from the pentagon expecting another round of tough questions about the u.s. campaign against isis. this as new intelligence from the cia shows the ranks of that organization have swelled. isis now believed to have between 21,000 and 35,000 fighters. secretary of state john kerry continues his mission through the middle east with a stop in turkey today. he's seeking support from arab nations crucial to this operation. all the while insisting that the u.s. is not a country at war. >> the president ended the war as we knew it in which the united states invaded iraq, occupied iraq, basically ran the show and i believe what we are engaged in is not a full-fledged war like we were before. it's a heightened level of counter-terrorism. >> once the secretary's done lobbying in the middle east, he has to lobby here at home scheduled to testify on capitol hill next week. this as the mother of slain journalist james foley blames the government for her son's

death. >> perhaps part of the strategic way of doing it is to bomb them. you know, and to engage in force. but that only caused jim's death really. i guess all i'm trying to say is i feel that our government needs to be shrewder, smarter, willing to negotiate with these people who hate us. >> a reminder just how high the stakes are in this fight against isis. also, a navy pilot is missing after two jets crashed over the pacific. the two hornets crashed while flying off the aircraft carrier the "uss carl vincent. one was quickly found, the other still missing >> a convicted school shooter is back in police custody after escaping from prison. t.j. lane is serving three life sentences for killing three students at chardon high school in ohio in the 2012. last night he escaped along with three other inmates who were

also captured. >> we were able to set up a perimeter oh quickly that deterred them from going any further than they did go. >> lane is notorious for wearing a t-shirt with the word killer scrawled on it the day he was sentenced in court. the school district where he killed three students canceled class today and offering is counseling to students. and the verdict is in. blade runner olympian oscar pistorius is guilty of culpable homicide. here in the u.s. that's roughly the charge of involuntary manslaughter. the judge found him not guilty of the larger charge of murder in the shooting death of his girlfriend revalley steen camp. the judge believed pistorious when he argued he thought it was an intruder in his bathroom, not his girlfriend. steen camp's family says justice wasn't served in that six-month trial. and let's drill down on our big story today. for days, controversy swirling over when the nfl knew about

that video. and former ravens player ray rice assaulting his now wife ja nay. now you can forget the video. nbc has just confirmed espn's earlier report that rice actually told the league about his actions months ago. rob givens who has spoken publicly about her own abusive marriage to mike tyson talked to colleagues at "today." >> can you understand why ja nay stayed? >> i do, i do. look, for me, it was hard for me to say this happened to me. in many respects, it was terrible that i said it. you're not supposed to tell. >> yeah. >> so i think she's got a lot of things that she's dealing with. you want to protect your man and stand by him. >> meanwhile, the ravens rolled to victory last night at home. it was hard not to notice something. several female fans showing up wearing pro-rice jerseys. >> i wear the jersey in support of ray rice because i love ray

rice. i'm sorry, i don't believe in abuse, but she struck him first. and any woman who can hit a man can be hit back. sorry. that's my belief. point blank. >> joining me now nbc's peter alexander has been reporting on the story. big news in it. sports editor at the nation and host of "edge of sports" on sirius xm radio and attorney john mesereau. peter, i understand you just spoke to some of your sources about that meeting that rice we know had with goodell months ago. what did you hear. >> this is important. this is the meeting that took place with close to a dozen individuals. the nfl's roger goodell, the commissioner, ray rice and his wife in attendance during the course of the meeting. sources close to ray rice say that rice told them that he specifically described to goodell and the group in the room hitting his wife inside that elevator, that he told them in detail exactly what happened

there. this is significant because earlier this week, we heard roger goodell tell cbs that it was ambiguous in terms of the circumstances the way they were described by ray rice versus the way that he had come to understand exactly what took place based on the video. he said it was inconsistent what rice told him with what he saw. this would seem to conflict with that. the sources close to rice tell me he has accepted responsibility from the beginning on this and say he's been focused on family, not football and he's been with his wife attending counseling consistently since this initially happened. one other thing ronan, news we should break is that ray rice and the nfl players association today were notified of the indefinite suspension by the league. officially the notification arrived today. it's significant because this is the day ray rice was initially supposed to have been reinstated to the league. if this video never came out, he

would be back on the field next sunday. >> that is the source of controversy. did it take national outrage to get them to take action on this issue. >> peter, this aspect of these female fans rallying to rice's support. what do you make of that? >> it was stunning to me. we were in the parking lot and it canned like any other sunday or thursday night as it would be outside the stadium where the ravens played. there were literally at least a dozen female fans that i saw wearing rice's number 27. you heard the sound bite with this one fan who i think her words will outrage a lot of people saying blaming the victim here. most of the women i spoke to said ray rice led an anti-bullying campaign. he was a celebrated athlete but also a celebrated citizen for so long. they say even though they will do not condone what he's accused or now we have seen actually did in that elevator, they say they still support him and anwish he and his wife well.

