florida, across the south and across the country. >> no doubt, president of the communication workers of america. a big win for your union tonight and also the teamsters. >> to have you with us. that's the "ed show." "politics nation" starts right now. >> good evening. thank you for tuning in. news, moments ago, the house voted to approve president obama's plan to train and equip syrian rebels, fighting the terrorist group isis. this just hours after the president repeated his promise that he will not put u.s. troops on the ground. >> one of the things we've learned over this last decade is america can make a decisive difference but i want to be clear. the american forces that have been deployed to iraq do not and will not have a combat mission. they will support iraqi forces on the ground as they fight for

their own country against these terrorists. as your commander-in-chief, i will not commit you and the rest of our armed forces to fighting another ground war in iraq. >> a vow not to get the u.s. dragged into another ground war in the middle east. the fight against isis is a serious issue and many serious questions remain. when secretary of state john kerry testified today, one republican senator launched political and personal attacks on this administration. >> i want to say as i've said to you personally, we have three snashs. president, vice president, secretary of state. that are exercising terrible judgment right now. >> let me say a couple things. first of all -- >> you can say the answer to my question, okay? >> i'm going to answer your question. i'm sure the chair will be, you

know, happy to have the kind of dialogue i talked about earlier. it is important to talk this through. >> i have 2:34 and four more questions. this doesn't eve seem serious. it seems like a political answer to the united states as they cry out about this uncivilized activity but it doesn't seem real to me. >> this is not the kind of tone we need when debating law. moments later, senator barbara boxer made her feelings known. >> i think it is shocking and a sad state of affairs that we heard just now such angry comments aimed at you, mr. secretary, and through you at our president instead of at isis. i think it is shocking. i'm actually shaking and trembling. this is not the time to show anger at the people who are

working night and day, whether you agree with them or not, to protect our people. >> we can certainly disagree on policy but with so much at stake, we shouldn't debate the conversation and debase the conversation by launching political and personal attacks on men and women trying to keep us safe. joining me now is senator barbara boxer, senator, thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> why were you so disturbed by those comments? >> reverend, i find it a case of misplaced anger and politics. the anger should be shown at this terrorist group that beheaded two of our people. they have promised more to come. they say every person is in their target range. they're taking 14-year-old girls, reverend, raping them, selling them off.

sometimes giving them as prizes to their fighters. this group needs to be stopped. and to direct anger such as senator corker did at our secretary of state who is working tirelessly to build up a coalition to go against isis and to show that angry face to the world at this time. to me it did make me tremble and i did speak out against it. it is rare that i do that but i really felt it was important. the tone. what you say and how you say it when you are facing this kind of enemy is very important. >> senator, what should be the focus of this discussion at this point? >> i think it is very clear. i think the president has laid out a middle ground here. there are those who say, start up that war in iraq again. people like senator mccain,

others, put the boots on the ground. the combat groups. we shouldn't have left. he rejects that. then there's other group that says just forget it. it is too complex. we don't know where it will lead us. it is frightening. they cower in the corner and that's wrong as far as i'm concerned. the president is leading down a middle course, we have a strategy, a world coalition, up to 50 nations, we don't put our combat boots on the ground but we have the strategy, the intelligence, we have the air power and we'll do everything we can to defeat this group called isis. if you don't convert to have their islam, you flee or we kill you. that's it. we cannot sit back. and i thought that this vote today in the house was a major victory for the president. but more than that, it was a victory of common sense. that middle ground is where we

should be headed in my view. anyone who vote against the war in iraq, i am very, very careful when it comes to these kinds of issues. >> senator, you know, senator corker said this didn't sound serious. but secretary of state john kerry has been all over. i mean, 20 locations. is there anything about what he's doing that doesn't seem serious to you? >> it is deadly serious. so much is at stake. for the first time we have the arab nation standing with us. saudi arabia willing to give us the land in order to train these syrian fighters. these moderate syrian fighters. so again, everyone has a right to disagree. but to show that angry face to the world was so disheartening. i think the house vote today, that sends the right message.

