank you for that. other news now. a charter plane carrying more than 100 american citizens had to make an unexpected landing in iran. the charter was fly from bagram air base in afghanistan to dubai. an initial report suggested that plane was forced down by iranian jets but the state department denied that report. a u.s. official reportedly said the incident happened because of confusion over the plane's flight plane and it was simply a civilian aviation matter. that plane landed later in dubai without any further incident. the eastern part of ukraine is quiet today. as a cease-fire appears to be holding. ukraine, russia and kremlinbacked separatists agreed to the cease-fire after four months of bloodshed. president obama said he's hopeful it will continue. detroit is facing a power

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small new jersey city would spark a political scandal that threatened to take down one of the top republican contenders for 2016. the george washington bridge scandal put the inside politics of governor christie's new jersey on the national front page. but now that the headlines have tapered off, where's the story today? joining me now, the best guy to ask that question, msnbc's steve kornac kornacki. i'm so glad you stuck around, thank you, through the morning here. do we have a clear picture today of what really went on in chris christ christie's office? >> no, we don't. we really don't have that many answers right now. what we have are the prospect of answers. a sense of some of the people they've talked to but this u.s. attorney's office, this is the same job chris christie once had, when chris christie was in new jersey, there were a lot of leaks, the media found out a lot. this is the complete opposite. the best reporters in new

jersey, the most well-connected legal reporters in new jersey do not know exactly what's going on in that office. so you've got the question of the bridge itself. you've got the question of david sampson, christie'sconfidant, the chairman of the port authority, business dealings with him, and then the allegations from the mayor of hoboken about sandy aid money being denied to her city because they wouldn't go along with the development project. you've got three separate things here. we know in some way the u.s. attorney's office is looking at all of them. we don't know who exactly they've talked to. there's a lot of mystery here. >> a lot of stuff we don't know yet. interesting to me is the officer who came on scene, whose duty it was routinely to go and check the traffic patterns in the morning. he has quite an explosive story to talk about. can you tell a little bit of what he's showinging? >> basically, a year ago when these shutdowns are happening. traffic chaos on the new jersey side. and this officer is basically

trying to alert the higher-ups. we have a problem, we need to take action. he's told from his superior officer "shut up." that's what comes back. in terms of the significance of that, does that broaden our understanding of who's involved here or what we know about this? not really, i don't think, because i don't think we still -- we know that the people at the port authority understood this was going to cause some problems. by design this was supposed to screw it up. what it shows is there was an officer there who was presumably answering to some of the other people on the new jersey side. and when this officer was saying, you know, why don't we do something to fix this, no, we're going to -- this is the operation we're doing. >> do we know if he was reprimanded for that? >> no, it certainly doesn't seem that way. >> let's talk about christie being in new mexico this week. what he wanted to do was go there for a trade mission. why is that? because he says that would be national politics? >> yeah, first of all, the fact

that he's there is obviously says something about his national ambitions. and it says something about the particular challenge republicans face. the particular challenge that republican candidates face when their party has done so poorly with latino vote for so long. the idea of how much more diverse the american electorate's getting. if you want to win in 2016, whatever candidate you are, you need to do better there. he's making a gesture. at the same time, the specific issue of immigration, which has a lot to do with why republicans haven't fared that well with latino voters. christie's kind of hog tied because in his past, 5, 10 years ago, before he was a presidential prospect, he said things and did things on immigration that put him -- that marked him as sort of a moderate. a republican primary in 2016 would tell very conservative republican primary and caucusgoers we're not going to touch him, all of this stuff. it's an issue that he doesn't want to talk about it right now because if he doesn't talk about stuff that will make the base happy, it's going to hurt him in the general election. >> okay, let's also talk about

an issue that's closer to home for him, and that is the closing of all these atlantic city casinos, which is putting economic stress on the state certainly. this was a gleaming multibillion-dollar industry for him. what happened? has he made public the plans to make up the revenue that's going to be lost in the garden state? >> no, no one knows. the interesting stuff is the big casino that's closing right now, the one that the state gave all the incentives to. it's completely bombed. now, the deal they cut with revel basically said you're not going to get your tax credits unless you make a profit. the state can say, we didn't give them any money because they never turned a profit. what christies would say is, look, this is a gambling city. it used to be, you go back a generation, you look on the east coast, where are the casinos, only one place, atlantic city, new jersey. you either had to fly to las vegas or drive to atlantic city, your two choices.

in the 25 years since then, delaware has slots, connecticut, new york, massachusetts. there are slots on rhode island. there are like 50 casinos in that same region. atlantic city, you don't -- by being atlantic city, you don't attract day trippers anymore. they have other places to go. looking at that, looking at that competition, it's just gone all around you, how two years ago do you say, yeah, let's invest in a huge new casino in a city that already has 12 of them. >> hey, i like you on this set, come back more often. >> sure, less pressure as a guest so it works for me. >> i like you as a guest and a host. thank you. catch steven every saturday and sunday morning at 8:00 eastern time. ahead, the new documentary chronicling the final days of the vietnam war and the heroic decisions made by american soldiers. i am so nervous right now, it's not even funny. oh my gosh...

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these people were dead men walking. sometimes there's an issue not of legal and illegal but right or wrong. i borrowed a truck and i drove them to the air base. i had told them, when you hear three thumps, that means hold the baby's mouths, don't breathe, don't talk, don't make any noise. i was going to get then out. >> well, that was a scene from the new documentary "last days in vietnam" which chronicles the final hours of what is perhaps to this day america's most controversial war. as the north vietnamese closed in on then saigon in the spring of 1975, panic cripped the capital. the south vietnamese who worked with the americans for years now faced certain peril with no evacuation plan in place. a number of americans ignored the official orders and struggled to the end to save as many lives as possible. joining me now, the emmy award winning director and producer of the film rory kennedy.

