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>> president han has announced he has authorized for france to provide air strikes in iraq, that's one of the countries we've been counting in our ódnn. >> mostly the isil threat isz[ç syria, safe havens, training camps, resources. you're going to have to deal with them in -- >> we recognize this as difficult. we recognize there's no -- no good option here. but if we don't help where we can help develop some infrastructure, and this is why we would train in units and not individuals. >> you complain about, the administration is responsible for all the weapons for baghdad. no, we're not, you are. we're adhering to u.s. law. >> the house amendment to train and arm the syrian rebels and that vote will happen within the next few hours. proposed by the president passed the house last night with the
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rare support of 2/3 of republicans. the nearly half of democrats voted against it. and that includes vermont democrat peter welch who serves on the national security and homeland defense subcommittees. congressman, thank you, as always, for joining us. >> thank you. >> you did vote no last night, why? >> on this syria plan where we're going to be trying to equip and train the so-called moderate rebels and then send them into this chaotic battle space with isis and assad. it's hard for me to have any confidence that's a realistic prospect of success. so that's why i voted against it. also, we didn't pay for it. so, once again, we're imposing this huge new obligation on the military while they're still under sequester. and they're going to hollow out the readiness and the defense of america. >> you voted no on the specifics of peace. and as you well know and criticized, a lot of this
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discussion in the house has discussed this as if this vote would mean there's a blank check to go on to a wider war. what's going to happen here in your view with congress basically leaving town now? does this vote authorize a wider war in syria beyond the rebel peace? >> the fact is this is a consequential vote. what we did approve was us getting involved the syrian civil war. not with boots on the ground, but with some of our special operators who were caught and imprisoned. do we go in and get them? what happens if these soldiers we trained need close air support? so i actually do think that this was a serious decision that has us involved in syria. and by the way, there's a lot of support for how president obama's been handling this despite those polls. i mean, what he did in kurdistan with counterterrorism
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activities, our air force and our special operators, we averted the genocide. and then in baghdad, which really is where we have to have an enormous amount of success against isis if we're going to be ultimately successful. he put maximum leverage to get rid of maliki. and maliki has been a huge part of the problem. he isolated the sunnis. and what we need there is something akin to what general petraeus did during the sunni uprising where he gave them some hope they had a future in iraq and they worked with him to crush al qaeda. in fact, a lot of us think that's the area that we should be concentrating. >> yeah, i mean, those are all important steps forward, important places to concentrate. but as secretary hagel was saying earlier. if you don't deal with them in syria, you are not really -- you're not in a position to degrade and destroy them as the president has said is his goal. so i agree with you. i think that arming the so-called vetted moderate rebels is a very risky bet at the very
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best. but what do you see as our alternative specifically in syria? >> well, some -- first of all, i agree with the 7hí[zsecretary, u give them, h)quote, a safe have thenkp that obviously is going rear its ugly head. but you don't have to fight them on their terms. we want to fight them on ours. i think it makes sense to work withe,y6 kurdistan, we've got a competent army. we crush isis there and drive them into syria, isis is now in a full out war with assad. both of those sides hate each other. now, then we can reassess and decide what it is we can do effectively in syria. my reservation about syria's not the analysis that secretary hagel gave that we can't give them a safe haven. and by the way, we can bomb them. i'm in favor of counterterrorism authority for the president and giving him some money as he requested so he can do that wherever we find a target of opportunity. but i am really skeptical that
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we're going to be successful sending 5,000 to 6,000, quote, trained syrian moderates into this scene that's got thousands and thousands of radical islamists. >> congressman, i share your pessimism, but in a few hours, the senate will take up a vote on all this. do you think they will pass it? and do you think they should? >> i think they will pass it. what i think is unacceptable is that they're not voting separately as we did in the house. this question of training the syrians and getting involved in the syrian civil war is a great consequence. i think each one of us should be required to be on record how we stand on that and state our reasons. i was grateful to speaker boehner that he did separate the votes. so i think the c.r. will pass by all reports. but i think democracy is better served when there's a clear up and down vote on something as koconsequential as getting in t syrian war. >> you're not the only skeptic here, congressman. thank you for your time again today, we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> and here at the table, josh
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barrow with the "new york times." josh, you've got a lot of official titles. we always love having you at the table. so here's the thing, i have yet to hear from an expert on tv, off tv that this strategy is well thought out. that it will actually lead to success. i have yet to hear an expert say we actually have a defined strategy in syria. and this is another thing that alarms me. there seems to be a real disconnect between what we're hearing the president say and what his top commanders are saying. you look at two headlines in the "new york times" yesterday. one saying obama insists that the u.s. will not get drawn into ground war in iraq. the next title is u.s. army chief says ground troops will be needed against isis. i mean, we have every reason here to ask questions and to be concerned. >> well, i mean, i think there's two things here. one is, what do you mean by ground war and ground troops. we're saying we're not sending in troops in a combat role.
