senate hearings yesterday and tuesday. also, they'll take up the request to arm and train syrian rebels in the battle against isis. a vote late this afternoon. yesterday, the house voted to approve that plan, but there was significant opposition among members of both parties. nbc news capitol hill correspondent kelly o'donnell joins us live. let's talk about some of the opposition we saw in the house from both sides. >> reporter: absolutely, tamron. there's significant opposition, but not enough to hold the measure back. the real lines fall on issues to predominantly democrats saying the u.s. has seen this movie before, there shouldn't be a military operation with an unknown outcome at this time, and without more international partners, some of what democrats were talking about. from the republican side, questions about effectiveness of strategy, doubts about the president's ability to carry it

out, how thoughtful the plan is with respect to issues like are there enough international partners, and even the prospect of having potential ground forces, not the kind of traditional conventional ground forces we saw in the iraq war, but some on the republican side saying use of special forces and elite smaller units that might be necessary. questions and concerns about that. so there are real questions about this plan, how effective it will be, and what the outcome might be when there are so many factors the u.s. can control. this is a hot issue. at the same time, the house did pass it. today the senate has to consider it. and one difference is that the senate will merge the two issues, the syrian training authorization and money to keep the government, our government open through beginning of december, putting those two together. why is that significant? because keeping the government open is one of the must pass issues, making it harder for people to have sort of an

opposition to the syrian peace with risk of looking like you voted to shut down the government. it is a political moment that makes it more difficult for those in the senate who might have doubts and questions about this. so the expectation is it will pass, but with a lot of serious questions, a lot of misgivings from both parties. >> and let's talk about the hearings we are waiting to start soon here. are we likely to hear, kelly, or learn anything different than we did on tuesday and yesterday? >> one thing that's interesting is this is happening in sort of real time, as the country is learning about these issues and policies from the white house. and we are seeing the president again say no u.s. ground forces at a time when generals have raised the question and there is reporting to suggest generals recommended some ability to have small ground force on the ground in iraq to assist with these air strikes. so that allows for the hearings

to give us an update each day. you have secretary of defense and both former senators who know how it works on the senate side well. on the house side, tends to be more volatile. this could be must viewing for people interested in seeing where is the debate now, and where is the policy. notably, secretary of state john kerry hasn't been able to discuss who are international partners and what will they do. will any of them put troops on the ground, and without knowing that information yet in advance of united nations meetings coming up, a lot of members have serious questions. >> thank you very much, kelly. appreciate it. australian authorities foiled a chilling isis plot to seize random people on the streets of sydney and publicly behead them. nearly 1,000 police officers fanned out overnight to conduct the raids. at least 15 suspects were detained. australia prime minister says

counterterrorism police intercepted a phone call two days ago between one of those arrested and an alleged isis leader, based in the middle east. >> exhortations, direct, coming from an australian who is apparently quite senior in isil to networks of support back in australia to conduct demonstration killings here in this country. >> joining me now, analyst evan kohlmann. thanks for joining us. some perspective when we hear this is the largest terror raid in australia, is this a runoff? how do you process this. >> we have seen this before. in the u.k., two different plots are similar. one failed plot the british were able to intercept. a group of individuals were going to behead an army soldier for retribution in iraq.

and lee rigby, the unfortunate soldier attacked last year in london. how serious is this? is this representative of larger threat, unfortunately it is. we have to go to the root of the problem here. the root of the problem is not what's going on in syria, per se, it is the fact that there's a senior member of isis who is australian and calling back home and encouraging people to come to australia, to come to syria and iraq to fight there, to get training there, and of course to carry out acts of violence at home. we are seeing it in belgium, in france, seeing it elsewhere in europe. it is a serious problem. >> let me play what the homeland security security secretary said on the rivalry between the terror groups like al qaeda and isis, increases chance of a terror attack in the united states. here is what he said. >> these groups are in competition with one another for attention, for fund-raising, for recruitment, and and one way to compete is to show that you're the biggest and baddest group

