boehner said air power isn't enough, that's what they said to clinton. i think the president has a tough situation here, but he's doing the right thing. the pathetic thing, the republicans are looking for political advantage. not mccain, he actually believe this is stuff. >> that's the ed show. "politicsnation" starts right now. good evening, rev. >> good evening, and thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, breaking news on isis. the cia just released a new estimate of the terrorist group's strength, estimating that it can muster between 20,000 and 31,000 fighters in iraq and syria. that's a big increase from the cia's last estimate of 10,000 fighters. this new estimate underscores president obama's message about isis during last night's primetime address to the nation.

today secretary of state john kerry is traveling across the middle east, meeting with leaders in the region to roll out the president's battle plan. and in an interview with nbc news, kerry said the coalition to fight isis is coming together. >> i think, and the president believes, the ingredients are there. we're impressed by the countries that are coming to the table. been a very productive meeting today. significant commitments of support. and over the next weeks and months, we'll release as more of the story unfolds. meanwhile, the pentagon launched two more air strikes against isis targets in iraq, and back in washington, leaders on both sides of the aisle were largely supportive of president obama's plan. >> i'm confident we'll put our political differences aside and work together to give this administration the tools it needs to meet isis head on. >> we stand ready to work with

the president, to put in place a plan that would destroy and defeat isil. and frankly, we ought to give the president what he's asking for. >> a rare show of support from the gop leader. but, speaker boehner also said house republicans are not yet ready to commit to a stand-alone vote on the president's plan. >> look me in the eye. [ laughter ] >> there's no decision to be made on how we're going to proceed. >> but president obama isn't waiting. he's moving ahead to defeat isis overseas and protect americans at home. just as he promised last night. >> moreover, i've made it clear that we will hunt down terrorists who threatening our country wherever they are. that means i will not hesitate to take action against isil in syria, as well as iraq. this is a core principle of my presidency. if you threaten america, you will find no safe haven.

>> and today, 13 years after the september 11th attacks, the president talked about the resolve of the american people. >> for you, for our nation, these have been difficult years, but by your presence here today in the lives, the service that you have led, you embody the truth that no matter what comes our way, america will always come out stronger. we carry on because as americans, we do not give in to fear. ever. >> even as americans remember one of the most terrible days in our nation's history. this president will not let fear determine our future. joining me now is congresswoman -- democratic congresswoman eleanor holmes from the district of columbia, and senior fellow at the center for american progress. thank you both for being here. >> thank you.

>> of course. >> congresswoman, a good number of republicans say they want to vote off the rising action against ici isis. why haven't they scheduled one? what's your read on that? >> they want it both ways. they don't dare speak negatively about what the president is doing, with 70% of the american people behind him, and isis, as your news flash just told us, building very rapidly, but they'd like to be able to criticize him when he goes in without having the guts to stand with him. as he does what they want him to do. >> now, brian, you heard the breaking news at the top of the show, the cia is estimating isis can muster 20 to 31,000 fighters. how do you react to this and give me the context of how this can be mustered and where, give me the context of this.

>> well, it's obviously an alarming number, but equally alarming to those numbers are the capacities that isis has. and i think what's great about president obama's statement last night, he was very measured. he made very clear that isis is a threat to the region, first and foremost. but as we've heard from counterterrorism officials and u.s. intelligence officials, there's been a very balanced presentation of what threat it actually may represent to the homeland, which is less than al qaeda, say in the arabian peninsula. that's important, having that balanced assessment is not what we had under the bush administration, if you recall. we had a lot of threat mongering. so, those numbers are important. i think they represent a wake-up call for the region itself and what we see with secretary kerry and secretary hagel, trying to build this regional coalition. that coalition needs to respond to these incendiary actions by

isis. and i think they need to be the leaders in this. we can back and support them, but that's what's different about what president obama's trying to do here, get allies in the region to pull their weight. >> you know, congresswoman, i remember you and i and others were very early opposed to the iraqi war. and last night, the president made it very clear, this is not like the iraq war. listen to this. >> i want the american people to understand how this effort will be different from the wars in iraq and afghanistan. it will not involve american combat troops fighting on foreign soil. the strategy of taking out terrorist who is threaten us, while supporting partners on the front lines is one we've successfully pursued in yemen and somalia for years. >> is this what the american people will support, congresswoman? >> and this is why i think they will, reverend. this is not the bush coalition of the willing.

