>> we will hunt down terrorists that threaten our country wherever they are. >> fundamentally unserious. >> 61% of americans believe it is time to do something about isis. >> to do something to destroy the terrorist group known as isis. 475 american troops will head to iraq to advise the security forces. >> i am very worried about half measur measures. >> he wasn't tough like cheney and bush. thank god. >> that does not prompt confidence. >> that threat does not yet justify the wholesale occupation of iraq or syria. >> frankly, we ought to give the president what he's asking for. >> if you threaten america you will find no safe haven. ♪ ♪ >> good to have you with us tonight, folks. president obama lays it out and it will be degrade and destroy isis in iraq and syria. until this point, u.s.

airstrikes have been against isis in iraq and have been limited in scope and defensive in nature. that changed last night. >> with a new iraqi government in place and following consultations with allies abroad and congress at home, i can announce that america will lead a broad coalition to roll back this terrorist threat. our objective is clear. we will degrade and ultimately destroy isil through a comprehensive and sustained counterterrorism strategy. working with the iraqi government we will expand our efforts beyond protecting our own people and humanitarian missions so that we're hitting isil targets as iraqi forces any on offense. >> we won't stop until they are destroyed and that's my interpretation of that part of the speech and that means the endgame is when they're done and out of business and they've been destroyed then this is going to be backing off. okay. the president said 475 additional advisers will be sent to iraq. these troops will not pray a

combat role. president obama wants americans to know we will not be dragged into another ground war in iraq. that's really what americans wanted to hear last night. how far is this going? we learned last night that the united states will be involved in an open-ended air campaign against isis in iraq and syria. >> i've made it clear that we will hunt down terrorists who threaten our country wherever they are. that means i will not hesitate to take action against isil in syria as well as iraq. this is a core principle of mi presidency. if you threaten america you will will find no safe haven. >> now the president's got some credibility here. he said something like that in the debate with mitt romney before the election of 2012, and he said actually it was -- ye. he said, you know, if we have actionable intelligence and the pakistanis are unable or on unwill willing we'll go in and

get osama bin laden. the president has credibility of an a game when he says he'll do something on foreign policy. president obama said he has the authority to address the threat of isis without congressional approval, not big debate here at all. however, he does need lawmakers to support him in taking the fight to syria. the president called on congress to give him the authority to train and equip syrian opposition forces. >> we have ramped up our military assistance to the syrian opposition. tonight, i call on congress again to give us additionala authorities and resources to train and equip these fighters. and the fight against isil we cannot rely on an assad regime that terrorizes its own people, a regime that will never regain the legitimacy it has lost. instead, we must strengthen the opposition as the best counter weight to extremists like isil. >> the best counter weight, that's a calculated line because i don't know if we have any

newfound loyalty on the globe when it comes to syrian moderates. who are they? every time we arm groups in the middle east it always comes back to bite us, and now we are counting on a brand new iraqi government to work and to take the fight to isis on the ground as we fly over the top and do the intelligence and do the air strikes and do everything, but get boots on the ground. the syrian moderates as they are called now will have to fight now on two fronts. isis and assad. what's the percentage of all of this working? i think this is what americans are missing and lacking in conversation. is this 100% chance of of working? 50, 60, 10% chance of working? now the president has been on record saying we're going to destroy them and the best thing any president can have behind them is the american people. the fact president obama clearly mentioned the the two executed journalists by name indicates

that he wants every american to clearly understand the nature of this threat and who these people are. >> isil is a terrorist organization, pure and simple. and it has no vision other than the slaughter of all who stand in its way. in a region that has known so much bloodshed these terrorists are unique in their brutality. they execute captured prisoners, they kill children, they enslave, rape and force women into marriage. they threaten a religious minority with genocide and in acts of barbarism, they took the lives of two american journalists, jim foley and stephen sotloff. if left unchecked these terrorists could pose a growing threat beyond that region including to the united states. >> if you behead americans you're going to pay for it, at least if barack obama's still the president you're going to pay for it. that's what he's saying. although we must admit and we

