good morning, everybody. wow, what a crowd. >> what a crowd. whoa. >> we're in detroit. [ cheers and applause ] >> we're live in detroit this morning. really great to be here. 10,000 small business owners behind us, a few of them. just 14 months ago the story here in detroit and across

national headlines was the fall of a once great city but today we're celebrating a lot of thing here. we're happy to say that's no longer the case in many ways. after decades of rising debt, dwindling population and increasing racial tensions, the birth place of motown and the auto industry is mounting a come back and we're here to celebrate that through good old-fashioned hard work, american ingenuity, entrepreneurs seizing opportunity detroit success remade into a 21st century metropolis and over the next three hours we'll bring you the stories of how that's happening, the stories of the people behind us, we'll also be speaking to ceos warren buff jet and lloyd blankfein. marc morial and dan gilbert will be here as well as mayor michael

bloomberg. joining us on the set is mike barnacle and his white socks which just got a big applause which makes me nervous. former treasury official, steve rattner is here. great to have you steve. former mayor of detroit and willie geist. >> first of all, it's so exciting being back here. we've been coming here for a long time. we said to our friends, welcome to "way too early." why aren't you still in bed? we love you too. [ applause ] but, you know -- >> my goodness. >> mika is absolutely right. we used to hear all the negative stories about detroit. we always heard about jobs leaving, about infrastructure cracking, about racism, about

corruption. i'll tell you what. now it's great news. i was reading in the newspaper a column saying this was a tale of two cities. that means the city isn't all bad. investment is coming in. jobs are coming back. manufacturing is coming back. we talked to some people last night bringing i.t. jobs to this city. it's really exciting to be here, mika, and exciting to be here because detroit is starting to turn around. >> the stories we're profiling are the stories of hope here. a lot of work to be done, obviously, but it's really, really exciting what we're seeing and we'll get to that very soon. >> by the way, i don't know if you saw yesterday washington, d.c. don't look now but bipartisanship broke out for a single day. did you see this? i mean washington actually showed they know how to work together and that's a good thing even if it is only for a day. while the republican house was overwhelmingly supporting the

president's plan to arm syrian rebels the president got together for a chum meeting. the president was smiling. john boehner was smiling. nancy pelosi was smiling. harry reid wasn't smiling but he never smiles. it seems like a push against islamic terrorism was a stronger force than partisan prejudices. you had senators that were shocked that other senators were actually asking john kerry and the secretary of state some penetrating questions. still, good news overall. you know what? that's actually good news that can translate here to detroit as well because you look what's happening in detroit and you see that it doesn't matter whether the help is coming from republicans or democrats or independents. the only thing that matters here is the only thing that should matter in washington, d.c., and that is what works.

what gets people back to work. what gets the city going. what gets the country going. that's what we'll talk about today. >> what gets the job done. so we got a lot ahead. we'll be discussing the different businesses, and the personal stories behind the hope that we're seeing here in detroit. we want to start, those with the headlines, because, of course, that's what we doverry morning at the top of the show. we'll start with nfl because yet another player is facing charges for movies. jonathan dwyer a back up running back for the arizona cardinals is suspected of committing aggravated assault against his wife and 1-year-old son. dwyer was arrested before practice at the cardinals training facility and deactivated from the team hours later. nine days ago on twitter a tweet was sent to dwyer asking why players were not criticizing ray

rice and he said players were not allowed the talk like that. minnesota vikings admit it was twrong initially let adrian peterson rejoin the team. the owner spoke hours after putting him on the league's exempt list. >> we made a mistake. we needed to get this right. we embrace our role in the community and the responsibilities that go with it. it is important to always listen to our fans, the community, and our sponsors. >> willie geist, i talked yesterday about how in washington peace was breaking out. in the nfl it looks like some old men are starting to wake up. that old rich men who own football teams are starting to wake up to the problem that they have in their midst and that's a

lot of players abusing women and in this case children. i think -- i'm starting to see a turning of the tide. what about you >> unfortunately, though, i think it took a video of ray rice, it took children being introduced to this and some big sponsors turning the screws on the nfl and some of the own towers bring this to light. it's disturbing, first of all, when you talk about domestic violence against women but when you bring children in with adrian peterson and also in the case of jonathan dwyer there was a child involved. this is a crisis that's existed in the nfl. people just didn't know about it. people weren't talking about it. now it's out in the open and it's a big problem for this league. yesterday actually some of peterson's teammates disagreed with the vikings defending adrian peterson. listen to this. >> people blowing it out of proportion and, you know, and all this and all that but at the end of the day we can't win

football games and i think football right now for adrian the best thing for him to play football. let out some frustration and be himself. all these allegations, this, and that, he hasn't been convicted of nothing. in crimes and stuff you're innocent until you're convicted guilty and i don't think he's guilty of nothing yet and he should be able to play football. >> that's one of peterson's teammates. peterson's mother standing by her son in an interview with the houston chronicle. she says in part, i don't care what anybody says most of us disciplined our kids a little more than we mean sometimes but we were only trying to prepare them for the real world. when you whip those you love, it's not about abuse, it's about love, you want to make them understand what they did wrong. a little bit of perspective. you can understand where adrian peterson's point of view come from when you hear his mother say something like that. >> to point out an update, nike

has suspended its contract with peterson saying it does not condone child abuse or domestic violence of any kind. >> good for nike. i'll go out and buy some nike running shoes today. i won't run but i'll buy some nike shoes. i'll put them on and sitting while i'm watching tv. >> that's action. >> it is action. mike, it's very important. you listen to some of the people what they say on tv. here's the bottom line, if at our network or at any newspaper in america, or i'm sure at this institution, if you are arrested for beating up your wife and your children, right -- >> so long. >> -- so long. i'll work here and let the justice system play it out. you'll be sent home. in a lot of cases you'll be sent home with pay and sent home

until it's tried. we're talking about billions of dollars involved but it's taken vikings a long time to get where they are. thank goodness for radisson stepping up and defending women and children. you can say the same thing -- it took the panthers a while. they finally woke up to it. maybe, just maybe the nfl and owners are starting to wake up. these billionaires live in a very insulated, isolated life. >> several elements will be interesting. where is roger goodell. is he hiding. he has not faced the press. he has not answered questions. >> this guy makes $44 million a year, how do you run a billion dollar enterprise and you do one interview and do as bad as roger goodell did. they pay him $44 million without explaining. >> the second element is the culture not just nfl but largely

the professional sports. sense of entitlement so many young men who come in to these leagues having been given a gift by god, these athletic gifts. been told they are the greatest since they were 10 years of age and they feel they have no barriers. that's another thing that has to be looked at. the third thing this has to be played out in the draft, if you give owners and coaches the choice between talent and character, they will always go for talent at the expense of character. and this is the result. >> i think that might just change, mika. >> there's a couple of other updates. carolina panthers defensive end hardy is facing the movies charges. he joined peterson on the exempt list. he requested a voluntary leave as the legal process plays out. he'll no longer take part in team activities. you can feel it.

they are now going to act every time there's something. that's good. i really actually for the first time since starting to cover this story feel there's a closing in. >> willie, you know what's so interesting to me, the one team, the one high-profile player that nobody is talking about at least in his town is ray mcdonald. here's a guy who continues to play for the san francisco 49ers, accused of beating up his fiancee who is pregnant. the owner sounds like he's out of the 1950s. we're not hearing politicians out there speaking out against it. gosh in north carolina they moved quickly on hardy. the vikings moved quickly, the governor even spoke you want before the vikings moved. in san francisco nothing happening. they are letting this guy that, you know, is accused of beating up his pregnant fiancee continue to play. >> for the past months and years

there was no reason, no pressure on these owners and teams to do anything about it. they can let them play through as their process played out. now the pressure of the last couple of weeks the 49ers have to do something. nancy pelosi came out yesterday and said mcdonald should not be able to play this sunday. when you have one owner after another coming out and the league finally doing something. i'll be surprised if mcdonald, they are told out, the contrast not doing anything. they will act and use this same rule that got hardy and peterson side lined which is this commissioner's exemption this rule. >> willie, nancy pelosi came out. good for nancy. have we heard anything from diane feinstein or barbara boxer specifically on the 49ers allowing this person, not the letter that everybody signed but specifically on their hometown team deciding to be dragging their feet unlike other nfl teams that are facing this

problem. >> joe, i don't know the answer to that question. i shouldn't talk about it until i looked it up. nancy pelosi was asked about it yesterday and she said mcdonald should not be able to play. as for senators boxer and feinstein, i don't know. i'll check on it. >> i'm surprised. >> i haven't seen them saying anything about this. i haven't seen jerry brown the governor of california say anything about this. the san francisco is so progressive and fight for women's rights. here's an example of very rich, powerful men beating up defenseless women. i'm sorry, is the power of the san francisco 49ers in the bay area so strong that barbara boxer and diane feinstein aren't going to come out and say anything? what about jerry brown. >> they are very good about coming out and saying other things. >> they are not shocked and

stunned that the san francisco 49ers an institution -- mike? why aren't they saying anything. maybe they have. i did a google search yesterday. i did a google search this morning. i have not seen diane feinstein or barbara boxer champions of feminism, supposedly saying anything about a pregnant woman being beaten up and bruised and a player being arrested making millions and millions of dollars twice her size continuing to play for the san francisco 49ers. where are they? >> i don't know the answer to that question. they certainly are around and available for every other agenda item you can think of. >> we'll get more on isis which was our other headline coming up and also to why we're here today. still ahead on "morning joe," michael bloomberg, valerie jarrett and warren buffett are here plus senator chris murphy tells us why he calls isis the

