due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. >> msnbc takes you behind the walls of america's most notorious prisons. into a world of chaos and danger. now, the scenes you've never seen. "lockup: raw." ♪ nestled at the base of majestic glaciers, the small coastal town of seward, alaska

is home of breathtaking bout. also home to springfield prison. here we encountered carl able, one of the most memorable killers ever profiled on "lock up." it didn't take long to make clear his opinions of some of his fellow inmates. >> all of these inmates can say what they want to say. they're punks. people in control know they're punks. abuhl first came in 2003 after convicted of murdering a co-worker. >> i caved his head in. caved it in totally. i think the biggest fragment of bone they found was a size of a half dollar. i kept hanging out and beating on him some more. there was -- it was -- are you really interested in the gory stuff? i was interested in how the

decomposition would be. it was pretty nasty. it was kind of twisted there. >> the raw interview footage goes on to reveal the most grisly aspect of abuhl's crime. >> your sense is? >> 70 years. >> i got years for cruelty to animals. i knew the guy's cat that he had, the guy was nuked the cat. >> how did you nuke the cat. >> i stuck him in the microwave and turned it on. i knew 2 1/2 minutes wasn't long enough so i did it longer. i didn't do it for kicks, i did it because he was chewing on the dead guy. >> 2 1/2 years he did fr killed

again. >> he was doing life for killing his move. he was bragging about that. i killed and getting out in 20 years. bla, bla, bla. i sat here listening to garbage. you can't fell, if you tell, you're a [ bleep ] rat. and somebody calls you a [ bleep ] rat, you say i'll put you in the ground. now what? >> while most fellow inmates infuriate him. he wanted our interviewer to know his respect for women and children is strong. >> they disrespect a woman, i'm going put them in the ground, rape-os, child molesters, there's no cure for them, so you kill them. that's how you deal with the problem. there's no problem then. abuhl went on to give us a graphic account how he murdered

his cell mate. . he was talking about how he was going to strangle this lady. so i tore up a sheet and wrapped it around his head, and i said, nope, you ain't doing nothing. >> you go say hi to mommy. >> how did he die? >> he kept on breathing. i thought i was doing it wrong, because i didn't have the appropriate -- a wire, you can decapitate someone if you yank on it, i tried to decapitate him with the sheets. it was five minutes of flailing around. i then got it on his neck and he hemorrhaged. then shoved a handkerchief down his threat to quiet him down. there's still punks running their mouth. >> moments after abuhl was placed back in the cell, he was

in conflict with the inmate in the neighboring cell. >> this is what they call cell warriors, they can't get at each other, so they just try to stir each other up. >> okay, okay. you're a jailhouse punk. >> you're a punch! . abuhl is expected to serve out the rest of his sentence, if not his life, in the highly restrictive single-person cells of spring creek's max unit. he left our crew with these words. >> i try to think positive. there's always things getting worse. things can get worse. i hope they don't. >> when we traveled to river

bend maximum security institution in tennessee, we encountered a young inmate who was also driven to kill and his story was absolutely chilling. >> i murdered my aunt with a butcher knife. i put on a hockey mask, brown overalls and brown boots. they said i had bottled up anger. i was mad at my mom all my life for the way she treat me. i figured i'd kill her sister. i didn't want to kill my mom. i thoug thought it would kill here. luis ramon said he relates with two fictional killers. >> i figured i'd be a killer like michael meyers and jason vor he's. i heard voices.

how to kill people and how to do it. i feel i've been possessed by the devil for six years. >> there's a daemon that lives outside my window right now. he lives outside my window, he's a demon. >> most of the time he sings to me and hums. he aggravates me somehow and i just sleep. >> when our producer noticed his card arms, she knows that sometimes he cuts himself as well. >> i cut my vein over three times, twice with a spoon and once with a razor blade to watch the blood come out. it took 15 years of bottled anger to do what i did. if it's bottled again, i i end up doing something like that again. >> he's not going to get his chance any time soon. he isn't eligible for parole until 2057. >> if i go back in time, i would

escape when i had the chance or at least took out 30 people before i got -- had a little fun a while out there. >> our interview ended with ramon's chilling outlook on his life. >> i figured that's why i was put on earth to be a serial killer. like that's my job. if i do get a chance to get out, maybe i'll do that, so i have no chance to get out, i can't carry out my plan. >> kill as many people as i can before i die. >> i've been told i'm pretty hard core. >> next, on "lockup: raw." >> i start to turn off my camera as i back out slowly from the cell. >> a producer has a danger oous encounter with an inmate.

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at virtually every prison we profile, we've met inmates who spent the majority of their lives behind bars and are never getting out. in many cases, these lifers, committed their crimes as teenagers. after each passing decade, slowly adjusted to the strict rules and rigorous demands of prison life. there are those inmates like alex bennett at the kentucky state penitentiary, who don't always agree with or abide by the rules. >> i'm a person that's been in the joint all of my life. i've been told i'm pretty hard core. and i need a certain type of environment. >> now, you got something you want to say to me now? we can get it on national tv

here. >> everything about alex's mannerisms, his appearance, and the words that he spoke, sai saisaid -- he just embodied that. >> he was 54 years old when we met him and spent 33 years behind bar for armed robbery, kidnapping and murder. >> the system today isn't like the system i came into 36 years ago. the system today has the majority of their inmates programmed into doing what they're told when they're told to do it. they get to the point they expect that of everybody. well, there's still a few old dogs around who like to do things their own way. >> bennett's way of doing things, however, has had

