>> don't miss the president's primetime address on msnbc, we will have full coverage and reaction on the cycle. and don't miss "now," just so happens it starts now. >> how will the president degrade isis without starting another war in iraq. it's wed, september 10th and this is now. >> failure is unacceptable. ♪ ♪ >> the president will lay out his strategy tonight. >> the u.s. is now prepared to good on the offense against isis. >> what is the president's plan and can he rally the country behind it. >> the preds is going to make a very strong case. >> more than 50% it is in our interest to take action. >> the president has a moment to reinsert himself. >> he has to meet this moment.

>> taking advice from dick cheney is terrifying. >> is he going to use special forces in syria. >> we want to have those who beheaded americans held responsible. >> because if he isn't, who's going to do it. >> there's a lot more at stake other than just syria. >> the people that attack us, why do they think they're going to get away with it. >> we as the leaders of the free world are in this for a long time. >> good day everybody. president obama will deliver primetime address tonight on his strategy to degrade and destroy isis, aim is an expanding mission against isis in the middle east. it will also cap off a stretch of domestic lobby and today president spoke by phone with

king abdula and all the white house officials if continue their outreach to members of congress. no one knows the full plan until the president speaks but all this outreach is some clues. the president plans to seek out a u.n. security council later this month. also reports with a dinner on monday night marks may major shift in the policy. president considered shell strikes last year. while they would have targeted the ashad regime these new strikes could benefit him. the president is not the only one evolving on these issues. a year ago 21%

after the beheading of the journal of american journalists the numbers have tripled. the numbers can also be as soft as they are high. support surged as isis gain add ten -- attention. it could crash if the mission is seen as failure. lawmakers are not committing on a binding vote on the issue. >> tonight the president needs to set forth the military straet ed strategy and means to defeat isis. >> the president has the authority he needs now to act against isis. i'm amazed mr. president, i'm amazed that some members of congress want to rush to war. how did that work out for us last time?

>> now one senator who is putting war authorization on the table is james of oklahoma, he has a resolution calling for congressional approval. >> half of the members will say he doesn't have the authority, half say he does, he says he has it, let's go ahead and do it. >> all this is happening with new developments, new 1rvideo o isis militants, this graphic video is what the president is used to address the issue. i understand you have breaking news from the hill. apparently delaying a key vote. tell us what you can. >> this is so political important because the white house has been urging congress to give the president new authority to arm and train certain vetted fighters in syria

as part of what we will hear tonight. what i have learned is that the white house, the president himself and the vice president making phone calls to members on capitol hill asking them to consider this special authorization for training and equipping syriian fighters as part of a must-have budget deal that we expect tomorrow. here's the news. the house, republican congress has decided to hold on voting funding the government. they put the pause button on. that's a big political statement. they want to give the pretime to addre -- president time to address the nation and to have time to consider what the white house is asking for. this is a nod from speaker boehner to the white house saying yes we will give you some time. it doesn't mean they will follow through with their request, but for the white house to get ducks

in a row, this is a critical step. we heard brief applause when majority leader mccarthy said congress stands ready to deal with this issue. you get a sense the political winds are shifting. this is a critical development to get the public and congress support for the white house. >> thank you very much. pressure that reporting there. joining me now a man at the center of the iraq war for a decade. governor pllet me start with yo. when you heard the house is willing to delay, translation means, willing to consider the president's immediate request on the syria side and money side, not necessarily opposition for w war, separate issue, your

reaction to that news. >> my plimt political reaction is they have to do this. they have checked out for three years. the president is ruling as much as he can by executive order. the congress is just a hot air society at this point. so of course they have to do something like this. the american people are behind the president. they don't respect the congress. the congress has to somehow look serious about this. and not all this ridiculous stuff that has been going on for three years. i think boehner had no choice. >> michael, your take and the context of something we have mentioned throughout the day, 94% of americans say they have followed the news of these terrible beheadings, which is of course greater than any other story this year, that we have looked at in our nbc news poll, is that part of the dynamic, you see where the public is, for congress to just duck out, is it

really viable. >> yeah, i'm not sure. it's probably vialable. i'm not sure it is in their interest given the polls at the top of the show. the interesting thing is the president almost a year to the day after coming to the american people saying he wanted congress approval before bombing if syria. he had constitutional authority but over a protracted period of time when you are not clearly defending american positions, american embassies in that part of the world, it gets a little dicey and president obama wants to reign in the executive power. it's an interesting dance playing out right now. i'm curious what the language will be. >> i disagree. that's inside the beltway view.

