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to the american people on wednesday night president obama announced a major es calation o a campaign to defeat isis, that is advancing across iraq from syria. adding u.s. fire power to the country's bloody 3-year-old civil war and he called on congress to expand effort to train and arm moderate syrian rebels which are being carried out by the cia on a much smaller scale. >> america will lead a broad coalition to roll back this terrorist threat. our objective is clear. we wi'll do grade and ultimatel destroy isil through a counter terrorism strategy. we will conduct air strikes against these terrorists. we will increase our support to forces fighting on the ground. >> president obama ordered 475 more troops to iraq, bringing the total number of boots on the

ground to about 1600. but obama emphasized the sustained military campaign against isis would be different in the recent invasions of iraq and afghanistan which put tens of thousands of u.s. troops on the battlefield and killed nearly 7,000 american servicemen and women. >> it will not involve american combat troops fighting on foreign soil. this counterterrorism campaign will be waged through a steady, relentless effort to take out isil wherever they exist using our air power and our support for partner forces on the ground. this strategy of taking out terrorists who threaten us while supporting partners on the front lines is one we have successfully pursued in yemen and somalia for years. >> the sustained military campaign that obama is expanding has eclipsed the secretive air strikes in sew pal la yands yemen according to the war journal. in the last year alone there have been 150 air strikes in

iraq, far exceeding up to nine strikes in somalia and 100 suspected drone, missile or other air strikes in yemen since obama took office, even amid a war wary public support they say they support air strikes while 34% support air strikes and combat troops. that's three out of four americans who agree with obama or who want him to do even more militarily against isis. only 15% say military action should not be taken. how sure can we be this time our foray into the middle east will be different, this time we'll do feet our enemies without creating new ones or creating more chaos in the region. joining me now, today's panel, eleanor cliff from "the daily bees" and "daily beast" columnist jonathan peltier and host of the slate podcast not a daily beast person. i want to start with sort of the freshest piece of news that kind

of came yesterday and i think frames how we think about this is, do you call this a war or not? that is -- the president had been avoiding using that terminology. secretary of state john kerry on thursday saying, quote, war is the wrong terminology but at the white house yesterday, josh earnest the spokesman had this to say. >> the united states is at war with isil in the same way that we are at war with al qaeda and its al qaeda affiliates around the globe. in the same way that united states is at war with al qaeda and affiliate and its affiliates around the globe, the united states is at war with isil. and so in the same way that we are at war with al qaeda and its affiliates around the globe we are at war with isil. >> so yet, he's using the word war but qualifying it and saying this is the same way it's al qaeda, same way it's not necessarily a conventional war that you might think of. they're trying to create a distinction there. why the white house did embrace

the term war, granted with the qualifiers, why did the white house sort of change its tune on that yesterday? >> in the president's speech he talked about it as a counterterrorism operation and, you know, i do think they're responding to a yearning from the american public, which is reflected in that poll you cited where three out of four want war action, they don't counter" terrori terrorist does not have the same ring as war with. it's going to be difficult to explain these differences. conventional war, you think of hundreds of thousands of troops. that's not what this is. as you pointed out, a handful of drone strikes and a handful of strikes in yemen and somalia are in a much smaller scale of what he envisioned. i think they're going to get into dangerous territory if they start, you know, using war as a ubiquitous term. >> jonathan, is there any -- does this have anything to do with the response from the

speech wednesday night, about 48 hours, a little more to digest it n terms of coming out and saying war two days later. i'm curious what happened between wednesday and friday? >> i don't know, but i think that the thinking that the president has expressed over many years is is that we need to be very careful that the world doesn't see this as a war on islam. and so he was very careful in the 2008 campaign and moving forward to talk about this as not, you know, a war on terror. he hated that term from the bush years. but a war against al qaeda. he was willing to say that. >> right. and he drew a distinction in the speech wednesday saying isis is not islamic. >> that is why he didn't want to go with a lot of war language in the speech, but now i think they're just going to call a spade a spade. it's a war. it's going to go on for many years in a relative low intensity way.

this, you know, is the world as it really is, not as barack obama wanted. he tried to -- and he wanted his legacy, steve, to be ending two wars. when he went into politics, that's what he thought was going to be his historical calling. >> this is -- >> ended two wars. instead, history dealt him a different hand and he's going to leave office presiding over what has to be called a war. >> he becomes the fourth president to authorize -- fourth consecutive president to authorize military action? iraq. that distinctship, calling it a war, this is a low-intensity war, does that matter to the american people that you do that? >> i think it matters a little to the american people. sometimes in politics we engage in quantitative lexgraphy. how many times did he use the word islamic. to distinguish yourself conservatives are generally in favor of what he's doing. you still have to puff up your chest and show i'm stronger against terrorism, i own this issue more than the president.

he didn't say war. he doesn't understand the fight. it's not true. whether you call it a war or counterterrorism will not divert one bomb, not retrain o one fighter. the difference is, i think, that exactly what jonathan said. this is a guy whose ambitions for whatever, his proactive ambitions for the world, have been entirely hemmed by circumstances. he used the grandeur of his office, spoke from the white house with the flag positioned to show arrows on the eagle's crest and not the olive branches, i mean which is, of course, entirely done, and he did this -- he is the guy who came in saying i'm not against all wars, i'm against stupid wars and he wouldn't define this as a stupid war but there's nothing he could do proactively because al qaeda keeps popping up. at a time when 98% of economists said the economy will be better in the next quarter than the last quarter, it seems like he's solving that. here comes al qaeda, this middle east dram ma and what can he do except respond instead of act. >> i wonder, we put the polling

numbers out there. it's shocking in a way when you think of this country and how much iraq fatigue, how much afghanistan fatigue there was in this country for ten years of war and put that up there and 40% support what obama laid out the other night, 34% are saying let's do more than that. i wonder again, we get into the experiences so many times, there have been instances where intervention has worked, there are successful intervention stories, there are instances where intervention has turned into something of a nightmare for us. i wonder how long you think that support lasts when we're talking about something that's going to be happening for years now. how long do you think that support holds up? >> if you're going to call this a war this is a war without end. i don't see terrorism which is a tactic and which is also exacerbated by the media age, there's a romanticism about people fighting for jihad, and so you have this clamor for how long is this going to last. is this going to last beyond president obama's term. this is going to last into the future, forever.