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[ cheers and applause ] welcome back to "morning joe." i know, i can't believe this. [ applause ] >> all right. time now to take a look at the morning papers. willie will help me with that. we'll start with the telegraph. decision day in scotland where voters are currently casting ballots on a referendum. should scotland become an independent country and leave the uk after more than 300 years. >> this is a very close vote. a very close vote. watch out for the scots. they are going to take over the world. >> strong turn out is expected at more than 2,600 polling places across the one with over 4.2 million people registered to vote. the polls show growing support for scotland to become independent. but tissue is still considered too close to call. >> let me ask steve rattner quickly.

steve you have banks threatening to pull out of scotland. is this a head versus heart issue? >> totally. >> for scotland. >> totally. it doesn't make great economic sense. not a disaster. but not a good thing. they won't have access to the bank of england or the uk. it's a hard thing. this is about -- even after 500 years as part of the united kingdom. >> willy geist. >> the "toronto star" this, one we had a lot of fun with toronto mayor rob ford but he has a serious illness he's battling. diagnosed with cancer. the mayor's doctor announced ford has a malignant carcinoma and will undergo chemotherapy. the tumor is rare and difficult. ford announced he could withdraw. he did withdraw his candidacy for re-athletics and instead he'll run for his old city

council seat. his brother doug ford will now run for mayor in his place. >> wow. the detroit news, incomes in michigan are on the rise for the first time since 2007. 2013 mi household incomes rose 2% from 2012 according to new census data. citizens are not seeing the same gains. 17% of residents statewide still live below the poverty level with a .4% drop from 2012. >> division race in detroit, from the "detroit free press" tigers lead in the al central cut to half a game after they lost to the twins 8-4. former cy young award winner david price, a star in tampa has a losing record for the tigers. he gave up five runs and eight higts in five and two-thirds innings.

the royals took advantage of that loss gaining half a game with a 6-2 win over the white sox. what does it took like, mike? the tigers obviously great pitching. should be set for pretty good run in september. >> they've had a tough time. cabrera has been hurt for a couple of months. david price has not performed with the tigers the way he performed with tampa bay. the tigers have to win the american league central because i don't think they will get the wild card, the second wild card because of their record. >> really? >> they have to win this division. >> okay. let's go "los angeles times." >> this is important news. >> very important. i could watch this on the loop for about six hours straight. the tiny hungry hamster is back and this time he's taking on a fierce competitor. tiny hamster became famous when him chowing down bim a big hit.

he wanted to get in on the fun challenging the hamster to a hot dog eating contest. but the former nathan's champ was no match. the hamster ate 11 dogs. and a medal was given to the tiny hamster's neck. look at that guy. not him. he's so cute. i want one of those. >> that's crazy. when we last visited detroit a year ago things, obviously, not so great. no one knew if detroit could emerge from bankruptcy. a year later things are slowly improving with major bumps along with way. >> our own thomas roberts reports. >> i love this city of detroit.

the city of detroit is coming back despite what you're reading about broups. >> reporter: love for detroit runs deep so to the wounds. a year ago "morning joe" came to the motor city meeting people filled with optimism but who have been promised over and over again that things were about to change. >> i've been here 30 years and we've been about to turn the corner just about every year or so. people are now seeing that corner coming in to view. >> reporter: there's a new mayor but old problems. >> when you get elected to office you don't automatically have all the answers. >> reporter: detroit bankruptcy is churning through court. painful cuts to pensions and the legal bill is skyrocketing. but the city is getting closer to closure and the priceless arts at the museum once at with risk of hitting the auction block seem to have been saved >> children and generations

followed will be able to enjoy the great works of art. >> reporter: but problems continue. water department had 90 million in unpaid bills. so when the heat of the summer the city shut the water off to thousands of its poorest residents while keeping it on for big businesses who were behind as well. >> some officials connected to the u.n. have criticized the shutoffs saying they may amount to a human rights violation. >> what kind of government would allow its people to live without water? what kind of people are we? >> reporter: there are some who refuse to let their city fail, trying to turn detroit around including quicken loans billionaire dan gilbert who is pitching motown opportunities to silicon valley. >> we had this, i guess maybe a brain gold rush. detroit is 1914 almost. it is an extremely exciting place. >> reporter: senator rand malls an idea to turn the town into an

economic freedom zone. >> this bill with lower personal and corporate income taxes in detroit to 5%. this is jack kemp's enterprise zone on steroids. >> reporter: there's a long way to go, especially in the areas hardest hit. but start ups are opening up shop. and apartment space in prime areas is becoming hard to find. people are moving downtown. people are moving to mid-town. it's lively. there are young people. there are job opportunities here for the first time in a long time. it's the perkiest and most optimistic i can remember detroit. >> mr. mayor, for 34 years we've been reading about detroit on the decline. there are still problems but talk about some of the positive things that you're starting to see here. >> first, let me indicate that it's not been 30, 40 years because if you take a look at 1994 to 2001, the city of

detroit had a major come back. it set the foundation, set the table for what we're experiencing presently. regrettably my successor got off course and then there were some issues that came up that was not related to any mayor, that is the mortgage debacle, the manufacturing loss of jobs, and the combined initiative that caused a loss, increased loss of population. but we are coming back, make no mistake about it. the sense, the vibrancy, a lot of it through steve rattner in terms of what you did when you were asked to take on the issue of automotive industry. >> we have to ask you not to say anything nice about rattner or we have to pay him more. go ahead. >> in any event what you see today is a lot of energy coming from business people who are developing new businesses all throughout the city of detroit. thanks to the energy from

goldman sachs, thanks to the business people who never walked away from the city of detroit, who continue to invest, creating jobs. >> dan gilbert and people coming back investing, buying low, believing they will say high. we always talk about detroit. we can look at this mayor, that mayor, this senator or that senator, this governor or that governor. the fact is there are historic tides. it swept detroit to the center of the universe during the first half of the 20th century. the fact is in the '60s and '70s japan started coming in, we were caught flat footed not just as a city but also as a country and we got the hell kicked out of us and those are just historic tides. this isn't just all, you know, what's been happening in detroit. a lot of this has to do with what's been happening across the world.

globalization. now detroit seems to be waking up. and coming back. >> one of the vital components, obviously, america's arsenal is detroit. we don't win world war ii without the city of detroit, without all the plants. but the book "the reckoning" takes us back to the 1950s when general motors executives and ford executives were told about the coming wave of japanese imports and what potentially could do to the american automobile industry. they ignored it. what is the status today? what would your view be of today of the health of the american automobile industry versus germany and japan? >> well, certainly on its own the u.s. auto industry is extremely healthy. all three companies are making money, hiring more people, producing better cars. it's a great success story and has to do with the people of detroit and the whole midwest who pulled together, made some sacrifices and decided they wanted to move these companies forward and it worked to everybody's benefit.

>> mika, when he were at the ford plant it was exciting to see ford and turn aw working together. >> yeah. >> as partners. understanding it wasn't going to be car company versus union, that the best way to survive and bring jobs back to detroit, to bring jobs back to america, we get on the same side. >> it was a very hopeful sign to see it from inside the factory. coming up the two sides of the house vote to arm syrian rebels. congressman tim ryan joins us in just a few minutes. up next ron fournier and debbie dingell join us for the must read opinion pages. don't go away. more "morning joe" coming up.

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[ applause ] >> yeah. okay so this was in the pickle factory yesterday. that's valerie jarrett, warren buffett and me and lloyd doing a pickle process. he threw pickles in my face to throw me off. but i still beat him. >> he's a goldman sachs guy. he's competitive. >> we have to do must read op-eds. very excited to have editorial director for the national journal and a detroit boy, hometown boy who is even wearing his tigers tie ron fournier. >> big weekend. >> big weekend. [ applause ] >> and we also have the democratic candidate to the u.s. house seat in michigan, president of d 2 strategies and chair of wayne state university board of governors, debbie

dingell. [ applause ] . >> our first must read is from the "wall street journal" editorial board and they write this. honesty and ground troops. a president at war can survive a military setback but lost credibility is fatal. so president obama ought to be worried that his promise never to put ground troops in iraq or syria is already undermining the campaign before serious fighting begins against the islamic state. few believe him and they shouldn't if mr. obama wants to defeat the jihadists. >> people have been critical of this president on the republican side, a lot of the neo-cons say he should admit he'll put troops on the ground. you've seen the numbers break, supporting intervention, supporting bombing. i guarantee you if the president starts talking about putting a lot of troops on the ground you'll see those numbers go back. i know this may be a shock to john mccain and lindsey graham but you know what?