outside the beltway people don't think like this. the first syria question is do you over throw a bad government. we tried that in iraq. didn't work so well. this is about people who just beheaded two americans and sworn to take the terror war to the west and have the means to do so because they have probably a thousand fighters with american pass ports there. totally different question. i think the american people get it. the people in the beltway don't. >> i think what legacy does the president leave behind. he's been very critical about the open-ended war that was established in 2001. he said that war was going to end. he said last year at the defense speech that he was going to try and wind that down and now he's saying that basically whenever american interests are threatened over seas can i do a

protracted war on my own. there's a big shift. >> i disagree. you can't listen to the obama doctor on the speech, he's doing exactly what he did. he gets you can't have an american ground war. i think this is a big deal. i think we got watch what he does and take into consideration what the threat is and what he's doing about it. i think this is the obama doctrine in use. >> and governor you speak of the threat and have been very critical and clear on isis. let me read -- some of the view about isis is over blown and over focused. he writes in.

the idea that if isis is busy doing law in some bits of the desert it doesn't pose a threat here at home. >> i found that shocking anyone with an intelligence wrote something like that. it is a fact that they had multiple attacks all over the world. i find ha piethat piece to be unexplainable. i have no idea how you could possibly think that. >> michael. >> the head spoke saying there's no threats to the homeland, doesn't mean that won't happen in the future, clearly isis is

threatening in the united states. if you talk to intelligence units today they are more worried about yemen and africa than they are about isis. >> last question, what's the most important point the president has to impart to the public. >> i think the president has to talk to the public, not congress, i think they are doing the right thing, sooner or later they have to grow up and act like adults, and they will eventually this is a speech to the public and is really designed, i think, and should be, let him understand what his limits are, what his boundaries are, and most of all give him confidence in his ability to deal with what i think is a significant threat. >> all right governor and michael, thank you so much for your time. tonight we will have special coverage of the president's address at 8:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc.

after our break, secretary of state john kerry, can he enlisp arab states to do damage to isis. we will discuss that when we return. on "now." when fixed income experts work with equity experts who work with regional experts that's when expertise happens. mfs. because there is no expertise without collaboration. ♪ [music] defiance is in our bones. defiance never grows old. citracal maximum. easily absorbed calcium plus d. beauty is bone deep. while a body in motion tends to stay in motion. staying active can ease arthritis symptoms but if you

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>> no matter what military action president obama poses tonight few expect it will success if the iraq government if crumbles. secretary john kerry flew in to discuss key goals for his new government discussing power

sharing. >> a new incluesive iraq engine has to be with us against isis. this is an evil terrorist organization. this is a fight the iraqi people needs to win but the rest of the world needs to win with them. >> called for international aid to beat back isis. >> we iraqi have exclusive government now. and we can do this job. everybody's on board. include all people in the iraq society. from all factions of the society and that government and during the whole pros, we need that initial support which is critical to eliminate isil. >> critical while kerry continues to build a regional organization to take on isis. after meeting with prime

minister he travelled to jordan. they will meet tomorrow for a conference specifically devoted to isis. he called on organizations to count on isis religious appeal and alternative islam. >> those countries mand others particularly in the muslim world, can join together in defining the real islam. and making it it clear that there's no legitimacy whatsoever in isil for any of the claims they make with respect to religious foundation for their state or for their actions. if zbl if. >> christopher hill joins us now. let's start with the point from secretary of state, the idea that the u.s. can work with these countries to address the so-called legitimacy of isis