out there. >> when you think about those comments made and then this wave of arrests in australia where the plot was to pull innocent people off the street and behead them in public, it fits into what secretary johnson was saying. >> he is making a good point here, because i think a lot of people when they talk about isis now, the mantra is well, they're not really a threat to us here in the u.s. or other western countries, they're mostly focused on what's going on in iraq and syria and not like al qaeda, and that overlooks a key issue here, which is these folks realize to galvanize support and recruits, the number one thing they can do to do that is not to launch attacks in iraq and syria but to launch attacks here in the united states or other western countries. that's what's going to galvanize recruits. that's what's going to push dozens of other westerners to join them. we have to recognize that, that there is a competition between al qaeda and isis. both groups would like to strike at the u.s. and if either one of these

groups can launch attack against the u.s. or another western country, that's a huge bonanza in terms of propaganda, and elevating their agenda. we have to take that very seriously. they see that as well. >> how do we factor that into what kelly o'donnell reported, and we will talk about this with congressman brad sherman who will join us in a second, part of the committee questioning secretary kerry today, in that you don't have arab nations now saying we will put those troops on the ground, that you need. richard engel made the point that turkey again in a very difficult situation as isis holds some of its diplomats hostage, at any moment could send a message with killing those individuals if turkey does more. >> diplomatically, makes perfect sense to get the cooperation of arab partners in the region. realistically, does not look like that is something that can happen very easily, and just look at the facts. >> what needs to happen for that. >> a lot of things. >> i know.

>> there are rumors in the last few days there were a bunch of u.n. peace keepers taken hostage in syria, official's official faction in syria. one of our new partners, qatar, paid $20 million to get these peace keepers released. it is great, the peace keepers are released, but we paid al qaeda $20 million. these are the partners we are talking about working with. that's the problem, that these folks don't necessarily have the same agenda that we do. they do not necessarily have the same things at stake that we do. their decision-making process is not the same as ours. their priorities are not the same as ours. we try to get other people to do our business for us, we are essentially hitching our truck to their agenda, and we have to be very careful here. the fsa and other groups may not be as bad as isis, may be palatable partners in some ways, but none of them are perfect. all of them have their own agenda, not the same as the

united states. >> thank you very much, evan kohlmann. brings me to our next guest, congressman brad sherman of california, senior member of the house foreign affairs committee. secretary kerry will appear before in about 20 minutes. thank you for your time. >> good to be with you. >> not sure if you heard all of what our terror expert evan kohlmann just discussed, but one of the concerns is the arab partnership that secretary kerry will likely be questioned about today, regarding boots on the ground, and the agendas, the many agendas as evan points out could be at play that don't necessarily work to benefit of the united states. what do you need to hear from secretary kerry today? >> well, everybody is looking for perfection. we should have perfect partners, we should immediately destroy isis completely with no casualties. and i would prefer to hear from everyone, but especially the secretary, the real facts, which are we are in a dangerous world. it is going to continue to be a

dangerous world. you're going to have to do business with people you don't like. you're going to have to risk casualties both in the middle east, you're not going to be perfectly safe in the united states, although we're going to be struck by lightning is still going to be a danger as well, a danger that may be just as great as that of losing your life in a terrorist attack. but there's this pressure. where's the perfect plan? where's the perfect partner? where's this perfect way to have perfect safety with no casualties and no cost, and i don't think -- i think there's a lot of pressure on our leaders to promise such a thing and i don't think it exists. >> with that said, yesterday the president reassured the american public before a number of troops in florida that there will be no boots on the ground. for many, that's a perfect and complete statement because that's what they want to hear. with that said, unless he

reveals today, secretary kerry has not said which arab partners will put troops on the ground. what do you say to that? >> i think we will have some support on the ground, but we will not achieve the total, immediate destruction of isis without boots on the ground and i don't think that the american people want to see hundreds of deaths and thousands of wounded soldiers coming back in order to totally destroy isis on the timetable we prefer. we have got to device an imperfect strategy that balances the costs and risks with the objectives. we can't achieve our objectives immediately without costs we are unwilling to pay. >> with that said, again to the original question, what is it specifically that you need to hear from secretary kerry today to support the plan as it stands to aid and equip the free syrian army and attempt to pull in arab

