because if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." they are killing and slaughtering thousands of people -- muslims, christians, minorities across iraq and syria. they boast of their brutality. they claim to do this in the name of islam. that is nonsense. islam is a religion of peace. they are not muslims. they are monsters. >> strong words this morning from british prime minister david cameron, reacting to news of a third beheading at the hand s -- >> action could be one of hatred.

it was about love for all men. >> all this amid new reports that several arab countries are apparently ready to launch air strikes against isis militants. good afternoon. hello to you all. thank you very much for being here. i'm t.j. holmes. we have a busy sunday afternoon for you now including as week two in the nfl season gets under way we are learning today another team is taking action and taking a player off the field. that player is one of several now involved in domestic violence are cases. also this hour, hillary clints return to the steak fry. we'll take you there live. beginning with american allies today reeling and toughenening the position on isis after another western hostage was executed by their terror group. a video released shows the

killing of british aid worker david haines who was killed in the same manner as two american hostages james foley and steven sotloff. foley was killed in august. sotloff was killed this month. president obama meanwhile condemned what he called the barbaric murder of david haines saying the united states stands shoulder to shoulder tonight with our close friend and ally in grief and resolve. we'll work with the united states kingdom and a broad coalition around the world to bring the perpetrators of this outrageous act to justice. kristen, what else are you hearing from the white house today? >> the same outrage from president obama, the administration focused on trying to build up an international coalition to deal with the threat of isis and, of course, the uk has offered assistance in the terms of surveillance and

intelligence. will this put more pressure to join the united states in terms of air strikes. so far the u.s. launched 160 air strikes in iraq. it is expected they will launch air strikes in syria next. that's the question. what is the impact going to be on the efforts to build up the international coalition? secretary of state john kerry traveling throughout the middle east over the past several days trialing to build up a coalition there. we know ten arab nations signed on to a communique pledging to offer some type of support. humanitarian aid and other aid. the details are being hammerered out behind the scenes now. >> you mentioned secretary kerry. listen to what he told cbs talking about boots on the groundment listen. >> we are not looking to put troops on the ground. there are some who offered to do so. but we are not looking for that at this moment. the answer is yes. there are some that said that. there are some that are clearly

prepared to take action in the air alongside the united states. and to do air strikes, if that's what they are called on to do. >> once again, the steady message we are hearing is that absolutely there will not be u.s. boots on the ground. still doesn't sound like they are opposed to other nations putting troops on the ground. >> right. that's the idea to have other medications put troops on the ground. everyone agrees in order to defeat isis that's what's going to be required. secretary kerry being very careful not to name the countries just yet. administration officials say we'll get more details in terms of what specific assurances have been made in the coming days and in if coming weeks. we know australia though pledged 600 troops. the question is what specifically will they be doing. france seems poised to join the united states in terms of launching air strikes. there is going to be a conference in paris tomorrow. international nations going to convene to discuss the threat of

isis and how specifically to deal with it. one more point i will make, this comes while we are getting new poll numbers here in the u.s. 61% of americans now say they support air strikes against isis. but the majority of americans are skeptical about this actual plan and whether or not they are going to be effective. the obama administration still has a job to do when it comes to convincing the american people that they have the right strategy. just to be clear, their strategy includes not only air strikes but the international coalition working with the new iraqi government and also arming and training opposition forces. that's something president obama wants congressional approval for. they will be back in session monday. they cancelled a planned day. they will be back to start debating the me sure. it is expected congress will give the president the authority to arm and train opposition forces. >> kristen welker at the white house. thank you, as always. we have played sound from david

cameron a moment ago. he was quick to condemn the slaying of david haines. listen again. >> david haines was a british hero. the fact that an aide worker was taken, held and brutally murdered at the hands of isil sums up what the organization stands for. they make no secret of their desire to do as much harm not just in the middle east but the people who stand in their way or dare to stand for values they disagree with. >> i want to turn to london now and kelly kobiya with the latest. i want you to listen to the brother of mr. hains, mike haines was emotional trying to give a statement about his brother. >> if i said my brother was a saint i would be a liar. he's made many mistakes like us