i've been fascinated by this chapter in american history for age, as have you. as your family involvement, your uncle, your father, were closely tied to the issues. what is it that made you want to do this now? >> i've always felt that vietnam is a seminal event in our nation's history. to look at these final days and what happened in this war, i think many of us are familiar with the iconic image of the helicopter on top of the embassy. but many of us don't know what happened beyond that. and the fact that, in fact, it wasn't even the embassy. >> it was a cia office, correct? >> yes, exactly. and so -- as we're -- you know, we were at the brink of getting out of afghanistan and iraq and i felt that there were a lot of insights we could glean from this moment in history. >> what did you learn while make the film that surprised you the most? >> well, the events that took place are really extraordinary.

it's remarkable to me how little we know about what happened. so just to share those events with people i think is really important. but beyond that, and really what excited me most about this story is uncovering some of the stories like you just showed there, these americans who -- and vietnamese who went against u.s. policy which at that point was to just get americans out of the country. there were about 6,000 americans in the country at that time. to get -- and went against u.s. policy, risking their lives potentially and certainly their jobs to get the vietnamese out of the country. these are people they had worked with. they had relationships with. some them had families with. and they didn't feel like they could just abandon them. and knowing they were extremely vulnerable, that they might be tortured, killed, put in reeducation camps. so there was a lot at stake. >> there was, but there was no evacuation plan there until the 11th hour.

really, did our ambassador there, did he have legitimate reason to think that the fall of saigon wasn't imminent? >> well, as the movie, the film documents, you know, the ambassador was really the gatekeeper of when to start the evacuation plan. there was a plan in place. it wasn't as thought through as it might have been. but he was very resistant for personal reasons. help had lost his son in vietnam. he was very attached to preserving south vietnam. he was really i think arguably in denial about the fact that it was imminently going to collapse. and because of that, many vietnamese who should have gotten out of the country didn't get out of the country. so there were these makeshift operations that were put into place by people under the radar to get as many vietnamese out as possible. >> let's watch more, everyone, a clip from "the last days of vietnam." >> one vietnamese colonel putting his family on the plane, he had wanted to stay in vietnam

to defend the country. and this colonel had like eight kids and a wife. he was in tears. the family -- the family were in tears. and i said to him, get on the plane. just go. go. it was a terrible, terrible, terrible moral dilemma. >> i was going to ask you how the evacuation affected the people there. but you can tell. deeply, profoundly. >> yeah, well, stewart harrington who you just saw there, he was put in a very difficult situation where he was one of the marines who was at the embassy at the very end. and they were frantically getting people out the epbase. throughout the day, into the evening, 3:45, the ambassador

finally left. and then they were told no more helicopters were going to come. but there were 420 people still in the embassy who didn't get out. and he was the one who had to tell them, we're going to get you out, you're in america, you're on american soil, i won't leave until you leave. and then he snk uck up and he left. while he was looking down, he thought how horrible this was and what a moment of abandonment to our friends and our colleagues. you know, it really captures this moment i think that kind of encapsulates the javietnam war. >> there are many iraqis and afghans involved in these wars that we've been involved in most recently, they've worked with americans. their lives have been threatened. and are we doing what we have promised to do to help them? >> no, we're not. and you can -- you know, the parallels are remarkable. and when you see the images recently that cape out of iraq, where families were trying to

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welcome back to "weekends with alex witt." the white house has announced that president obama will not use his executive authority on immigration reform until after elections in november. he said taking action would be dangerous for the policy. joining me is our next guest, it's graeeat to see you. for the advocates of immigration reform, how do they interpret this news? is it another source of frustration on the issue? >> it's very frustrating. it's not surprising but it's still frustrating. the question for me is, what is the electoral fallout? we know we're trying to protect vulnerable democrats. trying to shore up that support. but what about latino voters? what if latino voters just get too impatient? they say, we're not going to

wait any longer. and we're going to show our impatience by not turning out to vote. hence having the same effect of losing the senate. we saw in 2010 latinos stayed home. they were very frustrated by measures such as sb-70 and others. the fear is the calculation is wrong and you may gain those moderate, nonlatino voters, but you use that mobilization of the upcoming latino voters, especially the youth. >> okay, but, there is a flip side to the argument. you've alluded to part of that. do you understand why the president might want the delay? because he wants to give the democrats the best chance to win the seats in the midterps and that might help immigration reform big picture. >> yes, and that's why he's between a rock and a hard place, alex. you know, where you see if you can hang on to the senate. by that strategy. but, again, the fear is that you lose that latino vote and that latino mobilization and then,

hence, what happens then, then you get stuck with the republican senate. the other thing is, the president is going to have to go back. he is going to to come back with a big bouquet of flowers with late tinos and say, here's not t a big action but a really big action. so what he's trying to sell in the next few months. >> how much will it hurt if your first supposition of what might happen, how much do you think we're talking about here? what percentage of people may stay home? >> you know, like we saw in 2010, we saw a record level of low turnout for latinos. i could see this going anywhere from 5 to 10% of the latino electoral that's not turning out to vote. >> that's big. >> you know, and i think there has been so much momentum. we've seen the demonstrations. we've seen that anxiety among the youth where they want change. and, alex, we've been promised, since 2008, that something would

happen, and we get, you know, getting put off. so is it going to bubble over in 2014? maybe, maybe not. maybe they'll be more patience. we'll see. >> do you get a sense that in 2014 in 2016, latinos will vote as a bloc? and if so, might the gop lose them for a generation? >> i think in 2014, we're going to have to wait and see how these next couple of weeks play out, how the frustration dissipates. in 2016, if anything, if president obama's executive action he's promised isn't big enough, i actually see a window for the gop to come in and say, hey, the democrats didn't make good on their promise, let us show you how we can do it. i'm not saying how that's necessary going to happen because there's still some conservative elements in the gop, but it opens up a slight window for them. >> okay, victoria, always good

to talk to you, thank you. could u.s. air power be next? speaking at a nato summit yesterday, president obama described a much more aggressive stance in america's aggression against isis. >> we'll defeat isil, the same way we've gone after al qaeda. we've been very systemic and methodical in going after these kinds of organizations that may threaten u.s. personnel and the homeland. and that deliberation allows us to do it right. >> joining me now is democratic congressman jim hines, member of the house intelligence committee. welcome back, good to see you. >> good to be back. >> we have degrade and defeat. does president obama need to consult congress to take it to this new level? >> he does, in my opinion, need