partners? what do you need specifically to hear today to be confident in at least this beginning of a plan? >> i support the plan, and i am definitely not confident that the exaggerated goals of so many appearing on tv can be achieved. i think that if we carefully vet certain syrians, that will be helpful. our other efforts will be helpful. the president's plan is the best plan available taking costs into consideration. so i don't have to be sold on the plan. what i have to do is make sure it is not sold to the american people as a pan see a. there is no panacea. >> thank you for your time. greatly appreciate it. we will continue to monitor both isis hearings on capitol hill and bring you secretary kerry's comments as soon as it begins. coming up next, arizona cardinals running back jonathan dwyer is out on bond after his domestic violence arrest.

the latest nfl player to be deactivated. meanwhile, the minnesota vikings are practicing after adrian comes to his defense, saying quote, when you whip those you love, it is not about abuse. i'll talk with michael eric dyson, just wrote an op-ed about child abuse versus discipline in the black culture. so many of you already have been tweeting me about his op-ed. michael will join us live to set the record straight on what he was thinking. join the conversation online, which you have already done. @newsnation. follow me on facebook, twitter, instagram @tamronhall. arrives ag good, but her knee pain returns... that's two more pills. the evening's event brings laughter, joy, and more pain... when jamie says... what's that like six pills today? yeah... i can take 2 aleve for all day relief. really, and...

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jonathan dwyer has just left jail after becoming the latest player to be accused of domestic violence, making it all but impossible for the league to put the scandal behind them. the nfl says it is now evaluating dwyer's case under the personal conduct policy, following his arrest yesterday afternoon. dwyer is facing aggravated assault charges that stemmed from an incident at his home in july. the victims are a woman that lived with him and their 18 month old son. >> the allegation is on the 21st, there was a physical altercation. on the 22nd, when they were together again, there was a second physical altercation. on the second incident, which was on july 22nd, that after she was physically assaulted, he took a shoe and threw it at their 18 month old child. he admitted the incidents occurred, however has denied he has physically assaulted the victim in this particular case. >> the quote is given the

serious nature of allegations, we have taken the immediate step to deactivate jonathan from team activity. some of adrian peterson's teammates are coming to his defense and his mother speaking out in an interview in a houston newspaper in which she says, quote, when you whip those you love, it is not about abuse but love. joining me now, kate fagan, columnist for espnw, serving women and athletes, and michael eric dyson, professor of sociology at georgetown university, also an msnbc analyst. thank you for joining me. kate, i'll start with you. people ask where is roger goodell, missing in action some said. you also now have the promise by ultraviolet, an organization concerned with women's issues, who had the good-bye or goodell

banner saying he must go. >> he has all but disappeared the last few days. the leadership void at the top for the nfl is pretty staggering. he hasn't really since appointing the three female advisers and elevating another female to social responsibility, he hasn't stepped forward and delivered a plan of action about how the nfl is going to handle this, which is the biggest crisis they have had in the history of the league, and we see the biggest news with dwyer, the hits keep coming, and also this is an issue that the nfl faced for years. 56 players have been accused of domestic violence, and to this point, only served 13 games missed. >> great point that you make, many people process this as a sudden wave of issues for the nfl, when meanwhile, this has been going on, and beyond domestic violence, there are incidents of arrests, of violence in bar brawls, to other incidents of allegations of

being tied to murders. this is not an overnight problem for the nfl, which is why they seem to be stunningly falling over themselves in handling it. >> we haven't paid attention to it. these things have been happening for years and years. we heard last night the panthers gm, they have the greg hardy case, another player accused of domestic violence, they said we're doing the best we can, we're doing what we think is right. part of the problem is that the nfl has not known what is right until this very moment. right to them has been do as little as possible, keep the player on the field because nobody cared about this issue. so there's a huge course correction happening for them here, and they are activating, deactivating, don't know what to do. they're in reactionary mode and roger goodell at this point has not been a leader that they need. >> speaking of reactionary modes, let me bring you in, dr. dyson. a lot of people reacted to the op-ed you have in the "the new york times," punishment or child abuse. your op-ed comes at a time when adrian peterson's mother sat down with houston chronicle, standing by her son as many