americans don't want to go to another ground war in the middle east. their feeling is it's their war. we'll help out but if they don't want to help themselves, we'll just stay here and rebuild america instead. instead of going to another nation building campaign, they could help themselves. they are not willing to help themselves i'm sorry i just don't think we're going to have a lot of americans wanting to get involved in another ground war. >> i think it would be a really, really tough sell. so willie geist has the next one. >> willie? >> sure i'll take the next one. warren buffett, michael bloomberg writing in the "detroit free press" what the rest of the country learns from detroit. they write we're in detroit today to setbackate the graduation of small business owners from the inaugural class of goldman sachs 10,000 small businesses in southeast michigan a $20 million program to spur small business growth. the graduates of the program have good reason to be

optimistic. detroit can make a historic come back and that makes it one of the most exciting places to be opening a business. a lot going on there. >> a lot of stuff going on, ron fournier you were tough on both sides. you go after republicans, you go after democrats. be just as impartial looking at detroit. >> i can't do that. [ laughter ] >> all right. talk about what you're seeing here. when you come back home what a change, right? >> yeah. i'll tell you what i see. two faces to the city. i started my day yesterday from the airport, went to my old neighborhood on the northeast side of detroit. and i saw what looks, what has looked like a war zone. there's neighborhoods still that are, houses nearly burnt to the ground, vacant houses, a lot of empty space. space that's reverting to what detroit was 300 years ago. beavers are back in the city. i go to corktown and see the

revitalization. and my daughter raised in washington but lives in mid-town is part of a real exciting -- >> she came back the home detroit. >> actually -- >> your home. >> my home not hers. now her home. she's part of what's an exciting thing of detroit. people coming out the help out. she has stayed. married a local guy and is going to be part of what the city needs to come back. >> debbie, what we had last night was an event that symbolized the positive starting at the grassroots, people starting businesses, making hires, graduating from the 10,000 small business program. it's exciting. >> very exciting. the kids behind us and i think of them as kids -- [ laughter ] >> they are our future. bringing 10,000 small businesses to detroit was one of the best things that i have ever done. i know a lot of people have worked in the industry a long time. i've met people.

i learned things. i saw entrepreneurial spirit that will not only drive detroit but we need to think of this as a region. it's not detroit. ron and i were talking about this that's got to come back. we have a lot of emergency managers in smaller cities around here and we're a microcosm of what's happening across the country. this is what will drive the future of america. >> that's what's so important to think about. when we're here, yes we're here because we love detroit and we've been coming back to detroit for a long time. i'm excited about detroit because if it happens here, it's going to happen anywhere. and i always talk about -- everybody comes on and whines the united states we're in decline. when, no. we have a lot of reasons, ron, to be excited about manufacturing, not only coming back to detroit but coming back to michigan and america. we have an energy revolution. you look at the incredible university here and the universities all around here. teen chinese admit we have eight out of the top ten best

universities on the la net. you take the i.t. knowledge, we have so many reasons to be excited about what's not only going to happen here. but how this is going to be a microcosm for a new renaissance of american manufacturing. >> i agree. by the way, can i mention university of detroit? >> you can do that too. >> just like detroit really is a microcosm for the promise this country had in the 20th century, political corruption, racial division, a new economy. this city will become and already becoming a microcosm for where this entire country needs to go. >> we'll continue this after the break. debbie dingell thank you very much. up next much more on the big developments in the fight against isis. senator chris murphy reveals what he sees as a flaw in president obama's plan. "morning joe" live from detroit will be right back. check out all these airline seats.

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>> probably will be some strange bed fellow moments in the course of this kind of battle. i would be crazy if i sat here and say it will never happen. these are circumstances that we don't always control. >> that was secretary of state john kerry acknowledging that fighting in syria may make for some unpredictable moments. that was in response to some questions from chris murphy. he's with us now from capitol hill. senator, thank you so much for being with us. you obviously, like a lot of americans, concerned about isis

but also concerned about us going into the middle east, making some of the same mistakes we made before. tell us about your concerns. >> i'm broadly supportive of the president's strategy, i'm supportive of putting in more advisers and air strikes. my one difference is the only piece that we're voting on today which is this idea that we can effectively arm and train the syrian rebels. here's the question that i ask kerry that you played a kip of his answer. i said listen what we know is over the last year the free syrian army has been fairly openly collaborating with a group that's a wing of al qaeda. why? because they are the most effective fighters they can partner with in order to take on assad. my worry is that one, we're going to train up this new army to continue to partner with al qaeda, our sworn enemy and then eventually they may look to isis itself in order to form some alliance to fight against assad. we have a vision that we're

going to train an army to fight bogt assad and isis. the reality is that everyone is joining the free syrian army, not to fight isis but to fight assad and they may look to some unlikely partners to do that. >> okay. so that's the strange bed fellows we're talking about here. senator, what are the other options, are there any besides our own troops? >> well, i think that air strikes and counterterrorism operations in syria are probably our best option for the time being. we can work with the iraqis on moving forward with ground troops inside that country but my worry is that while ideally we would like some proxy ground force inside syria, if that force ends up collaborating with the very people we're trying to fight then it doesn't serve our national interest. listen, there's no good option inside syria, first i want to

make sure we do no harm. >> senator, we have some senators talking about the possibility of ground troops saying it's a fantasy to say we're not going to have ground troops. you have the chairman of the joint chiefs talking about the possibility of ground troops. would you ever support putting ground troops into syria? >> i wouldn't support putting ground troops in. a lot of coverage about this has been that the american public won't support this so there's a political reason why members of congress aren't going to support ground troops. there's also a practical reason which is that 100,000 ground troops in iraq didn't work while we were there we were able to temporarily shift the balance of power away from al qaeda in iraq to more moderate sunnis but as soon as we left the sunni extremists became more powerful than ever. we have ten years of experience telling us ground troops, u.s. ground troops in iraq don't do the job and that's why we're trying reproduce something much better. we're trying to create something integrated with our arab

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>> welcome back to "morning joe" here in new york. get you back to detroit in just a second. joining us from capitol hill, democratic congressman tim ryan from ohio who supported yesterday in a vote the president's plan to train syrian reblgs and republican congressman ronde san advertise of florida who opposed it. gentlemen, thank you for being with us. congressman desantis let me begin with you. why do you think president obama's plan to arm syrian rebels is off base. >> i don't believe in this idea of moderate rebels. if you look at them they are

mujahadin fighters. most have worked with al qaeda. i don't they are our friends. their interest is more in defeegt assad th-- at the feeti. >> congressman ryan a fair question. one thing to say we should arm the syrian rebels. bigger question is who are the syrian rebels. >> well, i think a lot of these folks may be folks who have left syria and want to come back. they moved their families to other parts of the world in other countries. they want to come back. and the bottom line is that we need some folks on the ground in syria. i think we got to penetrate syria. we got to start another front in this war. i don't want it to be u.s. troops. we need people in syria. we need to gather intelligence in syria. we can't have a safe-haven in syria. this is a tough choice.

at the end of the day i felt like we need somebody in syria taking on isil there. pushing back there and getting us involved in the intelligence apparatus. syria is dark for us right now. we don't know what's going on there. >> congressman desantis if you agree isis is a potential threat at least to the united states and arming syrian rebels is not the way to go how would you approach it? >> well one i would recognize there's a threat to our homeland with american citizens and people from western countries that have passports and i think the house should have acted to cancel those passports and keep them from being able to come back. two, i think iraq is the primary front. i'm very much supportive of arming the kurds. i think they are a trustworthy ally and i think our interests coincides with them. expelling isis from iraq is the first phase. syria is much more difficult. i don't think the rebels are the way to go. >> congressman ryan the

president said there will be no american troops on the ground, american men and women fighting in this war. general dempsey said i may have to recommend somewhere down the road the president does introduce ground troops. do you have concerns we're opening up a bigger war here? >> well, not right now but i think he would definitely have to come back to congress and there would be a lot of push back from congress from the american people. we spent a lot of money, $25 billion plus trying to get train up the iraqi army that hopefully now with the cronyism gone and new leadership we can stand them abandoning. the kurds have tens of thousands, over 100,000 troops there we can rely on them. the other piece that's getting into syria. i'm not for u.s. ground troops and even come back but he'll have a heck of a time convincing us. the bottom line is these folks at some point want to attack the united states. they don't have a wherewithal now. if we give them a safe-haven in

syria and don't do anything about it it's something we'll regret. if we fail we should fail on the side of trying to have an aggressive, active force that is inside syria pushing back. >> two sides of a difficult issue. congressman tim ryan and ronde san advertise. gentlemen, thank you for being with us. coming up we'll break down today's top talkers including more trouble 0 for the nfl. plus a special musical guest when "morning joe" returns live from detroit. we'll be right back.

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entrepreneurs behind us. we have people behind us that are planting seeds for revitalization of detroit. this is where it all starts. detroit is in the house. [ cheers and applause ] and so we had one entrepreneur come up -- >> tammy. . >> tammy came up. >> from greatly twisted scarves. they are in 400 stores. >> she said you can give this to your mother. or a woman in your life. but, you know, i kind of like it myself. i like it. >> actually what's really cool they are all made here in detroit. >> right here in detroit. [ cheers and applause ] >> you know, by the way, are you guys awake yet? are you waking up? all right. >> the sun messenger will help with you that. that's way to start the top of

the hour. thank you so much. we'll hear more from them because we're here for a lot of ropes but to celebrate the business owners behind us. it was 14 months ago when the story here was the fall of a once great city. that's no longer the case. after decades of rising dwebting, rising racial intentions the bitter place of the motown and auto industry is mountsing a fierce come back. detroit success remade into a 21st century metropolis. we'll bring the story of how that's happening over the course of next two hours, person by person, business by business. >> we talked about it a little bit last hour but we've been hearing for years how america was in decline. i remember when i was in like fifth grade, i remember my fifth grade teacher talking about how america had seen its best days and we were like the roman empire and under collapse because we had vietnam then we

had watergate, we had the oil embargo. we hear this story all the time. and we hear it about america, we hear it about detroit. i guarantee you, ten years from now people are going to look back and ask one question of all those critics and the question is, who were those fools? that underestimated detroit and underestimated america. ron fournier, this city not only rebuilt america, and actually created the modern age, they also won a world war. they are not going to go down without a fight and your hometown is not going down without a fight. by the way this isn't jingoism, this is the truth. reality on the ground the small business owners behind us. last year we were at ford. you got ceos and union bosses working together for the best interest of this city. a lot of great things happening

here. >> this is the city, this is the state where the great american century began. i used to always say if you want to see the power of unions and companies working together, the power of middle class, stand on i-75 on a friday afternoon and look north as all the factories empty out and people go up to their second homes. we lost that. a lot of people lost their second homes, lost their cottage, lost their health care. it's coming back. it's coming back in a dumpbts way. we can't recreate what detroit was in the 1950s like we can't recreate what america was in the 1950s. the new america will start right here. >> joining us on set we have the president and ceo of the national urban league. good to have you here. great to see you last night. how is michele. >> she's excellent. >> we have ron fournier, mike barn cal, steve rattner and in new york willie geist is here with us as well. let's start with the headlines. lot of news to cover. we'll start again with nfl

because yet another player is facing charges this morning for domestic violence. police say jonathan dwyer a back up running back for the arizona cardinals is suspected of committing aggravated assault against his wife and 1-year-old son. dwyer was arrested before practice at the cardinals training facility. he was deactivated from the team hours later. meanwhile the minnesota vikings are admitting it was wrong to initially let adrian peterson rejoin the team amid child abuse charges. the owner spoke out hours after putting him on the league's exempt list. >> we made a mistake. and we needed to get this right. we embrace our role in the community and the responsibilities that go with it. it is important to always listen to our fans, the community, and our sponsors.