and to call it a war, it's a war that is then unwinnable. i think people are going to go up and down in their response, depending on whether we're seen as successful. if jonathan is right, this is low intensity, it will fade from the front pages, that would probably be the best to expect. but those two beheadings galvanized the american public. the people trapped on the mountaintop when the president first started this intervention did not move people's opinion. people still thought we should stay out. >> it was the americans -- >> the beheadings of two american journalists really changed. >> you think about a year ago, a little more than a year ago, the gassings in syria and the president saying he wanted to do air strikes and we never got the congressional vote on that but if there had been a congressional vote it looked like it was going to go down because the american people didn't want that. i guess it does raise one of the questions here, one of the potential downsides to this, does more u.s. intervention, does heaviers u.s. involvement end up leading to more

beheadings? >> it clearly will lead to radicalizing those who have been hit by errant u.s. bombs, which is inevitable in any kind of bombing campaign. it's a balancing test. on the one hand, you could be causing recruitment of new terrorists. on the other hand, you cannot allow a 13th, 12th, 11th century caliphate to be established in the middle east. it's just not permissible in the world. in some ways this is kind of a phony debate because, you know, if you have any sense of responsibility about the world, you have to intervene against pure evil. this is worse than al qaeda. this is not al qaeda. this is al qaeda -- >> this is the group that al qaeda didn't want anything to do with. >> al qaeda believes these guys are too extreme. that's what al qaeda is saying. what's happened in the last few weeks is that the american

people have, you know, in a very responsible way, have taken a look at pure evil, which is what isil is, and said in the same way we couldn't allow the spreading of pure evil when it was the nazis, we have to step in here, many i think prudently say, with air strikes, ground troops would be very counterproductive. >> that becomes the question. >> air strikes -- it will become whack a mol. it's the case for whack a mole which when -- when clinton was president clinton did a lot of this. they were enforcing no-fly zone, they were bombing terrorist training camps, in some ways it's back to that. we're back to what happened 100 years ago when we intervened repeatedly in central american. most of the american people didn't notice. >> the ish somehow, though, is the idea behind air strikes in this situation, we don't want ground troops, we don't want -- we keep saying u.s. boots on the ground. we want to give room for the free syrian army to take back

territory. what if the air strikes don't give them that room, what if they're unable to take back territory from isis and syria. that's a question we might have to deal with. >> obama is focused on what they call mission creep. this is not going to happen by accident. >> no. but that presents a dilemma right now because that idea of we want to do something and we don't want ground troops f those things are forced into more tension that's the question -- one of the questions going forward. >> up next, new allegations of abuse by -- about -- from a current nfl player. the alleged victim is his own 4-year-old son. stay with us. dad, i know i haven't said this often enough, but thank you. thank you mom for protecting my future. thank you for being my hero and my dad. military families are uniquely thankful for many things, the legacy of usaa auto insurance could be one of them. if you're a current or former military member or their family, get an auto insurance quote and see why 92% of our members plan to stay for life.

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there are troubling new allegations this morning of abuse by an nfl player. minnesota vikings running back adrian peterson was indicted last night on a charge of injury to a child.

peterson turned himself in to the montgomery jail near houston, texas, overnight. the local cbs station in houston reports that law enforcement sources have told them that peterson beat his 4-year-old son with a tree branch as a form of punishment this summer. and that beating allegedly resulted in multiple injuries to the child, cuts and bruises on his back, ankles, legs and other parts of the body. the child's hands were wounded when he tried to defend himself. nbc news has not verified the station's report. peterson's lawyer says the charge involves peterson using a switch to spank his son and that peterson is cooperating with authorities. quote, adrian is a loving father who used his judgment as a parent to discipline his son. he used the same kind of discipline with his child that he experienced as a child growing up in east texas. adrian has never hidden from what happened. he has cooperated fully with authorities, voluntarily testified before the grand jury for several hours. it is important to remember that adrian never intended to harm his son.

he deeply regrets the unintentional injury. the vikings announced that peterson will not be playing in sunday's game against the new england patriots. peterson was in the news two years ago when another of his sons died, the victim of alleged abuse by his mother's boyfriend. peterson indictment comes amid a national conversation by domestic violence by nfl players and how the league investigates those allegations. the nfl suspended baltimore ravens running back ray rice indefinitely this week after video surfaced of rice punching the woman who's now his wife in an elevator in an atlantic city hotel. he knocked her unconscious and rice was initially suspended for two games as a result. this week, the nfl made it official, rice is now suspended indefinitely. the question of why the nfl didn't pursue a tougher punishment against ray rice the first time is at the heart of why this story has become a national conversation. sources close to rice tell nbc news that rice told them, he informed roger goodell back in june he had, in fact, punched his future wife. on tuesday, roger goodell had

said in an interview with cbs news until the videos emerged there was ambiguity on what happened. he couldn't act on what he didn't know. about the videos the ap reports an up identified law enforcement official says he sent the tape taken inside that elevator ha shows rice punching his fiancee say to an nfl executive back in april in an unofficial capacity. he played a voicemail recording from the ap to an nfl phone number in which the female voice confirms the tape award. the nfl says it is unaware of any tape being delivered. commissioner goodell said he didn't see the punch until this week. we don't know if goodell saw it. it's plausible he didn't. the potential shelling of the tape in the league's office does raise questions about how seriously the nfl was treating the investigation. "the wall street journa journal" reported that one unnamed nfl owner told them that roger goodell didn't pursue the investigation all that vigorously because he thought it

would be insensitive to question ray rice's wife. investigation into the investigation is now in the hands of a professional, the league has hired former fbi director robert mueller to more on what happened, how it happened and what should have happened, and what happens next, as well as the peterson indictment, still at the table with us, eleanor clift of "the daily beast," jonathan alter and mike pesca host of the slate podcast the gist. this is -- people are still figuring out the details here. a 4-year-old child apparently was playing with others and knocked a kid off a bike and adrian peterson took him out in the yard and grabbed a branch from a tree, he calls it a switch, had the kid pull his pann pants down and inflicted quite a few wounds op him and he thinks it's in the name of good parenting. the mother of the child thinks otherwise. that's how this became a legal story. the thing on top of this, there's this incident with a child i guess he didn't know he had, who was killed by child abuse a year or two ago.

>> right. >> same guy. >> a couple -- so the abuser in that case is facing charges. last year they asked adrian peterson how could he play knowing this about your child he was seen as a sympathetic figure but didn't know about his child who died until a few months before he died. in this situation, adrian peterson, prosecutors will not charge if -- i talked to a prosecutor yesterday they will not charge based on a spanking or switch. as soon as you start breaking skin and read that report the wounds on the genitals, stuffed leaves in his mouth, you always get a charge. rusty harden who got roger clemens off trying to preappeal to a possible east texas jury or lay the groundwork framing this he had this happen to him and this is what we do in texas. if you have those kinds of wounds that is a no-brainer you must be charged. they talked to the kid, daddy has a lot of belt buckles and likes to use them. roger goodell again has to decide about his role of judge,

jury and executioner. he has said i am the law in the nfl. and he got so many played its for it because he came down hard and one time he didn't come down hard on ray rice was a horrible miscarriage of justice. i don't know. maybe he thinks the answer is, i have to come down hard on adrian peterson, let the legal process play out. i think the answer is, he should get out of that business and have actual process with how you punish. laying a lot out there, the side issue did he see the tape, didn't he see the tape, if he's lying about that could be a firing offense. even if not, like a false narrative. he didn't have to see that tape to have read through decent justice in the ray rice case. >> he had already -- before this tape came to light, there was initially the two-game suspension and he said before this tape came to life he made a mistake, he shouldn't -- he revised the policy so now again even before all this happened, it's an automatic six-game suspension instead of a two-game

suspension and could be a lifetime ban. i saw a number of headlines this week, from "the daily beast," this week said the nfl is full of ray rices. basically making the argument here's an argument, greg hardy is a defensive lineman in the carolina panthers found guilty this summer of assaulting and threatening to kill an ex-girlfriend. he was found guilty in may. it happened in may. found guilty this summer. he played last week. no suspension of him at all. >> he's appaealing and saying we're waiting for the appeal. people are making a mistake saying that nfl tried to do what they could as best. no. the nfl interviewed janay palmer in a room with her abuser. the information he got from her saying oh, it was my fault, anyone who knows anything about domestic abuse would say you can't do that. roger goodell talked about well, i think if i punish ray rice too harshly i would be insulting janay palmer. backwards on issue of groups and got women's groups and the