>> dave, this new information as peter just pointed out flies in the face of everything that goodell has been saying this week back this description of what he said as ambiguous. how much fallout do you expect from this latest news? >> it keeps the story alive. that's the most important thing. anytime you have a situation where a man making $44 million a year running a $10 billion a year company may or may not be forced out of his job because of public outrage, the question of momentum is critical. what roonler goodell has been doing all week is praying for sunday to get here, praying for the narrative to change so we can talk about the games again. yet, this keeps the focus on roger goodell. honestly, it's not surprising at all. if you look at the police report which the nfl has had from the beginning, it says explicitly in there, ray rice punched his wife. she was knocked unconscious when she hit her head. remember rice and his then fiance were both arrested that night and the grand jury dropped the charges against jenay after

seeing the video because of what they saw. so either the nfl and goodell are profoundly incurious and for a league that does deep dives into the personal lives of players that's difficult to believe or treated this like the nfl has been treating violence force decades which is cover it up, push it away and that's catching up with roger goodell. >> that's consistent with the wives of nfl players we've been talking to including dewan williams saying she tried to notify the nfl multiple times in emergency situations and they wouldn't take her calls. a troubling trend there. tom, there's also the legal aspect to consider. the ravens team owner touched on that last night. take a listen. >> had you known in february what was on that video inside the elevator, would you have fired him then? >> we would have probably been told that we should wait till the court case came out. they had it. the police had it and gave them

equal misdemeanors that night. again, that's astounding to me. and every -- for me to tell you the truth it, makes me look like i'm pointing fingers at other people but they gave them equal misdemeanors. >> in other words, what you're saying is you weren't getting a signal from the courts in new jersey that this was as bad. >> or the prosecutor that gave him probation. >> tom, so much of this national conversation has focused on the league. should some blame also lie with the court system here? >> ronan, prosecutors and defense lawyers in the criminal justice system know that domestic violence cases are complicated. they're complicated because victims of abuse often change their story, often take responsibility, often want the charges dismisses. and the conviction rate is much lower than with other crimes because of that. what i'd like to know is did mr. goodell make any effort to the investigate independently other than what he was told in

that meeting. presumably, the nfl has more resources to obtain a tape in a hotel elevator than tmz. did he basically shut his eyes to what could have happened? did he basically try and sweep it under the rug or did he really honestly believe that this couple told him the truth that it wasn't as serious as he thought. these things have to be investigated. but if he was affected by the wife saying it's my fault, i have forgiven him, please don't punish him, that would be understandable, too. we have to investigate and see what happens. >> dave, this isn't the only case of domestic violence that the league is dealing with. ray mcdonald of the 49ers out on $25,000 bail, accused of felony domestic abuse for assaulting his pregnant fiance. are other players being held to the same standard that ray rice is in terms of national route outrage. >> not even close. under goodell's tenure, 56

players have been arrested on violence charges suspended a combined 13 games. of those 56 players, 55 were not caught on videotape. that's the profoundly cynical message that the league i believe has sent out these last couple weeks. if you're going to commit domestic violence, don't get caught on videotape because we can't help you. the outrage is frankly a product of years of inaction. what it's forcing people to do is see how the sausages are made in the leaguing and see how this very violent sport spills into families and the personal lives of players and see how the nfl has done solely to confront this problem. >> if there's one positive part of the story, it's sun light being shed on these issues. dave, tom, peter, thank you for the breaking news on this. appreciate it. >> we've got breaking news on another subject to share with you. toronto mayor rob ford always us amid controversy is now withdrawing from his race for

re-election. the reason he cited, his health. ford was hospitalize this had week and diagnosed with an abdominal tumor. there were calls for him to give up office last fall after he admitted to using crack cocaine. back then he refused all calls to resign. breaking news, he is now dropping from his race for re-election due to those health reasons. up next, stick around. we're looking at the u.s. fight againstdance isis taking a major new step forward. and later in the hour, an important voice joins us. you'll want to see this one. just over a month after the tragic death of michael brown in ferguson, missouri, his father is still fighting for justice. i hear from michael brown's dad, michael brown senior and his attorney ben crump in just a few minutes. don't go away, everybody. it's time for the entrepreneur of the week. ellen is the owner of the perennial gardener in fort collins, colorado and says main

