tonight, on "lockup: world tour" -- we go behind prison walls in scotland, the knife murder capital of europe. >> i stabbed people, i slashed people. >> we meet a killer with a sadistic streak. >> what do you do with pliers? >> and the interview takes a startling turn. violence erupts inside a maximum security prison in belgium. >> he's a crazy man, he's a murder. but i'm not scared, you know? >> but in this prison, when tensions rise, inmates can cool

off in the sex room. >> two hours for sex. to americans, it's country best known for chocolate, waffles and beer. belgium. roughly the size of maryland. it's considered to be one of the safest nations in europe. but criminals do exist here. and the most hardcore can be found 50 miles east of brussels in the town of hasselt.

the prison houses 470 men and in a separate unit, 30 women. >> this is unique. the other prisons in this country, they are old prisons. there are more than 100 years, 150 years old. and they have a culture. we started from zero. >> as the nation's newest high security prison, hasselt employs a wide range of technology. but nothing like we've ever seen in the u.s. from 9:00 at night until 6:30 in the morning, correctional officers are not allowed to go inside cells without special permission from the prison director. >> at 9:00, the prisoners are locked in the cells. the big chief comes to collect the keys. you can't go in a cell. >> why? >> that's the rules here. >> what do you think goes on

behind these doors? >> i don't know and i don't want to know what goes on. but when you go out, make your checks, you can sometimes smell the weed. the only thing you can do is the day after get a complete checkup of the cell. but most of the time you don't find anything. >> but that's not the only unusual security policy. while american correctional officers who have close contact don't carry guns, these officers carry any less. >> none of the staff have any weapons, no pepper spray or batons? >> the only equipment is keys and the cell phone. but if necessary, we can get plastic shields, batons, the restraints, chains. i don't think i ever wore a helmet. >> male inmates considered to be the greatest threat are segregated in their own unit, section 20.

>> one day i used a lot of drugs. when they are a risk for escaping, then they come to section 20. >> barack ersen is awaiting trial for attempted murder of a wheelchair bound man. >> unlike most high security units in american prisons, where inmates are locked in cells 23 hours a day, barack and other section 20 inmates are given access to common areas. but less than 24 hours after our arrival, a fight breaks out between two inmates. surveillance footage revealed that barack, shown speaking on a pay phone, was one of the participants. he is suddenly approached by

another inmate, who has just picked up supplies and food from the prison canteen. and just seconds later, they take each other to the ground. correctional officers swarm the two men and take barack into custody. while the other inmate picks up his supplies and leaves the scene. >> barack will be confined to the isolation cell until he attends a disciplinary hearing. >> we went to interview him after this fight, he was very upset. he felt he was being treated as the perpetrator when he was in fact the victim. >> i was talking to my mother, i say mom, is everything okay. and she said i want to talk to you. i say what, you want to fight?

>> barack's opponent is a violent repeat offender. he says barack started the fight. >> he jumped you. what happened? >> it was not a real fight. >> unlike barack, eric was sent back to his regular cell and not placed under any new restrictions. barack claims eric receives special treatment from the prison. >> eric is, in fact, a former paratrooper. but barack says he got the better of him in the fight.

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the security system at prison hasselt in belgium is

as technologically advanced as any american prison that we have profiled. >> it is a very secure place, where no prisoners may go. we watch everything. that's our security. for the moment, we have no escapes in this prison. but the inmates probably they think a lot about escaping. but the security is very high. >> preventing escape is a high priority at hasselt. that's why peter was transferred here two weeks ago. he was sentenced for five years for the armed robbery of three jewelry couriers and tried to boldly cut that sentence short. >> i notice when you walk, you have a limp. why? >> there was an accident when i escaped. there was a construction going on in the prison. they had this ladder, and we run and jump over the fence, so i

actually made it out. i run and they catch me five, six kilometers in a village. and from there, they move me to this prison. >> peter says he is escape was motivated by the pressures of being the parent of four young children. >> in the united states, an escape attempt usually leads to more time in prison. but it's a very different story in belgium. >> it's the law that says the fact of escaping is not a crime, but they can do another crime. for example, if they escape with the prison clothes, keeping those prison clothes is a crime. unless they send the clothes back, we have someone who escaped, jumping out of the window. after two, three days we get the clothes back, washed and