women's groups educated him. froms this point on i'm going to be better about this. last year, jovan belcher of the chiefs killed his girlfriend. why are we having this discussion this year? why are we excusing the ignorance up to the ray rice point. why don't we say how can you be so backwards, you roger goodell, with your $44.2 million salary, don't you have the resources to do this before it becomes a crisis? >> eleanor, i'm curious, watching this unfold this week, i know we've seen a number of lawmakers in washington, a number of fee mail senators coming out, looking for a zero tolerance policy, looking at sort of the prominent role the nfl plays in our culture, looms large over it, such a powerful organization, and to have what seems to be a blind spot when it comes -- again we talk about ray rice, but it's not just ray rice. seems there's a broader cultural problem in the league here. >> americans love football. i must admit i pay casual attention to football. i think it's a violent sport and it appears that people don't

always turn off that violence when they leave the football field. to me, the shocking thing was understanding how much money is involved in the nfl football. it's billions upon billions, like another government in our midst and the salary that roger goodell makes -- >> that's shocking. $44 million. >> what does he do for that? what he does is he protects the owners and he tries to produce winners and it's all about winning. they're willing to overlook anything in order to keep these guys on the field. i mean i have some sympathy for ray rice's wife because i, you know, i don't know what goes on in their marriage, but she feels like this is something in the past and she feels like this band-aid has been pulled off and she's been wounded in the eyes of the public. so i do -- i do think this is far more complicated than just, you know, how do we punish these guys. there are layers upon layers of complexity. why people stay in abusive relations, why they leave.

i'm not eager to judge, but i do think that there needs to be greater responsibility on the part of the league, not to ignore what is happening under their eyes and condoning this kind of behavior, because that in effect is what they're doing. >> like i said -- that's the thing -- >> the 20th anniversary of the women against violence act, this is kind of a nice parallel there. >> that's the thing, again reading this week that jumped out at me, the ray rice issue itself saying two games wasn't enough and what happens with him now but there's a much broader issue. these things apparently happen with an alarming amount of frequency and don't get any attention at all, pain that will change, but still ahead we will talk more about the fate of roger goodell. first, will congress support president obama's plan to combat isis? does it even matter? will there be a vote. that's the big question and that's next. d this is our chex . there's lots of choices and each of us has a favorite. like chocolate, honey nut and cinnamon.

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but i believe we are strongest as a nation when the president and congress work together. so i welcome congressional s support for this effort in order to show the world americans are united in confronting this danger. >> president obama has made it clear he does not believe that he needs congressional approval to pursue his plans to combat isis, but should he pursue it? would congress give it to him anyway. before the president's speech there were members forcefully calling for a vote like democrat brad sherman of california. >> we ask our pilots to do their job, we in congress should do ours, let's consider a war powers act resolution, let's take the tough vote. >> then on wednesday, the president made his address, request help from congress, but not their permission. how did congress react to that? the next day we saw a rare agreement between congressional leaders. >> i do believe that what the president has asked for, as the commander in chief, is this

authority to train these syrian rebels and frankly we ought to give the president what he's asking for. >> yes, i do believe congress has a role. what i did say, though, was what the president is doing now, i think he has the legal authority to do. >> so will congress actually vote on this and if they do, what will happen and will it make any difference? joining mes to discuss is nbc news capitol hill producer frank thorp. thanks for joinings us this morning. so i -- i'm curious, we heard a number of members of congress, we played brad sherman there, making the case for congress voting on this, every time i've seen a member of congress cornered by somebody in the media this week and asked about this the response seems to come back i think we should vote. how sincere is that sentiment versus how much is it -- member of congress says they want to vote and the leadership doesn't make them vote and everybody kind of wins. >> there's two different issues here because i think that president obama actually asks for the congress to vote on an authorization to allow him to

train moderate syrian opposition -- >> yeah. we should make the distinction. the training and the support for the free syrian army is one thing, but on the issue of saying anywhere in iraq you can go after isis now, the war ebs tends to anywhere in iraq and potentially syria. he's saying i don't need it. >> right. and he reiterated that in briefings. administration officials were on the hill this week briefing all of the members of the house, all the senators, and they explained that they think they have the authorization to do this. but there's a -- calls on both sides of the aisle in both chambers of congress saying that they should weigh in on this at some point in time and so -- but i don't anticipate that vote being before they leave for november elections. there are some in the progressive caucus who say they should vote on this before they leave, the aclu has encouraged memberers do that as well. what you're going to see is next week this vote on this or authorization to train these

moderate syrian opposition but you're not going to see a vote to authorize military force. that would likely come in -- after the november elections. >> what is the -- because there's a certain argument on timing here when you get into the war powers act and the 60-day window and then back in august that the president first announced, you know, the air strikes against isis back when it was the incident going on, to protect erbil. the clock on that if you started the clock ticking there, would only get you to about october 7th, october 8th and then that 60-day window would expire. you're saying until not after the election would there be a vote on this. would a vote matter at that point? >> this kind of goes into a much broader debate about whether or not the authorization for using military force from 2001 and 2002 applies to this military campaign. and i think that that's a longer debate. they need more time for that. they want to have more briefings, more congressional hearings, and so i think that they're kind of up against the wall here. granted, they could stay in town

for longer. they're going to be out of town for almost two months until november 12th if they are to pass a cr this next week and leave town at the end of the week until the november elections, but i mean, i think that a lot of members want to get on record about whether or not they support these military actions, but they don't want to necessarily right before the november elections on a broader campaign. they feel like they can vote on this authorization to train the moderate syrian opposition and that's kind of getting at least a little bit on the record before they leave for the elections. >> all right. my thanks to nbc news capitol hill producer frank thorp. i appreciate you taking a few minutes this morning. up next, a look inside the nfl's hierarchy and what it means for those in charge of the league. that's when we return. nolds? no. not exactly. to attain success, one must project success. that's why we use fedex one rate. their flat rate shipping. exactly. it makes us look top-notch but we know it's affordable. [ garage door opening ]

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insistence he'll ignore the calls for him to go. resignation is not a consideration a source close to roger goodell tells "the washington post." anothers source says there is, quote, no chance that goodell will resign and people who gave him the job in the first place appear to agree. the owners of the 32 teams in the nfl. they elected goodell and unless goodell decides to leave the front office by choice, the decision on whether he stays or goes is theirs. for now, though say they are sticking with goodell until former fbi director robert mueller completes his investigation of the investigation. according to the "washington post," several executives with nfl teams expressed the view thursday that the media and others are focusing wrongly on the potential missteps by goodell rather than on the misconduct of rice. quoting one of the executives for that article he's been a very good commissionser and done great things for the league. the presumion he's telling the truth and the investigation will demonstrate that. we'll go by their report generated by mueller's

investigation. if the report says something different we'll take appropriate action. joining me are nbc news national correspondent peter alexander and mike fleeman, an nfl columnist for bleacher report. peter, i was watching the ravens/steelers game, an interview with steve ba shotty before the game, the question of goodell resingh or raised he couldn't shoot it down fast enough, i believe roger when he says he never saw it. somebody was negligent in not getting that to roger. i've known roger 14 years. he's dedicated his life to an nfl. as a man i can't believe he saw that video and gave it a two-game suspensionp. that's what makes it hard to believe. is that the consensus view of owners? >> put this big picture in front of folks. goodell's credibility has been called into question and it's likely in most places where you and i work if someone had overseen some situation like this, that there would be heads that roll, right.