it was a strong vote. the majority of democrats, the majority of republicans and i think you will see that also later this week here in the united states senate. and let's let this strategy unfold. it makes a lot of sense. the president is a very cautious man. he is deliberative. it took him a while to put this tragedy together. he has it together. the least we can do is be respectful of this strategy. because this group has attacked our people and they want to attack us. >> 273 votes in the house of representatives today. that's quite a feat. >> pretty much a land slide because it was made up of both parties. it is so rare to see that. >> let me personally congratulate you for standing up the way did you. senator barbara boxer. now i want to bring in dana

milbank of the "washington post." thank you for being here. >> good to be here. >> how can republicans sit there and try to score political points during a debate about law? >> it is an extraordinary thing if you think about it. it was just a few weeks ago when virtually nobody was talking about boots on the ground, about a ground war in the middle east. you had the president come out and basically say what john mccain and lindsey graham have been saying. we have to get involved with the air campaign. the noemt president says it, suddenly the republican party has become the party in fare of a ground war in the middle east. so this is an you tolderly new creation. >> you wrote about that. i think it is something that we need to bring out because you did in your writings. you wrote about how we've heard some republicans push for ground

troops even though a few weeks ago said they said it was a bad idea. they're being vehement, aggressive, they're throwing around insults and two weeks ago they had complete opposite position. i want to play you the comments that you wrote about this. listen to this. >> we invented a number of military special force. and they knew they had action sense to intelligence from the united states and air support from the united states, wouldn't that encourage them to be better? >> i'm not sure how this will be without the assistance of our trained special operators on the ground. >> if you think they can do it without us being on the ground, just say yes. >> why would they want troops on the ground? >> well, it does if you're being a bit cynical about this, you would say they want boots on the

ground because president obama doesn't. if you look more closely at what they're saying, they're not saying send the troops in right now. they're saying just don't take it off the table. of course, if president obama were to come out and be for troops on the ground, the american public isn't ready for that. so he is being more clever in his leadership. as general dempsey said yesterday, if circumstances change, of course he would recommend a change to the president. whatever the president is saying now, if he's facing a fundamentally different situation in a year or two, obviously circumstances would change. it seems like a good opportunity to posture here. as senator boxer pointed out, the vote was really a majority of republicans and democrats. so the people who are posturing, it appears they are doing just that but ultimately going i know

what the plan. >> you know, they made the case the u.s. always comes to the aid of those who need it. >> that's the story across the board. if there is a hurricane, if there is a typhoon, if there is some sort of crisis, if there is an earthquake, if there is a need for a rescue mission, when the world is threatened, when the world needs help, it calls on america. even the countries that complain about america, when they need help, who do they call? they call us. >> what message is the president trying to send here? >> the rap against this president is that he has not been engaged enough in the world. that he doesn't believe enough in american greatness and american exceptionalism. i think what he's done here is

an answer to that. now, to look at the syria situation, he tried to suggest to the congress a bombing campaign a year ago. dropped it in their laps. they couldn't come together with anything. he has in many ways answered the critics. you would think from the republicans side they would say thank you for coming to our position. we've come closer to you. >> coming up, developing news in the nfl new allegations. and calls for action. police, we've heard the outrage. and the issue of domestic violence in the spotlight.

meredith viera opens up about her own experience. >> and then there was the night that i shared an apartment and he threw me into a shower naked in scalding water and then he threw me outside into the hallway. and developing news out of ferguson. michael brown's killer testified before the grand jury. we're live in st. louis tonight. turn the trips you have to take, into one you'll never forget. earn points for every flight and every hotel. expedia plus rewards.

