politics. a complicated one as well. governor howard done. thanks for your time. that is all for "now." i'll see you back tomorrow at 4:00. "the ed show" is coming up next. good evening, americans. welcome to "the ed show" live from new york. let's get to work. ♪ ♪ >> we welcome, we would like congress, please, do this. >> whether in iraq or in syria, these terrorists will learn the same thing that the leaders of al qaeda already know. >> john kerry hounded by anti-war protesters in congress echoed the president. >> we mean what we say. >> we're not going to make our actions dependent on it happening. >> we're not going ask for buy-in by the united states senator house of representatives on behalf of the american people. >> this is not the time to show anger at the people who are working night and day whether

you agree with them or not to protect our people. >> it's exercising the worst judgment possible. >> they quickly passed a bill to train and equip syrian rebels in saudi arabia. >> we will work with you as closely as we can and should. >> you cannot sit on the sidelines, at least i cannot. ♪ ♪ >> good to have you with us tonight, folks. we start with breaking news and it's 5:00 on the east coast and polls have closed in the scotland. right now the race for the scottish independence is just too close to call. another breaking story at this hour here on u.s. soil, members of the house of representatives are doing what they do best. they're quitting and going home. republican majority leader kevin mccarthy announced late this afternoon that the house of representatives will not be back in washington until december or -- excuse me, until november

12th. before the house members skip town they put on a second act of political theater. members of congress grilled secretary of state john kerry about the obama administration's strategy to fight isis again. >> tell me and the american people exactly who we are at war with. what would you call. i call them isis, islamic state of iraq and syria. what would you tell the american people, okay, we are doing this support. we're at war. we are counterterrorism operation, whatever you want to call it. upon who is the enemy? define the enemy for me. are they the enemy of the united states? >> they're an enemy of humanity. >> so they're an enemy to the u.s., too. >> both secretary kerry and president obama have stated they have absolutely no intention of sending u.s. troops into combat. late wednesday afternoon members of the house voted in favor of

arming syrian rebels in the islamic state. the measure passed by 277 to 156. it's important to note there was sizeable opposition from both parties. 71 house democrats voted against president obama's plan. right now the senate is debating the same bill. the debate has just been heated as it was in the house yesterday. >> it's messy. it's unclear. there are bad people on both sides. we need to stay the heck out of their civil war. it's not that i'm against all intervention. i do see isis as a problem. isis is now a let to us, but i see our previous policy as having made worse. sending arms to so-called moderate islamic rebels in syria is a fool's errand and will only make isis stronger. >> a vote is expected to happen within the hour and we will bring you the results as soon as we get them. republicans, i think, and americans have to realize

democrats, as well, that there's no perfect plan out there to defeat isis. the president, i believe, needs our support right now and it seems that everyone is all over the map. it's not just political fodder especially as to what happened last night. there well's no doubt that it's pressing and it's getting closer to home. australian authorities foiled an alleged isis plot to seize random victims in the street of sydney and publicly behead them. nearly 1,000 police officers fanned out overnight to conduct raids. at least 15 suspects were detained. australia's prime minister says counterterrorism police intercepted a phone call two days ago. the call was reportedly between one of the people arrested and an alleged isis leader based in the mideast. >> exaltations, quite direct exaltations were coming from an australian who is apparently quite senior in isil to networks

of support back in australia to conduct demonstration killings here in this country. >> australia stopped this the plot with police action and there's no proof that arming syrian rebels is going to be as effective. we hope so. to date, the united states has carried out 176 missions in iraq and syria. get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think tonight. tonight's question, is it wise to arm syrian rebels. text a for yes. text b for no to 67622. we'll bring you the results later on in the show. i want to come now to chuck todd, the moderator of "meet the press," chuck, good to have you with us tonight. >> 71 democrats, in fact, some of the most loyal people to the president and some of his biggest defenders are saying no to this. this is a mixed bag, isn't it? >> it is. we're seeing, we talk about that there isn't a lot of ideological

diversity inside the two parties and national security issues you are. you highlighted it very well and you have isolationists versus interventionists on the the republican party and then you have the hawks and the doves and the basic hawks and the doves inside the democratic party and those divides, they've been there for years and i think we've seen them flourish here and this is not about president obama and the way we think about president obama politically. i really think this is a lot about iraq and a lot about iraq and the memories of iraq and for, i think some of these democrats, but also for some of these republicans that are again. st it it is this question of how do you prevent the slippery slope in syria because no one has effectively answered the question. you know, when you have military leaders close to the president advising them that you can't rule out combat troops and the president saying, no, there will not be american combat troops and we'll find others to do this, that means when you don't find the others who else is

there going to be when the military comes back to the president and you need something in there if you're going to make your plan work. so i think that that's why you're seeing this skepticism a little bit louder than normal. >> is it part of the equation that we're just such a war-torn country that the president knows he just can't go down that road or does he really believe that we can get this mission accomplished with just air power and i thought a telling question yesterday that was not answered by secretary kerry came from corker when he said what other countries will put boots on the ground. someone will have to get skin in the game on this or is it of the military thought that they can get this done with the way they have it set out right now? >> look, i do think there is politics impacting the president here and it is not just raw, crass pol it ticks. it's more of he believes the public isn't going support the idea of long-term combat troops in syria even. we're talking 20 or 25,000.