to consult congress, as i think presidents should constitutionally always consult congress when they get involved in war making. look, speaking for myself, i agree with the president. isis is a very dangerous pestilence that we need to participate in and, in fact, lead the effort to eliminate. but that effort really needs to have a bunch of characteristics that don't lend themselves to the kind of "bring them on" rhetoric that i think some people have been hoping for from the president. we need to have a debate. we need to make sure the american people understand what the limits are and exactly what we intend to do. we need to do this as part of a coalition which includes arabs and muslim countries. we need to remember that this is now a transnational problem. there's talk about, oh, gosh, do you go into syria, is it just iraq? can you imagine telling isis, we're going after you in iraq but not in syria? therefore, yes, it is essential that the congress have both debate and a role in figuring

how the how we proceed. >> as if the borderline between the two countries would do anything to keep isis from crossing other it anyway. let's look at the language. with respect to the situation on the ground in syria, we will not place u.s. ground troops to try to control the areas that are part of the conflict inside syria. the key words here, to try to control the areas. in your interpretation, sir, does that only rule out an occupation and not necessarily offensive action on the ground? >> well, look, speaking for myself, i think i speak for a lot of people, i would be hesitant to go beyond the one thing that the united states can do which nobody else can do, which is deliver truly stunning air power against these guys. remember, these guys are of mowing in armored vehicles across open desert. we can do a lot of damage as the president has done in the last couple of weeks to these guys. i personally would be deeply opposed to boots on the ground. you need to step back and think,

you know, our mission here is a little like the successful mission against the head of al shabab in somalia, killed by the department of defense just a couple of days ago. it is not, and it must not be, to get involved in the civil war in syria. and it's not a bright line, right. isis is obviously on one side of that civil war. we need to be very careful we don't find ourselves fighting a civil war in syria, my god, fighting both sides of the civil war in syria, if we're still serious about seeing assad leave. we need to make sure this does not become us being on the shiite side of a sunni/shiite conflagration in the region. >> i just took in everything you said. pretty heavy stuff. >> it's a complicated issue. >> extremely. i spoke with chuck todd this morning. he said that the white house policy on isis depends on whom you speak with in the building. i'm curious about the intelligence community. you serve on that committee.

the people you speak to, the ones who have seen all the evidence, what do they tell you? >> i think saying there's no consensus on policy is not right. there has been an evolving policy, just as isis, you know, frankly we've known about isis for a long time, but i'm not sure anybody predicted they would take a third of sunni iraq and, you know, i would agree with those who say that the president has not been as direct and as clear in articulating strategy. certainly a line about not having a strategy was very unfortunate. americans need to understand if what they're hoping for is a president who shows up and says, we're going to destroy these guys in a week, bring it on. we paid a price for that kind of rhetoric and that approach to foreign policy in the last 15 years. this is a little more like what george h.w. bush did.

george w. bush paid a cost for the decision to do it. you stay away from expanding your mission and nation building. that is not something that lends itself either to a 30-second talking point or to being cooked up in a weekend in the situation room. >> democratic congressman jim hines, thank you so much. the racial breakdown of ferg sop, missouri, compared to its workforce and the role that could play in the new federal investigation. mmmmmmm. look out.

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you have ferguson's mayor, you have the police chief. they say, look, we welcome the investigation. what specifically will the justice department be looking for? >> last month, when attorney general holder visited ferguson, he said that people consistently expressed to him concern over general police practices, the lack of diversity of the ferguson police force and also specific allegations of misconduct. after those conversations and in looking at police records, he decided that a probe was warranted. so what this probe is, it's called a pattern and practices investigation. they're going to analyze the data. look at arrests. searches. stops of ferguson residents. they're also going to look at police officer's use of force and police officer's use of deadly force and analyze whether there is a history in ferguson of police officers misusing force and abusing residents and not acting accordingly to the policies and procedures of that police department. >> you mentioned the racial

breakdown. i'm ask my director to put up the numbers. we have a graphic that shows that. 94% are white. you look at the city itself and two-thirds are african-american. if this investigation uncovers wrongdoing, what, then, happens next? >> so then the department of justice could then oversee the ferguson police department. and they could put an agreement into place with the ferguson police department about certain policies and procedures. they're currently about 13 agreements in place between the department of justice and police departments around the country. that's the most that's been in place in the department of justice's history. so they're going to look at the stops. and if there's racial profiling that happens on a widespread basis in ferguson. remember, the police chief in the case of mike brown said he was initially stopped because mike brown was walking in the street, versus the sidewalk. >> jay walking basically. >> right. >> yeah.

what happens, though? can individual officers be prosecuted if they're found of wrongdoing? >> yes, if there are allegations, if the department of justice finds that crimes have been committed, yes, they will be prosecuted. but what most often happens in these cases is the department of justice works and they work to put agreements in place with these police departments. they work with them. because they want these police departments to build up trust in the communities and be able to work with residents in the communities and not have this animosity between residents and police officers. they really want to analyze the officer's actions and the data to see if they are behaving and policing accordingly. >> there are concurrent investigations under way because the justice department is also looking into the actual shooting of michael brown separately. what's the latest on that investigation? >> that investigation is still going forward. it's going to take some time. in most of these cases, the department of justice likes for the state to go forward first,