religious foundation. that seems like a tall order. diplomatically how does that work? >> well it is a very tall order. i don't hi the u.s. wants to be alone. i think it wants very much for the rest of the world to deal with the problems, to deal with the issues. i think kerry has gone about it the right way. first of all, i like to see kerry in motion as president addressed the people. after all he has gone to baghdad to make sure they put together a government that will be key to this. then he will visit the sunni arab state that's really need to step it up. without anywhere support we're not going to get very far. >> what does the secretary of state have to do to address the

fair critkricriticiskricriticis that the u.s. had different policies on serious and now a new one that there could be air strikes in syria that could be to asad's benefit. >> i think many of the arab states reaccident tcent the fact in to iraq. she were critical. i think everyone realizes that the u.s. is doing it's best there. the real problem, of course with this strategy, and it's the right strategy, but the real question about whether it will work is once we get into syria, who is going to be the ground kpoenlt. component. we talk about a moderate opposition group. are they supposed to beat isis on the ground? around finally turn around and

defeat asad's forces. it's kind of a tall order for something many analysts question is something real and something that can absorb western weapons. >> and it doesn't even reach to iran which also has a play on this. listen to what he said on the potential collaboration there. >> the united states is not cooperate military tore -- or otherwise, nor does it have any intention of doing so with iran. whatever they do is collateral and on their own. we will pursue our own coalition over the course of these next weeks. >> he basically has to say that. but ambassador there is room for something with iran, no? >> well the reality is we have the same objectives as iran. the problem is iran has slowed down the corporation, the nuclear talks.

there's kind of another iran. an iran supporting radical shiite groups that have over the years killed american shoulders in iraq. iran has supported reside hezbo. so this is not a ally. i think the secretary is cautious about this because if there's perception that the u.s. is lined up with iran, we run into huge problems with the arab states who say there they go supporting the shiite against sunni arabs so. it is a tight rope. >> the u.s. generally says why be with iran in the first place with all the friction.

thafrp thanks for your points today. >> pleasure. >> joining me now is kim from the state department. how are you. >> very nice. thanks for having me. >> how do you think the coalition bill is going thus far. and what does tonight's speech if do, that is chiefly directed at american audiences, but how will it effect the coalition process around the world. >> people will be listening very closely. and part of the coalition building effort is being carried out as well on the ground by john kerry who is in the region. he started in iraq. moving on as we just hard. going to saudi arabia tomorrow. he will participate in a meeting of countries like lebanon, jordan and kuscrucially, iraq.

as we have been hearing, it is tough enough to tackle isis by carrying out air strikes in iraq or perhaps even in syria at the later stage. i'm not sure that will be an immediate step but it is essential for countries in the region and for us to tackle symptoms of larger problems in the region. >> which is lack of inclusion in iraq, appears to be something the u.s. is making a turn on, in the post saying they have a partn partner in sunni support. why should people be so optimistic, if you agree with it at all, that he would be better. >> well mr. malaki alien ates a

lot of people during his power and have to prove he has to be better. but the efforts should put in a more incluesive government that does lead to some optimism. as you say here, the proof is in the pudding. we will have to see how this effort unfolds and whether he can keep his people rallied around him. whether he can be representative of everybody. whether his coalition will hold. crucially we will have to see how it works militarily on the ground. there's talk of building up a national guard that responds to baghdad. will that make people in various provinces feel they have a stake in something. >> let me jump in because the other thing i want to ask you from your reporting is, is there a difference that diplomacy involves choices, but do you think these leaders in some of these countries, unlike in the

past, feel a threat because of isis and feeling they do need to have this contained and the u.s. could actually be helpful. >> yes. i do feel from what i have heard and read, coming out of arabia, there's a sense there, they initially saw radical sunni groups as a way of bringing him down. now they see it could be back firing. we seen it play out before. the question is will the saudis be on board 100% not only to support the u.s. military actions it feels it needs to take in iraq or syria but also in terms of countering some more radical ideology that is popular. there's one key point to point