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of special forces and training forces and such. and if they're attacked, then they are combat troops. and so you can sort of have semantics. john mccain making this point. we already have some boots on the ground. the question is, should it be a limited footprint, or not. on the broader question, you saw the president saying a couple weeks ago, we didn't have a strategy yet in syria, now we have a strategy, but it's a strategy we didn't have a couple of weeks ago. it reflects the difficult position that the white house is in, which is that americans expect that the united states will control outcomes in the middle east and prevent hostile forces from arising there and being able to threaten the united states. and at the same time, they expect that we're not going to start another ground war there. so they're expecting us to achieve outcomes that we probably can't achieve with the limited tools they're willing to authorize. the white house has come up with what they can within that set of restrictions. >> yeah. well, one thing we've heard continuously from secretary kerry and also from the president is we are not going to go it alone. and yet they've been unable to provide a lot of details about who will actually be backing us
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up from a military perspective. we did hear today that france will carry out air strikes, so far at least in iraq. of course, we are only in iraq at this point, as well, in terms of air strikes. but, do you think thatv would provide a measure of comfort if and when the administration is able to fill in some of those details of who's with us? >> well, i think there are two parts to this. one is when you have a big complicated military operation, you want support from other countries so that the financial costs and then also the costs in terms of human life are shared. and the other is the importance of diplomatic support. i think one of the things that undermine the iraq war was we were going it alone. it's not that we need the country's military fire powers, the diplomatic support to give legitimacy. to the extent this is going to be limited mostly in our role in terms of air power, it's not entirely clear how much value there is in terms of the actual physical operation from support from outside. so i -- and i think, you know, there's this general indecision
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not just in the united states but in the international community. everybody feels like we're supposed to be doing something about this, and yet, people aren't clear on what can be done that passes cost benefit analysis. just as we're seeing indecision in washington, it makes sense both from other arab countries and from our allies in europe. >> well, and internationally, they're hoping we handle it for them. >> well, absolutely that. we must do something, but what if we did nothing. and there would actually be people in the countries in the middle east that would handle that. to that idea, the strategy in syria to my mind, to a lot of people's mind is inevitably going to be helpful for assad. he's working on this in terms of saying he wants to eliminate moderate rebels to make sure he alone will benefit from what we create in getting rid of isis in syria if we can actually accomplish that. >> yeah. >> now, we are helping this guy. >> that's one of the most daunting things of the strategy of aiding the so-called moderate
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rebels. we don't just need to be able to strengthen them enough to take on isis. they have to be able to take on assad. and i think it is what you're describing. sort of something must be done. this is something we must do this. david fromm writing we're taking our eye off the ball and really assad is the bigger threat to u.s. interests than isis and that while isis is obviously a terrible thing we should want top contain going at war in syria is likely to put us in a worse outcome. i'm not sure that is true, but i'm unsure enough that we want to get in on either side of this. >> we##h;ñ appreciate it. up next, expecting the unexpected. just who are we arming in syria. plus, another day, another nfl star arrested in connection with domestic violence. what is going on here? and is it nature of the game? is it the culture around the star mentality? we'll get into that and much more. the other big stories of the day, as well. "the cycle" rolls on, thursday, september 18th. check out all these airline seats.