all. he tried to be a better man. he tried to account for his mistakes in a previous life. >> how could it have an impact on britain's resolve now against isis? >> certainly ratchets up the pressure for some kind of action. already there are calls from some. for stronger military action against isis. political and religious leaders condemned david haines's killing using sickening, a barbaric act. the president of the society of

great britain called the isis militants criminals and villains. the british prime minister said great britain would take whatever steps necessary to defeat isis. will that be air strikes? if it is, it won't happen any time soon. there are no plans to call parliament back from recess for a vote on air strikes. we understand that's something, a debate at least that will happen first. >> what can you tell us? meanwhile there is another british hostage. >> there is. his name is alan henning. his family released a picture of him taken on the turkish/syrian border today. he's 47 years old, a former taxi driver from the manchester area. he was on a volume -- he was a volunteer on a humanitarian aid convoy. another humanitarian worker, t.j., on that convoy to syria when he was captured. >> all right. nbc's kelly kobiaya in london. thank you so much.

we want to continue now with the isis threat. i want to bring in chief correspondent richard engel on the line from the turkish c capital there. hello, richard. what do you make of the developments that we are seeing now today about isis? and how does it impact the plan to build a coalition that the u.s. has? >> expressing more optimism than they have in the last couple of days about the coalition. they think they are getting real arabs not just pledges and moral support. but actual concrete steps. helping to reinforce the border with lebanon. perhaps even arab states contributing militarily flying sor tis, bombing isis. we don't have a timeline. it looks like according to state

department officials anyway that this is not going to happen until after the u.n. general assembly meeting which lasts until october oh 1 when so many world leaders gather in new york for the annual meeting. but it looks like a coalition is intact. the real problem is so many different nations in the region have a different vision of what should happen next. they have a different understanding of what should happen to iraq. what should happen to syria. almost everyone agrees that isis is a cancer. that's the analogy people are using. but they are not sure what's supposed -- how the patient is supposed to be once the cancer is removed. >> what do we glean as well from the timing of the executions and also from the release of the video by isis?

what exactly are they trying to do? and i guess a grander motivation. we know what they are doing on the ground. they put these out and use social media and they are, quite frankly, p.r. savvy to some degree. >> they are very p.r. savvy. they are trying to terrorize the united states. they are trying to terrorize the people of the uk to create distance between their governments and their people. they are trying to tell other allies, arab allies, the tirkish government not to join a coalition. they are trying to get famous and it's working for them. the franchise of isis is now a global brand, as strange as it sounds. the same way al qaeda was an appealing brand to some aspiring terrorist groups around the world. if you remember a few years ago when any terrorist group wanted

to make a name for itself they would attach the al qaeda brand name to the group. so you would have al qaeda in arabia or al qaeda in north africa. now it's isis. as you look over the last several weeks really there are lots of little groups that are trying to attach the islamic state which is what isis calls itself, to their name. it's in part a message of fear and in part a despicable branding campaign. >> richard engel, we appreciate you hopping on the line. thank you so much. 12 minutes past the hour now. we turn to another big development in the nfl. just a few hours ago the carolina panthers announced greg hardy is not playing today. he's been deactivated. the latest in a series of oh nfl players with domestic violence charges drawing national attention. also, hillary clinton's big return to iowa since her big loss there in 2008.

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mattress discounters good deed dogs helping dogs help people. a quarter past the hour now. we are following developing news out of the nfl. greg hardy has been deactivated and will not play in today's game. nfl says this was a team decision, not an nfl decision. hardy was found guilty on domestic violence charges in july. he is appealing. meanwhile san francisco 49ers defensive end ray mcdonald who was arrested on a domestic violence charge is expected today. his case being investigated and a court date has been postponed. in all it's been a back week of headlines for the nfl. minnesota vikings running back adrian peterson was charged with

one count of injury to a child, his son. he was arrested this weekend and is now out on bail. he is inactive for today. also formerer baltimore ravens running back ray rice has been suspended indefinitely by the league after a video showing him hitting his then fiancee in an elevator and got heavy media play. it sparks outrage reaching as high as the white house. chief of staff denis mcdonough today described president obama's reaction to the video. >> we have talked generally about the situation in the nfl. the president was shocked, let's put it that way. >> i want to bring in kate fagan, espn-w columnist. give me your reaction. we got this a short time ago that greg hardy of the panthers wasn't going to play. what was your reaction? >> i think the panthers deserve as little credit as you can for making the move.