have to be honest about it it and be fair brokers here that we're not going after isis with full force. we're not doing it. it's not going to be our troops on the ground, just our money, just our air power and just our technology. now the question is can we get this done this way and every american hopes that we can. even though president obama said that he will act without congress, he said that he would welcome their support. >> vitt authority to address the threat from isil, but i believe we are strongest as a nation when the president and congress work together. so i welcome congressional support for this effort in order to show the world that americans are united in confronting this danger. >> so, can we show the world that we're united here or are we going to politically fight over absolutely everything? are we ever going say he's the commander in chief, got elected twice, let's give it to him, whatever he wants, just like bush? if the last four years have been

any indication of support, the president must receive, i wouldn't hold my hope out. there's going to be a fight here. it's clear america will foot the bill for this, and that will lead to a huge political fight in congress. the president doesn't do enough to satisfy republicans militarily and what's going to happen, he's not going get the appropriation and that's where it's going, as i see it. earlier today, john boehner supports the president's requests for arming rebels, but he made clear, many republicans are unsure of the president's overall plan. >> i can'll you in our conversations this morning a lot of our members don't feel like the campaign that was outlined last night will accomplish the mission that the president says, and that is to destroy isil. so, frankly, a lot of our members think a lot per needs to be done than what was laid out last night.

>> give me a number, john. mr.ec spoo speaker, givy moo a. just enough to make foreign policy miserable for the president. lindsay graham is also doubtful of the president's plan. >> i'm tired of half measures. i'm tired of misleading the american people about what we face. there is no way in hell we're going to beat these guys without an american ground component in iraq and syria and there is not a force in the mideast that can take these guys on and win without substantial american help. you don't need the 82nd airborne, but we'll need thousands of troops over time on the ground holding the hand of the arab armies who will hold the fighting along with the syrians to on make sure we win? the one thing i can promise the american people is if we take isil alone and lose we will unlock the gates of hell. >> what makes you think we're going lose, senator? maybe if you give the president

everything he needs that he's asking for at this point and he asking for in the future. unlock the gates of hell? its started and this is the political, for the republicans and they will will make the case and evolve it that president obama and the the democrats are weak on national security and our country is facing serious problems at home, no doubt. income inequality, middle-class issues and obamacare, immigration and trade agreements, workers rights, jobs and let's not forget the economy. all of those issues which do favor the democrats in polling they're all going to be lost in conversation because the republicans will go right back to national security. you're going to hear more from dick cheney over the next couple of months than you've seen him in recent years. the president can't hide behind the the coalition on this. we as a country need to make sure that we get this done. who really does have skin in the game? today there was some more good

foreign policy and good foreign policy news when it comes to support? whose boots will be there? who will be taking down isis? who else will be in this game for sure? now it's not the iraq of old, no doubt, this is not about making more money for halliburton or making sure we get more oil. we're pumping more out of american soil than we ever have. this is real. this is about american security. this is about a -- gosh, i sound like a right-winger, a gathering threat. i didn't mean to say that, but it's the truth. what if isis isn't stopped? almost half the nation thinks that we are less safe than we were before 9/11. it's the highest response to this question sense the poll started in 2002. isis is a threat to national security. are they going to hit tomorrow? that's not what the intelligence says, but how do we know they're a threat? we know their moral nature.

they've cut the heads of two americans off. that's all of the information i really need at this point. we do have a moral obligation to stop people like this and there's really no easy way out of this, is there? and once you get in it's hard to get out. and i just hope that these syrian moderates are the right folks to put arps in taverages hands of. get your cell phones out. you heard the president and you've listened to the armchairs out there. are we as a country doing the right thing? text a for yes, text 3 for no to 67622 and go to ed.msnbc.com and we'll bring you the results later on in the show. that's the question. are we doing the right thing? for more let me bring in john garamendi, congressman from california. you get the first question. are we doing the right thing? your thoughts? >> we're doing the right thing and we're also going about it

the wrong way. the president welcomes our involvement. ed, this is a new war. this is not the extension of the iraq 1 or iraq 2 war, and the constitution is very clear. the the president must come to congress to get our approval and authorization to use force. it is very, very clear it on me. they're arguing that they don't feed it and they can continue the wars of afghanistan and 2002 era. we need to limit. we need to be very, very careful. we need to limit exactly what the president said he wanted to do last night. we don't want to grease the slippery slope to all-out engagement in the middle east again, but if we fail to put through a very clear, authorization to use force that's limited, limited in its scope, limited in how much and where we can do it we're going to head right down that slippery slope and i guarantee you we'll have thous of boots on the ground leading the effort to try