this is not a publicly traded company. basically 32 billionaire owners will decide the fate of roger goodell. one thing to keep an eye on we didn't focus on over the course of that -- this past week is the fact that one of the sort of low-grade franchises in the league, the buffalo bills, sold for $1.4 billion. consider that right now. i've met a lot of -- i bet a lot of other owners in the league were paying close attention to that as well. there's a bottom line at stake here. goodell has helped these owners make a lot of money over the course of i guess since 2006 and most of them, he has earned a lot of goodwill in the words of one individual i spoke to who has close ties to the league, the two individuals who are going to be overseeing it, the two owners, art rooney and john mayer ra are viewed as the paragones of virtue, think they're doing this in the most above board way they can, but it doesn't seem in the eyes of most getting rid of roger goodell is wait to go. >> rooney with the steelers,

mara with the giants, two owners particularly close to roger goodell. >> very close. >> the idea of having them in this investigation is not reporting to goodell themselves but to someone in the league. it does raise questions about the objectivity here. in terms of what it would take to get these owners to move against roger goodell. we talk about the money they make from it. the nfl is taking a hit in terms of its image with the ray rice thing, adrian peterson this morning, taking a hit right here. at what point do owners start to say, you know, it would help our bottom line and image if we make a statement here -- >> sponsorships. >> that's a great question and i think the answer right now is, when you start to see the league take a hit to its brand, that hasn't happened yet, the nfl is like as cruise ship and when things happen to it, it takes a while for it to sort of change course and knows where it's going. we're still very early, but the owners that i've talked to, one in particular said, there's no way right now they're going to get rid of him but they're going to wait and see.

i think they're in a wait and see mode. peter hit on something really big. the owners love roger goodell. it's almost to an owner. there are few owners who do not like him. they really love him. >> personal relationship ps. >> personal relationships. the bigger issue is the money. this league has undergone a transformation in terms of making money. i've been covering it for 25 years. i've never seen before. haven't seen in the history of sports before. they're making so much money right now they're going to be hesitant to get rid of him at all in any point. >> go ahead, peter. >> i was going to say, mike makes good points there. the gist is, the bottom line matters here. we haven't heard any of the blue chips sponsors, these massive sponsors of the league, say i'm out. in the paula deen case, for example, that was a smaller brand than the nfl, sponsors ditched her after her insensitive to say the least remarks she had in that racially charged case a while backp. here the responsers are standing by the league. they have said they will not accept domestic violence, that

it must be responded to appropriately. but they say they are sort of basically taking a wait and see mode and they trust that league will handle this appropriately. one other thing to consider, some saying goodell should resign. roger goodell makes $44 million a year. that's what he made last year. that is twice what the highest paid nfl player makes this year. that's aaron rodgers at $22 million. your commissioner makes double the biggest marquee player in the game. >> as i said, that number shocked me. in terms of this investigation, mike, do we have any sense how long it's going to take. >> from what i'm hearing, maybe a couple months. though i don't know why it would take that long. it seems to be pretty straight cut and dry about what you're looking for. they're going to take their time with this. they're going to be as thorough as possible. they want to make sure that -- because there's going to be accusations of a coverup, the two owners overseeing it are two of his best friends, that the fbi -- former director is in charge of it has ties to the

nfl, they're going to make sure that appearance of this is straight, as perfect as possible. they don't want that. >> do you think it's -- do you have -- there's two ways of looking at this. we say sort of conspiracy torl sin ter angle, these are buddies overseeing it, not going to let anything knock him off his perch here. robert mueller has a reputation that he has to protect and look out. if he's part of any cover-up he destroys his reputation. what's your level of confidence in terms of this investigation? >> i'm one of the few people that thinks this investigation can be straight up and be pretty honest because of what you said. his credibility. actually the nfl with these special prosecutors and investigators, the last two, have been pretty good. the bounty gate case, where the saints were accused of coaches paying players that injure other players, they appointed a former commissioner paul tag gly but looked into that and he hammered goodell in his final report. in the case of the miami dolphins they hired another special investigator and he

hammered the dolphins. they've been solid and i don't see a former fbi director just soiling his reputation for -- to be pals with owners. i don't see that. so i'm actually one of the few people that thinks this can work. >> it sounds like -- in terms of goodell and so many other issues but in terms of goodell's fate, that's the ball game right now. wheres this investigation goes, how that turns out. thanks to mike freeman from bleacher report, peter alexander, appreciate you getting up this morning. tomorrow morning we will be joined by the woman that the nfl commissioner phoned for advice just a few days after he announced he was suspending ray rice. she is kim gandsy president of the national network to end domestic violence. goodell and gandsy spoke for an hour, he asked questions like what is domestic violence, good work place policy for an nfl employee look like, we will ask her about her conversation with roger goodell on tomorrow morning's "up" and we'll be right back. woooo. i know what you're thinking. you're thinking beneful. [announcer]and why wouldn't he be?

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we're going to change gears at the end of the hour because we did want to share a lighter -- i don't know if lighter is the right word -- but a different news story. former south carolina governor turned current congressman mark sanford has unloaded a kind of facebook post you might find annoying if a friend posted it on your feed. there is news buried in his 2,346 word post that went live yesterday. he announced his engagement to his argentinian fiancee is over. the post is devoted to his difficult relationship with his estranged wife. see it scrolling on your screen there. imagine quite a thing to read. last week jenny sanford, ex-wife, demanded congressman sanford undergo a psychiatric evaluation and complete anger management and parenting classes. not long before sanford posted his message he filed a motion requesting a gag order against his ex-wife. if it seems weird to have sanford be disclosing too much on facebook, more personal

information than you might be comfortable with, you can always think back to the 2009 press conference which he revealed his relationship with the mistress he had snuck off to argentina to see. remember him trying to explain that as he was actually -- his claim he had been on a hike on the appalachian trail, discussing his life of taking adventure trips to unwind. sanford appears to have a history of running off on a tangent. joining us mike pesca, eleanor clift, jonathan altar. when you think mark sanned for is done surprising back to being sort of a congressman and politician again, you turn on the computer and see something like this. i don't want to make fun of the guy or anything -- >> why not? >> it's unusual to see, you know -- i feel bad. he shares so much, so obviously -- >> why do you feel bad? this is tmi. overshare territory. >> it's like he can't help himself. sort of like talking with his heart here and he's in love. >> jorngs i don't know -- >> jonathan rejected his friend

request on facebook. >> you can block people from your feed without unfriending them. like the mute button on twitter. >> like a heart-sick teenager. >> that's what i mean. >> he does have four sons and you wonder the impact on them and so you wonder why he would choose this particular forum. looks like a legal fight with his wife. >> right. >> i don't know who he's going to gain sympathy from. now i want to hear from the ex-fiancee. >> you do? i don't. >> did she just learn about this? >> right. >> was this his way of telling her? i don't know. >> the post does not make clear. there had been a profile, i think "the new york times" magazine, not long ago, mark sanford had come back and won election to the house last year and the profile talked about how this fiancee was starting to make appearances with him in public and, of course, when you're in the south, when you're in the republican parts of the south, these are particularly sensitive issues when it comes to leaving your wife and sort of