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we as professionals need to continue to exploit the environment to find out where is it that we're going to find the insights, those nuggets that are going to give us a sense of some phenomena that may be developing now slowly but it's going to result in something of strategic significance. and that's where we want to make sure our analysts and professionals are attuned to the different sources that are out there that are going to give us that type of insight. >> cia director john brennan there, short time ago, a national security summit in washington outlined what americans should expect from the
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intelligence community when it comes to keeping us all safe. for months, the cia has been vetting the motives of some of those syrian rebels that we are now likely to arm and train. as congressman welch told us, a main reason why he voted against that funding effort is there are simply too many unknowns. well, our next guest shares some of those concerns but says not supporting the moderate opposition is what can create a vacuum for terror groups like isis. a senior fellow at brookings, welcome. >> thank you, nice to be with you. >> let me start with where a lot of americans are skeptically looking at this whole evolution, particularly the foreign policy establishment which a lot of folks think got iraq wrong the first time in going in. it seems that if you date back a few months ago, we weren't hearing from the foreign policy experts that this was an area where military intervention was required. all of a sudden, it feels, tell me if i'm wrong, it feels like the establishment, foreign policy, and now congress this week have decided we want to get
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in in a big way in picking winners and losers on the ground. and also, bombing syria and iraq more. >> well, you make a fair point. i think it's fair to hold people accountable. it's fair to acknowledge that a lot of people have been wrong in this debate. i've certainly been wrong at various points, i hope i've been right more than wrong, it's important to look back on your own analysis and try to figure out where you might have been wrong and why. on the issue of syrian rebels, there's plenty of room for doubt and uncertainty. because we don't really know how to chart a path forward. the iraq part of the strategy that president obama's working towards may or may not work, but it's logically coherent, you know. you can explain. actually, people haven't quite noticed one big element of this, which is he's trying to help the iraqis create a national guard, a whole new wing of their military so it can be primarily sunni populated and sunni manned in the part of iraq where they have to take back the city some day from isis. but at least in iraq, you can explain it. you can identify an institution
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that should be within reach even if it doesn't yet exist because you've got a state you're working with, et cetera. in syria, we don't even know who is going to be able to be the core or the catalyst of this so-called moderate insurgency. i do support working with them. i think we can help create more of a core ourselves if we are dependable partner for them. but it's true, they don't currently really exist. >> yeah. >> and they're collectively, the weakest of the three main players in this war. >> well, we keep hearing about the vetted moderate syrian opposition. the cia says there are 1,500 opposition groups in syria. so, i mean, can we have any confidence that we know who we would be training and giving our guns to? >> not really. we do know that we indirectly gave our guns to isis, right? because we gave a lot to the iraqi army. we've got to be a little bit careful here not to just worry about our own purity and chastity as the number one
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policy objective. there's really bad guys with a lot of weapons, including american weapons. if we can find some questionable actors and give them incentives to behave a little better if they didn't partner with the united states, i think we have to consider that. but your point's still very well taken. and i'm a little concerned that secretary hagel said the other day we're going to try to work with 5,000 of these. admittedly, that's by itself an accomplishment compared to where we are now. but it's still a very small force compared to assad's army even compared to isis. and so the strategy is not yet fully coherent and fully tenable in regard to syria. >> yeah, and yesterday we heard from the president of iran speaking out about this. sat down with our own ann curry. had some pretty strong words about isis. but also of our strategy to deal with isis at one point saying it's ridiculous. hear a little bit of what he had to say. >> this coalition is somehow ludicrous and it is ridiculous,