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>> we've just confirmed that retired marine corps general john allen is the man to lead the military operation against isis in iraq and syria. general allen served as the top u.s. commander in afghanistan and before that, he headed up efforts to rally sunni fighters in iraq against al qaeda. that was known as the al anbar awakening, essentially a proxy military operation that president obama will now look to mirror. with that strategy of relying on foreign fighting forces is going to be anything but simple, simple. remember afghanistan in the 1980s? the u.s. backed the mujahadin in their fight against the russia later used against the united states. how about the comparison the president himself made rolling out this strategy? in somalia in 2008, the u.s. backed invading ethiopian forces to unsee the leaders there and ended up creating al shabaab now one of the worst terror threats in africa.

be be general allen avoid pitfalls of proxy? chris hill former u.s. ambassador to iraq and assistant secretary of state. let's look at the proxy fighters on the syrian side of the conflict. a senior syrian opposition leader told josh rogin this. he said it's unrealistic to ask moderate rebels to use u.s. weapons against isis but not against assad. is it naive to think we can just turn these fighters away from their own war to fight ours? ? i think the -- of all the issues, arming moderate syrians is probably the most problematic. first of all, we're not even sure there are any. secondly, the ones there might be are scattered all over the place. thirdly, the notion that we can train them out of the country which is one of the ideas, bring them back in, have them take on some of the main groups like al nusra, then go after isis and then by the way, work on assad's

forces and finally organize a victory parade into damascus is going to be a tall order. >> and these are forces that we've will extreme reluctance about arming thus far. it does seem quite a step to say now they are going to be the crux of this operation. on the iraqi side of this, we're looking at more and more support for the kurdish peshmerga. how reliable are they as partners? >> i think that's a much more doable proposition. they have a i think is command structure and attend to be rather well disciplined, pretty well trained. very loyal troops. i think that is a doable proposition. they've not ever received the arms they need. they're clearly getting those now. so i can see the pesh mer her ga being important in the fight. the only issue is the peshmerga is not necessarily interested in liberating arab lands for arabs. they're interested in kurdish lands. >> right and some of the kurdish objectives like separatism are not always what we want to be supporting. chris hill, thank you for

helping us understand today. appreciate it. >> those challenges the ambassador is telling us about could make for a tough road ahead politically as congress considers funding it 0 train the forces. joining me to discuss the stakes, robert costa, national political reporter for "the washington post" and clarence page, columnist for the chicago tribune, both excellent reporters. thank you both of you for taking time. the president's requesting title 108 training funds for the syrian rebels. what exactly does the president need and what are the chans he's going to get it? >> i think -- the chances of him getting it, this hits an awkward time right before the midterm elections. not enough time to have adequate debate really for something this serious, but i think congress is going to go along with the president for the time being, most of it will go along with him just for the sake of national unity. even if. the parties aren't unified themselves around this issue.

what he's really seeking here is aid to rebels that he disparaged not that long ago as being something of a ragtag bunch of craftsmen and carpenters and clerks, et cetera. now they are some sort of a hope for liberation from assad. i think what you just heard earlier segment was true. the leadership is very divided there and there's hundreds of different militia groups there. i this i obama's trying to in some way pressure assad into some sort of cooperation. we'll see. >> robert, if the president doesn't get what he needs on the hill, what then? >> well, i think the president will get initially what he needs which is this authorization to arm the rebels. the reason i think he's going to it is because what i'm hearing from my sources today instead of tieing this request to a government funding bill, it will be a stand alone bill allowed it

to be whipped on its own merits and if he doesn't get it, i think the president still believes he has the authority to move forward in this limited fashion. >> clarence, you just mentioned some of the political issues at stake here. how do you see this affecting the midterms? >> i don't know if it will have a big effect on the midterms because of the fact that it the guy in the spot right now is president obama. and his approvals are so low, particularly as far as national security is concerned. i think both the senatorial candidates and the house candidates in both parties are going to want to stand together against terrorism right now because the polls show close to 100% of the public knows about the beheadings which are the big emotional issue that's galvanized so many of the feelings now that want to involve the u.s. over in iraq and syria. but at the same time, we don't