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developing news in the skablg think engulfing the nfl. late today the carolina panthers announced their benched greg hardy who is appealing a conviction for assaulting his girlfriend. the minnesota vikings have benched adrian peterson, following his indictment on child abuse charges. the players union says both men have left voluntarily. the union has appealed ray rice' indefinite suspension for punching his girl in an elevator and there is growing pressure on the san francisco 49ers for playing ray mcdonald despite his arrest for allegedly hitting his pregnant fiance. >> now a coach says that innocent until proven guilty,

due process, all of that. but the fact is they shouldn't have played. >> it's clear the nfl has a problem. it is clear the league hasn't done enough to address it. it is also clear that this issue, domestic violence, is something the entire country needs to deal. with joining me now, dana jacobson, host of cbs sports radio. thanks for being here. >> my pleasure. thank you. let's look at greg hardy. this summer he was convicted of domestic assault and threatening to kill an ex-girlfriend. she says he dragged her by the hair and strangled her. hardy is appealing that conviction. and even after today, he is still checking a $13 million salary. what's your response to what his team is doing? >> i think so much of this come down to the thing we want to say. this is about winning games.

that's why some of these players were around despite in this situation, it having gone to a bench trial. i think at this point, at least they've taken action. while nobody is admitting they are taking action because it's been a public outcry of we're not okay with this anymore, at least they're taking action. they are sitting him. yes, he is getting paid. do i wish that money was going toward domestic violence prevention? sure. but it is a step in the right direction to at least remove him from the team. it is going to a jury trial. >> even while they were doing that, the coach, rob rivera, i was struck by the tone -- >> me, too. >> listen to this. well, he is hurt. it is a tough situation. he is part of this football team. we've done nothing other than give him a leave have absence. he is still being pafld he is still part of this football team and in due time he will be back here. >> does he not get the message?

he is hurting? he will be back? is there some disconnect? >> when i was watching it, i thought it is such a disconnect. it comes back to this is a really good football player for them. so i think it is very difficult for some of these coaches or players or teams to be able to sit back and say, i need to forget about everything else. do you know what? you may still be my friend. i may support you trying to get help. but you need to go away right now and we're going to work as a team on our own. you've let us down because you're not here for us anymore. there is a disconnect. >> 12 nfl players have been arrested for domestic violence for 2005. some won their cases, some lost, some are in the courts. why has the nfl been so slow to recognize the problem? >> we haven't had the same outcry. it was easier to shove it to the side and we didn't hear about it. we heard some old allegations

about brandon marshall. when that happened there wasn't this outcry. i don't know if it is the change in social media and the way twitter works, whatever that may be. but there is a louder voice saying that's not okay. it seems apparent this has been going on. not just the league. our society. >> he was with the broncos. now he is with the bears. >> i've talked with someone who said, go of course this has gone on before. it is part of our society. but it is what the nfl maybe does now, we're not even seeing what they're requesting to do now. we can't pre tent it didn't happen but what can we do going forward? >> maybe the only way to do it is the sponsors. some of the biggest corporate sponsors, expressing concern about how the league is handling the issue. do you think any of them will actually pull out of their support for the nfl? and if they did, what effect would it have?

>> there is no way if you are a smart business person, you would pull out of the nfl. we've said this before. i think i said this to you a few days ago. this is a league that everybody is still watching. we're still going to watch the game and we're not punishing the entire league about that. why would i pull my money? if they did, that would be a killer for the nfl in what they make out from those sponsors and what they're getting from those sports. >> you've been watching this. where is this going in your judgment? >> i home it is getting better. i brought this up over the week. if you go back 20 years it was warren moon who was put on trial for domestic violence. and acquitted. his ex-wife didn't want to testify. and you heard jurors say they thought that was the normal thing that happened between a husband and wife. he was accused of choking her. thing that are not normal. i don't know if we've come far

enough as a society but i hope the nfl takes a message here. there is public outcry. if the pend lum is too far one way, they can't keep ignoring it. i think it is a problem. this is roger goodell's league and he has the opportunity to go forward and trying to do better moving forward. they have one chance. >> thank you for your time. still ahead, why is this judge still on the bench even though he was arrested for domestic violence charges. this is much bigger than the nfl. also, key testimony from the office here shot and killed michael brown. we'll go live to st. louis. i'm type e.