what happened with greg hardy, he was convicted of domestic violence. he is appealing it. the panthers hid behind it until you have been officially convicted. the panthers don't have are to deactivate him, take action. i think their hand was forced yesterday when the vikings took swift action on adrian peterson with the charges of child abuse. they deactivated him even before he was convicted. at that point is when the panthers had to make a decision. i think greg hardy practiced on thursday, on friday. he walked into the stadium today thinking he was going to play. so panthers were forced into this by p.r., media pressure. they weren't proactive about it. they were reactive. >> it's a good thing. they had to be forced to do the what many would say is the right thing, to get him off the field. is that a good sign that the pressure, the media pressure that something out there worked

and that the attention on domestic violence got results in some manner? >> absolutely. i think a lot of people who work in the field of domestic violence thought for years there would never come a time when there would be enough pressure to get nfl teams to take action like this. certainly that we have reached a point where there is enough media outcry and public outcry about some of the issues affecting the nfl, to even get the panthers to make the move is a step in the right direction. the panthers have known for months. it was only at the 11th hour after a lot of oh other things fell into place like what happened with adrian peterson, as i mentioned, that they took this step. we are at a point where having this conversation which a lot of people didn't think we would get to the point of having. >> certainly. he may not be off the field had

it not been for the video of ray rice. that video changed everything. we saw ray rice made his first public appearance. he and his wife made their first public outing. first time we have seen it since the video was out. he went back to his high school for a football game. they had their arms around each other, smiling, looking like a he happy family. this is the football coach making comments about ray rice. >> ray is a part of our family, a part of the program. i'm happy he's here today because he made a mistake -- and he made a terrible mistake, but i know the character of the man. he will rise from this. >> is this too soon almost? i had a guest saying this is clearly a p.r. offensive. he's already working to rebuild his image, ray rice is. to have his coach say supportive words in that manner, is it too

soon frankly for him to be trying to -- i don't know, work with his way back into the nfl? >> well, i'm sure ray rice has done a lot of good in his life as well as what we saw probably in his worst moment which was captured on video. i tend to take the stance of oh not really trying to do a he said/she said to the specific ray rice situation. you're really not going to get anywhere. that video and that moment in time exists. it is allowing us to really open up the door on the domestic violence problem that the nfl has had for years. there have been a lot of people who work in domestic violence organizations who tried to talk to the nfl about keeping a strong stance on the issue in the same way they have publically stood behind breast cancer and all of their go pink days. the nfl has never thought it was good business. so i think it really doesn't matter so much what happens

specifically with ray rice as much as it's allowing us to really now shine a spotlight on the flaws within the nfl, within the culture. and the stance or lack of stance they have taken for years when it comes to violence against women. >> this isn't going away soon. one women's group out there is actually flying banners over some of the stadiums today calling for rogerer goodell to step down as nfl commissioner. this isn't going anywhere. kate fagan, good to have you and talk to you today. thank you so much. espn-w. i'll talk to you again soon. >> thanks, t.j. >> 22 minutes past the hour. something else we are keeping an eye on today, politics in iowa. a big deal, a big day. this is a short time ago. that's the former president and former secretary of state bill and hillary clinton at the steak fry. it's called the tom harkin steak fry.

he's been doing it 37 years now. bill and hillary clinton are there. this is the first time hillary clinton set foot back in iowa since she suffers a stinging defeat at the hands of one then senator barack obama in the iowa caucuses. she came in third. a lot of people say she's not going to let it happen this time around if, of course, she decides to run in 2016. they are expected to take the stage and speak in short order. we'll keep an eye and check into the steak fry. again, a long tradition there in indianola, iowa. this is tom harkin's last as he'll leave the senate. we'll keep an eye on that. meanwhile the march to a war on isis brought many americans back to similar battles the u.s. has waged in the region. our partners at now this news took a look at an all too