want boots on the ground. people think they can fight this from the air as much as possible. president obama is trying to give that impression. i think as speaker boehner says, eventually somebody's boots have to be on the ground. they may we'll be american. but for the time being, i don't think this will have a bill impact one way or the other on the midterms. >> wanting to appear tough but not put anything at stake. always such a pleasure to hear from you. >> thank you. >> we've got a major interview coming up at this same time monday. nancy pelosi will join me live right here in the studio to look at how the president is handling the isis threat along with a host of other issues right here on "ronan farrow daily." tell us what you want to hear from speaker pelosi. we're going to be right back.

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there needs to be international dialogue. the risk is becoming higher and higher. and i really feel that our country let jim down. jim believed till the end that his country would come to their aid. >> new reaction from diane foley on the government's response to the beheading of her journalist son james foley. of course, foley and fellow reporter steven sotloff are among the 34 journalists confirmed killed in 13 different countries just this year. and they're also among the 1,074 killed since 1992. diane foley isn't the only one raising tough questions whether the government does enough to protect those journalists. a major watchdog, the committee to protect journalists can just

launched a fiery petition calling for exactly that. is there anything governments can actually do prevent the next murder, the next foley, the next steven sotloff? joining me is columnist nick kristof. you yourself have reported in a lot of dangerous places over your career and you wrote a powerful piece in the times just how much is at stake. you said my heart broke for seempb sotloff, the second american journalist beheaded in syria and you say one of the biggest changes i've seen in my career is an that journalists and aid workers have become targets. groups now see journalists as captives and subject captives to abuse and torture. why the change? >> i think part of it is is that radical groups used to depend to some degree as a channel out. these days they've got youtube and twitter and there tends to be more an anti-western ideology that motivates them. we're part of their business

model. they can monetize us, particularly since european countries have been paying ran some that creates incentive for any bandit to the kidnap a journalist and sell him to a jihadi group. >> it's a big policy challenge that's very much out in the open in the international debate on this. the u.s. has a policy not to pay ran some in cases like this. the europeans do not. a times investigation found al qaeda actually has raised, and thin includes affiliates, as well about $125 million from kidnappings since 2008. i think we have a diagram of that. should this be something that the u.s. does more to rally europeans to change their tune on? >> yeah, i mean, obviously, i have kind of mixed feelings about this. if i were kidnapped, then i'm ep sure i would want a ransom paid. on the other hand, clearly the ran some's perpetuate kidnappings and make it much tougher for american journalists

kidnapped because if the europeans are being ran somed and the americans aren't, that creates insensitive for jihadi groups to execute americans. >> it's incredibly problematic how things are right now. that inconsistency is creating wrong incentives for the terrorist groups. there's no easy answer. if it's your family, you want the ran some paid. >> that's right. i guess i'd say there's no easy answer for protecting american journalists other than news organizations could be more careful how they deploy people. we in journalism can be more responsible. i remember calculating early in the iraq and afghan war that journalists were dying at ten times the rate of american soldiers. >> ten times the rate. >> that's astonishing. >> the military is really good about putting people in harm's way and trying to keep them alive. we can learn something from that in journalism. that's a hard problem. one easier problem, one way we can protect journalists and honor foley and sotloff is to do more to speak of to other

journalists being held captive by governments including our allies out there. >> i wanted to ask you about that in particular. that is a big issue for you. you've always been a champion of human rights. does the u.s. do enough to talk to governments we work with that have journalists prisoner? this is very much at the forefront of a lot of people's minds. egypt imprivileged three al jazeera journalists. >> we don't do enough. when we speak out, we often speak up about those kinds of imprisonments done by enemies. we need to speak up where it's done by allies. in countries like ethiopia, turkey, bahrain, you know, it is one thing that bahrain and iran have in common is they both inprivilege journalists. we have real leverage on these governments. >> nick, the other interesting facet and the way in which it's