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and there are people who have created these terrorist groups. and now inside this coalition, they are countries who are financing these terrorist groups. they have been financing these terrorist groups, and in this coalition, there are people who are supporting them politically, and they are equipping them with weapons. >> michael, i hate to agree with the president of iran on anything, but he brings up a number of good points. i think the biggest one being that some of the folks in this coalition have also helped out these terror groups in the past. so there's that trust factor. i think that's a really important point we have to address. >> and certainly nobody would know how to do this sort of thing better than the iranians. it's what they specialize in. no, it's true. the way in which different actors, saudi arabia, qatar, turkey, have worked with this piece of coalition, it's been a debacle. and we have to accept some responsibility because our unwillingness to play a
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leadership role is part of what led to this flourishing of a lot of other people doing their own thing. this is why, in the end, do support trying to with a moderate syrian opposition, or trying to make it more moderate. because we've seen what happens% when7rwe stand aside. and it ain't pretty. what we have to do, i think, is show leadership here and recognize we're not going to create a lily white organization. but if they're better than isis and better than asaud, i think it's still going to be in our interests to try to work with them. >> michael, let me get your response to an interesting quote from global consulting firm macro advisory partners. he says, when it comes to intervening in the arab world's struggle, we have to stop and ask ourselves why we have such a challenge getting them to help us save them. why do we have such a challenge getting us to help us save them? >> well, that's a great question.
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i think in this case, a lot of people were playing with civil war because they didn't really think it would come back and bite them. for example, the saudis, the qataris. at first syria seemed semi far away. they didn't like assad, he was shia, just like they didn't like maliki in iraq. you give a little money to the opposition, you hope that's enough to overturn the incumbent and for the sunni hard liners in the gulf states, that would be appealing. but then, all of a sudden, approach creates a monster that now threatens even them. they've created a frankenstein they can't control anymore. nowe/+ they're shifting. i would be more sarcastic of this if hadn't been -- president obama thought assad would fall on his own weight and it wouldn't take much to push him aside. we were wrong about that, and now we see the consequences. it's no the just the sunni states that have made big errors here, i think washington has, as well. >> all right, michael. from the brookings institute, thank you so much for your
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ventilators. so far, we've seen more than 140 cases in 17 states. massachusetts could be the next state added to the list. nbc news has learned that doctors in springfield are treating seven kids who may have the virus. >> thanks for that. and now to the still gathering storm forming over the national football league. the latest domestic violence accusations to surface are against arizona cardinals runningback jonathan dwyer who posted bond this morning. he was arrested at the cardinals training facility yesterday on aggravated assault charges related to incidents of allegedly involving both his wife and 18-month-old son. allegations that he denies. nevertheless, the cardinals have now deactivated dwyer pending the outcome of a criminal information. of course, this latest arrest follows high-profile cases involving ray rice and adrian peterson. both those are just a couple of the nearly five dozen alleged domestic violence incidents reported since roger goodell became commissioner back in 2006. and of those cases, less than half resulted in any sort of
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punishment from their teams or from the league. so is this a cultural problem within the fabric of the nfl or is another underlying factor here? that's a question raised in this week's "time" cover story, "is football worth it?" shawn gregory joins us now. very catchry cover this week. something that all of us are talking about. and rosie o'donnell made an interesting point on "the view" the other day about the fact these places have trained to be monsters. they are paid to be monsters. let's hear what she had to say. >> they're encouraged and paid to be violent, same with fighters, boxers, they live in an arena of, it would be wonderful if they were able to separate the violence of their job with the violence in their life, but i don't think that's how human brains work. and believe me, i don't excuse any violence towards anyone. >> you know what -- >> i do understand how a guy who knocks people over and pushes them down for a living and gets cheered might do that in his private life even though it's wrong. >> now, that's one opinion. but you could also say this is