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a new study shows the food gap between the rich and the poor has doubled. a 12-year study of eating habits showed the diets of low-income americans worsened while they improved for the wealthy. joining me now, tracy mcmillan, author of "the new face of hunger." i'm real curious about this study and how this food gap changed. talk about it. >> yes, the american medical association was tracking what happened to the quality of american diets for about the last 10 to 12 year. we saw that the quality of diet

gap between low-income and upper-income americans basically doubled. so in 2007, 2006, it was like a few points difference and then it doubled since then. >> yeah. this report though in some ways kind of served as a report card for the american diet. you write there were some improvements, right, over the 12 years, and if so, what were they? >> the improvements were primarily a consumption of transfats and improvement in drinking sugary beverages like pop and juice and things like that. what's interesting about that, the report authors point that out, those are two areas we've been active in public policy and sort of shifting what's available in the food supply as opposed to just cog the kind of nutrition advice we do and advising people to eat fruits and vegetables. all we're doing pretty much is psas about eat fruit and

vegetables and consumption didn't really change at all. >> your national geographic article is titled "the new face of hunger." it shows a very personal side of the problem of food insecurity. i'd like you to quickly tell us about some of the people. we have jackie. >> a single mother of two. she lives in the suburbs of houston. and she's someone who works full time. so she's a home health aide supporting two sons making about 7 bucks an hour. when i met her, she was in a transitional homeless shelter. throughout the year, she will just straight up run out of food and have to go to a food bank or ask friends for food. what's interesting about jackie, she's really emblematic of food insecurity, in that it's really a problem for working people, not just folks living on the street right now. 70% of the households who run out of food every year actually have someone who's working. >> want to show a picture of the

reams family. they're from iowa. talk about them. >> yeah, so the reams family was really fascinating. they live on a disability check of the father, joseph who is disabled with m.s. key yard ra takes care of him and their four kids. she has a high school education but sort of had to make the calculation that she couldn't really go to work if she was going to take care of her family. but healthy food is important to her. so she canned. she forages. she barters with people because she can do things like face painting, make soap, things like that. she's somebody who's able to feed her family a very healthy diet, even though they have very little money. they're living on about $1,200 a month. it becomes a full-time job for her. >> another one is rose marie. >> a retired school teacher. she was a principal for a while. she had a very nice middle class life for a good long time. and then she lost her home and everything sort of spiraled out of control. so by the time i met her, she was in her 70s and she was

living in a ramada inn in the suburbs of houston as well. what was interesting about rose is when i would talk to her, she said, oh, i'm fine, i have plenty of food, but it's really good to stay at this hotel because you get free corn flakes for breakfast. she spent a lot of her time traveling around the area to different food banks and food pantries to make sure she had enough. when people are food insecure, they're sort of making food into a full-time job in order to stay fed. >> i think it's important we put faces with these issues. it makes it much more personal. tracy mcmillan, thank you so much, appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. >> ahead, homegrown terrorism. how do we stop americans who have been radicalized overseas from returning to the u.s.? like my car insurance. i saved 15% in fifteen minutes. don't live in shirlee's world, live in the modern world. where you could save money on car insurance in half the time. esurance, backed by allstate. click or call.

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to stop terrorists from using a u.s. city as a recruiting ground. the fury of high winds puts hundreds of thousands in the dark. and what does apple have up its sleeve? what can we expect it to unveil next week? good day to all of you. here's what's happening. we have some breaking news to share. the president will delay any executive action on immigration reform until after the midterm elections in november. let's go to the white house. and nbc's luke russert for the very latest. what happened? >> well, taking the advice, alex, of some of the folks who are trying to get democratic senators elected, president

obama put off this decision until after the midterm. it's rare you would hear a president or a politician actually admit that the decision is due to politics, but in this case, admitting it. saying it's such an overly sensitive issue, they want to do this not through the lens of the midterms. i spoke to a aide and brought up the term red state democrat and they sort of acknowledged, yes, that was the reason. states like louisiana, north carolina, arkansas, alaska. states where red state democrats are facing a difficult prospect at re-election, having the president act unilaterally through executive action on an issue like immigration reform, a passionate issue on both sides, but in the context of an electoral that's older and whiter who we expect to see throughout the country, but

especially in those states, they would probably be more problematic then it would be benefici beneficial. however, there's a side of the democratic party, i've spoken to some of those folks who said if you're going to do it in two months and you've already announced that, why don't you just do it now and we can at least get some benefit from it and double down on it. not surprisingly, because of this announcement, republicans are saying this smacks of raw politics. those were the words from the speaker of the house john boehner today. who also said it's never a good type to declare amnesty by switch action. this is essentially what they will view any type of executive action regarding immigration reform. you hear that key word, amnesty. that's probably why some of those folks who are trying to get democratic senators elected said, mr. president, wait, we don't want to have to take on that amnesty attack for two months heading into november 2nd. >> okay. laying it all out for us from the white house. thank you, luke.

let's go now to another developing story. detroit is trying to recover from a storm that knocked out power to hundreds of thousands of customers. wind gusts of up to 75 miles an hour tore down more than 2,000 power lines. one 40-year-old man in warren was killed after he stepped on a downed power line. joining me now is the senior vice president of electrical operations. what did you see and hear during this storm? >> well, yesterday, as you mentioned the numbers, over the course of several hours, late afternoon and into the evening, high winds, 75 mile an hour gusts, heavy rain, lightning. some hail. but as you can imagine, it took down a number of trees, poles. resulted in more than 2,000 wire downs in our service territory. >> how many customers are without power and how long do you think it will be before it's

restored? if you're talking about a couple of thousand power lines down, they're not going to be replaced easily or put back up easily. >> that's only part of the damage as you can imagine. a number of poles and transformers are down. currently, 340 customers still out. we expect to have the bulk of those restored. about 90% or so restored by monday. the end of day monday is our goal. >> were you guys given a heads up as to the number coming your way? >> nothing like this. we expected about 50,000 customers to go out over the course of those storms. this is much, much stronger than we anticipatanticipated. it really picked up steam as it came through. >> i talked about relatives talking about this incredibly dark huge cloud over the area that was rather frightening. any idea, guesstimates when you'll have things back to normal? >> we mentioned, 90%. we have 600 linemen out there

now. we've requested assistance from a number of other states and we're getting those over the course of today and tomorrow. we'll have 1,000 linemen out there restoring power. 90% by the end of day monday. and then of course clean-up. a lot of clean-up and a lot of -- the next couple of days, wednesday. >> best of luck getting it all done. thanks for speaking with us. comedian joan rivers will be laid to rest tomorrow. a service just blocks away from where the icon lived. the 81-year-old died thursday, a week after suffering cardiac arrest during a medical procedure on her throat. memorials from manhattan to hollywood continue to grow as fans remember the woman who made them laugh for decades. nbc's ron mott outside her new york apartment with more. >> reporter: as we all know, comedy was joan rivers' art.