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former president bill clinton are both attending the annual steak fry event for outgoing senator and long time friend tom harkin. they are chatting it up with the brother in the cowboy hat there. we expect the clintons to take the stage momentarily. let's go to alex live at the steak fry in indianola, iowa. hello to you. she's just there to grab a bite to eat, right? >> she just made her appearance ten minutes ago running late with bill. they were flipping steaks there. despite the steak fry there is no steaks being fried there. they are grilled. they will do the customary photo op where they show they support the iowa cattle industry and fitting in with the crowd here. >> what kind of crowd are they expecting? they have a lot of people there year in, year out.

is this different because of the speculation and because it's hillary clinton's return? >> well, there are two big things. obviously hillary clinton. bill clinton, huge draws both of them. it's the last steak fry. this is an event that's been going on for 37 years. this is the biggest crowd since 2007. they expected around 5,000. i talked to organizers. they say 7,000 or 8,000 people buying tickets are at the door. it's packed. people are fired up. they are eating steak, chicken. we had congressional candidates speak. jack hatch is now speaking. of course everyone looking forward to bill and hillary clinton taking the stage and tom harkin as well. >> msnbc's alex wall in iowa for us. thank you. we'll check back in at the event. also a look this afternoon as president obama is about to award the medal of oh honorer to three veterans. among them army command sergeant vinnie atkins who spoke with

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execution of british aid worker david haines. john kerry has been trying to gain international support against isis. just how much military support the secretary can muster is unclear. nbc's chief global correspondent bill nealy is in damascus. bill? >> hello from damascus. the killing of a third western hostage and a threat to kill a fourth is obviously designed to intimidate, terrorize, drive a wedge between western governments. that doesn't seem to be ever likely to happen as president obama made clear today saying we stand shoulder the to shoulder with the united kingdom. it is designed to put pressure on the governments. there is no question president obama faces hard choices now. we have had his intention to destroy isis both in iraq and in syria. but at what point does he launch air strikes here in syria.

is there any possibility that those air strikes might prevent any more killings? where does he launch the air strikes? who are the moderate rebels who might retake the grand as a result of the air strikes and does he koord them with president assad in order to make sure american war planes are safe in syrian air space? there is no question the president faces a huge number of choices i.'s a complex situation here. just behind me there have been air strikes by the syrian air force against rebel positions. not isis positions, but another group allied to al qaeda full of foreign fighterers, full of hardened islamists. what does the u.s. and allies do about those rebels. no question the situation in iraq and in syria are really quite different. the immediate problem is there anything the u.s. and the west can do to stop further westerners being killed?

back to you. >> retired u.s. army general montgomery megs is with me now. let's pick up on the question, sir? is there anything besides maybe finding this masked man in the videos? anything you can do to keep from seeing videos of oh americans and now britons having their heads cut off? >> in the short term, probably not. unless intelligence work going on has given us locations that could be attacked in an appropriate way by appropriate forces. over the long term if we can get the coalition, yes. as soon as you do that.

>> go ahead. >> plus they may realize an attempt to terrorize the american people is having the opposite effect. >> something you said there, if we could get the coalition together, what kind of military commitment does the u.s. need from other nations to do what you are talking about which is eventually degrade and destroy isis? >> this is not new. we have done this a lot. we did it in bosnia. we have done coalitions, military coalitions, a number of times. we all know how the to do it. they get into an agreement with a leading nation -- that's us. they agree to put certain forces on the ground. by the way, if the u.s. is not going to put ground force this is the coalition which will be seen by some nations as no skin in the game, in a hard part of the game, it will be harder to convince them to do that. that's exactly what we need to make all this work properererly.

