player. >> we always strive to do the right thing. >> the question becomes where is roger goodell and what will he do next? >> what happens across the pond if the scotts vote yes to independence? >> it seems like we have a future now. >> we are not british. we are scottish. >> my wife is english and she is a definite no. you still talking? >> yeah, just. >> a very good day to you. i'm kristen welker in for andrea mitchell on a busy thursday. fiduciaries are in the hot seat defending the administration

strategy to combat isis. chuck hagel making the case to the house as the senate gets ready to vote on training syrian rebels. critics are pressing for more answers on any extended engagement. chuck todd is the moderator on "meet the press." we are getting mixed messaging from this administration. we will play you what we heard yesterday to get you to react. >> if there threats to the united states, i of course would go back to the president and that may include the u.s. of u.s. ground forces. >> i want to be clear. the american forces that had been deployed to iraq do not have will not have a combat mission. as your commander in chief, i will not commit you and the rest of armed forces to fighting another ground war in iraq. >> dempschmpsey opens the door

president obama closes it. he owns this. >> he closed it and we could parse the statement and say that doesn't mean he is fully ruling out the idea that troops will be necessary in syria, but for the most part he was trying to send that message and it seemed the white house fiercely was trying to walk back dempsey in any way possible. what he has done is that the president is taken total ownership of this. if this strategy doesn't work. he can't point the finger at commanders and generals. this is his strategy. any air strikes that take place while in syria. it means he brought politics into his decision making. they could argue how you define politics in this case. this is the president who

believes the president wouldn't support sending combat troops into syria. he's not going to put them in. i can tell you there is a lot of commanders saying how do you totally rule it out. nobody is convinced the strategy is going to work. >> why is the white house struggling so much with the messaging. we are seeing it in terms of being a war. is it not a war? >> they will deny it's politics. it's all politics. it's politics of their own experience. that gets america out of these wars in the mideast. that's why he was sent to the presidency. i think this is truly a push-pull within him. that's why when i say it's politics, it's the larger politics in war fatigue.

people may take that comment and try to use it, but it allows the debate and where the public's appetite is in another country to i think have a huge impact on the decision making. pars>> secretaries hagel and ke testifying on the hill today. the vous did vote to approve that yesterday. we expected to pass in the senate and strange bed fellows. >> you will see something similar. it is proof in the day and age where there is ideological purity particularly in domestic issues. that's where you see the divergence. there is an isolationist streak and a dovish streak and there was interventionists. you are actually on the issue of national security and the mideast. there is diversity on the

parties making these coalitions. >> whether congress should have a vote and a say on whether or not the president should be able to expand the air strikes. >> there was a legal question and they have not answered that question about the legal authority to go into syria. >> i want to definitely into that more deeply. take a listen. >> you are not going to ask for a buy in by the united states senate or house of representatives. some people say a decade taking us into another country with a different enemy. they are exercising the worst judgment possible. >> we love to have you do it. >> you don't have them. and share them. >> i'm not going to share them in public here today.

>> i'm confident there will be so many classified briefings that you will be tired of them. >> secretary kerry not getting the details. not growing for the congress to have a buy in. doesn't seem like they are poised to vote. >> they point out something that is a truism here. the white house from 35 thousand feet. of course we want a new war authorization. it's out of date and too encompassing and easy to essentially use it to air strikes like syria. at the same time. now they don't want it to get into the way. a means to an end idea and the president called for the change. rewrite it. the idea is hey, just send us the legislation you would like us to pass on a new authorization. chuck todd.

tune in to "meet the press." check your local listings. despite the mixed messaging and they continue to defend the strategy. tony lincoln responded to the concern that they could lead to arms and money ending up in the wrong hands. take a listen. >> we built up the knowledge base and we have a better idea of what they are and what they are willing to do. now that we have other countries coming in with tremendous knowledge, we will be able to vet them, identify them, make sure we are giving arms and training to the right people who want in on the fight. >> i am joined by mike rogers, chairman of the committee who just finished chairing the committee on the isis threat. appreciate it. >> happy to be here. thank you for having me. >> let's pick up where tony left off. he said right now they are able

to effectively vet who the syrian moderate opposition is. yesterday the house voted to arm and train and give the training. are you confident about that? will they take on isis? >> you have to remember syria is a complicated place with the group that is there. hezbollah and certainly al qaeda-related and you have isis and the islamic state as they call themselves now. it is complicate and assad who is there also trying to push folks out of the country. it is as complicated as it gets. there elements fighting rebel forces who are also already fighting taking casualties and returning casualties to isis in syria. they are fighting the front and