>> some of peterson's teammates are disagreeing with the vikings and defending the embattled player. >> people blowing it out of proportion and, you know, and all this and all that. but at the end of the day, man, we came here to win football games and i think football right now for adrian is the best thing for him to do is play fshlg let out some frustration and be himself. all these allegations of this and that, he hasn't been convicted move to thing. in crimes and stuff, you innocent until you're convicted guilty and i don't think he's guilty of to thing yet and i think he should be able to play football. >> peterson's mother is also standing by her son. in an interview with to houston chronicle she says in part quote, i don't care what anybody says. most of us disciplined our kids a little more than we meant sometimes. but we were only trying to prepare them for montreal world. when you whip those you love, it's not about abuse, it's about

love. you want to make them understand that they did wrong. >> yeah. i want to talk about this. a lot of disturbing things about a lot of the news that we're reading here. willie geist, i under we got a response from barbara boxer's office. >> you asked me about the 49ers defensive tact ron mcdonald. he was arrested on august 31st. he has not been charged. he was arrested on an incident inside his home. has continued to practice and play. the 49ers said yesterday he will play. heed coach harbaugh said we won't flinch with this speculation. he'll play and let the process play out. you asked me last hour if senators boxer and feinstein weighed in. we got a response from senator boxer's office. she said quote if it were me i would suspend him in the face of these disturbing allegations. that's a quote from senator boerks. have not heard from senator feinstein's office. nancy pelosi said yesterday that mcdonald should not play this

weekend. lieutenant governor said exactly the same thing. there appears to be a little momentum building. as i say the 49ers have been very clear about their position. said again yesterday at a press conference that ray mcdonald will play. >> you know, i don't understand this. san francisco, again, one of the most progressive places and i don't say it in a derogatory way. no. no. san francisco is a very progressive place and they have pushed and a lot of times been ahead of the rest of the country on a lot of important issues. and certainly barbara boxer and diane feinstein have been champion of women rights. i'm so glad to hear barbara boxer come out and say what she said. i want to hear the same thing from diane feinstein. it took guts of the governor of minnesota to say wouldn't play him. >> where is the voice of the commissioner? >> oh, my gosh. >> the commissioner has to speak

to the public in a press conference. take a page out of adam silver's book. speak and say one, we're not going to tolerate this. number two, if our policies are ineffective we'll revise them. >> why is he not doing that? the guy gets paid $44 million a year. >> he's got to speak. >> they are letting him down. >> he has to restore confidence. >> i think he's a good guy. >> roger is a good guy. >> i like roger a lot. people inside that bubble, that billion dollar bubble i think are also giving roger some bad advice. >> let me just say this. spanking and whooping are two different things. >> two different things. >> people need to get away from this idea that quote i can beat my children until they are black and blue and somehow that's appropriate discipline. those who say quote-unquote it's

cultural they are wrong. those who say it's the way you discipline children in the 21st century. >> by the way, charles barkley said it's regional. i'm from the south my parents whipped me but they never did that to me. >> charms barkley is wrong. chuck, you're wrong. you're wrong. whooping and spanking are two different things. spanking children quote is quote acceptable and supported but when you take advantage and cause injury that's a different thing. >> we're not only talking about the open wounds on the kid we're talking about another 4-year-old kid that actually got beaten up in the car, had stitches over his eye, and i tell you, mika, one of the things that concerns me is when this was just about women, for some reason women being beaten up by guys twice

their size didn't seem to be enough to turn the tide for politicians and the public. it took bringing children into the equation to do that. i think that's very sad you actually have women in some of these cities that actually wear the jersey of a guy who has been arrested for beating the hell out of his wife. >> but let me say this, the most important thing is how can you move on? how can we address this in the 21st century. the nfl is at the epicenter of a larger problem in this country. the national football league owes to the american public, to its fans, sponsors, to all of us to step up and say exactly where it stands and i would like to hear the voice of the commissioner. >> a couple of thing. not only is whooping completely wrong and i'm really glad you went to the cultural aspect of this because it's wrong, causing scars on a child is wrong.

spanking as you said is accept md but it's even still controversial just to -- >> i got to say it was never controversial with my dad. >> i've been spanked with a hair brush on the highway. thanks dad. >> how many people here had parents where it wasn't controversial, where parents took a belt out? right? listen. exactly. we got most people raising their hands right now. i haven't done it. i haven't done it because i'm 6'4". my dad was 6'4" and had no problem doing it. but i never had open wounds or a scar here. it was always, you know, it hurt to sit down for the rest of the day. >> tough love, strong discipline is important. parents have choices on how they raise their children. you got to have boundaries. you got to draw lines. >> let's go to willie geist. willie you have detroit columnist looking at the peterson case.

>> the "detroit free press" introduces another an told this adrian peterson case. his new column is titled "having and hitting kids both issues for adrian peterson." mitch writes in part peterson won't say how many kids he has. he was asked last year by an espn reporter and refused to answer. all he said was i know the truth and i'm comfortable with that knowledge. a man should never in comfortable with such knowledge. has it ever occurred to peterson that his kids might not need his whoopings if they were part of a family unit that followed the same rules with the same parents every day and night. >> they say he had five children with four different women. someone says it could be more than that. >> mike barnacle, you are starting to see people -- i saw the minnesota vikings owners and at this point it's almost like an snl skit where we're really

sorry we should have whatever. it's taking everybody too long in the nfl to wake up to the reality that football fans like myself and you and like all of you out there we're not going sit back and cheer for 300 pound guys that beat up their girlfriends or fiancee s or wives. >> more than a few things going around. one is where is roger goodell. second is with regard to mitch's column about adrian peterson is the sense of entitlement that a lot of professional athletes have not just in nfl, major league baseball, nba. young men who have been told since they were 9 or 10 extremely gifted, cut class, go ahead, that's okay, we'll get you in the game. the other element is the arrogance of the national football league. they are the most arrogant institution in professional sports. there have been presidents of the united states who have changed their speaking schedule

so as not to interfere with an nfl televised playoff game. come on. >> all right. >> look, i agree with everything you've all said and interestingly i worked with a lot of crisis communicators and i'm surprised they haven't sent roger goodell out. a couple of thing. first this is not a new problem. there have been 85 nfl players who have been arrested since 2000 for abusing their domestic partners or other people. it's interesting it's now coming to front. second with regard to that column in the detroit paper, these are broader societal problems. these are not just proximate in the nfl. the arrest records of nfl players 2.5% per year gets arrested similar for the record of men their age in society. part of the problem of children out of wedlock is not an nfl problem. nfl can't solve these problems. it's great to have this becoming something more.

>> i want to amplify what mika said. the idea, the difference between spanking and whooping i talked to a lot of child development experts, they will tell you that the only thing you teach a child even when you spank them the way we were spanked the only thing you teach them is how to solve conflicts with violence. really what we're missing here is a teachable moment and parents should think about if i'm swatting my child on the butt is that the right way? child development experts will say it's not the right way. >> mike, stay with us. >> you know what i do with my big boys when they were growing up, i would always say, you know, i'm thinking about spanking you. let's sit down and talk about that. now tell me what you did. why did you do it. if you were in my position what would do you? i'm going to think about spanking you and i'll get back to you. then like five days later i haven't done anything. a quick spanking would have been

a lot better. you're exactly right. our parents did it. i don't know it makes it right to do it in the 21st century. i'm a 6'4" guy. i made my decision based on it. i'm a 6'4" guy that's not an nfl player. that's what's disturbing about this is big powerful pumped up men. like a small business owner we have back here somewhere that started the gym. and that's what's so intimidating about it. >> that's right. still ahead on "morning joe," michael bloomberg, valerie jarrett, warren buffett and lloyd blankfein will join us. and jobs are being brought back to detroit. dan gilbert joins us next. you owned your car for four years.

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♪ welcome back to "morning joe" live in detroit. i love it. >> let me tell you something. we're talking about revitalization of detroit. i can tell you there are a lot of sports fans in detroit. they are only inned in what's here and that is the starting rotation this weekend in the big showdown between the tigers and the royals.