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about the way that these guys have been raised. you have adrian peterson's mom out defending him. saying most of us disciplined our kids a little more than we meant sometimes but we were only trying to prepare them for the real world. i would have to say, i hope no child has to go through that in the real world. 57 cases now, right, under roger goodell, what they all have in common is some sort of physical pain they have caused to someone. in many cases, close to someone, whether that's a child, a spouse, or a girlfriend. what is this about? is this the culture of the nfl? or the individual players? >> it's a tough one. it's a violent game without question. but most people are able to turn it off when they get home. let's be fair. most nfl players aren't doing this. i'm a little wary of blaming the game. and another interesting possibility in this thing is the brain trauma. we've learned that brain injuries linked to football like
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cte, one of the symptoms is emotional outbursts and this kind of thing. now, we have no proof that's going on, but that's something to at least think about and look at. >> absolutely.n?i >> you got a magazine here asking a provocative question, is football worth it? what is your answer? >> i mean, i'm going to defer to the stovers a little bit on this. they have a really good take on it. it's up to you, if any -- the family in this story, their son died playing football. and it was a sad case. it was like a freak play. it wasn't really a violent head to head hit but he went down and died two weeks later. they have a great perspective on it. you know, we're not going to tell you it's -- you should ban it. but it's a very personal decision. and here are the risks. read this story and take away, you know, what you want from him. >> you point out in the story that pro football players are, of course, as we have seen far more likely than the general population to have severe brain damage. we've been seeing more and more of that over the past few years, people like jim mcmahon coming
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out and showing. no mind, no memory anymore, very tragic and sad stuff to see. but high school football, as you talk about in the story is extremely dangerous, even at that level, the weight of the boys. it's still extremely dangerous, and it doesn't take a major con cu concussive hit to get lasting damage. can you explain how you get lasting damage from a nonconcussive hit from an average high school boy? >> they kind of add up. and the studies have shown that they -- they tend to change brain matter. there's one study where there were 25 guys with no concussive history and they had -- it's not good, it has to do with memory. that's going on. and back to you point about high school football, the kind of sad irony here, they're most at risk. these are kids that are at huge risk. >> they're still growing. >> right, they're still growing in all that. and here, at these fields,
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there's not the same medical attention that the pros in college get. so you have to ask this question. should we have something like ambulances at every high school game? like there are in the pros. >> and tackling properly. >> right. and the sad part about the chad stover case, they had to wait nine minutes for an ambulance. would that have saved his life? we don't know. and that's the question. the family never has full closure. >> i found it crazy they don't have ambulances at every game. i thought that was standard -- >> to be fair, some districts do require, but it's not a requirement statewide. >> and a lot of parents are seeing this type of research and they're becoming increasingly concerned about allowing their kids to play football, even some parents who were themselves professional football players. let's take a listen to brett favre. >> if i had a son, i'd -- i would be real leery of him playing. and that sounds, in some respects, i'm almost glad i don't have a son because of the pressures that he would face. but also, the physical toll that
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it could possibly take. >> that's pretty dramatic, and you reported in this piece, it says there has been a 26.5% decline in youth participation in football. are parents going to stop letting their kids play? >> yeah, we're seeing that trend over the last six years, seven years. if bret favre is saying that. >> and he's not the only one. >> and he's not the only one. no basketball player is saying that, no superstar baseball player. so, yeah, that's what people take their cues from. and stories like this, eight kids died in high school from direct contact in football. there are better odds of dying in other cases. >> car crash -- >> and that kind of thing. still, you can prevent that kind of thing if you choose not to play. but if you do, you know, "friday night lights" is still a huge communal bond. there are benefits. but towns and parents and teams and coaches, they're going to have to make tough choices. >> my brother lost a friend
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because of this. it's so real and it's something that we all need to be talking about. thank you so much. >> thank you, thanks a lot. up next, how does the star culture that the nfl breeds fit into all of this? the man who wrote the book on narcissism joins us next. so what we're looking for is a way to "plus" our accounting firm's mobile plan. and "minus" our expenses. perfect timing. we're offering our best-ever pricing on mobile plans for business. run the numbers on that. well, unlimited talk and text, and ten gigs of data for the five of you would be...