we also know style was a part of her persona as well. she was a style maven. she talked about what we were all wearing. she also talked about how to behave herself in social interactions. she had her own unique style and it helped build an empire. >> reporter: for 50 years, joan rivers talked and america listened and laughed. for nearly a quarter century, she also talked her way into a formidable sales force. pitching her line of products on cable tv, building a booming fortune for herself along the way. >> of course she was a trail blazer for women in comedy but she was also an incredibly smart business woman. she sold products on qvc for 24 years, massed over $1 billion in sales, and she had her own line of everything from clothing to accessories to beauty products. >> reporter: her comedy chops landed her regular sit-downs on johnny carson's coach and his chair as guest host. qvc's chief said we knew joan

nose only as an extraordinary business woman but a generous spirit. joan rivers worldwide enterprises managed her powerful brandy. websites. tv shows. books. appearances. a lavish designer lifestyle, including a remarkable new york city penthouse featured on her reality show with her daughter melissa that redefined the word big. roughly 25,000 square feet of opulence. which she tried unsuccessfully to sell for $29.5 million two years ago. for as much money and fame as she earned during her life, questions are swirling about the circumstances of her death at the manhattan clinic where she reportedly stopped breathing during an end scopic procedure last week. the health department is investigating, as is routine. >> you were the first one to say i'm funny and thank you for that. >> reporter: joan rivers always talked about when she died she wanted to have a big fancy hollywood-type sendoff.

apparently she's going to get that wish. the funeral services health just a few blocks away. there will be a red carpet for all the invited guest and family members for the service and once the service is over, they will roll that red carpet and they will put it in the casket with miss rivers. that's the latest here, alex. on the upper side of manhattan, back to you. >> we invite you to watch the special celebrating joan rivers tonight on msnbc. western leaders were confronted with crises, the terror of isis in the middle east and the simmering conflict in ukraine. i spoke to "meet the press's" chuck todd. i began by asking chuck about president obama's changing tone on isis. >> people around him have been pushing him on this for quite some time. it's been noticeable publicly. you've seen joe biden, john kerry, chuck hagel, have much

more dire language in describing the isis threat that president did for some time. now, they're clearly all on the same page. this is a methodical plan the president wants. the next step is they would like to get some middle east allies that helped them go into syria. the president took the whole idea of u.s. boots off the ground, but he was careful to say u.s. boots. i think ultimately they hope in this larger coalition, one that will have middle eastern countries involved that if they need boots on the ground, it can be boots from, say, saudi arabia, boots from the uae, boots from gordon, that it's another arab country that is on the ground there in syria, not u.s. boots. i think part of that has to do with domestic politics. it's not going to be the easiest sell to congress to authorize a large mission like this if it's the u.s. fully taking the lead with boots on the ground. >> which brings me to what, as you know, david ignatius did this week.

he compared it to having a case of the slows. does the white house feel its tactics are either just not understood or is the very idea to lead from behind? >> well, it's interesting, if i thought the white house were speaking as one, i could say, yes, you know, yes or no on that. there's been some division inside this white house. you can tell. any time you see what appears to be one day, one entity says this, one day, another one. you can tell there's disagreement behind the scenes a little bit. the president is a reluctant warrior. he knows he wasn't elected to continue america on a war footing. if anything, he pledged to get us off of a war footing just as recently, i believe, as his second inaugural. now, he's about to go to congress, ask for a new authorization for an enens had military operation of some sort. that's not what he expected to be doing in year six of his presidency. think it's him personally, this r

reluctan reluctance. there's not a good answer. it's not like you want to be propping up the assad regime. that's why this is such a complexion problem. >> the other answer is -- >> that was part of my conversation earlier today. be sure to catch chuck todd as moderator of "meet the press." now, the ferguson police department has some explaining to do to the justice department. what questions will the police have to answer and what is likely to change in ferguson. that's next. is holly. her long day of outdoor adventure starts with knee pain. and a choice. take 6 tylenol in a day or just 2 aleve for all day relief. onward! years later, she still is. sara was glowing. nice'n easy color looks lit by the sun with luminous lowlights and shimmering highlights. she's more radiant than ever. nice'n easy, for the most natural shade of you.

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authorities in jamaica say they've made an important discovery in the mysterious crash of a small private plane off the coast it the plane took off from rochester, new york, en route to naples, florida, but something went wrong.

two u.s. fighter jets were scrambled to follow the plane. they reported seeing the pilot slumped over the controls with the windows frosted over before it crash. nbc's mark potter is in port anton antonio, jamaica. what is the new discovery? what can you tell us? >> well, it's potentially important discovery. unfortunate', it's one they were not able to confirm. they cannot confirm now. they can't repeat. they can't find it again. here's what happened. yesterday, a crew with the jamaican defense force, a helicopter crew, spotted with what they clearly believe is a debris field, off shore here about 20 miles off of the north coast of jamaica. a crew also from the u.s. coast guard spotted the same thing and adegreed it looked like a high impact aircraft debris field. so they called ships in to verify what they have seen.

unfortunately, the ships could not find anything. and then subsequent flights early this morning and even just a little more than an hour ago still can't find anything. so it's tantalizing. they shot photographs of it. they distributed photographs. they're talking about those photographs. but they just can't replicate it now and they weren't able to confirm what those pilots saw. currently, they are still searching a wide area out there behind me with cutters and other boats and aircrafts circling. the u.s. coast guard is also there hennilping out. they are saying they have not seen anything related to the victims. they haven't found the victims. they haven't found any personal effects. all they can say right now is that after now almost a day of searching they have locateded what might be parts of an aircraft, but unfortunately, it's just unconfirmed, alex. >> other mark potter, thank you for that update, we appreciate

it. the justice department has launched a broad investigation into the actions of the ferguson police department. this comes nearly a month after the fatal shooting of michael brown. attorney general holder ordered the probe after hearing firsthand complaints that alleged systemic problems with tactics used by police. the mayor and police chief say they welcome the investigation. >> i take no personal offense to it at all. in the end, the justice department is going to try to improve the quality of policing nationwide. >> don't shoot! >> nationwide last month's shooting triggered the debate about deadly force and the law. joining us, tracy kasee. welcome to you. i know you are a 25-year veteran with the denver police department as well as what you're doing at ucla. what type of evidence would the justice department need to launch a federal probe like this into a police force?