would expect, and writes in part i don't care what anybody says. most of us discipline our kids a little more than we meant sometimes, but we were only trying to prepare them for the real world. when you whip those you love, it is not about abuse, it is about love. you want to make them understand that they did wrong. and you have a number of people online, many have identified themselves as african-american, you have some celebrities that are african-americans, all come out and said this is what happened to me and i turned out just fine. you take that on in this op-ed. >> absolutely. because the reality is this. to say you came out fine, you could be fine if you've got attempt on your life, but you turned out fine. you could be fine if somebody tried to stab you, but you turned out fine. just because you turned out fine, and that's open for debate, the reality is you don't want to sangity fie, legit mate bad stuff done to you. this is a pathology we failed to address at african-american people. we are highly sensitive, because

in the white corporate media, african-american people become the face for tragedy and trauma deeply entrenched in american society. i get that point and am sympathetic. at the same time, doesn't excuse abuse of children or women. the reality is we have to step to the plate and acknowledge this. adrian peterson's mother is going to defend it, her behavior may have led to him doing what he has done. his behavior may lead his children to do what's been done to them. when does the cycle stop. when do we interrupt it and say it is wrong. >> you bring up the cycle and talk about slavery, hit a nerve with a lot of people. first off, explain why you believe there's a link there. >> well, look, black people were beat and hit in slavery. we were reprimanded, whipped, lashed. then some slave parents, especially women, had to beat their kids in front of the slave master to prove that they could go along with the slave master's intention to keep them from being rebellious spirits, so

that's a horrible situation that african-american people were placed in, but as a result of that, we began to absorb that collectively speaking that kind of practice and from then on, we have reproduced it. let's be real. one of the reasons many african-american people beat their kids is to prevent them being beat by the master worse. one of the reasons we beat kids so severely now is we don't want the police to hurt them later because they've sassed them. they said something that's wrong. so instead of approaching the police to make sure they don't kill our kids, we of course feel the only power we have is to make sure our kids are behaved correctly. now, i understand that and i am sympathetic to that, how about speaking to them, how about taking things from them that they need, that they want. how about time out. black people believe time out is when you knock them out, they wake up, and you had time out. i am telling you, we have seen the devastating consequences of this kind of criminal punishment of our children. when we look at the black on black crime, when you look at the hate we have for each other,

look at the despising of each other, let's not talk about through the gaze of white supremacy, reproduction of the pathology of our own self hatred, what we have done to each other. it is serious enough to deal with. >> you cite a black psychiatrist william h greer that wrote black rage, there's examination in 1968 of the psychology of black life. they said beating in child rearing actually has its psychological roots in slavery, and even yet black parents will feel that just as they suffered beatings as children, it is right their children be so treated. this is a study from a psychologist, not just you spousing your opinion. you also bring what i noted online, a lot of people pulling religion, say the bible says spare the rod, spoil the child. you comment on that. >> i am glad you said that. first of all, that isn't from the bible. spare the rod, spoil the child is from a 1664 poem by samuel butler, which was intending to

really ridicule the puritans. get your bible stuff right, y'all. secondly, stop quoting the bible out of context. that word rod is same as thy rod and staff comfort me. they're meant to guide sheep, not beat them. punishment is one thing, it is to exact revenge as a result of my disagreeing with your opinion. discipline is from a teacher to student. let me encourage you to learn, let me give you values that will help you. we have to distinguish between punishment and discipline. yes, children should be disciplined, but they should be disciplined in a loving fashion. here is the thing. if you're so for corporal punishment, try it yourself. let your kids take a switch, beat your behind. let you be subject to the same process of reproach. i think then we would understand, this is a physical intimidation that leaves psychological scars, that is a