nobody is talking hundreds of thousands of combat troops when talking about this. they are talking about thousands. that doesn't say and that doesn't mean thousands aren't a lot as far as american blood and treasures are concerned, but that's the open -- i think the president believes he was elected to get america out of the middle east, to not have america as an occupying force and not use ground drops that way, and i think that's why he has been, i think, you can call him stubborn and that's why he's been defiant about this because that's not why he was elected and he knows it, and he also knows it's not sustainable with the american public. they might support it in the short term because a couple of beheadings have made americans fearful, but they're not going to support it long erm it. >> what kind of an impact do you think last night's events in australia will have on the senate vote? will that turn anybody's mind in favor of the president's plan to take some action and your thoughts on how the senate

vote's going to on go some. >> i think if anything it will probably move and more so on the democratic saturday and move a few, maybe if there were some wavering democrats sitting that were leaning no last night might move to yes, because i can tell you, i've been surprised and i'm sure, ed, you have been, too, the american public, these beheadings, this action by isis have been terrorizing the american public with vish also, social media with what they've done already and it has had an impact on public opinion and that has an impact on how these members vote. i think yet president has had frankly, such an easy time. think about where he was a year ago when he could not get a majority on either party of what he wanted to do in syria and now he has majorities in both parties supporting him on what he wants to do with syria and that's because the public is fearful. >> chuck todd, great to have you with us tonight. moderator of "meet the press."

let me bring in former congressman joe sestak, former three-star general of the united states navy and worked in navy intelligence. joe, unpack this for us. had is a situation where we really don't know who we're arming. we think we're arming the right people. there r are a lot of exclamation about no boots on the ground and so really, the $64 question at this hour is is the president right? can we do this mission without putting troops on the ground if they have a force of over 30,000? >> we have to separate it into two pieces. there's the iraq piece where we cannot permit them to have a safe haven, but i think you're talking right now about the syrian piece and that's where they still have about half their forces there. that's a lot tougher puzzle, but we actually do know who the more moderate rebels are. as i've said to you before, ed, we listened in with the radios

that we gave them with chips and other things, the jordanian intelligence units there really know who they are. isis is in the north and they're buttressed up against the border with turkey and turkey is over this. so we are able with the other players there r, the arabs and the turks to figure out who the more moderate ones are. properly trained and properly feed them, so to speak to go into battle. it is a very tough thing because it means that the suitcase on the ground has to be owned by the arabs and the turks doing that work. a lot tougher problem than it is in iraq. >> so to it -- and no one really knows how long this is going to take. this is so open-ended. it's hard to -- once you get in it's hard to get out and it seems like to me watching secretary kerry, there are some answers he just can't definitively answer, and i think that's what's troubling in all of this. there is an angle of a hope and

a prayer that this is going to work, isn't there? >> no, i don't think it's a hope and a prayer, but i do agree with the overall point. i don't think anyone can tell you when the global war on terror will end because the global war on terror cannot be won by the united states military. we can stop the problem from harms us, but we can't fix it it because it takes winning the hearts and minds of people and making the places less hospitable to the terrorists. >> yeah. >> i remember, ed, two days after 9/11 happened. i'd been stations in the pentagon and i was called up by chief naval operations and became dwoen as deep blue. two days later, we gave the natural operations some slides and the first one said he took in mr. rumsfeld. the global war of terror will go on at least for ten years and it was well before that. this is something about the hearts and minds of people. so you have to look at these missions as purely, what do we

do to stop militarily a safe haven from residing there? >> the president when he used the word destroy, i don't think he should have isis. eventually they're destroyed by becoming -- the people out there not wanting them there and that's a different battle. >> should congress be going home right now because that's what they're doing? >> absolutely not, and the senate should have the guts to stand up and vote separately like the house did of do you support the president or not? >> and i think we hear them complaining what's the strategy, what's this? why aren't they telling us where they stand on a separate vote rather than voting in on an overall bill, and i think that's frankly, shameless. >> it seems like we're looking for the perfect plan. we're measuring what the cost is going to be, what the result's going to be, what success is supposed to look like and nobody really knows any of that. >> well, you know, you can step back to world war ii and see

some of the problems we had as we lost some of our initial battles. look, however, we're much better at it than before, ed and this is the problem. we lack in the senate, and i would say the house. people who had been there, and understand that you need to define a mission and frankly the administration hasn't always done this well, define the benchmarks and the means to accomplish them and be transparent to the public. are we making those benchmarks, we don't use a means to an end type of approach anymore and i think that's disturbing, but part of the problem is this global war of terror eventually can be stopped by the military, but you can't fix it until we use the other means of the dip the maic or powers with the other nations there to make no one want are terrorists. >> so if joe sestak is in the senate tonight you vote in favor of this action if in arming the moderate syrian rebels in moving forward. >> i do.