the willing turned out to be, of course, the uk, australia, the u.s., and almost no or very few arab or muslim countries. by saying once again that we will not send troops on the ground, the republicans were sending a message to those who are most at risk. the muslim and the arab states, that the coalition on the ground this time, has got to be led by them. that is a salient difference. we will do, reverend, what we do best. what we do is air strikes, what we do is training. we have done our part, and i wish we hadn't, because it caused the chaos that we're paying for now, when we went into iraq. but we have done all we need to do in large numbers on the ground. it's up to those who are at risk to finally come in and save

themselves. >> you know, brian, as i listen to the congresswoman, i'm reminded, the president compared the fight against isis, to fighting terrorists in somalia and yemen. now, the "new york times" reports that since 2002, there have been 361 u.s. air strikes in pakistan, 100 in yemen, and 11 in somalia. how does this help explain the president's plan for isis? >> well, it demonstrates that the president is not interested in invading and occupying these countries for a long period of time. there's going to be no ground troops. it demonstrates that he's been ruthless in the use of force against these terrorist adversaries that we have. it also shows, though, i think, if you look at western pakistan, if you look at somalia and yemen, i think the downside to

that is, it has not yet produced the sustainable institutions that these societies need in the long run. so i think the upshot has been, and the good thing has been, president obama has been vigilant. there has not been an attack like we saw 13 years ago on this country, and that's in large part because of his assertive and aggressive posture. the down side is that these societies unfortunately are still very broken. >> which is what i think is the open question here, what happened afterward? but i think he was comparing the approach in terms of the air strikes. let me also say this. you've written we have an opportunity for real peace. quote, there are important debates to be had about components of the overall policy obama presented, but the thin veneer of discord masks a potential national consensus, if we allow it.

how does it help that there's a lot of room for agreement here? >> well, i think -- what i'm talking about there, some of the rhetoric that's used, like you saw senator john mccain and others, which aren't as constructive as the real debate should be. the real debate, how do we equip the syrian opposition forces? that's a tough thing to do. how do we keep a coalition together when many countries in the region don't trust each other and lack key capacities? but essentially what i was arguing in that report, there's no other game in town when you think about the framework that the president presented. there's one other big alternative, which is just stay home. that's fairly credible to some people. i don't agree with it, but i think the basic argument that president obama made is a framework that most americans can agree with, because, look,

we're not going in with large numbers of ground troops. it won't be as costly as the iraq war, and we're trying to keep americans safe. >> congresswoman, is it the only game in town? i've not heard a real concrete detailed plan from any -- on the other side of of the aisle from you, or any of the president's critics. he laid out four points last night. is there any other game in town, or will we have a consensus because he's put specifics out that people can live with? >> reverend, as reluctant as the american people are to look another war in the face, they know there's no other game in town. they can see that there are at least a hundred americans over there. they see that isis is drawing from all over the arab world. they know at this time, unlike with the iraqi war, there is evidence that the united states is in danger, and that makes it the only game in town, and we

got to start playing that game right now. >> congresswoman eleanor holmes norton and brian cattulis, thank you both for your time. >> always a pleasure. coming up, the nfl launched an independent investigation into the league's handling of the ray rice case. what are they looking for? and a potentially major development in the investigation into michael brown's killing. and apparent realtime witness reaction to the shooting. and never forget, more from the day's tributes and memorials and what we can learn, 13 years later.

>> an independent investigation into the nfl's handling of the

ray rice case is under way. what are investigators looking at, and when might we get answers? that's next.

and now to the controversy surrounding the nfl and commissioner roger goodell. the nfl has launched an independent investigation into the league's handling of the ray rice case. the investigation will be led by former fbi director robert mueller, and will be assisted by two nfl owners, john mara of the new york giants, and dan rooney

of the pittsburgh steelers. the news comes after the associated press reported a law enforcement official sent this video of ray price -- ray rice, i keep calling him ray price -- punching his then fiancee to an nfl executive five months ago. goodell has denied seeing this video until it was released by tmz sports on monday. since that a.p. report last night, we haven't heard from commissioner goodell. but an nfl spokesperson says the investigator will have the full cooperation of all nfl personnel, including full access to all records. this week, before the investigation was launched, goodell was asked about his job. >> do you feel like your job is on the line? >> no, i'm used to criticism. i'm used to that.