terrorizing, traumatizing consequence in our own lives, and we've got to be honest about it, stop being defensive, saying god told me to do it. stop getting god to co-sign your bigotry against your own kids and wives and the abuse. we see it. look at the nfl, don't want to scapegoat them, it happens across the board, but look at the violence legitimately directed against women, but women's lives don't count as much. children's lives don't count as much as men's lives. men have to step up to the plate, look in the mirror, see what we are doing is destructive not only to ourselves but to the family. >> thank you so much. hope to have you on again. greatly appreciate it. right now, we are monitoring two hearings on capitol hill regarding isis, on the left, defense secretary hagel about to testify before the house armed services committee. on the right, secretary kerry will testify before the house foreign affairs committee in a few minutes. as soon as kerry speaks, we will bring you those important comments live. the search area expands for the man wanted in the murder of

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we heard a lot of information in the past few days in separate hearings. to her point, this is up to the minute information that perhaps the lawmakers and the american public will get from these two leaders. >> it is the democratic process, checks and balances that you end up having with the executive branch comes, here is the military plan and strategy. members of congress, trying to ask questions, get answers. we have seen it on capitol hill for the past couple days. when you talk about the authorization that the senate is taking up, it was interesting that yesterday's house passage was such a strange bed fellows alliance. you had on the yes column for authorizing, training syrian rebels, had john boehner and nancy pelosi, respectively republican and democrats, in agreement, something you rarely end up seeing. on the other hand, you had some interesting no votes. michele bachmann, conservative republican congresswoman, liberals like elijah cummings

and charlie rangel in opposition, too. national security issues, war issues sometimes bring out more ideological diversity and surprises than you normally get on capitol hill. >> absolutely. we're getting this information in, mark, associated press is reporting that french president agrees to iraqi request for air support against islamic state group there. we are seeing i believe australia earlier in the week as well pledging air support. >> for the obama administration, more countries that go in, more that have stakes in this, that's what the obama administration wants to be able to see. they don't want to have to do this alone. certainly the ground troop component can't go alone. the united states, president obama yesterday ruling out any type of u.s. ground soldiers, so the question becomes who will be providing ground troops. we know the administration wants to arm the syrian rebels on one hand. also want a more active iraqi

army. want the kurdish to play a role. what other arab countries will step up, provide ground forces. that's one of the strategy's biggest questions remaining. >> thank you very much, mark. appreciate it. in scotland, millions of voters are deciding if they want independence from the u.k. the latest poll shows a nation divided over what's at stake. >> aye for yes. >> it is wrong. >> coming up, a live report from the u.k. and final hours of voting there. and new calls for a federal judge in alabama to step down after he was arrested, accused of assaulting his wife, but the only way to remove him is impeachment. the question is will congress act? it is the news nation gut check. . an unprecedented program that partners businesses with universities across the state. for better access to talent, cutting edge research, and state of the art facilities. and you pay no taxes for ten years.

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developing now, secretary of state john kerry is about to speak before the house foreign affairs committee regarding the

obama administration plan to fight isis. you see there secretary hagel in a separate hearing that we are following as well. meanwhile, let's move on to quickly developing story. a pennsylvania trooper shot and killed outside his barracks is being laid to rest. funeral services for corporal byron dixon are being held in scranton. the multi state manhunt for the man suspected of killing him is intensifying. police released a new picture of freen, seen dressed in eastern european soldier uniform, what appears to be a replica type. police say he belongs to a war re-enactment group. he is considered a federal fugitive. state police warn that he is armed and dangerous. >> in the event you are listening to this broadcast on a radio, on port rabl radio, cowering in a cold, damp hiding place, i want you to know one thing, eric, we are coming for

you. it is only a matter of time until we bring you to justice for committing this cowardly act. >> joining me, clint van zandt, former fbi profiler. clint, it should be noted the state police in their comments say cowering in a cold, damp hiding place, this guy has survivalist skills, has been training to live on the land it seems from what his family and people that know him have reported. that's why he believe he may be hiding somewhere in the woods. >> yeah, tamron. you have to realize he's had at least a three day head start, from the time he allegedly shot the two troopers until his vehicle was found in a small holding pond with all of his id inside was three days. he had a long time to get out of the woods to hide someplace, supposedly hauling a couple of rifles, maybe survival supplies. but if this guy planned it, if he planned on shooting troopers, planned on leaving his car with the id, so people would know what he did, he also probably either had an escape plan to get