not an easy conversation is the public response. people have been tweeting us about this issue and the response isn't always sympathetic. look at some of these responses. jim told us "you choose to go there and then you accept the dangers. sorry your problem, not ours." frank said "whoever they're working for should provide security when necessary but nobody else should be put at risk just because they want to go to extremes for a story. if they're freelancing and go it alone, there he should know the risk." chris told us journalists have died in every modern war they cover. hundreds died covering vietnam. it is a risk they willingly take that is not necessarily. we don't have to have a firsthand glance at the frontlines and or in hot beds where kidnappings are more likely. does that surprise you? >> i've seen the same kind of reaction, and i mean i guess i would say a, i think the journalists on the frontline are not asking for people to rescue them. it's true they know the risks. they're accepting it. for my part, i hugely admire

them. part of that is frankly i think a lot of us went into journalism in the hope we would make a difference. over the last 15 years or so, there's been a trivialization of the news. you know, we didn't go into journalist to cover celebrities and yet, so far this year, the sudan south sudan civil war had three minutes of coverage on network newscasts. even with the famine looming. the missing airliner in the spring had 300 minutes, 100 times as much. so the people who are actually pushing back at that are the steven sotloffs, the jim foley's and they're taking risks to bring back important stories like the rise of isis, like the 200,000 people being killed in syria. and i think that they will deserve our respect, our admiration for the sacrifice they have made and their families do, as well. >> that's right. this is why this is such an important issue.

i'm so glad i have the opportunity to cover it here. these are stories that are not trivial. they inform the policies we make as a nation. they inform what we do as individuals. i myself lean on the reporting that we get from these people who take risks every single day. so i do think it's one of the most important public services one can perform to go to these dangerous places. you're on the list of people who have done that. i this i it's troubling that the public is comfortable with a news cycle that doesn't feature that. >> i guess i would just say that the people putting themselves in harm's way are not only those american journalists out therein an especially the photographers and photojournalists who are just incredible but also the local journalists, local translators local drivers. >> who get no international attention when harmed. >> they get none of the ed credit, take all the risks. we couldn't cover these stories without them. they truly deserve our thanks and appreciation, as well. >> that's such an important sentiment. nick, thank you for all the work

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welcome back, everybody. we've just now learned that the ferguson missouri chapter of the national action network will lead a vigil tomorrow to demand that officer darren wilson be arrested. meanwhile, the unrest in fergon is continuing with dozens of demonstrators arrested just this week during standoffs between police and protester who's tried to block an interstate. a grand jury investigation is also under way in the shooting of unarmed teen michael brown. but the police still have yet to release a detailed account of the incident. and the state prosecutor that are residents have been protesting is still presiding

over that case. emotions ran high at a town hall meeting on the anniversary of brown's death this week. >> none of us would be here if the police chief you guys put in office would have just came forward and said, we apologize. this was handled wrong. i just really want that to rest in your hearts because i know you're not going to answer me. when you go to sleep or some of you guys have kids, put your kids in bed tonight and i want you to think if they were shot, what you would want the police chief to do. we haven't gotten one apology, one. one. and that's the mayor sitting up there front row gronk how you doing? we haven't gotten one apology from you. >> unanswered questions making it hard for this community to heal. we were scheduled to do an interview with michael brown senior and ben crump, his attorney. due to technical difficulties we can't get that to you right now. we'll get it to you as soon as we can. it should be on shortly.

but not on this program. we apologize for that. we'll keep you posted. right now we're joined by ron allen covering developments in ferguson. he's here in the studio to give us an update. ron, an emotional meeting we just heard a piece of there in ferguson. how much of a theme has that is concern about poverty and some of the underlying issues in this community been in your conversations in ferguson? >> well, this incident brought out a lot of stuff bubbling under the surface for a long time. and you heard it in the council meeting. we heard it on the streets. it's poverty, it's race. it's class. it's it's culture. the people who live in the area where mike brown was killed lead a different life than the rest of ferguson and the rest of st. louis and the rest of the country. the unemployment rates are high. the prospects are bad. the school systems are bad. so people feel just a complete disconnect with the rest of nerg ferguson. so when this happened to michael brown, whatever the facts are,

people saw it as not something that they were surprised by and something that was a symbol and a symptom of much deeper problems. >> what are you hearing about this latest vigil and do you see this community healing? >> i don't see it healing at the moment. i see the minority community, the african-american community in many ways coming together, but i think the big issue, of course, is going to be what the grand jury decides. we're hearing they may make a decision sometime in mid-october. it may be longer from what i understand, october would be fast. if the grand jury decides not to indict the officer, which many people in ferguson and elsewhere think is the likely outcome because plifs have a lot of authority and because despite what some of these wit anies say, it appears there was something that precipitated the officer reacting as he did, if they don't indict the officer, i think the healing is going to be out of the question for a while. people are angry. a lot of people there don't understand this whole situation in all its complexities at a visceral level.