taking up with somebody else. it doesn't make clear in the post if the engagement is off, are they still together and this is postponed or anything like that. >> a lot of things not clear in the post. he kind of got lost on an appalachian trail of verbiage, written like a novel. odd phrasing. that's kind of refreshing thing. it's so clearly a part from being handled and being managed, message management, this is just this guy letting it out there. invalidating his career in the process. >> you would have thought that happened in 2009, right. and then he's back. >> right. southern -- the southern values that you just remarked upon and how they feel about family and marriage and all of that, being a democrat i suppose is worse than violating all -- >> apparently. >> supported him. >> those southern values if you look at divorce rates and that kind of thing, they are much higher in many of these areas. i don't know about his district in particular, but a tremendous amount of hypocrisy in people's

reactions to these things, although even the voters of south carolina no longer seem to care much about any of this. it didn't hurt him. he had a spirited opponent in the last election, stephen colbert's sister. >> right. >> and she ran a good campaign. >> no. as they say, to me it comes back to we see so many politicians who get caught in extramarital affairs or something, but he was very straightforward, been very straightforward about the feelings that are sort of pushing through. i don't know. i've said too much on the internet sometimes about my feelings before. maybe i have a soft spot. i want to thank "the daily beast's" eleanor dlifts and jonathan, and mike pesca, thanks for joinings us. what president obama is saying this morning about his plans to defeat isis, next.

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threatened the united states and if left unchecked, these terrorists could pose a growing threat beyond the middle east, including to the united states. so we're staying vigilant and we're moving ahead with our strategy to degrade and ultimately destroy this terrorist organization. >> that's president obama this morning in his weekly address reinforcing his strategy to, as he puts it, degrade and ultimately destroy isis. as he calls the terrorist group isil. the ambitious plan. straight ahead we will examine the question of whether it will work, whether it can work. that's next. i am so nervous right now, it's not even funny. oh my gosh... driver 1 you ready? yeah! go! [sfx] roaring altima engine woah! ahhhha!

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>> this is not our fight alone. american power can make a decisive difference, but we cannot do for iraqis what they must do for themselves. nor can we take the place of arab partners in securing their region. >> saudi arabia has offered to provide a base to train syrian rebels battling isis. ten arab states join the u.s. in issuing a communique on thursday pledging to work together to curtail isis with the agreement provided few specifics. the support of arab nations described as only tepid. in a bitter twist the arab government most eager to combat isis is syria. led by the dictator bashar al ass assad. he's eager for assistance in toppling what is his regime's biggest threat isis. the president's second serious speech in a row on september 10th, one year to the day after outlining to congress his plans to help fight against the government of syria's bashar al assad. that's part of the complicated

power struggle the u.s. faces in securing regional allies to combat allies. another plank is to provide more traing and arms for moderate syrian rebels that presents a difficult balancing act. "the new york times" points out the u.s. is depending on a diverse group driven by infighting with no shared leadership and with hardline islamists as its most effective fighters. even the more secular forces have turned to islamists for support and weapons over the years in the remaining moderate rebels fight alongside extremists like the nous ra front, al qaeda's affiliate in syria. found that isis now has anti-tank weapons that were likely owned by moderate syrian rebels. can obama's plan to defeat isis work. joining me now to discuss, president obama's plan stephen hadley former national security adviser to president george w.

bush and sandy burger security adviser to president clinton. thank you for joining us. sandy, let me start with you, that basic question to degrade and destroy isis, the idea of destroying, just defeating isis, so it doesn't exist anymore. realsistically is that possible? >> it's not possible in the sense that you're going to eliminate every member of isis and obviously it's a dynamic organization. i think defeating means eliminating their ability to really be a threat to the region and to ourselves. shrinking the area in which they have control, diminishing their leadership, and in my view, strengthening the indigenous local forces sufficiently that we would have much less of a role. >> steven, let me ask you, because obviously, you know, the

bush administration alum and people think of the middle east and the bush administration, and obviously it's the iraq war. in one of the stories of the iraq war, you have a strong feeling of how it turned out ultimately that might be different from other people, but one of the lessons from the iraq war we can agree on a lot of things happened after the invasion that maybe we didn't necessarily expect to happen before the invasion and i wonder when you look at what -- what's being outlined the new strategy of the united states, what are some of the risks that you see that maybe we don't fully appreciate right now? >> well, i think one of the risks is to think this is all going to be done in a day. this has been a long time building. it's going to take a long time to unravel it. it's going to take a long time for us to degrade and defeat isis and we've got to sort of do it in an incremental steps. first step is in iraq and it is in iraq because in order to defeat isis you need people on the ground willing to fight them and those at this point are

largely in iraq, iraqi security forces, the peshmerga and the sunni tribes. that's where this is going to start in iraq and we're going to work to sort of set them back. at the same time, through air power, the president made clear we'll degrade them in syria, we will train forces that are willing to engage them in syria, but that's going to take a long time and that's going to phase in gradually. so we're going to be at this for a long period of time and we're going to have to adapt as we go. one of the things i think is already clear is that we're going to need to put in special forces, begin in iraq if this is going to be effective. so we're going to be at it for a while. we have to recognize it's going to be at it for a while and we're going to have to make adjustments as we go. >> i'm curious, there's two pieces here as you say. let's look at iraq, for instance. one of the stories of iraq, obviously is this age old sunni versus shia conflict. the idea that the maliki government that came into place was seen by the sunni population

of doing the bidding violently doing the bidding of the shia population. is really the challenge here that we're talking about, when you talk about the iraqi army, talk about sort of uniting these forces we're talking about uniting the sunnis and shias which is something history tells us is awfully hard to do. >> but we did it in 2007 and 2008. that's what the surge was all about. iraq was teetering on sectarian war, change of strategy, additional forces by the end of the time, 2008/2009, violence was as sandy suggested degraded to the point where al qaeda in iraq could be managed at a low level of violence. we've done this before. the problem is, that the good work that was done in with 2007, 2008, 2009, and 2010 was undone by the violence in syria allowed to get out of control and the bad policies of maliki. we've done this once before in iraq and the president was right to insist on a unity government

which sunni, shia and kurds would work together for the future and we've got to try to help them again now get back to where they were in 2007, 2008, against an enemy that is actually much more formidable and challenging than was al qaeda in iraq in the 2007/2008 period. >> and sandy, let me ask you about the other piece of that, in syria, and sort of what i think is one of the big what ifs here. the idea of the strategy as it relates to syria, you have air strikes that sort of provide some cover. you have training and support for the free syrian army and the idea is free throw syrian army is able to go in and take back this territory from isis and get a real foothold in syria againp. it does raise the question what if that support, the trapg is not enough, and what if the air strikes are not enough. what if the free syrian army tries to reclaim its territory and fails. what then does the united states do? are we sucked into something much bigger and more expansive. >> well, answer two ways.

first of all i think steve is right. this is a long-term strategy. it will take a while to congeal the moderate syrian opposition to train them, to build them into some sort of a fighting force that could take over territory that we drive isil out of. in the meantime we are -- we will have air strikes. we will go after fixed target, go after things that are moving, we'll go after leadership targets in syria, and so we'll be degrading them during this period. so i think you have to look at the syria part of this as a long-term strategy. i would say one other thing, though, steve, to the what if. i mean you can what if this at every stage. what if the baghdad government doesn't come together. what if the arab coalition doesn't come together.