out, the pad that was written by the ue ambassador to the u.s. in the wall street journal where he makes clear that the ue is declaring, in essence, war against isis. >> right. if thank you kim bbc. appreciate your time. coming up we have reports on new if developments in ferguson and in missouri who carried out its eighth lethal injection of the year. stay with us. she got me drinkin. it's got a great taste, and it helps give me the nutrition i was missing. helping me stay more like me. [ female announcer ] boost complete nutritional drink has 26 essential vitamins and minerals, including calcium and vitamin d to support strong bones and 10 grams of protein to help maintain muscle. all with a delicious taste. grandpa! [ female announcer ] stay strong, stay active with boost. grandpa! ♪ here's a good one seattle... what did geico say to the mariner?

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>> last night the ferguson city council held its first meeting since the controversial meeting of the shooting of an unarmed teen. one month after the incident. >> people got asthma out there, y'all don't care about that. >> there has not been a day that i've been in ferguson that i have not seen a black person sitting outside on the curb. i bet you don't have to do that when you go to your job. let us do business as usual we'll let you do business as usual.

>> the pressure is continuing as protesters marching to highway 70, saying they want the to block traffic, for four hours to signify how long that boy's body was on the street before being moved. an on going jury has not let to any indictments to date. last night the council passed new bills to cut down the court fees which have led to more arrests to ferguson citizens. they collected $2.6 million in court fees last year, 20% of the cities policy. some things not addressed, such as 86% traffic stops involve black motorists, even though they only make up 60% of the population. the justice department has taken action.

they have opened two inquirienq. and yesterday in washington, senate committee he criticize the police, part of ferguson's response to the initial protests. joining me now, al, good day to you. let's unpack on the one hand there's no new developments on the case against this officer, specifically but on the other, boning local and federal action, i would argue is greater around the nation. >> that's rye right. the tough thing that is happening in ferguson is that the missouri state law is very differential to police claims of shootings. so from what i understand it is very likely when all is said and done darren wilson may avoid an indictment. i think going forward what's important is these reform

movements. it's really hard to over state the extent to which if african-americans in the entire st. louis in area, it feels as if the structures of law enforcement are very punitive. in all of these small suburbs and cities surrounding st. louis, of which ferguson is just one, you know, african-americans face police stops, fines, they face, unfair jailing, this whole host of social ills. so going forward, i hope that these reforms continue because they are what really counts. if wilson is indicted but there's not broader reforms, not sure it will have such a great outcome. >> listen to what happened yesterday. >> it was the middle of the afternoon and you had a mounted

sniper weapon pointing at people that never, ever envisioned having someone point a sniper weapon. >> washington focussing on the police military part of this. is that the right place for them as federal officials? >> i think, you know, it seems it is what they can do in this area. i'm not sure how much washington can do about law enforce the abuses in ferguson and surrounding areas but certainly can do quite a bit about regulating the military equipment that going into training the local police departments and maybe even spear heading police departments. the story of police in the ferguson and st. louis area isn't just militaryization, part of it is just a police culture

that seems actively hostile to african-americans. >> we are looking at a live shot of those protests going on in ferguson a month and a day out, and blocking some traffic. we should mention it thus far seems to have much less conflict than earlier protests. when you look athe protest movement how does it stay alive going forward. >> the same way it has stayed alive in the past month, just ordinary citizens, activists engaging the community and continuing to hold demonstrations and go to city officials and demanding change. it can't just happen in ferguson. it ha has to happen in all these small mounicipamunicipalitit es entire area.

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louisiana. ground troops are usually used for tough foes like isis. recent history provides examines and reasons if for skept skepticism. operation in 1993 was shot down. a black hawk helicopter. ultimately 18 americans were killed to recover to u.s. personnel. jo >> joining me now senior military correspondent david wood. good day to you.