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the nfl's troubles remind us that those guys live in a different world of inflated egos, massive entitlement and separate rules. most of them grow up in a rule feted by elders and peers and repeatedly shown they are special. don't go to class, it's okay, you'll still get a passing grade. get violent with someone? look over there, i see a bird. anything to keep that golden goose of an athlete happy. it's no surprise that so many great athletes develop into narcissists. that narcissism is a toxic mash-up of grandiosity, lack of empat
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empathy. he's the author of a fascinating new book called "the narcissist next door" which he lovingly dedicates to himself. a quick housekeeping note. leading into the segment about narcissism. it's not all about me. jeffrey -- what -- what is narcissism's part, do you think in the sort of crisis of criminality that we're seeing right now in the nfl? >> well, there are two ways of coming at narcissists. for some narcissists, there's what's called the mask model of narcissi narcissism. for these people, it's a brittle masquerade hiding its exact opposite, a deep well of self-loathing and self-esteem. in the case of athletes and other celebrities, it's exactly what it seems to be. as you say, they believe they're outside of the rules because they are outside of the rules. they get invited to colleges that a lot of kids couldn't get into. they get degrees from those colleges, sometimes without even attending classes. and they sign eight-figure
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bonuses before they've done a single day's pay in work for the company that just hired them. that's pretty remarkable. >> one of the things we think about with athletes in particular they're successful. we don't realize they are constantly failing in public every play you might get beat by the corner back or the wide receiver or the quarterback or the linebacker or what have you. you're constantly failing in this. and the people are like oh, you got beat there, beat there, beat there. nothing to say of your team losing 4 to 8 games, ten games this season. is the narcissism that we see in these athletes perhaps a barrier to protect them from repeated public failure? >> well, i think that's true. and i think that's also why you see a lot of players. randy moss from the minnesota vikings was famously quoted as saying i play when i want to. in other words, if the pass isn't coming to me, i'm going to walk through it. it's the phenomenon of -- >> wide receivers and the quarterback seem to be the highest in terms of narcissism. >> right. exactly and that's because they're sort of surgeons in the
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medical field. they're the ones that sweep in, the heroes and get most of the credit. now, in these cases, if i throw a 50-yard pass to you and you catch it on your fingertips, you and i are just the perfect balletic combination, everybody applauds us, but nobody sees the guys on the lines. there may be a measure of linemen overcompensating, saying you don't recognize my face, but i'm in this game, too. >> and a lot of successful narcissists. not just in football, but in business, famous people. you see at the heights and pinnacle of power who are narcissists. so, it's a chicken and egg question, right? does their career make them narcissists? or are they narcissists and then that makes them successful? >> that's a really good question. and it's one of those questions, the answer to both parts of which is yes. >> yeah. >> in order to move in to a career like this, if we're both good athletes, but i sort of shrink from the spotlight and you don't because you like the
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spotlight, because you're a little exhibitionistic. >> you're constantly telling people how great you are. >> and you're going to succeed at athletics better than i do. and once you begin to succeed, that's a sort of feedback loop. it turbo charges the recognition and the grandiosity you're already feeling. this thing continues to spiral until you get people who do so many terrible things that they're then arrested. they've broken a law and they believe they would be outside of those rules, as well. >> i mean, a good point, there are narcissists not just on the football field, but everywhere. how can you tell if someone is a narcissist. you have a list of an every day life and relationships at work and how you can tell. two of them, one is, can't admit to even the smallest imperfection. the other will lie and cheat to get what they want. this can describe many people. that describes all of congress to be honest. how do you differentiate someone that might be egotist caical an insecure. >> the fact is, narcissism does
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exist on a continuum. the true weapons grade narcissism, what's called narcissistic personality disorder is maybe 1% to 3% of the population. but as with so many other things, you get down to the subclinical cases, these low lower -- the ones who can't take criticism. that's a good example of what i said was mask model narcissism because it's such a threat to be criticized that they deny and fight back. if you're confident and someone criticizes you, you're able to say -- >> that's why i bring up insecurity. >> always a great ,çguest, than you so much for coming by. up next, great scot, will the people of scotland buck history and vote to go it alone? á7plus, shocking women's ma southeastern c+opolitan tackling a topic it's never tackled before. if you know cosmo, that's saying
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absolutely critical at a very, very important time in ukraine's history. obviously, we have watched over the last several months as the people of ukraine have declared their desire for a sovereign, independent, economic and foreign policy that promises them freedom and prosperity and self-determination. and president poroshenko's election represented those aspirations of the ukrainian people. unfortunately, what we've also seen is russian aggression. first in crimea and most recently in portions of eastern ukraine that have not only violated the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the country but have also been designed to undermine these critical reform efforts that have been taken place in ukraine.