every day i have to earn my stripes. every day i have to do a better job. and that's my responsibility to the game, to the nfl, and to what i see as -- >> so what will this investigation reveal? and is roger goodell's future with the nfl safe? joining me now is espn.com jason whitlock. he's writing about what he called roger goodell's epic failure. and lisa bloom, attorney and legal analyst. thank you both are being here tonight. >> thank you, rev. >> thank you, rev. >> jason, where do you think this investigation goes? >> i don't think the investigation is going to go much of anywhere. roger goodell's paid $40 million a year. he's helped select this former fbi director. it's being overseen by two nfl

owners. it's not an independent investigation. it's a highly dependent investigation -- >> wait a minute. so let me get this right. goodell has appointed this investigation, and they will report to goodell? >> well, i think roger goodell helped them reach the decision to select this former fbi director, and john mara has already come out on record that doesn't want to see roger goodell fired, and he supports him. so i think they're going to reach the conclusion that they're paid to reach. so i look at this as an opportunity to stretch this thing out. when they had a richie incognito-jonathan martin locker room situation in miami, that investigation took four months. >> right. >> if this investigation takes four months, i think they're hoping some of the public clamoring for goodell's ousting

calms down. >> let me ask you, lisa, we learned about the scope of the investigation from the nfl owners involved. they are seeing answers to specific questions. what efforts were made by league staff to obtain the video inside the elevator? was the video delivered to someone at the league office? if so, what happened to the video after it was delivered? i mean, lisa, how are they going to go about getting these answers? >> so, i want to give them props for starting an investigation. this is a very good start. but this is way too narrow. and as you point out, the people who are running it are suspect. how about a woman, for example? this is a woman. it's a domestic violence issue. it's taken women all over social media to bring this to the attention -- and i might add, our male counterparts who are very supportive on the issue of domestic violence. but is it so wrong to think that we should have a domestic violence advocate or an attorney, somebody who's been

outspoken in this field, heading up this investigation? that's number one. number two, i want to say, i remember the penn state case, the horrible child molestation and cover-up, and another former fbi director, louis freeh did an investigation they thought was powerful and scathing. if this ends up being similar to that, then very good. but it shouldn't be limited to ray rice. i think there should be a full investigation at the nfl about the culture of violence against women that we've been talking about for many, many years, and it's still going on, witness this cover-up -- >> this is beyond nfl, this is beyond ray rice, but i think that clearly this one is to operate with integrity and calm down. when you look at kids around the country that see this kind of behavior, people say to me, we don't know what happened before and after on the tape. whatever happened, what we saw is so despicable, we need to

understand who would in any way try to give some kind of cover and lack of punishment here. from watching this man pull this woman like a sack of potatoes, it's unbelievable that children would look at this and feel that this is the basis of how people should operate or behave. >> well, if there's been anything positive about this, it has been the discussion that has started, and i think the education that has started. i have to cop to myself, i didn't think what he did on tape was possible. i really didn't. i thought the tape would show a fight, i did not think a man could spit on his baby's mother twice, knock her out, stand over her and then treat her like a misbehaving piece of property. i didn't think this level of depravity and pathologist really existed. so this has been educational for

me to understand what domestic violence actually looks like. i'm glad this is happening. i hope people are getting educated. we should be standing shoulder to shoulder with women, demanding accountability, from not just roger goodell, the owner of the baltimore ravens, the general manager of the baltimore ravens and the head football coach. they should have looked into this and exposed this sooner, back in february or march, this needed to be exposed, because it needed to be put in our faces and make us deal with the realities of domestic violence. >> and jason, the ravens didn't need the nfl to move. but, you know, let's not forget, lisa, before this second tape was exposed by tmz sports, they were only talking about a two-game suspension here. >> it's absolutely outrageous. you mean to tell me, the nfl with the hundreds of millions of dollars that washes through it

every year, needed tmz to do its investigation for it, that the nfl couldn't have picked up the phone and called the hotel, we know that every casino has cameras everywhere, especially in the elevators and said, you know what, we need that, please give it to us. apparently that call wasn't made. >> so what is it? they're not sensitized, they don't care? how do we change that? >> it's money. they didn't want to see this video. according to the a.p. report, in april, law enforcement tried to give it to them, or did give it to them. it's like, we don't want it, we're not going to call. we asked law enforcement, they didn't give it to us. they didn't want to see reality. i think there's a lot of denial around domestic violence. a lot of people really don't want to believe it. they don't want to have to get rid of somebody on their team who is profitable for them. >> jason? >> lisa, i know you know this. it's more than just money, though. this is textbook global sexism and the abuse of women.

and when men are in charge of judging other men, when they're sexist, we fall down and fail, and that's why they need a woman investigating the nfl. >> well, one thing we agree on, all three of us, a woman should have been on this team to investigate. jason whitlock and lisa bloom, i'm going to have to leave it there. thank you both for your time this evening. >> thank you. >> thank you. still ahead, the michael brown investigation. a new account from witnesses just after the shooting could be a critical new piece of evidence for the grand jury. plus, some disturbing news from dr. king's hometown of atlanta, where he fought for rights for so many years. stunning comments from elected officials about african americans and their drive to vote. stay with us.