>> well, you have the evidence already. so you have the unrest in ferguson. but one of the things that the department of justice is going to do is now going to be looking at its broader civil rights violations. so it will come in and look at patterns and practices in ferguson. so they'll be looking at things like arrests, traffic stops, training. they want to sit down with command staff and community and try to get a bigger picture on what's really going on in ferguson. >> what about the racial composition of ferguson's population versus that of the police force? how does that play into the investigation? >> well, typically doj, they look at policy violation, when they're looking at civil rights. this particular piece of having the department reflect the community is something that's typically handled within their employment section. but it really ties into this, because if you want a police department that's reflective of the community, you have to have community trust. and you have to be able to recruit from that community.

and it becomes very difficult when you're trying to recruit people of color and there is trust issues within those communities. it doesn't really make it easy for police departments to say this is a place for you and this is a place that we need you in order to help us, you know, to deliver equitable policing. >> as you know, "the wall street journal" reporting that nypd officers are going to begin testing two types of body cameras over the next several months. they're aimed at making interactions between police and citizens more transparent. do you think it's effective? >> well, you know, cameras are effective but really the science and the study on how effective they are really has not come in yet. what we know cameras do, as you stated it provided that transparency. it also gives you both sides of the story as long as policy is followed. one thing it does not take the place of, it does not take the police of relationship and trust within the community.

definitely having the tools is very important. but making sure you have that trust and partnership with the community. >> the police force as a whole, what can they do to effectively integrate themselves within the community they're supposed to be protecting? >> a lot of police departments are already doing it. you will see neighborhood police officers. precinct police officers that are very familiar. and definitely are attending meetings. they're sitting down with neighbors and asking what's going on in the community. and tailoring their response to those needs. so there's more than just responding to the 911 calls. it's also making sure you have those partnerships in place. so when something does happen, you have a relationship and contact on the ground, so you can really begin to solve those issues. >> ucla's dr. kasee, thank you. apple hopes to restore the luster to its lineup.

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the anticipation's growing. we're just three days away from apple's next big gadget event. industry experts are speculating we're going to see a new i-phone, a new ipad, maybe the i-watch. and everyone has an opinion. >> i don't want like a tablet on my ear. >> i think it would be cool to have a larger screen. >> it needs to fit in your pocket still and in your bag. >> the benefits of a larger screen when you're almost 50 years old is that you can see better. >> well, joining me now, the senior tech analyst, christina warren. let's talk about the possible changes you're expecting. let's start with the iphone and ipad. >> we're expecting to see not one but two new iphones. the rumor is there will be a 4.7 inch iphone which is bigger than the current iphone 5-s that's

out now and a mammoth gigantic 5 1/2 inch one. with i-pad, we're hearing a gold ipad air with updated specs and touch i.d. >> what about all this buzz around this i-watch? >> lots of buzz. not a whole lot of concrete details. what that means is i think the size of the event. apple has invited more people than they traditionally invite. it's going to be a big deal. we're expecting to see some sort of wearable, probably a watch. apple shows it off but it would the be shipping for a couple of months. >> any chance an i-watch could replace the iphone? >> i think one day we might be able to be there especially once battery is better. you might be able to do more things at leetast in terms of wireless communications.

think right now most wearables are focused on being a complement to your phone. not fa i kas, the time, weather, stocks, things like that. without having to take your phone out of your pocket. but you still want the phone to read the news, watch videos, play games, text with friends. >> any other news you're hearing about? >> with apple, there's always something. >> they're so good at that, aren't they? >> they're so good. we're all obsessed. we've been hearing rumors about the watch for years. it's all finally going to come together. apple keeps saying they've got the best product lineup ever in the works and so expectations are high, but they usually deliver. so we're looking forward to it. >> consumers and people like you that are in the business to watch it, you're listening, but what about the competition like samsung? how do you expect them to respond to what happens on tuesday? >> samsung announced their own slate of new devices this week

at ifa in berlin. they've announced a new note 4 phone. they've also announced a note edge which is an interesting device and new smart watches. think apple is in a great position. they're coming out after everyone has already announced their big plans. samsung is great at getting new products out the door faster than just about anybody. so i wouldn't put it past them if we see something really unique from apple that samsung will follow suit in february or march. he went to fight for isis and now his hometown has become an apparent recruiting ground for terrorists. what are u.s. authorities doing to stop it? that's next. y so we're doing things dad's way. which means i get... two. (singing) snack time and lunch. (singing) snack time and lunch. gogurt because lunch needs some fun. then you'll know how uncomfortable it can be.

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same hospital as the other two health workers. now, the latest on his condition. how is the doctor today? >> we are told his condition has not changed from yesterday. that is to say he is sick, but in stable condition. we just spoke to a member of his medical team. this is the first actual patient they've had in the specialty bio containment unit. she says that everything is running smoothly just as they've done in the drills. we know he's receiving what is described as aggressive supportive care. doctors are working to keep his body going so it can continue to fight the ebola virus as they look at a number of experimental-type secrets including blood serum from a recovered ebola patient. that's what the world health organization be recommended done in africa and it's one of the possibilities here. he's also going to get a mental

boost today. his wife and at least one of his sons are en route to the hospital, where they'll be able to meet with him via a video conference system. the medical staff says that should have a profound effect on his mental state as he continues to recover. as i said, this is one of four of these specialty bio containment units in the country. this is actually the largest. it has ten beds in it. they don't anticipate receiving any new patients in the near feature but they say with the outbreak growing continuing to grow in africa, it does seem a bit inevitable they will eventually accept more patients, alex. >> you talk about experimental drug. is this the z-mapp drug? because he accidedidn't get the administered to other patients, right? >> right, the first time we heard about that was with the first two infected americans who came back to the states. it appeared to show a lot of

promise in them. doctors are hesitant to say that was the tipping point that cured them. it did show a lot of promise. there were seven patients given zma zmapp. now that supply is exhausted and the company says it's going to take months to make more. but that isn't the only experimental-type treatment on the market. there's this blood serum from the surviving patients. there's other experimental-type drugs in the works. there's two vaccines that will begin trials, human trials later this month, and that can be available to workers on the front lines as early as november. >> okay, nbc in omaha, thank you. more than a hundred americans are fighting with isis in syria. nbc news spoke with one american whose ambitions were just that. don morgan was raised in a traditional middle class family.