cleaned. so he didn't make any crime. >> in accordance with belgium law, since peter committed no crimes for the escape, he received no extra prison time once he was captured. >> it's a nice, happy surprise. i don't like surprises but it's a nice surprise. >> peter's only punishment was a two-month stay in hasselt's high security unit, section 20. but it's all worked out for the best. he likes it here. >> it's nice compared to the other ones. food here, they give you the same way that they give you in any belgium restaurant, any belgium traditional restaurant. same taste, same everything. i guess when you escape, they put you in a better place so you don't try to run again. >> while peter might take comfort in a good meal, phillip

finds it in the daily mail call. >> it's a letter from my girlfriend. it's nice to have a letter. these are from june 2008 until now. this is from the day before, 670. yeah. we never have a day that we didn't write, never. >> but when phillip mails his letters, they never travel outside the prison walls. his girlfriend, connie, is also serving time. >> my room is big, for my partner. 14 years ago. >> while the hundreds of letters together symbolize their love, ironically, it was a bonnie and clyde like robbery spree of belgium post offices that

brought them here. >> we are so close that we're going together, you know, we give our life for each other. >> since belgium post offices also offer banking services, they were the couple's prime target. >> i told her many times, i say, connie, you know, we have to be careful. it's bad luck to be caught, you know? she said yeah, we have to stop. and i say yes. and after i say we need the money. >> on their ninth robbery, they were not only caught, phillip accidently shot himself in the leg trying to escape. but the pain was more than just physical. >> i failed my promise to her, you know, to give her a better life. >> fortunately for connie and phillip, they're incarcerated in a nation that understands the power of love. they're allowed to see each other three times a week.

but once a month they are allowed a special visit. >> two hours for sex. and nobody look. that's fine. >> in belgium, they just cut to the chase. they call this room the sex room. and it was a very surprisingly lovely looking room. very large bathroom, very nice lighting in the bedroom. large-sized bed, big-sized bed. very neatly folded towels on the bed and a little shocking, packets of condoms. >> the prisons have the right to have private visit but it's not only sexual. he can ask his mother or father or sister. but mostly it is used as a sex room. >> what's going on now, phillip? what are you preparing for?

>> to visit my wife. very nice. >> is that a banana? >> to get power. >> happy? >> happy, yeah, yeah. >> the things humans need, you know? and if you love someone, you need to be alone for two hours, you know? coming up -- >> barack seeks justice. and later -- >> basically you threw somebody off a bridge and choked somebody

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inside belgium's prison hasselt, inmate barack ersen has just spent his second nice in an isolation cell. he's there for getting into a fight with another inmate. >> i'm the black sheep, always. because i'll do anything, it's always me. >> this morning, he'll meet the prison's disciplinary committee to find out if there will be further punishment. the inmate barack fought will also go before the committee, but he seems no more concerned now than he was when he casually walked away from the fight as officers swarmed barack. >> what do you think is going to happen? >> i don't know. >> are you worried? >> no, no. >> no? >> prison officials claim that eric is a well-behaved inmate and it's only his violent

reputation outside of prison that requires them to house him in section 20. >> with the police, he has a very heavy reputation, that he's a very heavy guy in the criminal environment. it is a reputation that follows him, and he has a lot of crimes and it's often with guns. >> i'm 39 years old. i was before ten years in jail forearmed robbie, and then i go free and i come back for two years for a fight. and now i'm in jail. they think that i killed somebody. >> under what circumstances did this person die? >> bullet in his head. >> the two inmate also have separate hearings and eric's is

held first. after the charges are read, officials ask to hear his side of the story and he responds in his native dutch. >> i know him for many, many

>> i know him for many, many years, and personally i never, ever have any problem with erik.

>> a short time later, barack is escorted to the hearing room. and his outlook is less than hopeful. >> when erik gave his account of the incident, he was very calm and very respectful in the disciplinary board. when barack came in, it was a very different story. he claimed erik was blackmailing him and became very aggressive with the director.

>> we know barack for many years. we think he takes a lot of drugs. these drugs has changed his personality, and he became more and more aggressive and the last

few months, last few years. >> what happens now, barack? >> i don't know. they will give me penalty i think, a good one. but i don't give a [ bleep ]. they think they're going to break me. >> a short time later, the committee reaches a decision. they will be no sanctions for erik. but barack will receive two additional days in isolation for being argumentative in the hearing and another month in section 20 for the fight. we caught up with barack three days later after he was moved out of isolation and back into his section 20 cell. he was in a much better mood.

next on "lockup: world tour" -- >> what do you do with pliers? >> one of the most infamous murderers in scotland. and an old timer stirs up trouble.