i think you have to look at this strategy in terms of the risks of action here versus the risk of inaction. for three years, the risks of inaction, for example, in syria, have prevailed over the risks of action. the president now has a strategy of action. it is a risky strategy. it's a challenging strategy. but we're moving forward. we're moving forward to try to push back isis, bring sunnis and shia together in a effort to drive them out and i think it's a far better position to be in than being on our back feet here. >> all right. i want to thank former national security adviser under president bush stephen hadley, former president security adviser under clinton. i want to turn to jim mcder month. thank you for joining us.

i want to pick up on that discussion we were having and listening to with what sandy burger was saying, saying we have seen the consequences of inaction for the last few years and that puts us in the position where the imperative now is to take action militarily along the lines of where the president outlined this week. do you their share that consensus over the last two years we've heard there? >> no i don't. i think one of the problems you have here is that people are still not analyzing this situation very carefully. where are the boots going to come from on the ground? mr. hadley says you're going to have more special ops people, green berets and what not. that means we're going to have casualties, we're going to have all the things that we've had in the past. the second thing that's wrong here is, the turks aren't in it, the saudis aren't in it, and you're having oil smuggling into turkey that is making money available to isis. you -- many of these issues are

people are playing both sides and you really have a situation where the president is going in essentially alone. you can have a few estone yans and bulgarians in this perhaps but you have not got the people on the ground because they have mixed loyalties and that's going to make this show that you're doing today, you can play this again in two years, you'll be playing the same show because we tried this idea, we tried it in vietnam, let's strengthen up the local people. we tried it when we did it early on with the awakening. that worked for a while, but ultimately, it doesn't because there are tensions here which we're not paying attention to. most of the leadership of this group are the military leaders that we threw out of the baathist army when we went in there, the first order that was given was, to disbanned the army. those people were very tough army and they're out there and

they've now joined up with isis, not because they like isis, they know it's a terrible, awful organization, but, you know, they're working for -- against a common enemy and they're going to use them. we still haven't figured out -- we have to do this diplomatically. >> if there were -- we had this discussion last hour. if there were a vote in congress right now on what the president laid out the other night would you be a no vote on that? >> i remain unconvinced at this point. i think that what i'm afraid of is that people are being sold the idea that you can win a war from 30,000 feet with drones and you cannot. an once you start putting feet on the ground, they're going to be american feet because the -- this is what happened to john kennedy, for heaven sakes in vietnam. you put in 50 and then 500 and then you put in 5,000 and pretty soon, you're back to where we were six months or two years ago

when we were about to withdraw. we had 100,000. we had to come down from. we -- we're going to get back dragged into this thing because we do not understand who is financing it, why they're financing it, where's the money coming from for all this? ask yourself that. this didn't happen because a bunch of guys were sitting out in the desert and said let's start something called isis. there was some money involved that made it possible for them to pay soldiers and to buy weapons and feed families and do all kinds of things and that's -- those are the issue not dealt with in this plan. >> your sense of your colleagues on capitol hill, again, there's two pieces here, there's the vote potentially looks like that's going to happen on training the free syrian army, also the separatists you have -- the rest of the strategy that the president outlined. let's talk about the rest of the strategy the president outlined. you gave us your opinion. is your sense, though, that your colleagues if the vote were put to them, would approve it or

oppose it at this point? >> i think it's very hard to tell. you have to say, chris, that this whole push to war is very much like the one we went through leading into iraq. and the events that really turned the tide in my view were the beheading of two journalists. those images are so powerful that people are very frightened of not responding to that kind of thing because the american people were frighted by it, they were terrified by looking at that and realizing these are people who do something like that, you have to do something about it. well, you got to be very careful how you jump in to say you're going to do something about it if you don't have the place ps in which to corner them. and they're out in the desert, they're going to go everywhere. they got their weapons when the iraqi army, which we have trained, threw down their arms and ran away. so they picked up their guns and

said gee, these are nice guns and away they went. that's going to happen with the syrian side. >> i want to thank congressman jim mcdermott from washington state. up next how can you claim victory even after losing an election? new york democrat has an idea about that and joins us. might have heard her in the news this week. straight ahead. ition...i'm no e. that would be my daughter -- hi dad. she's a dietitian. and back when i wasn't eating right, she got me drinking boost. it's got a great taste, and it helps give me the nutrition i was missing. helping me stay more like me. [ female announcer ] boost complete nutritional drink has 26 essential vitamins and minerals, including calcium and vitamin d to support strong bones and 10 grams of protein to help maintain muscle. all with a delicious taste. grandpa! [ female announcer ] stay strong, stay active with boost.

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professor named zephyr teachout. her county as you can see there are in green. so that's green for teachout and blue for cuomo. that is the sitting governor of the fourth largest state in america, a man who has millions of dollars in campaign cash, in universal name recognition in new york, running against a fordham professor who almost no one had heard of and yet that professor zephyr teachout actually won 30 counties according to count from the new york sometimes. you can see zephyr teachout's counties. some have a lot of land area and not as many people. when you look at the vote totals from last tuesday, cuomo's advantages are clear. he did win 62% of the vote while teachout got 34%. that is still the worst that a sitting new york governor has ever done in a primary. nearly four in ten voters in cuomo's own party decided to vote for someone else. >> the democrats of this great state have spoken and i will not

be your next governor. but the democrats of this state have been heard. >> the democrats who supported teachout made their voices heard with incredibly few resources. "the washington post" ran the numbers and figured out that cuomo spent more than $60 for every vote he received while teachout spent just $1.57. teachout couldn't afford expensive television ads, no debates, cuomo refused to pargs pate in those. cue mo re fused to acknowledge anyone was running against him. this is the scene at a parade a couple days before the prime pri. zephyr teachout trying to approach the governor and the governor doing his best to pretend he doesn't notice her. just a couple feet away from her. wouldn't shake her hand at that parade. so the fact that so many democrats still refuse to vote for cuomo, the incumbent governor, is a big story. it raises questions about andrew cuomo, his national aspirations. liberals have been upset for him

in their view being too friendly to wall street, too stingy with public unions and too cozy with republicans in the state legislature. their goal was to use this primary to deliver a message and a warning to any other democrat anywhere in the country not to govern like he's governed. there's also the issue of ethic, bombshell report over the summer detailed how cuomo and his team shut down an anti-corruption commission when it was starting to ask too many questions about allies of the governor. now cuomo for his part told "the new york times" on wednesday that he's, quote, happy happy happy with the result of the primary and he said that the democrats who voted against him represented interest groups he refused to cut deals with as governor. don't call them democrats or liberals, he said. this is no the about an ideology. it's about a transaction. needless to say, the liberals who back teachout are crowing about the result and touting its potential national implications. john cassidy wrote by thoroughly

embarrassing cuomo new york democrats didn't deliver a blow to whatever national aspirations he has. they signalled to other democrats hillary clinton included that the political center of gravity has shifted and a significant segment of democratic voters won't suffer gladly or return to the timid, pro corporate policies of the clinton years, which cuomo represents. so what now? where does andrew cuomo go from here, where does this leave the left and zephyr teachout, the woman who beat the sitting governor in new york in nearly half of its counties? she's here right now in our studio and she will be at this desk when we come back from the break and ask her all about it. she's coming up next. just give m the basics, you know. i got this. [thinking] is it that time? the son picks up the check? [thinking] i'm still working. he's retired. i hope he's saving. i hope he saved enough. who matters most to you says the most about you. at massmutual we're owned by our policyowners, and they matter most to us.