away from the area or has multiple hiding spots in the woods and the forest, that's going to make him very hard to find. >> hard but as you heard the state police say, they don't believe it is impossible. what else do we know about his background and including as i mention this photograph released of him wearing an eastern european soldier uniform. >> yeah. this is someone who has been a re-enactor around me where i live in virginia, civil war re-enactme re-enactment. in his case, a post cold war re-enactor, playing the part of some eastern european soldier. you see pictures of him carrying an ak-47, one of the weapons he allegedly is supposed to have with him now. tamron, there's an issue here, you have somebody that played this role so long, who supposedly hates the government, doesn't like state police, wants to kill people. i think he may have combined all of those together in his mind,

and now he's playing this terrible role of a soldier, he cut his hair like an eastern european soldier and is fighting against who he thinks is the enemy perhaps, the state police, because they're in uniforms, they carry weapons, too. this may be part of what's going on in this guy's mind. >> thank you very much, clint. and this manhunt continues. our thoughts are with the family who is laying their loved one to rest today as a result of this crime. thank you. we are following developing news, capitol hill, where secretary john kerry is about to speak before the house foreign affairs committee about the obama administration plan to fight isis. as soon as he begins remarks and starts to answer questions, we will bring those comments live. be right back. well, did you know that playing cards with kenny rogers gets old pretty fast? ♪ you got to know when to hold'em. ♪ ♪ know when to fold 'em. ♪ know when to walk away. ♪ know when to run. ♪ you never count your money,

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london. but there are many questions about the economic consequences, big banks threatening to move if scotland breaks away, and the issue of all of the u.k. oil pumped from scottish waters. scotland public opinion is evenly split. >> aye for yes. >> we are not british, we are scottish. >> if it goes wrong, we will live with that forever. >> my wife is english, a definite no. >> are you still talking? >> yeah, just. >> jim maceda is following that vote from london, it will go down to the wire. it is so interesting, jim, to follow the track of this. it has been going on for two years, but the last month or so has been incredible. >> reporter: absolutely incredible. you can call this decision day in spades. the polls close in about five hours in scotland tavern. as many as four million paper, repeat, paper ballots will be counted overnight. by the time skots and britains

wake up friday morning, they will have learned the fate of their respective countries. it is way too close to call for even polsters. emotions deepening on both sides, even between friends and family members, split over how to vote. they're aware of the fact that this is not a rehearsal, this is something, a decision that could last for generations. >> jim, thank you. i have to take you to breaking news on capitol hill. secretary kerry started his remarks. >> because i have to be at the white house for the meeting with president poroshenko, so i'm going to try to really abbreviate, keep my answers short, but i also want to be sure i answer them, your questions sufficiently. you know, for more than ten years iraq has been a source of debate and some disagreement obviously up on the hill in the country. i think we'd waste time today to

focus rehashing past debates, when the issue that confronts us is really straightforward and one on which we ought to all agree. isil has to be defeated. plain and simple. end of story. has to be. and collectively i think every single one of us is going to be measured by what we do in order to guarantee that that happens. and the same is true on the international level. even in a region that has been virtually defined by division over past years, leaders that couldn't find any agreement for 11 years and who agree on little in general are all in agreement that isis has to be defeated. we have been focused on isil i will tell you since it morphed into al qaeda in iraq in 2013,

and picked up aqi's mission under a different banner. and obviously prior to that we were focused on it in the full context of what we were doing with respect to al qaeda. in january we ramped up our assistance to the iraqi security forces, increasing intelligence surveillance, reconnaissance, and flights to get a better picture of the battlefield and better able to expedite weapons like hellfire missiles for the iraqis to bring those to bear in the fight. early this summer, the isil threat accelerated when it effectively obliterated the iraq, syria border and mosul dam fell. there are complicated reasons that happened, not just a straightforward, they ran over them deal. it has to do with the kind of army that prime minister mal key began to create.