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directly between glasgow and edenborow is shotts. just beyond its green fields is a much more for boding presence. this is her majesty's prison, shotts. a facility that houses more than 500 of scotland's most violent prisoners. >> all the prisoners here will be serving four years and over. that means they have committed a serious crime. 52% of the prisoners at the moment are serving a life sentence. most life sentences are given for murder, so we have a lot of

murderers here. >> many of the men convicted of murder here are young, still in their 20s and claim drugs and alcohol led them to kill. drugs played a role in the incarceration of 29-year-old chris hutchison. but he was on the supply side. and his crimes made headlines. >> so you were a drug dealer? >> but hutchison was a drug deal we are a sadistic streak. he's serving a 25 year to life sentence for murder, kidnapping and torture. >> how did those two people die? >> one fell off a bridge and another one died. >> one fell off a bridge? wouldn't that be an accident? what happened? >> fell off a bridge. >> were you there when he fell off the bridge? >> aye. >> how did the other one die? >> other one died just died,

didn't he? he choked. >> on his food? >> no. >> so basically you threw somebody off a bridge and you choked somebody? >> aye. >> chris was very flippant and he had this odd habit when there was a break in the interview of half singing a song and belching. >> but as we probed deeper into his crimes, we soon learned that his murder victims were not the only ones who suffered. those who did not pay up on their drug debts often met especially sadistic consequences.

>> one of the men hutchison murdered was his cousin.

>> the interview is suddenly stopped by a correctional officer providing security. >> it was one of the strangest experiences i've ever had filming in a prison, to have an officer interrupt the interview and confer with him. in scotland, the inmates have a good chance of making parole and this officer was concerned that if chris became too descriptive in his crimes, it wouldn't bode well for him. >> when the interview resumes, hutchison discusses why he killed his cousin.

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of the 500 inmates in scotland, more than half have been convicted of murder. according to a united nations

study, scotts are three times more likely to be the victim of violent assault than americans. and in a country where hand guns are illegal, more than half of all murders are committed with knives. some call scotland the knife murder capital of europe. >> looks like a pretty bad slash. >> michael marr is one of many who have been on the wrong side of the blade. he's just arrived to begin a six-year sentence for assault and robbery. >> we quickly learn that shotts is full of young men whose lives have been put on hold because of knife violence. >> i stabbed people, i slashed people, i scalded people. that was the only way for me to survive. >> gallagher came to prison four years ago on a prison charge. he claims he didn't know his

girlfriend stole a drunken man's wallet. when the man pursued them, gallagher struck. >> i stabbed him once and he more or less collapsed. and we got caught the next day. i wasn't really thinking. i was on drugs. >> gallagher received a life sentence but is eligible for parole after 15 years in prison. he works here as a barber. >> how much time do you think you're going to be in prison before you have a shot at

parole? >> truthfully, i don't believe i'll ever be out. >> how does a 22-year-old face the fact that when he wakes up is spending the rest of his life? >> drugs. turn to drugs. i've been here for three weeks and there's not been a day without drugs. >> what type of drugs? >> heroin. >> how are you taking it? >> smoking. people don't go for needles over here. >> are you high right now? >> no, no, no, not yet. >> when does that happen? >> when this is finished. >> drugs have impacted steven galaway's life as well. he spent most of his adult life behind bars but maintained a sense of humor about it all.

>> as soon as we steven, it was evidence dent that he was a funny, outgoing character. even when the joke was pointed at you, you had to laugh, as i found out. >> but underneath galaway's humor is a desperate past. >> he's currently serving just under four years for assault and robbery. >> galaway only has 15 months left in his current sentence and says he wants to clean up his life and stay out. but with his past record, another conviction could send him away for good.

>> but an adulthood in prison doesn't always prepare one for life on the outside. >> how do you manage your cell here? >> have you seen my cell? >> but galaway does know how to survive in prison. start by making friends with the correctional staff. >> he was offering candy to us,

to the officers, other inmates. steven actually even asked one of the officers to take his canteen to the new inmate, michael marr. but he made no attempt to hide his real motive for being such a nice guy. >> when marr returns to his cell, he finds the house warming gift left by galaway or as others refer to him as the scouse, slang for people from liverpool.