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now to a potentially critical development in the investigation into the shooting of michael brown. new details on what may be the first realtime witness reaction to emerge. two construction workers who apparently saw it all unfold, their reactions just moments later caught on cell phone video taken by a bystander. nbc news hasn't verified it, so we're not airing it. but the key, one of the workers used the phrase "hands in the air," saying, quote, he had his expletive hands in the air.

he then raises his arms and says, quote, man, he was going like this. again, this reaction appears to be from right after the shooting. before it became a national story. it matches witness narratives in the days and weeks after the shooting, describing michael brown with his hands up. >> he's running this way, he turns his body towards this way, hands in the air, being compliant, he gets shot in his face and chest and goes down. >> shot struck my friend in the back. he then stopped. he stopped to turn around with his hands in the air. >> michael body jerks as if he was hit. then he turns around and put his hands up and the officer continues to shoot him until he goes down to the ground. >> the grand jury could continue meeting for another month. the question tonight, how significant is this new account, and will the grand jury see it?

joining me now is lizz brown, attorney and columnist for "st. louis american," and former u.s. attorney kendall coffee. thank you both for being here. >> thanks, reverend. >> lizz, how important is this new account? >> it's critical beyond description. we have, like you said, realtime conversation. realtime conversation that would be admissible in any court of law. an excited utterance. it's something that would come in as legitimate evidence. we have someone collaborating that the hands were up in the air. why is that important? because we believe that during the grand jury assessment, determination, that the police officer is going to be assessed in terms of whether or not he was responding as a result of aggressive actions directed towards him. we now know, as we've always known, that his hands were up.

and secondly, when we evaluate this, we evaluate it also in terms of the court of public opinion. it is additional evidence that's going to make it impossible to respond positively if there is no indictment. >> you prosecuted a lot of crime. how important is this realtime tape, as opposed to the other witnesses we've already heard? >> it's terrifically important. just as lizz described. as you point out, it corroborates what some other witnesses have said. it's realtime. it's something, because there's going to be disagreements among witnesses about some details. we know that. we don't know everything the witnesses have said. but now you have a videotape that gets to one of the most critical questions of all. what was the exact moment of michael brown's action? what was he doing as he was being gunned down? he was trying to surrender.

that's a haunting image. it's an image that we won't see, in a sense, but is now being brought back to us by eyewitnesses. it's going to go back to that jury, if there's an indictment, and they're going to disagree about a lot of things, but they'll agree on the fact that he was unarmed, that he was trying to get away, after the initial exchange with the police officer, and that he had his arms up, which is the sign of surrender. >> i've got to ask you this, kendall. does this in any way change your opinion of whether there should be an indictment here? >> i think it makes the case more prosecutable. in other words, we don't know all the evidence and i'm reluctant to get out and say, based on, you know, what we're hearing in the media. but now we have something that a prosecutor could put in front of the jury, added to everything else we know, to what we think are going to be compelling, forensic reports, again we don't have all that information, and suddenly this is a case that could get a conviction if it's prosecuted.

assuming the other things add up the way we think they will add up. >> lizz, here's what one of the construction workers told a local tv station about the shooting a few weeks ago. watch. >> i see somebody staggering and running, and when he finally caught himself, he threw his hands up and started screaming, okay okay okay okay okay okay. at first his gun was down, and then walked until he got about eight to ten feet away from him, and then he shot at him, six, seven shots. i heard -- it seemed like seven. then he put his gun down. that's when michael stumbled forward, i'd say about 25 feet or so, and fell on his face. >> does that account have more credibility if the new tape showing his realtime reaction can be verified? >> yes, it does. like kendall said, this is a moment of surrender. so the voice that you just heard was adding additional verbal

surrender to it. okay okay okay okay okay okay. this was a person that was attempting to be compliant. being compliant in every day that he knew how to do, even with bullets in him. this is incredible. and there's one more component and layer that we have to add to these two witnesses. one, they're not from ferguson, and two, they're white. and the color matters. because we have this history in our country of racial issues. right? so we now have people outside of the race of the person that was killed, and we have people that are from outside of ferguson. so the grand jury can't say that, well, the only people we had witnesses from are people that lived in his community. although that shouldn't matter at all, now we have witnesses, not from the community, the not from the age group, and not from the race of michael brown, and that is huge. >> how important is that, kendall, that they are not from ferguson, not his age group, and they're not his race?