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on friday, corporate brian byron dixon was killed in the attack. and a trooper was seriously injured and is recovering following surgery. he is an experienced shooter. his father says, quote, he doesn't miss. over the weekend, police found his jeep off a road, submerged in a pond near the sea. inside, his social security card, camouflage face paint, a sweatshirt and empty rifle and shell casings. >> this fellow is extremely dangerous wex no idea where he is in the community. he has been described as a survivalist. he has a lot of training in that particular area. he has made statements about wanting to kill law enforcement officers and also, to commit mass acts of murder. >> police say this brazen attack

was targeted because of his ann government leanings. and these sentiments are not uncommon and on the rise. joining me, clint van zandt and jim cavanagh, a retired atf agent. looking for eric rudolph and the washington, d.c. snipers. thank you both for being here. >> how long can he hide from the police? >> we would like to think one more day. if you think back to the 1996 olympics in atlanta, the olympic park bomber, eric rudolph managed to evade, hide in the woods swharks similar environment. and he managed to hide out for

basically up to five years before he was an rehenlded. we hope law enforcement with these 200, 300 agents out there, we hope they have an iron circle around the area where they think he is and we hope they can close that circle around him as opposed to having him already he is came from the area. >> you know, his sister spoke with nbc news saying, quote, we're not trying to frequent him. he has to suffer the consequences but he is still our family. he is not a psycho. he was a good guy to me at least. last time my mom talked to him he was happy so we don't know where this is coming from. he is not a psycho? what's your response to that, jim? >> well, he's not a good guy anymore. he cold blood murdered a pennsylvania state trooper and wounded another. he is an anti-government zealot.

we classify them, some of them are members of groups. you know, rudolph was a different duck. this guy fancies himself in survival mode. being a fugitive is not what it is cracked up to be. being in the mountains no, matter how great you think you are as a survivalist, it is cold. you get hungry and you get tired. and your experience you think you have before, you could always go home to a mattress and a hot meal. i would say this guy is likely to strike someone again and i agree with clint. he is after the police. if he can make a uniformed officer, if he can spot one with the presence there, he takes long shot with his sniper rifle, that's what he may try to do. he is most comfortable in those mountains and he was probably.

there he was last known on foot carrying two rifles. ak-47 and a 308 and maybe some food and ammo. he has to survive. any public contact is a risk for him. he has to eat any food. berries get old fast. >> you wrote today that frein may have been motivated by something larger. quote, he may have been functioning as a lone wolf domestic terrorist, programs insired by the sovereign citizen movement. now that's a absolute groos grouping of people with ant-government leanings. they believe they are only answerable to common law. they reject federal, state and municipal law. they believe all taxation is illegitimate and the fbi classified them as a domestic terrorist movement. what makes you believe eric frein might be affiliated with this group?

>> well, so far, so many things we're hearing about him fit what you're talking about. the anti-government, the state police that he is against law enforcement. he wants to kill law enforcement. other friends have suggested that he doesn't like the federal government. he doesn't like any time of governmental rules that color his life. you don't have to be a card carrying member of a group like this. there is no such thing. what you have on this particular group, the sovereign citizens movement is somewhere between a thousand and 3,000 at the very least. many, many more that subscribe to this kind, they cheat on their taxes. they don't pay their taxes. they're involved in fraud and schemes. if they don't like you, if they don't like a judge, they will file a mechanic's lien.

but in the last 12 years about eight police officers have died at the hands of individuals who practice these same beliefs. so the fringe of the fringe can always be dangerous. >> at a police conference today, police called the attack betancourtly. watch. >> this attack was an ambush. our troopers were leaving the barracks and were shot without warning. and really had no chance to defend themselves. it is a cowardly attack. it is an attack upon all of us in society. >> if this suspect is willing to shoot and kill a police officer, is he likely to shoot somebody else, jim? >> he could. he's talked about mass murder. his focus is the anti-government and the police.

he stalked this killing out. he shot that trooper at a distance. i would say that tells you i wants to do it again. the stand-off of a sniper is i can get away and i want to do it again. so the most danger to the fbi, the atf, they're in danger. this guy can bring the police to bear just by starting shooting at some people somewhere. so that's what he wants. he wants to kill government officials and police. he skr indiana the sovereign citizen. they don't want any rules. they become obsessed. they become re-enactors. but this guy obsessed with being a soldier somehow and of course it is a cowardly act. he shoots down someone at a great distance. sniper is an extremely cowardly

act unless it is in warfare where we have enemies in warfare. these guys are just lunatics. he needs to be caught before he kills. >> we are setting this in a real serious context because we're seeing fears about the sovereign citizen movement. popping up all over the country. you know, according to a new survey conducted by a national terrorism research group, the sovereign citizen movement was the top concern of law enforcement. 86% of those interviewed agreed this movement posed a serious terrorist threat. the highest of any group inquired about. we do not know this guy was part of it but it is being raced and invested should cause even more concern. >> coming up, michael brown's