people understand in their heart and soul there's no reason why a 17-year-old boy should be killed like that and they have a valid point certainly. so at a very raw level, i think people to react very negatively if the officer isn't indicted. healing perhaps begins after that. if there -- if he is charged, if there is a trial, that would probably be easier to go forward from. i think at this point we're still in the grievance stage. we're not in the healing stage. >> we'll have to watch closely if the leadership does anything in particular, particularly the police, to address the grievances. maybe one of the reasons this story resonated so deeply nationally is ferguson is emblematic of the underlying issues. a poll from the brookings institute.

prompter, catch up. a little more. essentially this trend is of more poverty in suburban areas rather than the inner cities you would expect. is that surprising with you, having spent all this time on the ground in ferguson? >> no, this is the story of america. ferguson could be anyplace in america. it's a suburb, technically, but it feels more like an inner city. when you break ferguson down, the part in ferguson where this happened is very inner city. the stretch of west florissant avenue is mom and pop businesses, barber shops, liquor stores, small retail outlets. up the road a mile to another community and there's target and other bigger enterprises. so, it's a core poverty issue. it's a race issue because people feel, primarily african-american, and people just feel disconnected. but, of course, you know, while

this is societal, it's also on the community to come together. someone pointed out city council meetings no one attends, so why doesn't this community have more representation in the city council? a black mayor? if they came together and participated in the process, despite the obstacles of that, things would be different. things are going to start getting different because they will be involved with that. >> thank you, ron allen. i appreciate your insights and reporting you've been doing out of ferguson. we have michael brown sr. and his attorney benjamin crump. we're so grateful you're here with us now. thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> first of all, i wanted to talk to you, michael brown sr. you're dealing with a nightmare that no father would ever want to experience. how are you and your family doing? >> oh, we're just taking it day by day. holding up the best way we can. just staying prayed up. >> you and your family have

asked for peaceful protests in the past, yet you're still waiting for justice to be served. we're hearing a lot of frustration in this community, including new rounds of arrests of these protesters. is there any message you want to deliver to those protesters now? >> the only thing with the protests, i would like to say is, you know, as long as you protest in the right way, you know, and keep this movement going, keeping my son in your hearts, so we can get this job done right, everything is okay. >> michael, obviously, all of our feelings and thoughts have been so with you. also, the country has been riveted following exactly whether there's going to be the leadership this community is looking for in the investigation. a lot of concerns about this prosecutor. have you had any contact with the prosecutor and the investigating team? >> no. >> we haven't? >> still no contact with the prosecutor? >> no. >> it's been more than a month since your son's death. if darren wilson is listening to this interview, do you have a message for him?

>> we just want to know -- why what happened, for the truth to come out. that's all we have asked for from day one. they want answers. >> there's a new cell phone video circulating that shows bystanders who allegedly witnessed the shooting moments after it happened. nbc hasn't verified this video but you feel strongly it could be a game-changer. ben crump, will that be used in court and how these men reacted, do you think that's significant to this case? >> we i think it's very significant. it's of paramount significance, in fact. mr. brown and i were just talking about how grateful the family is that they came forward, even though it's very hard, because what you have is a live play-by-play of how his son's life was taken in broad daylight. it's a contemporaneous recording of what their reaction was to what they had just witnessed.

when they said his hands was up and the police kept shooting, they said when he was running away with his back to the police, he kept shooting. so, we think it's very significant. >> michael brown sr., a bit of time has passed but we don't want to lose sight of what's most important in this story and that's your son. so much has been said about his death. but i'd love to hear from you what he was like in life. what were his plans for after graduation? >> well, he was going to attend college, vatterrot. before that, just a regular teenager. you know, big guy, big heart. you know, he knew what he wanted in life. you know, that was a plus, you know. so, you know, just to be taken away like that, it hurts. >> it is more than any of our families can imagine. michael brown sr., benjamin crump, thank you. we'll be following your fight on this closely. next week you go up on capitol

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