how important is that? >> well, i think it's going make them perhaps the most believable witnesses that step into that courtroom. and what they're saying, if believed, is mighty incriminating, with respect to officer wilson. >> now, let me ask you this, lizz, here's what the washington post wrote about how prosecutors are running the grand jury process. quote, instead of telling grand jury members what the charges they believe the police officer darren wilson should face, they're leaving it open-ended for now, and involving the grand jury as co-investigators. now, the implications of that you've attacked here on that show. how does that change, if anything, with this new information, new evidence, if it's presented to them? >> well, it doesn't really change anything. what we're getting from the prosecutor is a signal, a signal of surrender. we have prosecutors who want an indictment.

never leave it up to the grand jury to say, or rarely leave it up to the grand jury to say, i think he should be charged with this. because the grand jury, it's likely that this grand jury is seeing the prosecuting attorney's office do something that they have never, ever done in front of them. they have never advocated for a charge on someone who is a defendant. what does that say? what does that signal to the grand jury? it signals that they don't want an indictment. and it's another reason that i believe very strongly that there will be no indictment. because everything that the prosecutor is doing is signaling, i don't want an indictment. >> well, then the feds will have to deal with this. but let me ask you, kendall. as a former prosecutor, the concerns, the continued outrage in the community, what gravity does that have? >> well, they're concerned about it. but prosecutors, local prosecutors are very concerned about what local police think. long after this case is no

longer on the headlines, they've got to deal with the local police community, and they care deeply about what the local police, who to them are like teammates and extended family, they care deeply about what the police think. the police don't want officer wilson to be indicted. >> that's why a lot of us feel it's got to be taken out of the local police culture, so we can have a fair appraisal of the evidence. lizz brown, and kendall coffee, thank you both for your time tonight. >> thank you, reverend. >> appreciate it. coming up, a story we have to talk about. the republican effort to suppress the vote is happening right now all over the country. and now we have georgia secretary of state on tape warning about, quote, minority voters. that's next. so what we're looking for is a way to "plus" our accounting firm's mobile plan. and "minus" our expenses. perfect timing. we're offering our best-ever pricing on mobile plans for business. run the numbers on that.

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tonight, some disturbing news from georgia. the new front in the shameful nationwide attempt by the gop to suppress the vote. the secretary of state, a republican, has been caught on tape warning about minority voters turning out at the polls. >> in closing, i just wanted to tell you real quick, after we get through this run-off, you know, the democrats are working hard, and all these stories about them, registering all these minority voters that are out there and others that are sitting on the sidelines, and if

they can do that, they can win these elections in november. >> this is blatantly partisan. it's a blatantly partisan comment from the state's top election official. he then went on to urge republicans to match those efforts. >> we've got to do the exact same thing. i would encourage all of you, if you have an android or apple device. download that app, and make it your goal just to register one new republican voter. >> this is the same person who is investigating georgia's largest democratic voter registration effort, accusing the group of committing voter fraud. there's a concerted effort on the right to make voting more difficult for certain folks in georgia. state republicans have already cut 24 early voting days from the calendar this year. and on tuesday, republican state senator fran nilo wrote an angry

response to a new early voting station in dekalb county. now we're to have sunday voting at south dekalb mall, just prior to the election. this location is dominated by african american shoppers and is near several large african american mega churches. we'll try to eliminate this new election loophole in january. when he was criticized for those comments, he doubled down, saying he would prefer more educated voters than a greater increase in the number of voters. what is he worried about? that early voting would be too convenient for african americans? that they wouldn't be educated enough to vote? we can't sit by and let voting rights come under attack in georgia, where dr. martin luther king began his long fight for voting rights and equality. and not anywhere else in the