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the ray rice beating scandal has brought a layers focus on the issue of domestic violence. after a national outcry he's been suspended indefinitely. what about this man? alabama federal judge mark fuller. he was arrested on domestic violence charges last month. his arrest came after his wife told police her husband pulled her hair, dragged her, kicked her, and struck her in the face. then she called 911. >> what's going on? >> [ inaudible ]. >> excuse me? >> domestic dispute. >> with yourself and who else? >> i'm calling. i need help. >> what's your name? >> kelly fuller. >> okay. you need an ambulance? >> yes, please. >> kelly?

kelly! okay. she needs an ambulance. i'm sending the police. they're in a domestic fight now at the ritz-carlton. >> please help me. >> judge fuller's arrest got a lot of local attention but check out his plea deal. he will undergo drug and alcohol evaluation. attend a family and domestic violence program once a week for six months. if he does that, his record will be cleared. his arrest charge wiped away opening the way for possible return to the bench. so it raises the question. is this justice? joining me from birmingham, a report he with a.l..com. and criminal defense attorney, she has tried hundred of domestic violence cases. thank you both for being here. >> thank you. >> where is this story right

now? >> well, right now, reverend, there are a lot of calls for the judge's resignation. because he is an article iii judge which means it would take an act of congress impeachment to remove him unless he voluntarily resigned. and this afternoon, senator richard shelby, republican from alabama, has called for his resignation. so yesterday, so had congressman terry sewell. >> so you have -- you have a bipartisan, you have congresswoman terry sewell, you have shelby who is a republican, all calling for his resignation. has the judge responded? >> not that i know of as of yet. >> let me go to you. the incident before the incident

report. let's go right to that. it says the police arrived on the scene them found broken glass and hair on the floor. blood found in the bathroom and cuts in the mouth and forehead of judge fuller's wife. yet judge fuller could return to the bench. he would reynolder judgment on others. >> as he has been doing. the bigger problem is why was not he arrested for a felony? i was speaking to one of your producers about this. and he was so confused why is a misdemeanor ending up as a possible dismissal. but the starting point is that you have a woman who was abused physically, has physical injuries, received medical treatment, there is destruction of property in that room. blood on the floor. why did they not arrest him on a felony? bless you, revv. >> thank you. let me go back to you. what is the response in the community? you're telling me about the senator and congresswoman

sewell. what does the community say? >> our readers have been overwhelmingly for his resignation, pushing for his resignation. when i've read in the comments to our online stories. there is a lot of talk in the community. >> i understand there was an editorial in your paper calling for him to resign. >> yes, sir. our editorial board has asked him to resign. so have other editorial boards throughout the state. >> you know, this is a critical issue. meredith viera got personal on her show opening about her experience as a young woman with domestic violence. listen to this. >> and then there was the night that i, we shared an apartment and he threw me into a shower

naked in scalding water. and then he threw me outside into the hallway. we lived if an apartment building. i hid in a stairwell for two hours until he came again crying. said i promise i won't do this again. and i continued to stay in that relationship until i was offered a job in another state. that's where i felt i had the ability to get away. so when people talk about domestic violence, it is really, really a complicated issue. >> powerful moment. but you hand hundreds of these cases. that's an example of how hard it is for people to get out of these relationships that we would assume is very simple. >> because battered women's syndrome is a psychological condition. it is almost a brain washing by the abuser. i've done this as a prosecutor and a defense attorney. i've had women in my office where i would keep them there all night and lock the doors and

we begged them to prosecute and they won't do it. you have to reverse this psychological trauma that they have undergone for programs years at that point. >> i haven't had a chance at a you can to to you since the ray rice story broke. what do you think? how do you see that? >> it is difficult. i think there are these confounding issues of what roger gerell knew and what the nfl should do and then ray rice. i think the reality is you're trying to interpose an economic argument. the nfl is a business them care about money. if we as a public are so stupid to think that the nfl cares about the players or their wives beyond the money they can make, you know, i have a bridge around the corner to show you. >> we'll have to leave it there. kent faulk, thank you. still ahead, the officer who shot and killed michael brown