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lethal combination of alcohol, drugs and knives. but they're not all youngsters. >> 60-year-old jimmy reid is about halfway through an 11-year sentence for culpable homicide, the equivalent of manslaughter in the u.s. >> while this was the first time he'd killed a man, jimmy's drinking has resulted in numerous convictions. he's spent most of his adult life in prisons and his sister

said he should be thankful for that. >> jimmy was also carrying on the night before we met him. he had received several disciplinary reports for causing a disturbance. it started when he couldn't account for all of his prescription medication which is a prison requirement to prevent drug dealing. >> where did the other two go? >> i took them. they're mine. i got them off a doctor. but they put me on report for that.

>> okay. what else? >> i should have had 42. i had 40. so i went crazy. >> what did you do? >> what did i do? everything. >> jimmy started off by continually ringing the emergency call button in his cell. >> just keep ringing the bell. >> this one over here? >> rung the bell for hours. not getting much joy, so i lit it. i set the alarm off. >> by setting off his fire alarm, jimmy prompted the local fire department to visit the prison. we joined him the next day when he had to face the prison's deputy governor to answer for five write-ups. the first concern, the missing pills. >> yes. >> okay. nurse ann o'neal checked the

medication of james reid and found he was three tablets short. i placed him on report. is that correct? >> i would say two. >> you would say two. >> aye. >> okay. but the nurse is saying three. based on what she said, are you pleading guilty or not guilty. >> guilty. >> all right. then the second report, mr. reid, do you want any materials for taking notes? >> no. >> you swore at an officer and threatened to set fire to your cell. is that correct? >> aye. >> how do you plead? >> guilty. >> when being served with the report james reid became abusive to me -- and this is officer milton telling me to get to [ bleep ]. he then threatened to set fire to his cell. i placed him on report. >> well, i tried to explain to him. lock me up if you want. if you lock me up, i'll burn my peter. >> all right. so that's the reason you have been put on report. >> aye. >> okay. your third report then, you have

been charged with disobeying a lawful order and this was continually placing your buzzer throughout the period. when asked what was wrong, he was met with the response of [ bleep ] off. how do you plead? >> guilty. >> you're guilty. two more to go. right, okay. the fourth charge then is disobeying, again, a rule where you have been continually pressing your cell button again for no reason. >> guilty. >> guilty. the last report of the evening was where you have intentionally endangered the health and personal safety of others. this is where you activated the smoke detector in your cell, thereby causing the fire alarm to activate in the hall requiring prison staff and the fire service to attend. do you understand that charge? and how do you plead? >> guilty. >> okay. so you have pled guilty. i'm going to find you guilty on that basis. all right, mr. reid. i think that's us finished with the reports for this morning.

>> jimmy's otherwise good behavior record over the past year helps him catch a break. he receives seven days loss of recreation time. his prison job wages and access to the cash account to buy snacks from the canteen. >> you're okay with it? >> for five reports, yes, i'm okay. >> jimmy is escorted back to his cell in d-hall, the prison's protective custody wing. >> jimmy's done a a lot of time. he's not a young chap. jimmy has enemies in different establishments and main stream halls so he's kept separate. >> i was getting medication off a doctor and there was a prisoner trying to take them off me and he sent another prisoner to my cell. i told the guy to [ bleep ] off. do me, or i'll do you. i said, you're 30 years younger than me. but i will [ bleep ] murder you. so either [ bleep ] off or shut the door.

he [ bleep ] off. if they want to fight with me, they'll fight with my rules. knife. then he -- then he won't fight because he knows he may not win. >> jimmy might convey tough persona inside shotts, but he has serious concerns about what awaits him on the inside when he leaves. >> i killed a man which had two big sons. who are about 30 years of age, that region. who will cause me a problem when i get out. i understand that. i killed their father. so there's a problem. they may come looking for me. if anybody killed my father, i'd [ bleep ] look for them.

so i'm expecting that. do i walk away from it or do i head back? my hands are tied. if i head back, i'm sent back to prison. but can i let these guys hurt me? they may not just hurt me. they may knife me. i knifed their father. so that's a problem i've got ahead of me. so i may move out of town. >> do you think you're going to drink? >> why not? >> it seems to cause you problems. >> i've been doing it for 40 years. any time i'm out. can i see myself stopping now? no. no. you want the truth, you're getting it. no. no.

are there any personal problems on this block right now? people not getting along? we need to talk about it now to get it straightened up. >> a new inmate struggles with life on the tough side of the jail. >> they've got me sleeping on the floor. >> another inmate is offered a chance to improve his condition, but mounts a defense anyway. >> he's never satisfied with anything he gets. >> and she has made threats