yes, we can use air power. you have to be careful. ours is sophisticated, very accurate. the problem is the air campaign took place. we had air supremacy. when the u.s. took over in kosovo there were only six destroyed serb vehicles there which wasn't much of a take. so we have to be careful how we look at these and rather than call it a war, this is not aer war. we are not fighting a nation state. we are fighting an ideologically based popular movement. as long as the movement can maintain its operations, we haven't degraded it. the focus has to be to degrade it to a point where local nations can reassert their sovereignty and a bunch of people leading the organization are standing before the bar of justice somewhere. >> we have estimates of 31,000 isis fighters in iraq and syria. those numbers keep going up. again, these are cia estimates.

what do you make of the numbers? we were initially just told this was, you know, just a band of fighters who were outnumbered. they had the grit, the motivation to take out many of the iraqi forces in greater numbers. now that you hear maybe these numbers are growing, what concerns you about hearing and what should we make of our 31,000 isis fighters and the number keeps going up? >> it's hard, t.j., to evaluate the number if we don't know the counting rule. anybody that's come in the last few weeks certainly isn't trained. maybe they have had -- they have been sworn to fealty and had the big ads on oh the front and the big lectures but they haven't been trained for combat. i'm laery about the numbers. perhaps it's one of the things

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all right. we are about 15 minutes off the top of the hour. live picture you're seeing there. this is a big deal. a long tradition in iowa. the 37th annual harkin steak fry. tom harkin has been doing it for 37 years. this is his last one. he's going out with a bang. not that he needed some headliners to draw a crowd, but he's got a couple. former secretary of state hillary clinton and bill clinton expected to speak here at any moment. there you see the three i was just mentioning. just moments ago, shaking the hands, doing the thing. you see a grill. it's a steak fry but they don't fry anything at this event. the name stuck 37 years ago so they have been going with it. he's the outgoing senator. nbc contributor raul reyes and

domestic correspondent josh barrow and of course from the blaze amy holmes. here with me as we continue to look at pictures. it's iowa, hillary clinton. a nice send-off. let's send them off and leave it at that. >> when are the clintons not about politics? it's about politics and a longstanding friendship as the clintons mention. hillary of course in the senate with mr. harkin. it sure smells like 2016 at the steak fry. we would be naive not to think so. >> come on, josh. am i naive? >> who doesn't vacation in iowa? >> it's politics in two ways. the long un-campaign for hillary

clinton, might she run, might she not run. there is a compelling senate race in iowa and proceeds can support bruce braley in a competitive race. one thing you might do if you were thinking of running for president is making good in iowa with others in the democratic party, indicate you are there to support them financially. this is about more than just steak. >> help me then. listen to senator tom harkin. this is him responding, getting a question about hillary clinton and her presence there. let's see if he helps us. >> he wants to focus on 2014. and how we can keep the senate and keep key people around the country. she's going to be out there working hard. >> she's out there working hard, focused on 2014. >> focused on the future. part of this is also getting past 2007, 2008 when she came in third. . iowa is so unusual because voters there get so much attention.

they really do expect, even from the national figurers this type of retail politics where they want to shake hands with the candidates, talk one on one in the diner. that's what hillary didn't do before. she had money, was considered inevitable. but she doesn't typically connect that way. this is her chance to maybe show now she can do it. she has the resumé to become president. the question is does she have a vision, a rationale why besides it being her turn that she should be. >> go ahead. while you are answering i will put the poll up. this is a snapshot in time. the iowa poll or cnn poll for the folks in iowa. hillary clinton, 53%. joe biden 15%. everybody else on the list in single digits. >> another part of the interview with jonathan carl is the senator saying he has misgivings about hillary clinton and where she stands on the issues. he thinks she's too far to the right. interestingly her trip to iowa

reminds us that she's in a very strange dilemma where she's both the top dog and the under dog. members of the democratic party don't yet know where they want to place her. hillary clinton also in iowa, of course, as you said trying to shore up support among iowans. it's not just about 2014 obviously. >> i will get you back in a second after a quick break. you are seeing a live picture. we are standing by and the folks in indianola, iowa standing by for the clintons. 37th annual tom harkin steak fry. the clintons are there. hillary clinton in iowa always will raise eyebrows. a quick break and coming back with the brain trust.