>> hi. >> what do you think the president will say tonight. and what can he say credibly about limiting any new ground troops. >> first of all, we already have boots on the ground in iraq. that argument is over. the question is how many now. there's about 285 american military personnel who are manning the joint operations center in baghdad. and ibil. and 750 military engaged in diplomatic security. so just over 1043 american military personnel in iraq. so here's the thing going on is that is different from anything we faced before. which is what defense secretary referred to. isis is an organization that is

seizing and holding territory. >> right. >> and for that reason air strikes alone can't reverse that. you need boots on the ground to push isis back and free those kinds of areas. so the argument isn't whether or not there's american boots on the ground, but how many and what they're doing and who else is going to provide boots on the ground. that's what i'm looking forward to in the speech to see if we get any suggestion of what the president has lined up. >> to your point there are some performing diplomatic securities different from boots to conduct military operations. and when you look at this legally, the risk facing u.s. personnel that are there flight, is one of the ration aals under the president's authority to continue to conduct operations

without congress. >> yes if he was going to introduce ground combat troop that's will be a huge change. i don't think anybody expects that. although what i have learned in 35 years of covering war, you can never predict what will happen in conflict. which is what ben was referring to when he said only people who serve in uniform can understand how screwed up things can get, and how quickly. if for example there's a u.s. airman shot down over northern iraq in isis territory or in syria, somebody's got to go in and get them. nobody's got is that capability except us. it is largely the u.s. marines who are afloat in the area who are skilled in that kind of rescue mission, get involved on the ground, combat boots on the ground. even if the president says we're not going to put ground combat troops into the area, swears up and down, no combat troops, you

know, that stuff happens. for and again if there's an airman down we got to go in and get him. >> right and you're reporting on that in examples from boz kne b the korean war, so forth. when you look at this could be mul multi-year operation, what would have to be done financially and orange wi otherwise to sum othpport a lonm increased set of air strikes over potentially these two sovereign areas of iraq, syria and whatever isis is controlling. >> well, i think what would have to take place is a coalition of the strongest iraq army, ground

forces and whoever else we can round up and get into the area. again, to push isis back and to hold is that ground. that's the key thing here. you know, it's not enough to do the kind of counter terrorism operations that the u.s. was doing in iraq and indeed in afghanistan over the last eight years or so. that's not going to work. this is a different kind of a conflict. that ground has to be cleared and held, and held for a long time. so i think what the president will outline tonight is a long term campaign plan. i hope he encourages us all to take a deep breath and try to calm the hyteria. people are calling for immediate

action. but i think what we have learned over the last nine years is don't rush into conflict. especially when you can't clearly foresee the consequences of your actions. >> i think that is well put. and i would add to that, be careful to balance the deep feelings of anger and retribution that people understandably feel about the isis beheading of americans with an understanding of what they are designed to do, which is of course to rile everyone up. and understand the prop portion, those are two murders, but assad might benefit, has done over 170,000. thanks for talking with me today. >> you're welcome. >> appreciate it. and as a reminder, tune in at 8:00 p.m. eastern for the president's address. coming up, breaking news in the ray rice domestic abuse scandal. it is reporting law enforcement

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hour from the associated press. a source now tells the ap that a law enforcement official sent a copy of the ray rice videotape to an nfl executive all the way back in april. this coming after roger goodell told cbs news yesterday that the league never saw the video. >> well we certainly didn't know what was on the tape. but we've been very open and honest. and i have also from two weeks ago when i acknowledged we didn't get this right. that's my responsibility. i'm accountable to that. >> today he followed it up explaining why they never demanded video.

>> now for his part, the ravens owner has issued his own separate apology. >> now we will keep following this story and bringing you more soon as it develops. that's it for now. the edge show is up next. >> good evening americans and welcome to the ed show, live from new york. let's get to work. >> firing of weapons represent sufficient challenge to natio s nation's. >> when our citizens are abused or attacked. >> as long as others will