>> verlander. the tigers have to win the american league central. >> come on they got to do it. >> time to take a look at the morning papers. we'll start from the telegraph. it's decision day in scotland. can you believe this story. voters are casting ballots right now on a historic referendum. the question, should scotland become an independent country and leave the united kingdom after more than 300 years. >> all right scotland in the house too. >> joining us from edinburgh, scotland our london correspondent. kelly, is this really two close to call? >> reporter: it really is, mika. these poll numbers have all shown the two sides neck and neck. we're talking about the four point spread at the most all within the margin of error. the other thing to note here is that polls in this country are historically unreliable no matter what they say when the

actual athletics happens something completely different is your result. so people are saying hey take a look at the polls but don't necessarily believe them. this thing is completely unknown. >> all right. >> kelly, thank you. i cannot believe -- i mean this seemed to come out of nowhere almost. kelly thanks very much. let's move on to the detroit -- >> it is. it's a head versus heart decision, the heart says a lot of people in scotland don't independent, you know. i mean they've seen it. they want to be free. at the same time economically it doesn't make sense. banks have talked about leaving. it will be tough. >> interesting. we'll get an update on that throughout the show. "detroit free press" michigan posted a mixed jobs report in august. the unemployment rate dropped 7.4%. but employers are reporting a loss of 10,000 jobs. experts say it shows michigan's

economy is slowly improving but still falling short of its pre-recession levels. >> here with us now the chairman of rock ventures and chairman and founder of quicken loans, dan gilbert. dan, how exciting is this? what you have been doing is incredible. there's so much energy here. i mean detroit, i think the turn around that you envisioned way before a lot of other people is starting to happen. >> things are going great. this happens every morning when you're not here. >> really? >> it's a part every morning. >> everybody wakes up this early. [ applause ] >> you know, you invested in detroit, you basically bought low. you believe you can sell high down the road. it's because of your background. but also because you know that we always talk about the midwest work ethics, that's not a myth it's a reality. it really is a reality. as we get into other businesses

around the country you start to realize that. you get a comparison. i was born and raised here. until you start being exposed to other places and there's always exceptions on both sides, of course, but there really is a good midwest work ethics. >> the phone is ringing off the hook. >> people in the audience are doing deals. >> you keep going. >> you're doing something. so funny, we talked last night at a reception with some guys that had i.t. start ups and i remember when i looked over a couple of years ago and looked out over the city and said oh, my god if they took all the money they made in the first half of the century and diversified a little bit into tech. that's your vision now. it happens to detroit again. you're trying to take jobs from silicon valley and bring them here. >> it's a small part of it but creating our own is a big part of it.

on the madison block there's 100 technology companies with 500 technology workers and that's just on one block. there's so much activity and as people now for the first time in a long time coming in from all over the country and world. every day we get calls. we got you guys here. we hit a certain level an you guys are showing up. >> nice. pretty big. i mean lebron, joe and mika -- we'll take joe and mika. >> maybe not. so, i want to just ask you a little bit about the nfl since you're a team owner and switch gears here. what do you make of sort of this scramble to get it right. and where does it begin? >> well, you know, it's hard to know what's going on behind the curtain so you don't know -- >> what's your gut? >> my gut is the nfl has to like the nba has at other times and other leagues have been in similar situations with various things that happened and they have to get it right.

i believe they will. you know, i think it will take some time. it always seems worse when you're in it. obviously the kind of things that happened you can't have that happen for any sustainable period of time. it's not good for anybody. it's funny because when you look at the whole population of the nfl or the nba, you know, they are under a -- they are in a goldfish bowl. everybody is watching everything. if you took the same population of age of people, there could be events, not that they are good but it's not out there. other businesses other industries, it's not like everything you're doing is in the public eye but that's part of the game. >> now it is. >> mike barnacle. >> one of the aspects of this and i'm sure you're familiar with it as a team owner in the nba and it affects the national football league as well as major league baseball. it's this. you're dealing in a lot of cases with young men who are 19, 20

years of age. they are in part of their lives they have been told whatever they have done they can do because they have this god given ability to play. it comes down when you draft players how do you measure talent versus character, which is more important? >> you know, when you talk to any of the top coaches or general managers in any of the major sports leagues and i'm talking about guys who have been successful, let's take san antonio, they will tell you there's no compromise on that. integrity, character -- in fact they don't believe you win without that. if you do study, there are studies that looked at that and you don't over time. they may have a flash in the pan for a year, maybe. but i think it's paramount. it's a number one evaluate or. >> people in cleveland are excited about your season coming up. >> we'll be better than last year. >> i think you will. and it's so fascinating, one of

the fascinating stories is how you and lebron were able to sit down and say hey i made a mistake and lebron said he's made a mistake. that's not always easy for team owners to do or superstars to do. it's a fascinating part of this story. one of the more inspiring part of the stories. >> it made sense. if i can back it up. we were with lebron for five years. he was with cleveland for seven. but we bought the team at the end of the second year. we had five great years. we had no issue. one bad night. >> one bad night. going to the finals. >> dan gilbert, thank you very, very much. >> dan, thank you for what you're doing for detroit. [ cheers and applause ] >> coming up, as new details emerge from warren buffett's role in the burger king deal the billionaire investor speaks out about that for the first time in just a few minutes.

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♪ [ applause ] here with us now we have the chairman and ceo of goldman sachs, lloyd blankfein. also with us senior white house adviser valerie jarrett and co-chair of the 10,000 small business advisory council chairman and ceo of berkshire hathaway, warren buffett and former independent mayor, michael bloomberg. good to have you all on board. >> great to have you guys here. >> warren i'll be asking you at some point about burger king. tim horton i still don't get it. that's a deep tease. >> i want to talk to you lloyd because this obviously was an idea of your company a long time ago. we've been going from town to town, done this in quite a few different places. but how exciting a place like detroit where economic revival is starting, that we see behind us the american dream. >> yes.

>> they are fired up. >> detroit is the perfect place to do it. you know, we see this all over america. very entrepreneurial people who are just at the tipping point of success. we're not -- we're finding people who are already terrific who have ongoing businesses and with a little education, teaching some skills, get them over the tipping point and unleashes a lot of energy. >> warren you obviously have been talking about what needs to be done to make sure we regrow the middle class and and make the middle class stronger. why is an program like this so important and politicians in washington start focusing on helping small business owners, entrepreneurs start ups. >> well, these people are helping themselves. they are getting terrific help from educators in the process. really, you know, we got a very positive selection of those who enter.

they have already gotten to point. they have businesses but they are getting ahead and learning things in the course that's helping the rest of their lives. you can see it in the results of the group that have already graduated in terms of adding employment, adding many dollars of a business and the success has been terrific throughout the country. >> mika, if this country is going to continue its economic revival we're going to do it one small business at a time. doesn't matter if wall street is having record setting days. it's not wall street. it's main street that helps us come back. >> that's what this program is about. it really does sort of jump start people's personal economies, helps them grow businesses, it has a 99% graduation rate. after six months of graduating from 10,000 small businesses, people are hiring. people are growing their businesses. it has proven and detroit needs a proven option. valerie, what can washington learn from how this program works in a city like this, which

has its problems? >> it has its challenges but also has enormous opportunities and i think detroit is a perfect example of what can happen when the private-sector, the sisk community which in this city is robust and strong and the government, state, local and federal all partner together. federal government has invested $300 million. last week we announced investing in an incredible rail system that will go through the heart of downtown. but private-sector investments, got a present for you, for mika i heard you were coveting this t-shirt. >> i'll put it on. >> put it on. >> while the mayor is talking. >> joe i don't want to leave you out. i got you a hat. >> that's great. >> i love it. >> we want to thank you for getting out of the bubble and into the heart beat of america and putting a spotlight on what works. that's what works right here

behind us. [ applause ] >> i love it. >> mr. mayor, i want to talk about you. you obviously ran an extraordinarily complex city for a very long time. talk about how small businesses fit in, the type of small businesses that you all are helping to grow here in detroit and across the country. how does that fit in like a revival for a city like detroit. >> every big business started out as a small business. somebody had a vision. somebody put the work into it. somebody didn't pay attention to the doubters. they created something. in new york city -- >> by the way, that's the case with you too. anybody that knows your story knows you only get started in your own business because things didn't work out in a previous business for you. >> both lloyd and i he didn't get hired by goldman and i

turned goldman down. that's the thing we have in common. >> oh, my lord. >> lloyd and i would not get hired perhaps in the fancier firms in this day and age. different skill sets we have from what they are looking for and in many cases they are looking for the wrong thing. in new york city we strifd to create jobs for the skill sets of people that needed jobs. you have to look and see what the objective are. creating jobs that nobody has the skills to do or society doesn't need is a waste of time. but in new york we managed to create the kind of jobs and path lot of people to work sfoop colleges are failing that way. a lot of people are spending too much money to get skill sets that don't apply to 21st century challenges unlike the people behind us here. >> the question is why your going to school? is it to get the skills for a career or well rounded person. we have to have a balance and do both. if you focus on one you won't have the kind of opportunities

you would like to have. >> last night we celebrated one of the 10,000 graduates soon to be here mcclure pickles. we were working the assembly line and lloyd, lloyd jumped in -- >> he won, of course. >> it was quite a scene. ended up with pickles all over my face. so lloyd, stick to your day job. >> i'm competitive. >> he was like lucille ball on the assembly line. >> here's a great example -- here's a story of two guys that took a recipe 100 years old, they started in brooklyn and then decided to come home and build up this business here. and they are expanding. >> yeah. >> look, we didn't creat these guys they created themselves to that point. but at the end of the day they are a little bit topped out they don't know how to get to the next level.