even dreamed of joining the army. but now he sees his country as the enemy. >> the responsibility of the islamic state is to protect those who can't protect themselves. if it's not a barrel bomb, it's going to be obama launching a do drone strike. so it matters not to me who the enemy is. >> joining me is a former cia officer and now a criminal defense attorney. it's good to see you. this guy was turned away at the border. he was arrested when he flew back to the u.s. but many americans have made it through. is this threat at all blown out of proportion because of the natural kind of fear it inspired in all of us? >> no, it's not blown out of proportion. we've seen this here in the twin cities in minnesota. a couple guys who made it through into syria who have been killed, tied to isis. we've seen the same thing with more than ten people tied to al

shabab in somalia.arias moussao of the terrorists in 9/11. this is one of the things that scares intelligence officials and law enforcement across the country since the didn't ibegin >> one american who fought and died for isis was this douglas macarthur mccain. he was from minneapolis, where you're based. community workers in somali neighborhoods there say disenfranchised youth have been targeted. they've been asked to join their ranks. and now isis is moving in. talk about what you think can be done domestically to stop this sort of recruitment. >> it's a huge concern, alex. and it has been for more than a decade now. this has always been the fear, is to recruit from the heartland of america. where we're not really looking. how do you distinguish between somebody who is just your average kid and somebody who is disenfranchi

disenfranchised? every kid i know about 13 to 25 seems to fit in that range. i think what we have to do is reach out and talk to people on the fringes, who maybe those that al shabab, isis, al qaeda, will target. and going down that path is not the direction they should be going. we can't simply sit back and watch it happen. >> i'm curious how exactly do terrorists target these groups of young men. and not always men, by the way. there's been a woman too. >> well, actually, there have been. we've seen the use of women in russia. we've seen it in the west bank, in gaza. we've seen it in afghanistan. we've even seen it in iraq too. so this is not new. it could be women too. one of the ways that's most effective now is the internet. the ability to reach into every home in america. to reach into kids who are more connected to the net than they are to their neighbors, to their friends, to their families, is something that's been incredibly effective. these organizations have been

using it. they're making a connection and the justification, whether it's correct or not, is another issue. but that justification has been catching on. that trend is starting to create traction in places like minneapolis. >> there's been this national debate going on for like 13 years now nearly to the week since the date here in september the 6th. at what cost to civil liberties should we protect our nation? you have the unique perspective as someone with the cia, you now work on the criminal defense side. where do you, jack, draw the line? >> it's the best question you've asked, honestly. my attitude is that somebody who has a connection to the middle east, somebody who has a particularly religious viewpoint, those are american values. we need to remember what our values are. i relize we can say better safe than sorry, but everybody gets their own cage, we can't do

that. we have to stand up for what we believe in. we also have to continue to work to find connections to known terrorists, and if we find those, we chase down the actions that people take, not the philosophical or religious beliefs that they hold. >> what about what the uk prime minister david cameron announced, new laws to try to prevent homeland attacks? they want to be able to seize the passports of suspected militants traveling to syria or iraq. do you think that's going to be effective? >> i don't know. i'm always afraid of one thing. any time you use the term suspected what does that mean? who gets to decide what it is? that's a very flimsy argument. i want to know for sure. let's stop this. but let's not overreact or do things that actually make it worse, that isolate these kids even further. >> then, again, the word "suspected" here. what about the more controversial proposal of blocking citizens? they're trying to return from oversea, trying to get home, if they're suspected of fighting

with isis. effectively making them countriless. >> exactly. that's been my fear. we take a look at the mistakes the u.s. has made over the last 13 years. we can think about rendition issues. we can think about a lot of things that have been done. and we screwed up. and then you have a u.s. citizen that somebody, somewhere, may have decided they may have done something wrong. american citizens have rights. let's make sure we protect those. >> jack rice, thank you so much. good to see you. chris christie goes south of the border to mexico but won't answer what some might think is an obvious question. what is it and why won't he answer next. ion...i'm no expert. that would be my daughter -- hi dad. she's a dietitian. and back when i wasn't eating right, she got me drinking boost. it's got a great taste, and it helps give me the nutrition i was missing. helping me stay more like me. [ female announcer ] boost complete nutritional drink has 26 essential vitamins and minerals, including calcium and vitamin d to support strong bones and 10 grams of protein to help maintain muscle. all with a delicious taste.

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bluenation.com, jimmy, let's start with you, the president's calculus is what? >> politics. i will just say it. all politics. ron's probably not going to disagree. you've got these great southern senators that are democrats. mitch mcconnell's running and he's in big trouble too. the bottom line is you have them in these southern states and you do not need -- they do not need any executive action or any action on immigration reform prior to the elections. that's what this all boils down to, pure and simple. >> ron, you've got republicans out there, several of them, who have said the president should not act unilaterally on immigration reform. isn't the gop criticism missing an important point? that changing the system is critical? >> i think changing the system is critical. i do agree with my buddy on this. this is all about politics. it's cynical. the opportunity for years to

work with the congress on reform immigration. he hasn't done so. republicans are saying, if we can't trust the administration to administer the affordable care act the way it was written, how can we trust the president that he'll enforce the law the same way? i think the president needs to do a lot more to shore up not only his base which is running away from him in this midterm election but to ensure that republicans feel they can trust him if we're going to get something done. >> can i just ask something, may i just ask, do you think republicans have been really wanting to work with this president on immigration reform? >> yes, absolutely. we wanted to work with him on immigration, on health care. the president famously said, or i should say infamously said, alex, that elections have consequences, i won. he has not reached out with a good hand and a good spirit to work with republicans in good faith and that's why we're seeing gridlock in washington. >> all right. jimmy. >> the first time he was