they push back on assad. those are the individuals that provide the best opportunity to get trained and make them better than the enemy and get them focused on eliminating both in isis forces. >> you have confidence in the strategy? >> this is the worst of a host of options and i can talk for an hour about the failure to get here. yesterday was important. it communicated to the adversaries that something is coming and it also communicated to the allies. they rejected earlier for the same problem. we will try to figure this out together. having that piece as a part of the vetting process is very, very important. i can't stress that enough. what we know and the knowledge base we have been able to put together, we can have a force

that can be effective against isis and syria. >> president obama was very clear yesterday again. he is not going to put combat forces on the ground, but there 1600 advisers and if they are fired upon or attacked, they are cutting folks's heads off. this is a serious threat. the president needs to stop talking about what he is not going to do. it is not helpful to the strategy. if all of his strategy is just the training piece, i will guarantee you it will fare. it is not. it will evolve into other things. >> does that mean you think troops should be more u.s. troops and they should be sent in a combat capacity? >> we shouldn't take it off the

table. i don't think we need big elements. the 101st airborne. they said boots on the ground. they need the soldiers and the officials. they need to be around up front. if we don't, we will be less effective i. it will be dangerous for the president to create this visual and certainly political optics only to say yes, really bad, very, very dangerous. that's a bad message. that could be effective if we do this effectively. >> breaking news overnight in relation to isis. a thwarted terrorist threat in australia and then we are getting a new video. we are not going to show the video, but it shows a hostage, yet another hostage. this is different than the others we have seen in the sense

that this hostage criticizes the u.s. foreign policy. what is your reaction to the terrorist threat and also this new video. is this a sign that isis is a true threat to the u.s.? >> i have been saying all along. we had to pull the president to where he is at today. he said it's a threat and something that we need to defeat. it clearly is a threat. after 9/11, the commission said lack of imagination didn't allow them to put that we had bad people taking flying lessons and the notion they wanted to kill people by flying in the buildings. think about where we are today. we had an organization that had access to individuals and jihadists with passports and never seen that before. plenty of money and we want to do it. they are a threat to the united

states. it has to be more than that training piece. we need to take it as serious as they are. cutting people's heads off. >> we really appreciate it. coming up, the president of ukraine comes to capitol hill to ask for support. how much will he get? and we are following developing news from california where governor jerry brown declared a state of emergency as wildfires threaten more than 2,000 homes. the flame have doubled overnight consuming tens of thousands of acres east of sacramento and fire crews are hoping to get help from the weather today as they call for higher humidity and the possibility of rain. we'll be right back. there was no question she was the one.

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it's not just an american effort. number two, it is not just military, not just kinetic even within the military. it is critical that we all understand how complicated it is. precisely because we are not just focused on taking the enemy out on the battlefield, but we have to take out a network. we have to decimate and discredit a cult. masquerading as a religious movement and claiming with no legitimacy to be a state. >> that was secretary kerry moments ago testifying before the house foreign affairs committee as the senate gets set to vote on training and arming syrian rebels. they are expected to pass, but the question remains, what happens next? joining me is angus king,

appreciate you joining me. the senate is set to vote on the measure that will give president obama the authority to arm and equip the syrian opposition forces. how will you vote, yes or no? >> i will vote yes. it's part of the strategy. mike rogers put it very well. it's not the whole deal by any means, but i think it's part of the strategy. i also think we need to be talking when we come back after the elections about a broader authorization for the president to place limits on his unilateral authority. that's an important responsibility. i think the train and equip vote will be positive. then it's all about coalition building and building the credibility of the government in baghdad. >> let me pick up on that point. you think congress should have a vote about whether or not president obama should expand air strikes and congress is not

prepared to do that until after the elections. isn't it too late? what are you prepared to do to make sure congress has a vote and a voice in this? >> i have been making myself a difficult character around here for the last week along with tim kaine cane from virginia. we should bring it up and discuss it and debate it. fortunately or unfortunately, i don't set the schedule around here and it doesn't look like we will be able to bring it to the floor. that is very broad and has no limits and looks like an endless declaration of war. i wish we could do it sooner. i think it's still going to be

getting back to the elections. every president since harry truman felt they had this authority. this is not something barack obama invented. the korean war didn't have explicit authority and vietnam. we haven't had a declaration of war since the beginning of world war ii. i think that's wrong. i think congress has to be involved in this decision. the framers didn't put the declaration of war power as part of congress's responsibility by accident. this is -- i do disagree that