they've few employees. help opportunity. you take a man and teach him a little bit how to do business planning. how to do negotiation. take the business plan that was their term paper. they walk it over to the bank and immediately they get financing. immediately with the finance they go out and buy some more equipment and hire two more people, et cetera, et cetera. it's a circle. >> warren i say all the time that i'm sick and tired of people betting against america. you know, we hear two or three years ago the chinese will take over. then i said this sounds an awful like 1989 japan. i love what you did, when we were at our lowest point in the fall of 2008, you said you know what i'm going to do? i'm going to bet a couple billion dollars on america. you said i'm not doing this to be nice. i'm doing this because this i want to make my shareholders money.

you bet on america when a lot of people were betting against america. will you please tell people that watch this show every day, please tell them just how good things look for this country over the next 25 years if we do things right. >> the luckiest person in history that's been born is the baby being born in the united states today. this country since 1776, everybody has bet against it and made a terrible mistake. in the fall of 2008 it looked gloomy and in three weeks we invested $15.5 billion in american industry. >> all right. >> how did that turn out for you betting on america when everybody else was betting out against. >> worked out pretty well thanks to guys like this. >> so speaking on investing in america let me ask you about this burger king tim horton deal. lot of people are calling it a corporate inversion. does it go against everything

you stand for >> it is a corporate inversion. many corporate inverges are tax driven. but this one fact in all the reporting has been totally overlooked. this figure has not been seen any place. people say burger king is doing this to avoid federal taxes. the highest amount of federal tax that burger king has paid in any of the last three years, highest amount has been $30 million. they are paying 11.8 billion for the acquisition. if anybody would be paying 11.8 billion to save 30 million in federal income tax they didn't go the math course i went to. burger king in the last 20 years has been owned twice by 100% by foreign corporations, been owned by the british, owned by grand metropolitan stores. this is not anything new. tim horton is twice the size of

burger king and like i say 30 million of taxes been paid to the federal government. >> taxes will be lower. >>necessarily. because the tax drivened an versions usually have a bunch of trapped cash overseas or they can transfer intellectual property or something of the sort. well, there's not a lot of intellectual property with hamburgers. >> i would agree with that. >> it's not a case of trapped cash. it's not a case of intellectual property. it's the case of the larger company being in canada. tim horton's earns twice as much money as bubergeas burger king. >> how do you feel about the future of detroit? how do you feel about the future of this country? >> when people vote with their feet, they come to america. detroit is one of those cities that's been down on its luck but it's got a great new mayor. it's got a great governor who

really cares about the city. he's got some fill tlopic people like you. this is a place to go and start. you can get space. you don't have the overcrowding and the competition they have elsewheres. the only thing this city misses is more entrepreneurs coming here. they would help people like those behind us create more businesses, create more jobs. that's what america was built for. that's what we need. >> you and i have done these graduations. this is going to be awesome today. >> i am so proud to be here and have a chance to speak and celebrate their success from not just the program but what they're going to do in the future. >> lloyd blankfein, valerie jarrett, thank you. up next, what role do public

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welcome back to "morning joe," live in detroit. we're at wayne state university. joining us on set, republican governor rick schneider of michigan also with us, president of wayne state university, president wilson. >> president wilson, mika's wearing the colors. >> i got it, i got it. >> does it look good? oh, i like that. oh, extra large. >> extra large. all right, hey, look at this, huh. what do you say? machine. >> i love it. >> it's fantastic. i will be wearing this after i alter is because i'm very

svelte. governor, there's so much to be excited about. there's a lot of challenges obviously with the city. you talk about the universities. a university like this one. and you talk about the growth that can come out of this. ways happening right now? we talked about some of the exciting things have happened. how does bankruptcy actually help detroit move past decades of mismanagement by politicians? >> it's great to have you here, by the way. it is about detroit and the huge comeback. bankruptcy is a help. when you to and look at it, detroit had gone through decades of decline. many things were already coming back. we've got wayne state here. fabulous research, education. the city itself, the city government was slowing down the recovery, so i viewed the bankruptcy as a solution to 50 years of problems. now we hit the reset button. services are already improving within the city. public safety's improved dramatically. trash pickup, new lighting.

so many things with city services. that really complemented the whole comeback. >> there have been tremendous challenges along the way. >> yes, still work to be done. the riverfront, midtown, downtown detroit, you're going to see an exciting place. the neighborhoods. we have a lot of important work. there are good things going on, but we need to pick up the pace there. >> ron, any questions? >> quickly, what do you say to the folks losing part, of their pensions? and how do you handle closing the device that's always been between detroit and the rest of the state, black and white, south of eight mile, north of eight mile? which i think this kind of thing can only increase if it's not handled -- >> right, i empathize with the retirees. the good part is, we did the grand bargain, which is philanthropic community coming with the public sector. private sector people

contributing to minimize the impact. it made it dramatically less in terms of what they would otherwise face. >> it still is a dramatic cut. >> i don't want to underestimate it, but it improved the situation dramatically where they supported the bankruptcy settlement. they actually voted to say let's get this done. i appreciate the sacrifice they're making. in terms of the divide, one question we've had in michigan for far too long, not with just respect to detroit, but it was sort of detroit versus michigan. now we're saying it's detroit, michigan. regionalism's working. we announced the detroit water and sewer deal. that would be the great lakes water authority. those projects were 50 years empty making. they've been talked about for decades, never happened. we're getting them done now, that's exciting. >> are these issues causing you a problem in your re-election? >> i hope people are proud all across michigan of what's going on here.

literally, ask the crowd. young professionals are viewing detroit as the place to be in the country right now. i bet we could hear it from these folks. >> you know, governor, you could not only hear it from the crowd, you could -- >> she's right there. [ applause ] and, you know, she grew up in washington, d.c. but she wanted to come here and be part of the exciting revitalization that's happening here. >> dr. wilson, let's talk about trying to keep the university thriving. >> yes. >> in this climate. obviously today, you are hosting an event that really symbolizes what everybody wants to see happening more in this city. but what are the challenges? >> well, funding is always a

challenge, specifically for public universities right now. but this year, the state of michigan stepped up and public education, higher education got a large boost. after years of cuts. and that's been very, very helpful. so funding i think is a major challenge. but, you know, just in terms of detroit and wayne state, i think it's very important that research universities like wayne state play a vital role. there's no great american city without a great university that anchors it, and we're very proud to be an anchor for detroit. >> you certainly are. no doubt about it. [ applause ] obviously, one of the great anchors for detroit has been general motors. is gm going to be okay? the company that obviously you had a big role in helping revive? is gm going to get through this

okay? >> gm's going to be fine. if you look at the sales during the period, even with the recalls going on, even with the mistakes that were clearly made, consumers were able to differentiate between the cars that were made years ago that had some problems -- >> happened with the culture? >> it was a go along, get along culture. nobody wanted to be the one to say, hey, we have a problem here. it was a pass the buck, very insular culture where nobody wanted to stand up -- >> sounds like the nfl. >> can i just ask one question of these two guys though? without diminishing all the great news, one of the things that struck me during the detroit bankruptcy is you put together something like $300 million of state money. think washington found something like $300 million of money from washington. right when this was going on, we sent $1 billion of aid to the ukraine. so how do you all feel, being in michigan, with the problems detroit has and i think we would all agree, still a long way to go, not a huge amount of money in the bankruptcy program for

investment. $1 billion over ten years. not really a lot. when you see money going overseas but you don't see washington really willing to help -- >> got the water being turned off. >> and you've got the water being turned off in a major city in america. >> what i say is i don't dwell on all those issues because i'm not there to make those decisions. what we've done in michigan, though, is we've pulled it together ourselves of people helping one another. i think that's the message. michiganders said detroit is a tremendous asset and we need to help one another. assistant from washington, there's been some very helpful things. we had the m-1 rail. if you go on woodward avenue, you'll see construction all over the place. i got yelled at by my wife on this one over the weekend. i said, honey, this is good construction. we're going to put in a light rail system. that was with tremendous assistance from the department of transportation. >> i agree with the governor, that there's a lot of things

going on that's good, both from the public sector and the private sector. we're part of a global society and stabilization in the world's important so i'm not going to second-guess the support that we give to other countries, but within detroit, i think we're getting a lot of federal help. >> it is extreme, though, some of the things have that happened in detroit and people have had to live with. i think it's something to keep in mind as we help rebuild and give this city a platform. we want to get to some of the headlines. yet another player is facing charges this morning for domestic violence. police say jonathan dwyer, a backup running back for the arizona cardinals, is ekt s sus of committing aggravated assault against his wife and 1-year-old son. he was arrested before practice at the training facility. he was deactivated from the team hours later. meanwhi meanwhile, the minnesota vikings are admitting it was long to initially let adrian peterson rejoin the team amid child abuse

charges. the owner spoke out hours after putting him on the league's exempt list. >> we made a mistake. and we needed to get this right it we embrace our role in the community and the responsibilities that go with it. it is important to always listen to our fans, the community and our sponsors. >> so, you know, mika, it's taken a lot of these nfl owners a while to get the memo that you just don't play somebody that beats up his wife or fiance or children. the vikings have gotten that memo. obviously the ravens got that memo. missing from that list, the 49ers, whose owner sounds like he's from a, not a different

decade, a different century. we've been concerned about the 49ers association and what's been going on with a lot of the politicians out there who have spoken out for women's rights in the past but are strangely quiet. >> the response to it across the board has been a mad scramble, at least, to get it right, but in some cases, silence. what we have seen over the past few day, is interesting, which is sponsors clamping down. but some stepping up. pepsi released a very thoughtful statement yesterday. they're watching. a few lawmakers from california, you wonder where they are. claire mccaskill has been so great on this, jumping right out in front of this. saying what needs to be said. california's u.s. senators, we asked them about the 49ers situation. senator boxer has led the effort in the senate to call for zero tolerance for domestic violence in the nfl. she also drafted the letter to the league that was signed by 16