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>> so that was zephyr teachout, new york, governor's primary challenger in her concession speech tuesday night. she won, again, 30 counties, the counties in green on that map. joining me now to talk about her campaign former candidate for goner, author and law professor, zephyr teachout. welcome back. congratulations. a week ago we had you in the same seat and you were predicting big things for tuesday. i will say i was surprised at the margin you got, but to win such big chunks of the state, geographically, i think was -- i think surprised a lot of people. let me ask you this, i read there was a thing on twitter on election night you were having trouble connecting with the governor but apparently you did talk. >> we did. i don't think he was trying to keep the phone number away at that point. we had a nice, short conversation. and we talked about something that i think, you know, i care a lot about and he said we could work together on, winning back the democratic senate. >> that is the state state here in new york. >> right. >> i would have loved to win,

but i care about the same things now i did five days ago and in new york state i think what we showed is there's a lot of democratic passion in this state and we can win back the senate and if we can win back the senate we can get a lot of those things done. >> are you now supporting andrew cuomo for re-election this november? >> i haven't made any formal decision or announcement. you know, i still have concerns about andrew cuomo. i think actually in terms of real power, though, the focus has to be elsewhere because it's unlikely aster reno will win or anybody else. my focus is on power and practical results, like how do we get more school funding, how do we get a fracking ban, how do we get public financing in elections and the way we get that is a strong strong democratic senate. >> but see, on the issue of whether you're going to vote for andrew cuomo in the fall you don't know yet? >> that's right. >> okay. so you were saying, we were talking before the break and we played the video there, this has

happened right after you were here last saturday and a parade on fifth avenue, right outside the studio here and there's the clip of it again. you're just trying to say hello to the governor. this got a little viral attention. obviously he knows you're there. and he's pretending you're not there. you think this helped you? >> i do. you know, i think we had like 65,000 views on that video. but i think it sort of expressed something that people already felt which is here's somebody who's not paying attention to the democratic process and he thinks he can get away with it without any cost just by looking through me, treating me like the invisible woman. there's a cost. voters don't like that. i met a lot of voters including upstate where i won who said, wait, he wouldn't debate you, he wouldn't engage you. you have to debate, you have to engage and i hope this portends the end of candidates thinking they can do the rose garden strategy. >> that raises another question for me too, in the setup we had

john cassidy from "the new yorker" talking about this is a clear message from the left, role of corporate america and the democratic party but i do wonder, in terms of the message this result sends, how much of it do you think is a literal endorsement of your platform and how much is looking at cuomo and saying i've got problems with the ethics issues here or he wouldn't debate her, wouldn't shake her hand. i want to send that kind of a governor a message. >> i know that people came out because they were enthused about my message. actually, the pccc the progressionive change committee helped. people don't go out to vote on a tuesday with no other elections unless they're voting for something. there was another person in the race who got 4%, so there was more options if you just wanted to do a protest vote. you got 34% and got 60% in counties, 70%, and what they were responding to was, you know, i am a traditional democrat. i'm going to stick with that. i'm a progressive, populace, but let's own our roots and they

were responding to real crisis in terms of jobs. how andrew cuomo has been hurting schools. responding to also we got a lot of energy around the anti-big cable, big bank message. a lot of anger about concentration of power in the economic sector. but there's genuine excitement. that's what i want people to see. you can get people not just voting against this corporate turn and there's accountability here. i think we know now. but also for like let's return to our fdr roots and invest in ourselves. >> you're saying there's accountability here. andrew cuomo says he's happy happy happy with 60%. i think no incumbent politician anywhere is going to be happy with a result like that in a party primary. in terms of going forward. >> right. >> do you think he looks at this now, though, and says look i got through the primary, maybe it wasn't what i wanted but i got through it, running against a republican who the polls say i'm going to beat pretty convincingly, democrats may not be thrilled about me but not

going to vote for the republican so i'm through, i'm fine. do you think this changes the way he governs anyway or do you think he looks and says yeah, i didn't like the way that turned out but i'm past it? >> it changes new york politics. this is an important lesson for people everywhere. that there's this hunger for, you know, traditional democratic, unafraid politics. and if you do that, it changes the power dynamics. for one, you have to call on bill de blasio many times throughout this campaign and now bill de blasio. >> mayor of new york city was very helpful. >> he had to call on him at the end to come out. >> you say he owes de blasio now. >> we've changed the power dynamic. >> de blasio says you owe me, what does he get for that? >> i hope he gets more pre-k everywhere in the state, not just in the city. i hope we get a lot more commitment to actually the state paying its fair share on a funding for what cities need right now cities are taxed. you know, it's basically a progressive democratic message and andrew cuomo can't ignore

it. he had to call in so many favors. >> what's interesting, we had here last yeek asking about bill de blasio you were disappointed in him and weren't quite sure why he did what he did, now you see a bit of a strategy to what he was doing. >> i still think if de blasio had endorsed me and we were similar politically we could have gotten 45%. because i think the de blasio name carried an enormous amount of weight downstate. if you look at where we won and didn't, we won -- >> around new york city you actually did better, again you saw the map, that's what's surprised people. >> here's what's exciting to democrat ps in new york and elsewhere, if you combine my map with de blasio's map we got the state. so basically the state is progressive populace democrat. the state wants a return to, you know, getting away from trickle down democrats and, you know, i would have loved the whole map but together we got the state. >> all right. and you were -- i saw this, i got to say, the last time i worked on a political campaign i

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she'll make up for it by compete fog are a $50 jackpot today. say hello to betty nguyen. the host of "up against the clock" steve kornacki. >> thank you, jim cutler. thank you contestants. thank you to everyone at home for tuning in and welcome to a special all-star battle of the network stars edition of "up against the clock." very excited to have these television all stars with us. msnbc's the best of msnbc and nbc here with us this morning. let me remind you how it works. first-time players. alex witt played last season but dylan and betty, it is a fast paced political news and current events quiz. we will play three rounds. each will be 100 seconds long. we have 100 points on the first, 200 in the second, 300 in the third. it will get harder as we go along. ring in at any time but you will be penalized for wrong answers. so make sure to take that into account. >> they're all weather related. >> there may be one or two this

week. >> there are also i can tell you, some special bonus questions that are scattered from here. >> all right. >> we will explain them when they come up and our contestants will be playing not just for victory today but also for a chance to play in our tournament of champions at the end of the season. >> oh, good. >> so i will ask you -- >> the pressure is on. >> are you ready? >> yeah, i'm ready. >> look ready to me. hands on buzzers please. 100 point questions. 100 seconds on the clock. we will begin 100-point round with this. newt gingerich is encouraging republican ohio governor john casish to run for governor again. when he ran in 2000 who did he lose the nomination to? >> a republican? seriously. you want to ask this question. >> cold front. >> incorrect. we cannot accept that. >> call time. george w. bush. >> of course. >> wait. >> can i answer.