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the st. louis county prosecutor bob mccoupling on has extended the grand jury until the end of the year. the jury now has until january 7th to make a decision on charges. and it comes as we learn that michael brown's killer, officer darren wilson, testified before the grand jury yesterday. nbc news has not confirmed this but according to the st. louis post dispatch, wilson testified for almost four hours. so they heard from the shooter. we heard from witnesses. why would the grand jury be delayed? why do they need another 16 weeks? joining me now, attorney and columnist for the st. louis american. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> liz, officer wilson has testified. why do we have to wait 16 weeks for the grand jury? >> we could have asked that two weeks ago, three weeks ago. we haven't needed the amount of

time that has been given to the grand jury to prosecute this case, to seek and bind an indictment. there's no reason for this. >> we know who did the shooting. there is no question that the young man is dead. we know the cause of death. we've heard from seven witnesses publicly saying something. now they've heard from the policeman. why do they need to delay the answer or delay their results? three months. >> there is a political reason for this. and there's a strategical reason. there is not a legal reason for this. the political and strategic reason for this is they are trying to test the resolve and to make certain or to hope that people calm down and the issue becomes another issue. this is about timing. dragging it out. dragging it into winter. assuming there will not be the passion, the furor any of the action that will take place if the nonindictment came down

today. >> the question becomes, as you know when many of us came in. opposition was not to judge where evidence goes but to make sure it is a fair process. this smacks as being totally unfair. the federal government needs to come in. how do you delay something when the obvious is there and you've heard from all sides? >> not only that, let's look at what they've allowed to happen. the police officer has testified according to the post dispatch. now, why is he testifying? now, is he the person, is he testifying first before any of the other witnesses? from all reports it doesn't appear any witnesses have been subpoenaed to come in and testify in front of that grand jury? what does it do if darren wilson gets to testify first. all questions will be attempted to fit into his narrative.

and we have to make sure we remember this, that darren wilson is the defendant. darren wilson is the defendant. what does that mean in this case? it means the defendant got to write the police report. the defendant got to write that. >> and clearly, he is not obligated as the suspect, as the defendant to go in front of the grand jury at all. >> he is not. the only arraign that his attorney would have allowed him to go in there and to testify, and to testify for four hours, is because it is a friendly environment. it is an environment that is friendly toward police officers. that's not a rap against the grand jury. that's what it is. he has been allowed to testify after he's listened to all of the evidence that is going to be put against him. and he is allowed to testify with the blank police report. so it is a perfect environment for this person to go in and testify. and if the frein case -- >> there are no blank police

reports. he has heard what the witnesses are saying. and the d.a. decides what is in front of the grand jury or not. now the d.a. announces, and by the way, i'll going to need another 16 weeks. and people wonder why people like me looking from the outside say the federal government needs to take this so we will at least know what is really happening. this just gives people a sense that the process is not fair. >> this is neither fair nor impartial, reverend. clearly. we're certainly going to be following this and we'll be really questioning what is going on with this situation. thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. thank you for having me. >> one of the things that i think was clear from the beginning is that we cannot continue to see cases being questioned by local citizens because local prosecutors do

things that make people question whether or not they're getting a fair investigation and therefore fair results. we've called on the federal government to step in and take this case. this delay is something troubling. dr. king used to say justice delayed, justice denied. thank you for watching. "hardball" starts right now. the vote for war. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. so we're off to war. for the third time in a decade the united states will be bombing peel in the islamic world, killing muslims and wondering as we dump another payload into the sanlds of afghanistan, iraq or coming soon, syria, why those people down there hate us so. the