bipartisan female senators. and that letter's press release mentioned players including mcdonald. as for her position on mcdonald specifically, in a statement -- >> she had not spoken out specifically about ray mcdonald. we reported that she wrote that letter. we reported that she was part of female senators that did that. but when it came to her own backyard, when it came to actually doing what the minnesota governor did and other politicians like claire mccaskill, she remained silent this morning. we brought it up again. and she reached out with a statement. >> she says, if it were me, i would suspend him in the face of these disturbing allegations. senator dianne feinstein's office also told us she does not believe mcdonald should be playing on the team. she's one of the co-signers of the letter as well. i'm not sure why they keep driving this letter down -- >> they keep talking about the letter, the letter, the letter, the letter. it's a little harder to go after the san francisco 49ers when they're an institution in your

hometown. so i'm so glad this morning they have come out and they've clarified what nancy pelosi clarified yesterday. which is ray mcdonald shouldn't be playing. it's important, is it not, ron fornier? it makes a difference when the governor of minnesota steps out and says, wait, why are the vikings playing a guy that beat up his child. >> let me tie this to ways happening in detroit, both good and bad. we have a crisis of institutional leadership in this country. the public's faith in all our institutions. churches, businesses, the media, politics, government. we've lost faith in. partly because of this. they're not adapting to the times. the nfl is handling this how they would have handled it in 1930. you're seeing it across the board in all of our businesses, including mine, frankly. >> some of peterson's teammates

are disagreeing with the vikings and defending the embattled player. take a look at this. >> people blowing it out of proportion and, you know, all this and all that. at the end of the day, we came here to win football games. i think football for adrian is the best thing for him to do is to play football, let out some frustration and, you know, be heself. all these allegations, this, that, pictures out, he haven't been convicted of nothing. you innocent until you convicted guilty, and i don't think he's guilty of nothing yet and i think he should be able to play football. >> and so now there's some debate over the details over wa what's right and what's wrong. his mother is standing by him. she says, i don't care what anybody says. most of us discipline their kids a little more than we meant sometimes but we're only trying to prepare them for the real world. when you whip those you love, it's not about abuse, it's about

love. you want to make them understand that they did wrong. >> when you got a guy that's an nfl athlete that's as big and powerful as adrian peterson hitting a 4-year-old in the back seat of a car so badly that he has to get stitches, that's not love. >> no. >> when you have open wounds on another 4-year-old's legs, that's not love. i mean, that's a real -- it's a really serious problem. and i was so glad we had mark more yellow on in the last hour saying this is not cultural. i would say to charles barkley this is not regional. i'm not the south just like charles barkley's from the south. this is not regional. this is just wrong. >> it's wrong. it was, you know, it's a little bit of a conversation we had on the show yesterday, which was, you know, a little bit tough on some of the decisions that some have made in what they do, including a singer who was supposed to be on cbs, rihanna. and the lyrics that she wrote. it was the same conversation we

had. a lot of response on twitter about culture. >> how many followers? >> 37 million. >> 37 million rihanna followers not happy with mika. >> it's the same thing, when you talk about how you raise children or what is art and what message you're sending. i think it was a legitimate debate as to whether or not cbs should have pulled her. i think they should have. a lot of people took issue with that and said i didn't understand the culture or her lyrics. >> some people are talking about the rihanna lyrics and, oh, it's a statement, trying to put, you know, put somebody in the mind of somebody that's in that sort of destructive relationship. i can tell you, my 11-year-old daughter and a lot of 11-year-old daughters look at the lyrics and they're not thinking, okay, wait a second. it's sending a very negative message. >> we can have a conversation about art and culture and it can be categorized as art. i mean, absolute -- should it be

on thursday night nfl football? should the person who creates that art be preceding football in the middle of a domestic violence scandal when that person sings about domestic violence and has been a victim of it? >> it would have been a great opportunity to have her speak out. >> i would love to hear from her, i really would. governor, thank you. roy wilson, dr. wilson, thank you. thank you for having us here at this great university. >> by the way, let's hold it up. >> congratulations. >> i love that. [ applause ] >> wayne state university is going to be hosting the graduation that takes place today with these fabulous business owners behind us. they're all graduating. congratulations to you all. coming up, we'll go live to

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♪ ♪ walking down the street welcome back to "morning joe." live in detroit. do you like him? he's 18 months. his dad is one of the 10,000 small businesses standing behind me. he's so well behaved. do you want to do morning papers with me? let's do it. time new to take a look at the morning papers. we'll start -- with our parade of papers. the omaha world herald it physicians caring for the third american ebola patient says he is expected to make a full recovery. officials say dr. sacra's condition continues to improve. though it may be some time before he's released. blood being with shwork shows at of the virus in his system. >> the detroit free press. construction workers are going

to be breaking ground next week on detroit's new arena distraction whidistrict which is going to be home to the new red wings. planning to construct a new sports and entertainment district that includes new restaurants and stores surrounding the 20,000-seat arena. i talked to a cab driver yesterday would said every weekend people are coming to this city for entertainment. that things are really changing. >> great, great news. we'll go to our parade of papers it the "los angeles times." two counties under a state of emergency in california. governor brown issued a proclamation overnight as a result of the king and bulls fire threatening more than 2,000 homes in northern california. across the state, over a dozen fires are raging as more than 6,000 firefighters battle the blazes in areas of extreme drought and high temperatures. >> we go to "the wall street

journal." a new study suggesting that using artificial sweeteners instead of sugar may not be beneficial to your health. >> see, i knew this. >> i've been saying this for some time. you know what, when i have my sweet tea, my sugar shock sweet tea, it's sugar and they're okay. anyway, artificial sweeteners can trigger higher blood sugar levels. more studies will be conducted to confirm these results. wait a second, what do you like? sugar? >> no, no candy. >> sugar and candy, it's all good for you. it's all good. look at me, i'm 6'4", weigh a little too much. >> you stay away from him. >> a lot of sugar cereals, captain crunch, right. >> no. >> that captain crunch -- >> look at his dad, he's going to beat you up, joe. >> come on, come on, man. how old's your son? >> 18 months. >> 18 months. he is the most polite guy. >> do you think he should interview tony blinken right

now? >> i think so. >> we've got some hard questions for you. deputy security adviser tony blinken joins us. >> it's very good to talk to you. a lot concern not only on capitol hill but across this country. even though the house republicans joined along with the white house plan to arm syrian groups. a lot of concerns that those arms that support that money could end up in the wrong hands. what do you say to people in america that are concerned? >> joe, first, it was great to have a strong bipartisan vote yesterday. we had majorities of both parties supporting this program to train and equip the syrian opposition. but, sure, there are a lot of hard questions and good questions. but the fact is this, we've been working with these guys for the last 2 1/2 years. we built up a knowledge base. we have a better idea of who they are, what they're willing to do. now that they have other countries coming in, including the saudis, who also have tremendous knowledge, we'll be able to vet they, identify them, make sure they're giving arms and training to the right people would want in on the fight. these are folks would want to

fight for their families, they want to fight for their towns. they just need help. they need the training. they need the equipment. they need the advising. if we do that, we believe they'll fight and fight effectively. >> mike barnacle. >> there seems to be a swirl of controversy over semantics. could you define for us the difference, as you see it, between the president's use of the phrase combat mission and combat role? >> sure. here's what's important. what we are about is making sure that if we have partners on the ground, we trap train thin them them, advise them and use air support. there may be cases where american advisers would go with some of the forces on the ground. stay away from the fight.

they're not taking the fight to the enemy. they're not being fired on. they're providing tactical advice. mayber there helping to call in some air power. that's the kind of thing that advisers do. that's what we're doing in places like yemen. that's what we'll be doing in places like afghanistan. that is not american forces in combat leading the fight, firing on the enemy, being fired upon. that's what we're talking about. >> but tony, if they are with a group of iraqi soldiers and that group is fired upon, are you saying that the american advisers with that group would not return fire? >> no, of course, any americans, with -- look, we have pilots now who are flying who are at risk. we have soldiers who are at our embassy, at our airport, protecting our people, they're at risk. if we have advisers at headquarters. anyone who is in iraq is potentially at risk. there's a big fundamental difference between an advising role and a combat role where americans are on the ground leading the fight. that is not going to happen.

that's not part of this campaign. the president's been clear about that. it won't happen. >> first, just for the record, i don't understand the distinction still. i think if you're getting fired upon, you're in combat, if you're that soldier. at what point did the rebel troops -- at what point did that flip from being a fantasy to a policy? >> ron, what's happened is, again, the -- over the last couple of years, we've been engaged with these groups. we built up a knowledge base. we have a much better understanding of what they are. what they're willing to do. we have a program in place to be able to vet them, identify them and we now have the saudis who are in on the deal willing to host a training facility. they'll bring their knowledge to bear. they'll be able to help identify these people as well. so there's a cohart program. it's important. because we can do a lot from the air. we can set isil back. we have to hold the territory

that's liberal. it has to be a local force. this has to be local people fighting for their communities, fighting for their countries. foot else, not anyone else. >> i still don't know when you change your mind on that, but i guess that's a different point. when it went from a fantasy to a policy. >> look, i think you're referring to the fantasy was that the notion that had we done this six months -- started to work with these guys six months earlier, that that somehow would have turned the tide. we've been very clear. the syrian opposition, it's not a silver bullet. it's a necessary element of what we're trying to do. it's going to take time to build them up. but if they have the backing, if they have the training, if they have the support from this coalition, we believe they can be effective. >> all right, tony, thank you so much. >> thank you very, very much. we'll talk to you soon about this again. coming up, we're going to check in -- >> he's still so patient. >> he wants everybody to make the right decision. >> yes. >> he does. >> is that what you want? are you concerned about isis?