u.s. where those rights are being attacked. joining me now is georgia democratic state senator nan oric and lee may interim ceo for dekalb county. thank you both for being here. >> thank you, reverend sharpton. >> thank you, good to be with you. >> what do you make of these new comments from georgia secretary of state? >> i'm not surprised because he's a republican and a member of a party here in georgia that's been blocking access to voting. they passed -- we passed the second voter i.d. bill in the country, was passed here in georgia by the gop. so there's been a steady drum beat of the republicans trying to suppress the vote in georgia. they should be encouraging voter participation. that is what democracy is all about. but instead, our highest official, in charge of elections is caught on camera making these

kinds of comments about minority voters. and then proceeds to actually attack a non-partisan voter registration project that's going on here in the state. >> it was your push to expand early voting sites that prompted the gop lawmaker to talk about african american shoppers and more educated voters. what's your reaction to that? >> well, it's unfortunate senator millar took this position. we were simply trying to increase accessibility to the polls. the trend in dekalb county, georgia, is that during presidential election, voter participation is as high as 70%. but during off-year elections, it goes as low as 40%. by adding one additional day, october 26, it gives us an additional day for people to get out and vote. on top of that, we also expanded the locations of where they can vote as well.

we put it at south dekalb mall, which is predominantly african american area, but we made the attempt to expand it throughout all of dekalb counties, north and south, democrat and republicans. we attempted to do it in a very fair and balanced way. >> senator, i'm seeing this all over the country. we're on a tour, non-partisan, to deal with voting rights, they are clearly trying all over the country, but specifically in georgia and in other parts of the south, to suppress the vote. what is the idea of stopping people from having the ability to vote early, to have days they can vote early, because of their work schedules or childcare or daycare? or sundays, coming after church. i mean, this is a very concentrated effort. >> no question about it, reverend. they're playing hard ball. they cut in half the number of days for early voting after we

had such successful turn-out in the recent presidential race. they cut it in half. they are now hooping and hollering and saying they're going to block us from having sunday voting days. we should be working together to bring more and more people into civic participation, into being engaged with voting and participating in politics. and instead, we see them blocking at every point. i think they know their days are numbered, that when large numbers of people vote, they're not going to do well with their narrow, narrow views on race and the fact that they're virtually, really, almost an all-white party, and they seem to fear people voting in the communities of color. this is a consistent pattern. they introduce legislation and tried to pass it this last year, of saying that local counties can shut down early voting as they wish. it's been one bill after

another, all designed to suppress the vote. you would think they would be trying to improve their record. you would think they would be trying to move past the days of the old south. but sadly, they want to take us backward. >> but if you look at the strength of the african american vote. for example, in your state, where you have a tightening race, that is between michelle nun and republican candidate perdue, it's down to 1.4 percentage points. when you see that kind of tight race, african american voters coming out and many of them would -- assumed by the republicans go for the democratic candidate, it's really a real strategic move to suppress that vote for clear political reasons, aside from some of the bias that may be involved. >> well, and the senator millar

stated it was about partisan politics. so whatever it takes to give them the advantage, i think they're willing to do. in dekalb county, we are a predominantly african american county. we're the most heavily democratic count ne the united states. so our county really does matter. if you do have more people coming to the polls, early and on election day, it is going to make a difference throughout dekalb county. but the interesting thing is, through our efforts, which was a non-partisan effort. is it wrong to want to get more people out to the polls? it's something that my ancestors, that we rest on. i wouldn't be in elected office had not our ancestors fought and bled to give greater access to the polls and that's what we've been attempting to do through this effort. and other counties have taken our lead on that, fulton county and others as well. >> i'm going to have to leave it there, but i promise you, i'm

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anxiety across the country. that fear is understandable. but we can't let it control us. today president obama spoke at the pentagon memorial about what the 9/11 terrorists hoped to achieve. >> we carry on, because as americans, we do not give in to fear. ever. >> we can't give in to fear. fear blinds us. fear leads us to bad decisions. and betraying american values, and we saw all of that in the years after 9/11, from git mo, to abu grab, to the iraq war itself. that's why it's important for president obama to be cautious and deliberate about another war overseas. but don't mistake caution for fear. we must be cautious not to put lives at risk unnecessarily.

but we must never harbor fear. we must never be a place that we can have fear be the reasons we make moves. roosevelt said the only thing we have to fear is fear itself. thank you for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. afraid to vote? let's play "hardball." ♪ ♪ good evening. in washington tonight 13 years after 9/11, the president declares war on a new terrorist enemy. but where's the congress? he says we'll have allies in the fight against isis, but where are the allies here at home? also tonight, will the nfl really deal with a player knocking out his knife? and with an executive office that seemed to