to deal with these countries which we're not going to succeed at unless those sunni countries surrounding this area, iraq, turkey, and the countries in the gulf states and jordan. if they don't get engaged with their boots on the ground we cannot succeed. we will simply inflame this thing even worse than it is the. >> congressman, what i'm hearing is you want this very well defined and you want congress' stamp of approval that the 13-year-old vote doesn't fit anymore. that this is, as you said, a new war. i have to ask you tonight, john. >> sure. >> are most democrats talking like this? what's the conversation amongst your party? >> we need to find out. that's what the debate is about. >> yeah. >> under the american constitution the president can't propose war, but it is congress that authorizes war and i don't care how you want to parse the language and i don't care how smart your lawyers are.

this is not afghanistan. this is not al qaeda and this is not the gulf war 2 in 2002 which was under false pretenses anyway. >> okay. >> this is a new war and we need to go about this with very careful definition. the president laid out four things and those should be the parameter ofs of an authorization to use force. >> congressman, do you believe that the president can get an appropriation to arm the syrian moderates. would he need a vote on that, in your opinion. >> frankly, i was shocked when we heard in a briefing that they wanted to connect that to the continuing resolution and the the funding of government after september 30th impeach that is a recipe for shutting down government because you're put right back smack into the the continuation and it's a very controversial issue. i think it ought to be a separate vote, voted up or down and let's see where we're going. am i will willing to support

that some yes, if it's carefully defined, if it's limited, yes, i will, both in iraq and sir why, but we need to be careful here and to correction the authorizati authorization, and the the syrian rebles and whoever they might be and you raised the question, who are they? to continue to put that into the funding of the american government and all of the various pieces i think is a very serious political mistake. >> that is a great unknown, who are the the syrian moderates and are they seriously going to be that much better off if they are armed some congressman john garamendi, good to have you with us tonight. i appreciate your time. >> i want to bring in colonel lawrence wilkerson, secretary of state of colin powell and worked in that office and was rate there.

there is an ominous time for america, kecolonel, your reacti to the president and where it stands. >> i'm worried about whom we'll be arming and where those arms might ultimately wind up. i've seen a lot of this in my time. i success congressman garamendi that i don't like this business of the executive being able to take the nation to a new war without any with the congress. we need to rest the war where it ought to be, in the congress. i think the president's approach as expressed last night was fairly judicious. we do not need to do anything beyond what he said until we see if what he said works because we are not going to defeat anybody in this region of the world without the people who are vested in that region, the iraqis, the syrians and others actually doing the heavy lifting

on the ground. there's no one to fight for. there's no border to fight for, there's no nation to fight for if these people won't find for themselves and one questions whether or not we would want to put ground forces in the region. >> being offshore and being able it to trike with naval and air is very important while the interests were threatened and putting boots on the ground is exactly what alza what hiry and al qaeda want us to do. they want a target-rich environment with american soldiers and marineses to kill. >> so your concern is clearly about mission. >> absolutely. ? you have to reel this in from the start. is it possible to take out isis, in your opinion, without combat troops on the ground some you've mentioned who's got to be vested in this and the iraqis and whoever were armed and in syria, but can we do this without

american troops on the ground? i know there are a thousand special forces there, but i'm talking about an army of americans. can we get the this done? >> the simple answer, ed, is if we can't, it it can't be done. let me just tell you this the hype about this group is phenomenal. i, frankly, find it difficult to believe. great powers like the united states taking counsel of their fears is the first step to destruction. we do not need to fear these people in the way that the media and others are are hyping it like graham and mccain, i'll take an oath on that. these people are arabs, just like the iraqis and just like the syrians. they are beatable and when someone asked him a question about the 1967 war and why israel won so easily he said in frustration, well it it helps to be fighting arabs.

these are not the most formidable military forces in the world. the the only reason they have any capability right now is they stole it, and if there is a force on the ground in iraq that we trained, remember, ed, we spent billions of dollar, david petraeus finished it up. we certified that we had a genuinely good iraqi army and it melted in front of these people who were no better than it. >> you sound very concerned that we could be doing a replay. we could be doing an instant replay. >> i'm very concerned about that. >> colonel lawrence will kerrson, i appreciarppreciate y. >> share your thoughts with us on twitter on ed show and facebook. we want to know what you think. coming up, former fbi director robert mueller will conduct a private investigation into the nfl into the handling of the ray rice video. the new york times will tell us if the league will be trusted to