the president has this authority and it's a nullity. >> it creates that president obama said absolutely no u.s. combat forces on the ground. isn't this a slippery slope? >> of course. anybody that remembers the 60s you cringe when you hear the word advisers. that's one of the things that has to be discussed and debated. does it mean you can't use special forces in a particular situation. the guys flying the airplanes, aren't they combat troops. that's one of the problems that

we have to work on. you are absolutely right. two things you know about war. one is you can't ever predict where it's going to go. that's number one. number two, it's always going to go in directions that you don't expect. that's why we need limited authorization to clarify the goals and the end and what the means are that we are going achieve that end. >> senator angus king, thank you very much for joining us. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> hillary clinton's latest stop on the campaign of unofficial campaign stops when we come back. so i can reach ally bank 24/7, but there are no branches? 24/7 it's just i'm a little reluctant to try new things. what's wrong with trying new things? feel that in your muscles? yeah... i do... try a new way to bank, where no branches equals great rates.

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we don't do enough to give women the support they need to be empowered to take care of themselves and their families. >> the latest stop on the campaign that is not official. one of her opponents is not helping themselves with the head scratch i scratching. the contributor and at the white house, the correspond ept for associated press. thanks for being here today. i want to start with you. the center for american progress. talking about jobs and women and jobs. she hasn't declare and she sounds like a candidate for me. >> sounds like it. the two things talking about jobs in the economy and women are so important if she moves

forward to the candidacy. as much as we are talking about the islamic state and russia, the economy remains a top priority. she would leave a lot of enthusiasm for being a prominent candidate for president. equally is women make up the lion's share of voters in presidential elections and she will need them to vote for her. >> if hillary does declare, are we going to hear her talking a lot more about women and the economy this time around? something she didn't necessarily make a center on her tam pain in 2008. >> you couldn't be more right about that. i wondered why who was the history making candidate.

he was the first african-american nominee. he would have been the first female and downplayed her gender. i think they were worried and we read into the reconstructions. they were concerned people would have worries or concerns about the pop job. that is crazy. i think her history making candidacy she has in that. lots of other things. she talked a lot about being a woman and why it's important to lead. i think you will hear if she was smart, she should talk a lot more about it than others. >> a potential rival. he made what some are calling

three gasps. >> on the way back from mumbai to go meet with the president in china, i stopped in singapore to meet with a guy named lee 81 yu who most say is the wisest man in the orient. >> he wound up apologizing for using the term orient and had to apologize for using the term and opening the door to u.s. combat forces in the mideast. how damaging were the three? it's early, obviously. >> even if joe biden ran, he is the sig 95 canned underdog. this is the fundamental problem. the last time he ran for president, a story came up on the former colleague at the "new york times" in which biden called barack obama clean and articulate. that was the day he announced

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joining me now is peter alexander. they said they want to do the right thing. the definition of that keeps changing. >> that's right. they said adrian peterson would be allowed back to play and we need to do the right thing and kicked out for the foreseeable future. what is most important is that we do the right thing. the problem is it leaves people with the nfl itself. thank you. with more now on the ffl fallout, i am joined from the

home state of the minnesota vikings. it's great to be on. were among the lawmaker who is wrote a letter to roger goodell demanding a zero tolerance policy when it comes to domestic violence and abuse. your colleague center said she hadn't heard back from him a few days ago. >> we haven't heard back. i think it's going to be important that the nfl speak strong low. they have made changes and a number of women and former prosecutor in place to look at the cases and come up with a more uniform tell us. as a former prosecutor, i used to have a poster in the hall way. she was holding a little boy.

that's because kids that witness domestic violence are twice as likely to commit it themselves. the nfl needs to change their culture. >> we haven't heard from roger goodell since last week. where is he and how would you rate how he is handling all this. >> this has been starting with the rice case where at first he was given the two-game suspension. that all changed. the nfl has the change in policies. i am a kid of sports. my dad covered the vikings as a sports writer and i'm a huge fan. i'm glad the vikings first deactivated and changed their mind and they are realizing this is not the right thing to do.

that's a good thing and it has been supported by a lot of people in the community. >> i want to play you something that harry reid just said. >> i was misled and i voted wrong. >> your reaction to that and how you are planning to vote. >> i oppose the war in iraq and so are troops that have been so strong there. when we heard today in australia, what we are hearing from sources here that isil was trying to conduct we know this is not just about one place in a far away land.