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i'm very proud that the united states has led the international community and our european partners in making sure there's a cost to russia for its aggression in ukraine. we have applied some of the toughest coordinated sanctions we've ever seen between the transatlantic community, which are having a significant impact on the russian economy, and we have consistently said that not only do we support ukraine's sovereignty and independence in words, but we've also been supporting in deeds. at the wales summit, you saw all 28 nato countries recommit themselves to the nato/ukraine partnership and commit to assisting ukraine -- we have provided significant financial assistance to help ukraine
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bridge this transition from the old ways of doing things to a new and more modern economy and billion dollar loan guarantee. >> that's president obama coming out of a meeting with president poroshenko. been in town requesting additional aid from the u.s. to deal with russian aggression. all right, turning now, it is a waiting game across the pond where night has fallen. but i don't think many people will be sleeping too well. that's because at breakfast time as election officials call it, we will know whether voters in scotland have decided to declare their independence from great britain. mind you, they have been the united kingdom for 307 years now. tonight's vote could very well upend that entire idea. at london's famed bridge where plenty of people are anxious about the outcome there. jim, what is the latest? >> reporter: well, the british press are calling this a day of destiny, a day of decision. i'll tell you, the many britains
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we spoke to today are calling -- or should be calling it a day of denial. they can't conceive here of a great britain without scotland and are choosing, instead, to just not deal with it hoping that the no camp wins. now, there's no question that a yes vote has huge implications for scotland and britain. and there's plenty of anxiety to go around. no one's probably more anxious than the man who pops in and out of that building behind me quite often, david cameron, the prime minister, he admitted to breaking out into cold sweats lately, perhaps, thinking he may go down in history as the leader who lost the union. but if there's a win for the yes camp here in london and in edinborough, they'll have time to sort out, what currency and independent scotland will use, divvying up the national debt, divvying up also the billions of dollars in revenue for north sea
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oil, 90%, by the way, which is in scottish waters. and then there's scottish -- scottish membership in the european union, in nato, even optimists optimists are saying that it will take years to sort that kind of thing out if ever. what happens to nato's nuclear submarine base as well in scotland? plenty of questions, plenty of uncertainty tonight. in fact, banks and big business in scotland are so nervous and even the royal bank of scotland has made plans to move here, his headquarters to london in case of a yes vote just to protect its deposit. yes, there's excitement today in scotland and a lot of anxiety and disbelief and a lot of last-minute prayers here in what they're calling the rest of great britain already. >> they've got a real populist insurgency on their hands and it will be interesting to see what happens. turning to politics back here at home for the first time, a powerful voice for women is
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taking sides in this year's midterms. that is kcosmopolitan magazine, yes, the glossy known for sex quizzes, fashion and relationship advice although they have been weighing in on politics for quite a while now, they've decided the the issues facing young women are too serious to stay politically neutral. the new social media campaign designed not only to get young women to the polls this november, but to let them know who they should be voting for. each week cosmopolitan.com is endorsing candidates with women women's interests, equal pay for equal work, contraceptive access and abortion access. mary burk for wisconsin governor and kentucky senate candidate allison grimes and udall among others and amy o'dell, editor for cosmopolitan.com. thank you for joining us. >> thank you very much for