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that the accused had the intention to kill the deceased let alone with premeditation. oscar pistorius is cleared of the most serious charges against him. >> the judge clearly convinced that pistorius did not intend to kill his girlfriend reevasteincamp. >> i am of the view that the accused acted too hastily and used excessive force. >> he could still go to jail for culpable homicide which means he was negligent when he killed her. >> which carries a sentence for up to 15 years. >> in the second sentence it was clear that his conduct was negligent. >> he could still walk out of this courtroom today a free man. >> and we are joined tonight by karen desoto, defense attorney and former prosecutor. thanks for your time. >> the the word intent plays big here, doesn't it? >> it plays huge. >> what was the heavy lift for the prosecution here? >> apparently the heavy lift for the prosecution is the judge kept on saying that he didn't intend to. it wasn't foreseeable so what

the what the prosecutor has to do is kind of make it so that it was premeditated in the sense that in the facts that he used is she was locked in the bathroom and she was in a small room and he's using an inherently dangerous gun and you can fwleen intent from the fact that he picked up the gun and didn't locate her, went to the bathroom and didn't fire off a shot and say hey, where are you? who is in there? there is enough there, ed, to get to that premeditation, but the judge was not convinced. she said the the own us was on the prosecution and that she appeared to have agreed that the facts were not in the prosecution's favor. >> and she talked about his actions after the shooting. your impressions of that. >> yes, the after the the shooting, one of the things that she did say was that there was a witness that said he was very remorseful and he was crying, and i have to say that even if you kill somebody whether you intended to or not, there is a lot of emotion and you're going

to cry and you're going to be upset because you're going to be arrested. that was surprising knowing she was a judge that had been sitting on the bench for a long time. >> the prosecution continually went after him having a hot temper, and having a pattern of behavior that was possibly out of norm in the term of some. it came down to what unfolded that night, it it seems like. >> and whether or not she believed that he was thinking that he wasn't confused. he testified that he was under anxiety and she also said contradictory staples that he had time to collect himself, to conduct himself and here in the united states that would equate to a second-degree murder if he had time to be reasonable. >> culpable homicide in their judicial system. what's he looking at? >> there will be a hearing, a tentencing hearing and he could do 15 years if he's grossly negligent and the judge has a

lot oflyway and if you get a sentness of pore than two years you'll do at least half your time. >> was this viewed as a real failure some. >> am sure the prosecution is livity because this is one of the things that it was a domestic violence situation and the the fact that he woke up like most men would do and locate your loved ones and instead go off shooting seems beyond reckless and the prosecutor does she this as a failure and is probably thinking how he can correct it it with an appeal. >> as far as the physical events that unfolded, do you think we know exactly what happened? that house? >> well, no. nobody -- unless you have a videotape you never know for sure what happened, but what you do know is it was valentine's day and fully clothed and the side of a bathroom the size of a very small stall and a gun, that was inherently dangerous tool and went and shot it into a very

small area. how, ed, is that not foreseeable? is that not foreseeable that if you thought if you shot interest a small area and you knew somebody was in there that you wouldn't foresee that they would possibly die? >> karen desoto, tu fhank you f your time. i appreciate it. access granted. robert mueller will lead an investigation into the ray rice video. the wall street journal thinks president obama should admit defeat. no, this isn't the funny section. i'll tell you all about it. your questions coming up. ask ed live next on "the ed show" on msnbc.