this is an international terrorist organization. that it is giving equipment and training to the moderate forces. when the that's what he meant. >> you will vote yes then? >> yes. the senate is part of the continuing resolution. i am voting yes and it's important that the resolution does not involve combat troops. this is about the moderate forces in syria. i went to jordan and turkey and met with the forces over a year ago. i advocated and i think that is part of the solution. the other part is getting under the leader should be to be more

inclusive. arab forces. the u.s. cannot do this alone. thank you. we appreciate you talking to us. next, great scott. today is the day that will decide scotland's fate. will they vote to stay or break away? the scottland bakery already made their choice with their sweet tooth. in the unofficial cupcake poll, the no outsold the yes cup takes by a very narrow margin. so that we can trust or fate in

cake. i'm english for god's sake. let them vote and all i want is them all to vote. >> if i was scottish.

i'm half scottish and i'm not fully scottish. it's different if you live out there. i'm not the person to comment. >> i don't know. i don't know really. >> we poled downton abby and this is a landmark day for a nation and a united kingdom pleading for residents to cast a no vote at the polls today. the count radioey is split with famous faces on both sides of the debate. supporting independence, andy murray. star sean connery and broadway's alan cummings. on the no, david beckham, mike meyers and sir paul cartney doing his royal duty. president obama weighed in with a tweet saying "the uk the scottish nationalists wanted to keep the pound, but they said it's not a possibility. the other options are using it formally and becoming a part of the eurozone and setting up a separate currency. all those things entail big risks and potentially big budget cuts. that's the big uncertainty around the situation. that's why a lot of people might decide even though they are in favor of the idea, they might get cold feet at the last minute. >> a lot of big names have been weighing in. andy murray said huge day for scotland today. no campaign negativity. last few days totally swayed my view on it. excited to see the out come. let's do this. talk about how the big names are playing a role in today's vote.

you had a lot of big names and people who don't have a vote weighing in and there has been backlash to that and people saying why are you offering up your opinion? you shouldn't be swaying our vote. andy murray who is a huge personality in this country and greatly loved. he had backlash on twitter. negative and harsh comments because of the yes votes. >> cameron has been pushing hard for the nos. political implications for him as well as president obama who needs to work with the uk as he prepares to take on isis. what are the political implications of the vote? >> i wouldn't want to overstate it. whenever the u.s. tries to put together coalitions to deal with

the problems, the uk usually is the first in line to work with the u.s. if you had a smaller uk and more inward looking less confident uk, that wouldn't be good for the u.s. they are also looking at something else as well. this is the first stage. in two years's time, the rest will be voting on whether to remain part of the union or not. the real nightmare for washington is you have britain breaking apart and scotland and britain pulling out of the european union. that would leave it with a much less robust and important viable partner to be able to work with. >> fascinating election today. we will be watching it very closely. jeff and kelly, thank you so much for your insights. which political story will make headlines in the next 24 hours? that's next on "andrea mitchell reports." stay with us. copd includes chronic bronchitis and emphysema.

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. yes, i will vote against the cr. if that is rolled in without the ability to debate it and extrapolate it from that, i will vote against it. now they want to throw one of the policies and don't you think that's aconine? >> you have serious opposition among a lot of democrats and for the president. >> the point here is that the bill to fund the government &

the funds to fight isis islamic state should not be in the same package. this tends to happen in the way we govern these. they throw everything in at the last minute. this goes back to barack obama's lack of a relationship with congress. this will pass. i will be stunned if it didn't. much has been written about the republicans and a lot of blame hoisted on the republicans. the mansion quotes are telling. president obama does not have great relationships with democrats in congress either. i think they are much more willing to speak out publicly. >> you are seeing a lot of lawmaker who is want to vote on the air strikes.

do you think that will happen after the elections? would this happen after the election? what happens in the election matters. when voters vote and if they send a distinct message, it's a different world not just politically, but from a policy perspective. when they come back from the lame duck session, it is mid-to late september. >> we know you will be tracking it as will we. thank you. that does it for this edition of abdomen rhea mitchell reports. andrea is back tomorrow. follow us online at facebook and twitter. ronan is up next.

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>> ronan is out on assignment and we are keeping a close eye on capitol hill where all the president's men are making the case for war. >> it is a difficult case for the country. our country wants this problem gone. >> american military power alone cannot eradicate the threats. >> this problem is not going away. >> we have to decimate a cult. 10:00 on the west coast. breaking news. breaking news in washington all happening right now. we have the white house briefing just getting under way. secretaries kerry and hagel testifying on the hill and the senate starts debating the strategy.

they are set to vote on the president's plan to arm and train syrian rebels. if that passes, the president and the pentagon will officially have a green light. that includes an interview who was they arrested 15 people in predawn raids based on intelligence that isis was planning a random violent attacks in the streets to show the reach. orchestrated boy a leader in the mideast with aussie ties. >> that's the intelligence that we receive.