inaugura inaugurated, the last time he was inaugurated, i think they met in the u.s. capitol on taxpayer's dollars be an ti s ad said how are we going to destroy him. so i think that is bunk. and 14 republican senators a year and two months ago. so this idea that republicans didn't work with the white house and the white house didn't work with the republicans or the democratic caucus in the senate is crazy. they did it. the house failed. the house has failed to do anything except repeal obamacare 50 times. please, this write that they haven't done it, no, the white house did its job. the house failed. >> okay. i want to take another angle as we talk about immigration here. that is, with new jersey governor chris christie who visited mexico this week. he didn't want to talk about the issue. telling reporters, here's the quote, i know you guys are begging to have me focus on immigration. let me put you to rest. i'm not going to. you can ask it in 18 different ways. i'm not going to give you the

story. so you can move on to whatever your next questions are. he's a potential presidential contender so why not answer? >> first, he's not, in my opinion, because of all the stuff swirling around him and the scandals and the federal prosecutors looking at him and his staff and his cronies. if you're going to go to mexico, you would think you might want to have a conversation about the people that are leavie ining me and come to the united states and have done so. and so it's not like there are no illegal immigrants living in the state of new jersey, there are. someone should tell him that. >> if you're going to go to mexico, don't you think immigration is something you're going to get ready for, prepared for, and want to talk about? >> of course, i think he should. frankly, if he was going to show presidential stature, he should talk about the sergeant who has been in jail there for over 100 days. why can't he negotiate to return an american marine home? i don't think if you're going to

be a serious contender for 2016 if you don't have a platform, a position on immigration, the american people are looking and saying, we have a porous southern border, so many thousands of children showing up, why aren't you addressing this? that's where real leadership is required. >> our good buddy's new crystal ball presidential rankings are out. on the republican side, he puts no one. he says there's just not a clear leader. in the second tier, jeb bush, rand paul and mitt romney's 2012 running mate paul ryan. governor christie is in the third tier. whom do you see as the strongest presidential candidates? >> i think there's a dark horse out there and it's someone with, full disclosure, who i work for, the current governor of ohio, onkasich. he's creates thousands of jobs. he's balanced the budget. i think what the american people are looking for in a republican candidate for president is someone with demonstrated executive leadership. i think that's going to come

from the governor's mansion rather than capitol hill. >> hillary clinton says she's going to decide after the first of the year if she's going to run again speech in mexico city and also in larry sabato's rankings, clinton is the only one in the top tier of the likely democratic candidates for 2016. you've got vice president biden in the second tier, maryland governor martin o'malley occupies the third tier alone. do you think this was clinton's race to lose? >> i think it was last time and it is this time, yes. in that second tier one person larry did not put in is vermont senator bernie sanders, who is absolutely running for president, at least in his own mind. and by the way, that's fabulous and fantastic, but i'm not really sure that the american people in the heartland or anywhere else except for vermont are ready to put into the white house someone that used to call himself a socialist. >> kasich and sanders, you guys have two new names for the mix. we'll pass that on. i'm glad to see you both.

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can we talk about beverly hills high school? i am telling you that every other kid is pregnant, the school mascot is a dead rabbit. it's just -- it's crazy. >> i started out, i wore clogs. i worked a mafia club. we passed the hat, pieces of jimmy hoffa would come back in. my house is so filthy. michael jackson puts on both gloves before he walks in. >> the death of comedy legend joan rivers has friends and family remembering the woman that changed show business. for nearly 50 years joan rivers made people laugh by laughing at herself. joining us now, the contributoring editor of closer weekly which features a tribute cover to the legendary comedian. let's talk about joan rivers who really always restwengted

herself. she sold jewelry on qvc, she was a red carpet fixture with her daughter, melissa. >> i keep hearing the word "trail blazer" and i've not heard it with anyone more than i've heard it with joan. she went from stand-up comedy and having this horrible thing happen where she lost her show, she lost her husband and completely reinvented herself and i think transformed the red carpet as we know it. i don't think you'd have the same kind of red carpet interviews and humor about red carpet fashion that you have today if you didn't have joan. she really transformed that and reinvented red carpet fashion. >> oh, absolutely. i mean she and her daughter, melissa, really a hot commodity team there. besides losing her mother, melissa also lost a partner. how does she move on from this? do you see her continuing that legacy? >> i hope see does. you think back to the way the red carpet was before melissa and joan were out on the red carpet in the '90s and then joan

doing "fashion police" and making it funny. looking at some of the celebrities tweeting, katy perry saying what's the point of wearing these dumb costumes if joan is not there to rip them apart. i hope melissa continues that. obviously joan was an original and nobody will ever have the same humor and biting comments that joan had, but if melissa could carry on that tradition in some way, i think it will be fantastic. i think it would be great if she can do that in some way. >> what do you think people will miss most about joan rivers? was it the humor, was it her generosity? she had such a warm spirit. people always talk about that. it may not come through in her comedy the way she was securing people but she was incredibly generous. >> and as people learn more and more about it, there's a younger generation that knows her from the red carpet and from "fashion police" but the other generation who knows her as this trail blazer who paved the way for women and female comics. so in so many ways she'll be remembered. >> i'm going to miss her on "fashion police."

you could never watch anything without watching that the next day and saying i cannot believe she said that. and everybody cracking up on the set, just rolling their eyes. anyway, kim, it's good to see you. thanks so much. once again we invite all of you to watch the special, "celebrating joan rivers" tonight at 6:00 eastern right here on msnbc. that's a wrap-up of "weekends with alex witt." up next, t.j. holmes. have yourselves a good saturday. suppor t a duo-probiotic that helps supplement good bacteria found in two parts of your digestive tract. i'm doubly impressed! phillips' digestive health. a daily probiotic. while a body in motion tends to stay in motion. staying active can ease arthritis symptoms. but if you have arthritis, this can be difficult. prescription celebrex can help relieve arthritis pain, so your body can stay in motion. because just one 200mg celebrex a day can provide 24 hour relief for many with arthritis pain and inflammation. plus, in clinical studies, celebrex is proven to improve

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