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reads now. >> okay. >> but we can't talk in between. can you do that? >> no, i gotta talk! i wish it were a six-hour show. you guys still awake? [ applause ] all right. >> a great crowd. >> you guys have so much going on. in the morning papers, it really is amazing. the construction that's going on in this place. you talk about the light rail. you talk about, you know, the red wings are going to have a new arena. i mean, there's so much growth and hope here. >> it's only just beginning. i have some plans in the works for us to come back and do a big event here. >> really? you mean when the tigers win the world series? >> no. [ applause ] >> all right. >> but we'll come back for that too. all right. let's go to the must read opinion pages. in "the new york times," on

spanking and a becausbuse. we reinforce a society supposition that pain is an instrument of love and establish a false binary between the streets and the strap. i take adrian peterson at his word that he loves his son, but the drawing of blood isn't an expression of love. love does not look like that. >> and tony-aword winning actor alan cumming writes, even that pales in comparison to my passion for scotland's voting to control its own future. admonished scots to think carefully. did you think we needed telling, ma'am? this is emblematic. scots feel they've been patronized and disrespected for far too long. somebody actually tweeted me yesterday from scotland saying, any advice?

i said, yeah, don't listen to the promises or the threats from london. do what's in scotland's best interest. whether that's a yes vote or a no vote. i must say a lot of bankers and even the queen sounded very patronizing when they were talking about how the scots could not be grown-ups about this. >> right. >> i mean, let us tell you about your destiny. because we know ways best for scotland better than scotland. this is the reason why the vote's taking place. >> that brings us to business before the bell. let's go straight to cnbc's sara eisen. >> this vote could have ramifications for the global economy. if scotland does vote yes towards independence, that's a huge question mark as to what that could mean economically speaking. for instance, which currency would they use. it's unclear whether they can keep the british pound. what happens if you have a

scottish bank account? are you going to take your money and bring it to england because it's not backed up by a central bank? complicated. so you do have most prominent economists, noble laureates, hoping for a no vote, despite the passion and the independence. they say, look, either way, scotland with the statement, with the fact that the world is watching now, and the fact that it is so close, we'll come out on top no matter what in terms of getting more what it wants from the uk. the problem is, if they say yes to independence it, opens pandora's box for what it means for the economy, for financial markets. people are awaiting the results. by tomorrow, we'll know whether scotland is independent or not. that could be a big test of stocks which closed at yet another record high yesterday. >> all right, sara eisen, thank you. up next, when tragedy rises

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the motown band to steve rattner on his ipad. >> did you see that? >> fantastic. >> everybody here is dancing to the music and steve's on his ipad. come on, man. >> checking the numbers. >> i'm reading about nicole wallace. >> what happened? >> she had an off-air spat with rosie o'donnell on "the view." >> no she didn't. >> what were they saying, fighting off air? >> they said the tension behind the scenes is boiling over. rosie o'donnell and nicole wallace had an off-air spat after clashing on air. while execs are crashing for power. >> nicole doesn't get into spats. >> nicole apparently said that president obama doesn't love people. >> right. >> o'donnell swung back, when kanye west says, i don't think president bush cares about black people -- >> i'm confused. >> we saw this -- >> i understand why you were on your ipad. >> then rosie asks, well, do you

think that bill clinton loved people? >> oh, yes, he did. >> wrong tense, does. >> that's exactly what nicole did. because you know what -- >> that's the definition of love, right? >> he feels your pain. he really does. >> joining us, senior writer shawn gregory. he wrote this week's cover story, which look, at the life of chad stover and asks, is football worth it. shawn, tell us about chad. what's his story? >> yeah, mika, chad stover is a high school -- was a high school football player, junior, last year, tipton, missouri, small town. he suffered a traumatic brain injury during a grahame. he hit a running back's thigh. it wasn't an obviously -- went to the sideline, and before the next play, collapsed, and then

two weeks later, passed away. the stover family are some of the strongest people you'll ever meet. they decided to share the story. they just want people to read it and make their own decisions, you know, parents and kids, whether or not to them football is worth it. one thing they've brought up, there was not an ambulance or athletic trainer at that game. they had to wait nine minutes for an ambulance. and so their cause is -- if we're going to play high school football, should there be ambulances at every game? how much risk are we willing to take? how much protection are we willing to give these kids? >> wow, incredible questions. >> it is a dangerous game. >> at a time when quite frankly the sport is really under scrutiny. >> obviously, you go to high school practice fields now and you'll see, certainly up in connecticut, you'll see the players have protective practice helmets that have rubber or something on there that will help prevent concussions. i wonder if there's any chance,

shawn that that's where we may be heading in high school where you actually wear that during the game. >> yeah, we could be heading that way. one thing on the high school level that's tough is the economics. the small towns. if you talk to state officials and ask why aren't these things required, districts can't afford them is the question you get back. that leads to the next question, should you have to afford them? high school games, kids are strong and there's the same violence going on. high school, according to one study, you have a 78% chance, better chance getting a concussion than in college. so in college or pro games, there's all this kind of medical attention on the ready. in high school, depending on what district you're in, it depends on the situation. it's tough to get that consistency. people are going to have to ask these tough questions. >> we'll be looking for the new issue of "time." great questions. thank you so much. >> the players are getting

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michael porter of the har variety business school and co-chair of the 10,000 small businesses advisory counsel. also with us, carla walker mill, the ceo of walker services. yes, carla, are we graduating today? >> yes, absolutely. >> and the ceo of weldon enterprise global. [ applause ] >> so professor porter, let's begin with you. harvard business school has put out a report that says the economy's only doing half its job. in the good old days, you always knew when businesses did well, workers did well. that's not the case anymore. you've got wall street setting records today. it seems every day. yet on main street, still a struggle. ways going o what's going on? >> that's right, this convergence between companies and high-skilled workers. workers with middle skill, middle class workers have been

going nowhere for decades, and i think that's happening -- >> why is that? >> well, what's happening is we have let our business environment in america erode. our efficiency of doing business, our health care costs, our regulatory costs, have gone against us. and the skill capabilities of our average worker have not kept up with ways going on in the rest of the world. so what happens is if it's very skilled work, it's done in america. we have apple. if it's medium-skill work, it moves off shore. there's just not enough of those jobs being created. >> we need to get those jobs back. that's what this program is about. >> graduating from a program that has a 99% graduation rate. after six months of after graduation, they are hiring. >> they are hiring. >> you are hiring inside detroit, investing back into this city. want to hear from both of you

briefly. i understand your father was your inspiration. >> absolutely, absolutely. my father said always built on a hill. he worked three jobs. >> on a hill? >> on a hill. he had a day job, a night job and a weekend job. so my work ethic is from him. he didn't get very far, as hard as he worked. so i feel like he was the hill that i'm standing on. >> oh, wow. >> and goldman has just elevated us a bit higher as a result of what we've learned in this program. >> the program has taught you how to hire, not just hiring. >> oh, absolutely. again, we were hiring on skill sets. when we release people, it was more for emotional intelligence issues or attitude, behavioral. >> right. >> so they matched our hiring practices with our needs. our real needs. >> the program takes you to what level? to what next level? >> it's already taken us to the

next level. in the program, we developed a growth plan that is now expanding me that a new offering. and into new markets like aerospace and government. for us, we're looking to double our revenues next year and our staff, along with -- we've already earned four new contracts and renewed a five-year contract. >> wow, that's amazing. >> last night, you talked about their plans for the future. it's just explosive growth. >> last night, formerly of bloomberg and deputy mayor of new york, gave a speech to about 120 detroit ex-pats who are in town, including myself. he said the good will investment is going to dry up eventually. and the media narrative that detroit's coming back eventually will switch to lost opportunity. that we have to take advantage of this moment. and bring in more people that will buy those goods. he talked about small things that needed to be done to create

a big city. what do you think needs to be done? >> there's lots of little things that make businesses successful. we have every reason to be optimi optimistic. these are incredible companies. small business growth is alive and well in urban america. we have amazing talent in all our communities. with management thinking, with the ability to access capital. with the kind of skills they need to get into the network so they can get those clients and those revenues in. this program i think is so powerful because it's actually showing how you can do that. >> michael porter, thank you, carla walker miller, thank you. if i come back, will you join me? i've got a plan for you. >> absolutely. >> okay. up next, what, if anything, it we learn today? ♪ ♪

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all right, welcome back to "morning joe." time to talk about what we learned today. >> i learned that the city that i've now been coming to for five years has a spirit and a can do attitude and desire to succeed that will overcome all the obstacles. >> mika, what have you learned? >> i learned we're coming back.

>> yeah, we're coming back. whoo. >> mike. >> i learned that 100 years ago, a guy by the name of henry ford showed how people could buy a car, affordable cars. that continues. i also learned, again, that the arsenal of democracy helped america win world war ii and when detroit prospers, america prospers. >> i learned for the first time in my lifetime, white or black, there is hope in this city again, real hope. >> hope for the city again. all right. by the way, graduation day. congratulations, guys. amazing. amazing. we love it. we're so proud of you. >> if it's way too early, what time is it? >> if it's way too early, it's morning. time for "the daily rundown" today with peter alexander. good-bye from detroit, heart of rock and roll.