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>> welcome back to "the ed show "qwest. thank for watching tonight. the baltimore ravens are set to take on the pittsburgh steelers. last night nfl commissioner roger goodell announced that former fbi director robert mueller will conduct an independent investigation into the nfl's pursuit and handling of the evidence in the ray rice domestic violence incident.

giants co-owner john mara and also steelers owner art rooney, jr., both lawyers will oversee the investigation. the results of the probe will be made public. calls for goodell to resign intensified overnight over an associated press report contradicted the statement that no one in the league office saw the video believe monday. the law enforcement official told the associated press, he sent the elevator video knocking janay rice unconscious to an nfl executive three months ago. though the a.p. cannot confirm if anyone at the nfl watched the video. they were played a 12-second voice mail from an nfl office number confirming the video arrived. a female voiceec pressed thanks, and says, you're right. it's terrible. at this point it comes down to a question of credibility. in a memo sent goodell, said none of the law enforcement entities we approached were permitted to provide any video or other investigatory material

to us. joining me tonight, rapid response panel, william c. roden. gentlemen, great to have you with us tonight. >> thank you. >> the question tonight, bill, you first, is this presence of robert mueller and two other nfl owners going to change the dynamic here some. >> well, it's going to change the dynamic in terms of credible, but if the question is do i trust the national football league, listen, as you just pointed out. you have jerry jones being one owner -- being -- facing a sexual assault suit and the saints, bountygate and you have the patriots who are with spygate and the owner of the -- drug rehab and the carolina panthers playing greg hardy who is facing horrendous sexual

assault. do i trust these guys to follow the the truth where it leads? not really. no. >> terence moore, do you agree? do you think this will change anything? >> ed, i'm going to start with this, if robert mueller who was put in charge of this investigation is serious he will look at everything involved with the roger goodell era. it goes back to 2006 and what he will find is an ugly pattern. okay some and it all starts with spygate that william just talked about here and spygate is when bill belichick, the coach of the new england patriots was caught by the nfl cheating on games including three super bowls, by videotaping illegally other teams. i bring this up because roger goodell gathered all of the evidence and all of the videotapes and all of the notes and destroyed them and then when the senate judiciary committee asked him why he did it, he said smugly, it was the right thing to do and we'll just try to keep it from the other teams. my point is this.

you add that to this and to other things, he is literally living his creedo of trying to protect the shield by any means necessary so this will be a very difficult investigation to get to the heart of what needs to be gotten to. >> if you change commissioners, do you change the league some. >> that's the problem. no, you plug one end and plug the other one. >> by the way, you led off by saying this incident overshadows the game in baltimore? no way. >> you don't think so? >> the nfl is so happy that there's a ldz and then a sunday because they realize that they've got the this product that's pretty money, people are addicted to this sport and they figure by sunday night and by monday night football, people will completely have almost forgotten this. that is what they're counting on. >> so you sound as if you believe that ray rice has a future in the nfl. >> i'm not going that far. >> okay. but you think that this is going to be. >> what do you think, terence some. >> i think it it does have a

future in the nfl, and i'm going to take it it a step further than what williams just said right there. i am firmly convinced as bad as this is going to sound, that this had is going to just be a ripple in the ocean for the nfl because this country is addicted to the nfl. you have all of these fantasy leagues out there. last year, during the last regular season 34 of the top 35 tv shows were nfl games. the only exception was the nbc thanksgiving day parade. what does that tell you? people love the nfl and this is partly why the nfl thinks it can can get away with a the lot of that stuff and does. >> john mara, one of the two owners overseeing the investigation was out defending the commissioner before the a.p. report. he said the notion that the league should have gone around the law enforcement to obtain the video is in my opinion, misguided as is the notion that the commissioner's job is now in

jeopardy. what's your response to that now, bill? >> i think you ask him now and it was misguided. the nfl can't have it both ways. you can't brag that you have one of the top security forces in all of sports and then somehow this tape is, like, lying in the bottom of somebody's desk. it's either incompetent or a cover-up. you cannot have it both ways. right now the nfl is facing two wrong answers. there's nothing they can really say it's wrong and i feel as though that, yes, they're an arrogant league, but they're facing an unprecedented backlash and particularly from women's groups and if they think that they're going to blow this off they're badly mistaken. this is a huge, not only a tarnish, but this is a dent. >> but you just said a moment ago that you thought this would be off the headlines by monday. >> by monday, but -- >> go ahead, terence. go ahead. >> i'm going to tell you why i've got serious problems with this investigation.