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having me. >> this has gotten pushback saying you're all about fashion and sex tips. what business do you have weighing in on politics. what do you say about that? >> exactly. so i'm not surprised that that's been the reaction although i think it's incredibly unfortunate because the conversation surrounding young women in pol fix for so long has been so con descending. not that long ago we were called beyonce voters which is incredibly, incredibly con descending. you can be interested in shoes and be a smart, informed, engaged voter. >> yes. >> and that's the message that we want young women to hear because they hear so often that their opinions don't matter and they do. >> the beyonce voter thing made no sense. they're supposed to be single voters and she's a married woman. >> thanks for clarifying. >> i like that you anyways, your latest endorsement in getting behind kay hagan the north carolina race, kay hagan is the
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best choice, but, you know, c s candidates like boyfriends and girlfriends break your hearts and don't live up to them, why get behind supporting individual candidates rather than push causes as you guys have long done. >> well, we want women to know especially in states wheris race are very tight and they can be pivotal who they should vote for. engagement is not nearly as high as they are in presidential elections and i don't think there's enough information out there particularly for young women and they trust us. they come to us for advice on how to deal on every aspect of advice and they trust us on with advice on who to vote for when they go to the polls in november. >> you have only endorsed democratic politicians which makes sense, in the issues that you care deeply about. are you willing to vote for a republican who might not check off every box on the list, but might be a better candidate like
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monica webby who is running for congress who has come out publicly in gay marriage, i know, an issue you're passionate about, are you willing to vote for a republican who is supporting the issues you care about. >> we vote for those who affect the day to day life of young women. such as the minimum wage. two-thirds of minimum wage earners are women, if we could get that to $10.10. we're also supporting candidates who are pro-choice, who support equal pay for equal work so we're looking at a whole range of issues. >> so yes potentially. >> >> potentially, it's not partis partisan, right? you're looking at the issues, but has there been a pushback? what has your response for the readership win, and they don't agree on the take on the issues, maybe this magazine isn't for me. >> you will always have people that don't agree with you, whether you're writing about politics or beyonce.
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>> wait a minute, everybody agrees on beyons. >> not everybody, believe it or not, but you know, 30 million people come to our web be site, cosmopolitan.com each month and some of them only come to read about fitness and health and some of them come to read about celebrity news and some of them only come to read about beyonce and some of them come to read about politics and you come to the site and you on you find our politics coverage is not your cup of tea there is so much other content for you to enjoy and share with your friends. >> what are you going do when a candidate you supported disappoints the folks and you told us to get behind so and so and she didn't live up to your expectations. >> that never happens, right some. >> we're not afraid to talk about those issues and i think that is something that we'll certainly be keeping an eye on or the candidates that claim they support over-the-counter birth control, but what if you can't afford an iud, or birth
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control. they do not support the affordable care act's mandate to provide birth control free of charge. they do not support in general access. so calling that out and making that clear is incredibly important. >> most importantly, getting people to vote. >> that's critical. absolutely, we have to have more participation. thank you so much, amy. >> thank you. >> we are back with the final word after this. jim's hair is perfect. so's his serve. but like up to 90% of us, jim falls short in getting important nutrients from food alone. jim, here's $2 off one a day multivitamins
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okay. that does it for "the cycle." "now" with alex wagner starts now. the senate is moments away from a vote on whether to arm moderate syrian rebels. will it go the way of the lower chamber? it's thursday, september 18th and this is "now". >> isil has to be defeated. plain and sifrmel. ♪ ♪. ♪ ♪i. ♪ ♪m. ♪ ♪p. ♪ ♪l. ♪ ♪e. ♪ ♪ >> let me begin by thanking you for the vote that took place yesterday. >> a very important and defining vote. >> as the senate gets ready to vote on training syrian rebels. >> they voted wrong. >> equip and train because we did such a great job in iraq. >> we're at war with isis just as we are at war with al qaeda. >> the militant cult masquerading as a religious movement. >> it's al qaeda and lebanese