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possibly, they are expected on stage, i should say the crowd is standing by to from them. >> right. >> but has she learned lessons last time, already seen signs, seeing signs that maybe she is not gonna do things the same way she did them the last time around? >> the lesson from hillary clinton the campaign eight years ago, don't be on the wrong side of the issue most important to democratic primary voters, that was the iraq war at the time. i think it's remarkable that hillary almost got the democratic nomination in 2008, despite being at odds with the party's base on that issue and i think this time, she's been careful to say more or less as little as possible beyond the administration's line. icthy she has staked out somewhat riskly a somewhat more, aggressive foreign policy vision than the president has but it's big enough that she is not -- not that she is supporting a specific military action that democrats oppose. >> but remember, she hasn't learned how to campaign. the rollout of her book was a complete disaster, she said the clintons were broke when they left the white house and back

pedal on that not the dazzling politician democrats want to nominate. >> i remember when she was running for senate in new york in 1999 and 2000 and people made fun of the listening tour, the listening tour worked. >> also look at who her opponent was. give me a break. >> but she won that race, what was it, by 12 points. i think, you know exhillary will never be suave, like bill is but that's not her appeal. her appeal is that she is solid and trustworthy, the appeal she is trying to sell, i think it can work. >> what can she say on stage today that, i mean, people are going to cover this and just because just the fact that she's there she is supposed to say anything, can she say something wrong actually today, like talking about the book tour and misstep there is, can she make a misstep today? >> i think she's -- she's generally a -- generally strikes me as a cautious politician in her speeches, for better or worse, she tends to play it safe. i don't think the focus here in iowa or even later as we get to new hampshire is going to be so much what she is saying on stage. hillary, you know, she has

qualification, she has the resume, i think -- i -- i wouldn't say she was boring, talking about that before. not gonna say we said it just think that she -- it's very difficult for her to do that one-on-one connecting to excite an audience but for the perfect example of that you see her and bill together, he is fantastic, he blows away the room and then hillary, she just can't -- she cannot compete with that, it's very hard for her, especially in the early stages what people want is to engage. after all these years, look at how long she has been in public life. she's an icon, most admired would.in america, all these different honors, most people feel we still don't know who she is. >> you make it sound as if, as crazy as that is, she needs to, the one thing that could benefit her, not be standing next to this guy who is just so dynamic. does she have a limit? >> not that, i think just that people want a better sense of the authentic hillary clinton. she can still reframe it, still redo it >> it's a problem when the person who is hosting the state,

tom harkin retiring from the senate gives an interview to a national network saying that he is not sure he trusts hillary clinton on the issues. your own andrea mitchell, you know, down there on the ground interviewing these iowagoers to this event saying, you know, as you were saying, they are not sure who hillary is, they don't know where she stands on the issues, you mentioned, she has been in public life all of these years and still democratic potential primary voters aren't sure where she stands on the issues. that's problem for hillary. >> who is gonna beat her? you can't beat somebody with no candidate, not at all clear either who the candidate is who would rise up to oppose her or what issue that person would rise in order to beat hillary to the left. you have to have an organizing reason why people reject the person who is the front-runner. >> i agree with that, which is why i suggest it's very similar to what republicans face in their presidential primaries, looking at a person who is next in line they don't want that person necessarily so they are fishing about for all these alternatives, alternative doesn't come to the fore. gets the nomination anyway.

she is not doing it in a dazzling, sweeping the nation, grabbing the nation's imagination. >> yet. yet. because i think she can still reframe. i believe she has learned a lot of lessons from 2007, 2008, in terms of the ground game, like you mentioned and i think even with response to her book rollout, which was not great, going through all these negatives, things i think she can turn around if she is following make herself more accessible to people. i think she can absolutely turn it around and take advantage of all of these energy that she has with the ready for hillary groups and all these endorsements lining up behind-the-scenes and reframe herself. >> you got a quick point, make it for me. >> i think the democratic party coalition is remarkably united on policy issues, people say she was the front-runner going in eight years ago, poll numbers actually much stronger now than they were eight years ago, see national polls pulling north of 60% with democratic primary voters. people want this to be a contested race, contested races are fun and interesting but looks to me like all the action on the republican side. >> all right, josh, raul, amy,

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