there's no doubt when you have the former fbi head in charge of it it they're going to find stuff, okay? two bad things. there's no subpoena power and no obligation for anybody to talk and if they do, not to be forthcoming and the other thing is this is such a joke to put two owners on this thing, as a matter of fact, two of the top owners in the nfl with john mara and dan rooney because who selects the commissioner? the owners. that's ridiculous, and i'll tell you ed how this will turn out. the fall person is going to be this woman back at the nfl office who got this videotape. she's going to be the 21st century rosemary wood, the old richard nixon secretary with the gap will be that she got the video, never gave it to anybody else, oh, we disciplined her. let's move on to the rest of our lives. >> they're saying goodell was down in augusta. >> it doesn't matter if he was on the moon. let me finish my thought. yes. i think people are addicted to the game, but i think that you're going to see such a

steady stream coming at this guy. october, next month is i ng domestic violence month. i think you will see protests around the stadiums and i think you'll see pickets and this is not going to abate and women are 30% to 40% of this league. i think we've only seen the beginning. the addiction can only go so far. >> terence moore, good to have both of you gentlemen with us. thank you very much. john bomb-bomb mccain, sounds like a broken record. stay with us. when fixed income experts work with equity experts who work with regional experts who work with portfolio management experts that's when expertise happens. mfs.

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john mccain is leading the charge, as always. mccain, in fact, is making the tv appearances around the clock since the speech. he's sounding like a broken record. >> obviously he doesn't understand the nature of the threat. his statement that america is safer, that's fundamentally false. >> the president of the united states, when he didn't leave a withdrawal of force behind, led to all of this. >> the fact that they didn't leave a rez id zaul force behind in iraq, overruling all of his military advisers is the reason we're facing isis today. >> our withdrawal of our troops from iraq was a major contributor to the situation we're in today. >> find me one statement that the president of the united states made publicly that he wanted to leave a residual force behind, and i can find you 50 where he bragged about the last combat troop had left iraq, a safe, stable prosperous iraq left behind. a lot of howlers about how well we had done in iraq.

if we had left the residual force, the situation in iraq would not be where it is today. >> seems like john mccain, the former presidential hopeful, is still a sore loser. here's a reminder of where mccain's mind was in 2007. >> that old beach boys song "bomb iran," anyway -- >> not to mention, if mccain were in office right now, that would mean sarah palin would be vice president. good to have you with us, bob. >> glad to be here. >> mccain is constantly inserting himself into this conversation all the time, like he is obligated to do so. is he a sore loser, or does he have a point about the residual force as you see it? >> well, i'm sure he believes what he's saying. i'm sure he's a sore loser, an embittered guy, who never met a war he wouldn't wage. we're lucky he didn't get elected president.

he said, if we had left a residual force behind, the situation wouldn't be the way it is. we had tens of thousands, 70, 80, 90,000 troops in iraq in 2005, 2006, and the place was in chaos. mccain said, oh, we had the surge, which leads one to wonder, whether he thinks we should have kept 130,000 troops there. but the surge only worked because we brought the sunni tribes over to our side. that would never have happened while malachi was running a government in iraq that was deeply sectarian. malachi was unwilling to sign a status of forces agreement. did mccain want to leave troops behind without any kind of legal protection? the more you listen to him and dick cheney, you wish they'd just go away. why would we take advice from people who invaded iraq under false pretenses and set up this m

mess in the first place? >> i don't know how he can say residual troops would have prevented isis from setting up the way they did. >> there's a lot of bluster in this, but he can't make that happen. because what happened was an alienation of the sunni population. it was because malachi was running an anti-sunni administration. so sunnis moved over to the other side. what's happened now, you look at john kerry in saudi arabia, we seem to be putting together a genuine coalition of arab states that are going to get involved in this. >> today was a big day, yeah? >> yeah, it was a big day. there are sunni arab states and that's going to give some reason for sunnis in iraq, along with a new government, that's going to give them some reason to think they should oppose isiisis. and we'll auz -- use air power.

boehner said air power isn't enough, that's what they said to clinton. i think the president has a tough situation here, but he's doing the right thing. the pathetic thing, the republicans are looking for political advantage. not mccain, he actually believe this is stuff. >> that's the ed show. "politicsnation" starts right now. good evening, rev. >> good evening, and thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, breaking news on isis. the cia just released a new estimate of the terrorist group's strength, estimating that it can muster between 20,000 and 31,000 fighters in iraq and syria. that's a big increase from the cia's last estimate of 10,000 fighters. this new estimate underscores president obama's message about isis during last night's