someone wrong. >> yes. >> you know that going forward. >> chicago sun times reported thursday illinois senator mark kirk is raising money suggesting to republicans he might be challenged in 2016 by this current white house occupant. >> barack obama? >> betty. >> michele obama. >> correct. >> wow. 100 points. >> what are you talking about. retiring senator tom harkens fund-raising steak fry will be held tomorrow headlined by this likely 2016 presidential candidate. >> hillary. >> hillary clinton is correct. alex might have had a story or two about that. 100 point question. on tuesday apple announced the launch of this wearable device. >> dylan. >> watch. >> the apple watch is correct. stopped the clock. good news for you, dylan, that is the video bonus trigger question because you answered it right you will have a chance to add an extra 100 points to your score. very simple.

asked a celebrity to read a quote. all yul have to do is identify who said the quote. a risk-free pop progs. extra 100 points, no penalty for guessing it wrong. direct your attention to the video monitor here is this week's celebrity question asker. >> hi. i'm judith, this week up against the clock note. which trail blazing 1972 presidential candidate and brooklyn congresswoman said, the emotional sexual and psychological stereotyping of females begins when the doctor says it's a girl? good luck. >> 1972? >> i was born in 1972. >> don't want to disappoint judith light. >> can i just go watch her show instead. >> shirley chisholm. >> but of course. >> of course. >> no penalty. that was a bonus. the clock starts moving again. 100 points. this coming wednesday three days after hillary clinton's iowa appearance, this 2016 potential 2016 democratic rival will

headline an iowa event with the group nouns on the bus. >> crickets, yeah. >> call time. joe biden. it's joe biden. >> oh. >> 100 point toss up new polls show greg orman the independent candidate running 1 point ahead of this incumbent kansas republican senator. last question of the round. any guesses? >> don't want to lose points. >> thought you were going to give me answers. >> pat roberts. pat roberts. that's the end of the 100-point round. tie with alex and betty, 100 points. dylan -- got back to zero there. >> cold front. >> cold front. >> with the cold front answer. cost you. got it back. we will move to the 200 point round. questions get a little harder but they are twice as valuable. can score a lot of points quickly here. put the 100 seconds on the clock and go with this. when the trump plaza hotel closes this coming tuesday, it will become the fourth casino to close this year in this east coast --

>> atlantic city. >> 200 points for dylan. >> 200 point bonus if you can tell us the weather. >> it's going to be raining. >> this european country will vote next week on whether to declare independence. >> scotland. >> scotland is correct. >> is my buzzer working? >> no. >> little quicker there. 200 point toss up. the ncaa reduced sanctions and declared this college's football -- >> betty. >> penn state. >> penn state is immediately eligible. stop the clock. excellent news, betty, that is our use it or lose it bonus question. you are going to have a chance to double what you just won. 200 extra points if you get this right. here is the twist. >> all right. >> it is -- if you are in incorrect you will lose the 200 points. this is a follow-up question, related to the one you just answered. do you want to use it or lose it? >> i want to -- do i have to use all my points? >> it's an all or nothing proppings. >> like 100. >> atlantic city style. >> okay. all or nothing.

let's do this. >> she's going to do it. for 200 extra points. >> make it easy. >> the recommendation to allow penn state to become immediately eligible to play in bowl games was made this week by this former democratic senate majority leader from maine who has been overseeing penn state's compliance. >> really? any guess? >> alex, your're supposed to hep me. >> use it or lose it. >> george mitchell. george mitchell. we'll take the 200 points. that's the chance you take on the use it or lose it bonus. pick up the clock with this. sotheby's set to auction off the art collection of bunny mellon the socialite and philanthropist who became famous late in life for her financial support of this disgraced presidential candidate. >> bunny mellon. >> what year? >> yeah, what year. >> 2004 and 2008. >> alex. >> bush -- >> you already said it. >> already said it. >> clinton.

>> incorrect. >> dylan. >> it's a penalty if you get it wrong. >> the correct answer john edwards. 200 point toss up. for the first time since the bureau of labor statistics started collecting the data in 1976, more american adults are now not what? alex. >> working? >> incorrect. >> betty. >> married. >> married is correct. there are more married than unmarried. >> finally back on the board. >> 200 point question. an actor who played the character mr. cannibal in an obscure 2013 horror movie was featured in an ad pulled this week by pennsylvania gubernatorial candidate tom wolf who is challenging this republican governor. >> what state? >> pennsylvania. time. it's tom corbett. the governor, the end of the round. we have let me see here, dylan in the lead 200 point round with 200 points. >> and now we raise the stakes because we go to the 300 point round.

the hardest questions we have but the most valble. >> they get harder. >> this is where we decide the champion. we will crown a champion. >> dimming the lights for dramatic effect. >> serious now. >> 100 seconds on the clock. here we go. 300 point question. leading roll call's ranking of the top 50 richest members of congress for the second year in row -- >> alex? >> issa. >> darrell issa. 300 points. she's in the lead. highlighting her support for gay marriage was released this week by republican monica webby who is challenging democratic senator jeff merkley in this west coast state. >> dylan. >> california? >> incorrect. >> arizona? >> sorry. >> alex? >> arizona. >> incorrect. >> i'm going to keep my money. >> oregon. oregon. 300 point question. according to court documents unsealed this week, the u.s. government threatened this web giant with a fine of $250,000. betty. >> yahoo! >> correct. >> $250,000 a day. 300 point question.

a new reality show from the discovery channel this fall entitled "rival survival" will pit new mexico democratic senator martin hime rick senator against republican jeff flake, who represents this state. alex? >> arizona. >> it is arizona. 300 points for alex witt. 300-point tossup. hillary clinton will speak this week at the think tank founded by john pedestin. name the think tank. this is definitely a 300-point question. it was the center for american progress. that should have been a 500-point question. on monday, first lady michelle obama stumped for democratic senate hopeful michelle nun, who is running in this state. >> georgia. >> 300 points for alex. 300-point question here. more than 13,000 passengers were affected as pilot strikes continued for this german

airline. dylan? >> end of the round. end of the game. alex witt, congratulations! 500 points. you are today's champion. and bill ortman is going to tell you what you won. >> as our champion. your name will be engraved using the finest sharpie ink. you'll also receive a dvd copy of the classic 1988 cocoon 2, the return. personally autographed. and you'll get to play in our jack pot round for today's grand prize. . a $50 gift certificate to quick meal food cart in manhattan. operated by a former chef of the russian tearoom. i had it for lunch today. delicious! enjoy the meal and congratulations. back to you, steve. >> i'm going to share this with you. >> add your name to the cup of honor there. >> let's get going. >> here's your chance to win a

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of 20 times more water than before the earthquake. >> like a silver lining. >> and alex, the champion. >> i learned hbo announced the return of season three of the newsroom and it will premier on november 3rd. and i was a consultant on it, so i love that show. i love the characters and stuff. it's my second favorite to you. you're number one. >> and i learned alex witt is a consultant on "the newsroom." the champion of up against the clock. >> she's everything. >> i need coffee! >> thanks a lot, guys. i appreciate that. thank you for getting up. thank you for joining us today on "up." tomorrow morning at 8:00 we'll talk about what she said to roger goodell when he called her. that will do it for today on "up." thanks for joining us. ah... (boy) i'm here! i'm here! (cop) too late. i was gone for five minutes! ugh!

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