it has to do with shi'a, sunni, other ingredients. as a result of that, we further surged isr missions over iraq, immediately set up joint operation centers in baghdad and urbil, and special forces conducted immediately a detailed assessment of iraqi security forces because we needed to know in order to be able to answer your questions and the questions of the american people what might we be getting into here. do we have an iraqi army capable of fighting, to what degree, what will it take to reconstitute it. so whatever judgments are coming to you now are coming as a consequence of that assessment, and in addition to that, proud to say thanks to american engagement, isil's movement which was rapid at that point in time and perilous was stopped. together with the peshmerga, the kurds that stood up, we were able to not only stop them

there, but liberate them under siege, liberate a mountain, bring efforts to bear on the dam and make a difference. isil lau offensive in the north, president obama began air strikes to begin with on a hu n humanitarian basis to protect american personnel and prevent major ka taft officeros such as the fall of the dam or the maintenance of the mosul dam and also to bolster the security forces and the kurdish forces. to date, we launched more than 150 air strikes and i know that sounds like -- doesn't sound like, but it's few compared to those earlier. i believe we needed to get into place with the iraqi chosen and

effort that provided a government with which you can work going forward. nothing we tried to do would have the impact necessary. the platforms enabled them to do what we have done now. there is absolute clarity to the fact that we created momentum and the time in space to be able to put together a comprehensive strategy and get the inclusive government and build a brought coalition. that's the way we ought to go at this. we redoubled the efforts to move the process forward and we are clear eyed about the fact that any strategy against isil is only going to succeed if it has the strong and inclusive government from iraq. i hope you noticed the photograph from the "wall street journal" two days ago that

showed the foreign minster of saudi arabia arm in arm with the kurdish president and foreign minster of iraq. that's why i met with the new iraqi government and made certain of what they were willing to do and were the committing to us and encourage them to discuss in detail their commitment against isil and especially their unifying the country and doing the things that have not been done for the eight years or more. what happened was literally historic. in terms of the recent history of iraq. iraqis were not just invited to come, but warmly received by the saudis and the rest of the

countries there. the soaudis announced the day w reopened that in baghdad. president obama outlined the broader strategy in detail and i'm not going to go through it and it's important to remember it is not just military and not just kinetic. even within the military. we all understand how complicated it is. precisely we are not just focused on taking the enemy out on the battlefield, but we have to take out an entire network. the australians today arrested a large group of people they suspected of being isil members, supporters, sympathizer who is were planning some kind of

extravaganza of brutality in australia. we have to decimate and discredit a cult, masquerading as a religious movement and claiming with no legitimacy to be a state. there similarities to what we have been doing, but frankly it's different for some of the reason that is the general pointed out. these folks have taken over territory in ways that al qaeda never did. they have access to money and weapons from iraqis and they are holding that territory and beginning to try to build sustainability that challenges everybody. military support will be one component of this. i sit here today and while i can't go into all of the details for a lot of obvious reasons, i'm here to tell you that we

have people in europe committed to being part of the kinetic effort and outside of europe committed and in the region. arab commitments to be part of this effort. in syria. >> you are listening to opening statements from secretary kerry at the house. you heard there the secretary detailing the threat of isis versus al qaeda indicating that isis has territory, money and weapons and even noting this raid in australia where officials there arrested a number of people said to be plotting to grab innocent tuesdays off the street and behead them publicly. that is one of the latest developments explaining the threat of isis and why action needs to be taken and what he referred to as a cult hiding or masquerading as religion. we will follow this and have much more with andrea mitchell. that does it for this edition of

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player. >> we always strive to do the right thing. >> the question becomes where is roger goodell and what will he do next? >> what happens across the pond if the scotts vote yes to independence? >> it seems like we have a future now. >> we are not british. we are scottish. >> my wife is english and she is a definite no. you still talking? >> yeah, just. >> a very good day to you. i'm kristen welker in for andrea mitchell on a busy thursday. fiduciaries are in the hot seat