horrifying results. after adapting to life in a single person cell here, he was transferred to a lower security prison in 1998. he had more privileges there, but also had to share a cell. that's when things began to go very wrong. >> i'm not going to live with child molesters. i'm not going to live with punks. i'm not going to live with rats. i need my privacy and that's the most important thing to me. and i was determined to get that, and i got it. >> after his request to return to a single maximum security cell at kentucky state was denied, bennett took matters in his own hands, and at the expense of his new cell mate. >> i took a knife, and i stabbed him with it, three or four times until he was dead. and then i butchered him with it. i cut him up into little pieces, because, like i told the warden down there, that's -- you know,

this is what i left you, now you'll give me a transfer, or one of you all will be next. i have a choice, because i have nothing to lose, you see my point? i don't have nothing to lose. >> usually, i hang out right here. this is my spot. i used to stay over there, but the child killers took it over, and they can have it. i don't argue with nobody about spots. i feel like the whole point belongs to me, since i killed to get here to get it. >> a whole lot about it think i'm insane, psychopathic murder. they don't know anything about me. >> but later, bennett revealed he did care what the "lockup" audience would think of him. >> they took me to meet him. he was taking a long pull off a cigarette. i could start to see the gears turning in alex's mind a little

bit. and he said to me, why do you need all of this footage. i just don't get it. why do you need all of this footage about me? >> it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. >> what's that? >> just sitting here looking goofy. >> he was upset. and it was like a switch. he went from being terribly cooperative, to not being happy about this situation, and there was a really, really discernible shift in his demeanor. >> i'll just film you, whatever you want to do. i just want to get a shot of you in your cell. >> going through all of these here prisons, talking to all of these people such as myself, you know, people who's never getting out. this thing ain't recording, is it? >> i start to turn off the camera, and i stand up, and i begin reasoning with alex, slowly as i inch my way

backwards towards nancy out of the alex, it's important we tell this story. i don't know if i was getting through to alex but i know i was getting closer to the entrance of the cell. we turn and start walking down the cell tier and get to the entrance of the cell block and nancy is white, and she says to me, i don't know if you realize how lucky you are right now. >> hale might have been lucky, and he made it out of kentucky state knowing, alex bennett never will, but bennett has accepted that. >> i never think about the outside world anymore. never, ever. i don't dream about the outside world. i don't dream about the outside. i am 100% prison. this is my life. coming up on "lockup: raw."

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that's are places where the inmates are really kind of the true life hannibal lecters. they require extra security, shackles, three, four correctional officers at a time. it really puts our crew on a one-on-one basis with the most dangerous criminals in america. in many cases, the interviews have to happen through glass. such was the case when they encountered steven hughley in eastern tennessee. when we met him, hughley had already been in prison for more than 20 years and was scheduled

to be executed the following month. >> i shot my mother and threw her off the fridge. we had had problems for years, and it just finally reached the end. a girl that i had a date with called there, and when i answered the phone, my mother, she come out of her bedroom and started coming down the hallway, and she said -- screamed, is that another one of them little whores calling here, and it was just like i snapped. i told the girl that i had a date with, i said i'll be out there to get you in a little bit. i said i'm fisting to kill this bitch. i hung up the phone and i went and got a rifle and shot her. then i carried her, dumped her in the river and went on my day. i felt a great deal of contempt toward her, because of the way she belittled my father, and was

constantly putting him down, and after a few years of that, it just made me to where i really didn't feel anything toward her. >> throughout the hour-long interview, hughley rarely displayed emotion, except when recalling how his mother broke the news of his father's death when he was only 12 years old. she hung up the phone, she turned around and said ronny's dead, they found hip dead in his car, he committed suicide. i'll put you on the bus and send you to michigan for the funeral, and that was it. and that made me hate her, because, from that day forward, i knew i was going to kill her, eventuall eventually. >> hughley was sentenced for life in prison for killing his mother, but it wouldn't be the last time he'd commit murder. five years later, while incarcerated at a different prison, he stabbed an inmate 67

times after the man and two friends allegedly threatened him. >> all three of them come up to my cell, which was a single cell, and i slaughtered him, and went after them two, and they took off running and hid. but i was going to kill them all three. >> after receiving an additional life sentence for killing the inmate, 13 years later, hughley murdered again. >> in this unedited footage, hughley describes how and why he killed a prison counselor. >> the plan was kill him, get the death penalty, use the state of tennessee's lethal injection as a means of suicide, since i didn't have the guts to do it myself, and then in january, i killed him. and the first thing i did, is said i want the death penalty, i want to be executed. and so here we are. >> how did you kill him?

>> i stabbed him 36 types. >> i'm wanted to put so many holes in him that there was no chance that he could survive. my philosophy always has been, if you put enough holes in him, they can't plug them all and chances are they die. i've seen people stabbed 17, 18 times and get up and walk away. >> that's really graphic and horrible. >> i agree. >> it's horrible. i mean -- >> i agree. i've never lost a minute of sleep over anything i've ever done. if somebody who commits pre medicated first-degree murder tells you they have remorse, they are a liar. it's impossible to commit pre meditated first-degree murder and say you have remorse for it. how can you be remorseful about something you intended to do.

>> hughley was sentenced to death for killing the counselor and was transferred to tennessee's death row, located at the river bend maximum security institution, more than 100 miles away. lo "lockup" cameras were there as hughley left. days after this footage was shot, hughley reinstated his appeal of the death sentence, because the prison would not grant him a contact visit with his daughter. he was granted a stay of execution and returned to brushy mountain.

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