and then i would do what we also learned in the military and we tend to forget. expect what you inspect. the execution of this plan is what's very vital. are we getting turkey not to be a big doughnut with a big hole in it where things flow back and forth across the border and they're not helping. then you can reassess your strategy and the means to your end to do something different. i don't think we have executed some of these items, these strategies well. >> joe sestak, appreciate your tile. remember to answer tonight's question there at the bottom of the screen. share your thoughts with us on twitter@ed show and on facebook. we appreciate the like and we want to know what you think. the senate is voting on whether to grant president obama the authority to train and equip syrian rebels to battle the islamic state. stay with us. we'll have the latest. plus the fight for workers' rights continues. 14,000 american airline workers voted to unionize, but let's not stop there. lets more coming up on that.

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case. governor walker said people getting unemployment benefits and food share should have to undergo drug testing. is it good policy or election-year politics? >> scott walker wants to drug test people on public assistance. >> walker says this would apply to able-bodied working age adults without kidses receiving unemployment and food stamps. >> the basic requirement for just about any employer out there is if they can pass a drug test. >> they don't know how much that will cost yet. >> it's a political ploy and a political statement by the governor. if someone wants our help we're more than happy to provide it, but why would we set someone up for failure. >> senator, good to have you with us. i think we need to point out that 11 states have implemented drug testing policies for people getting government aid. florida and georgia have had these laws overturned by the courts. so how does governor walker think this is going to play in his state? i mean, is there a real burning

desire some is there fraud in wisconsin when it comes to govern am aid? unpack it for us. >> not really, no. first of all, it's not going to fly in wisconsin, ed, because legally the governor can't do it. he wants the national stage and he's willing to go out and fight washington over this, but let's just take a look at it, for example, what florida did and the court stopped that less than 2% of the people they screened were caught using drugs and the governor of wisconsin and governor walker is that anybody who needs food stamps and an unemployment check must be on drugs and we better drug theft them. in the end, it will cost us more money than it's worth. wisconsin has a $1.8 billion deficit and we found out that our medicaid program will need another $760 million just to continue. so i don't know where the governor will get the money to pay for this, if he gets away with it at all, but in the end he's in a close race, very, very close race with mary burke and

he's thrown whatever he can at the wall just to see if something sticks. >> this will not save the taxpayers money, correct? >> no. it costs taxpayers money. it costs taxpayers money in florida and it would save florida money -- and it would save florida taxpayers money had they hundreded out the checks rather than make people go through the drug test. >> so if the states running a deficit and this clearly would not save the taxpayers any money or help the state treasury out, where ask this all come from? is this an effort to rile up the base because a marquette university law poll released on wednesday shows that walker and the challenger mary burke are tied among registered voters. but walker does have a slight advantage among likely voters. so is this just election-year politics at this point some he's trying to get people's attention that for one reason or another. >> very, very much so. this is designed to get the

republican base fired up for this campaign, but what the republican base probably isn't thinking about that if this actually happens in the state of wisconsin, some of them will lose a job and along with their application for unemployment insurance, go to the bathroom, use the cup and turn it in. again, in the long run, what he's trying to do is he's trying to fire up his base and this will cost taxpayers in the state of wisconsin. we have a deficit already and some think it's even more. our medicaid cost to continue is another $760 million. this is an expensive april. i don't know where he's going to get the money to do it if he gets away from doing it at all. >> have there been any republican senators that have gone to the floor saying we have to do this. is this walker's idea or is well a burning desire among his fellow lawmakers on his side that want to see this done some. >> nobody's talked about this on the wisconsin senate floor or the wisconsin state assembly. this is part of governor

walker's jobs package and it will not create a single job in the state of wisconsin where we continue to lag not only the in the midwest, but the rest of the nation in job growth here in wisconsin where we're hurting for job ms. wisconsin. so this was part of his jobs package that won't create a single job and in the long run it will cost taxpayers money and you underscore this and it is true, ed, he is in a race for his life and his political career being end on november 4th. he's throwing everything he can not only to rile up the base and try and keep on the national spotlight -- keep himself in the national spotlight as much as he possibly can can. >> so you think this is as much things aren't going very well and we have to crank out the vote here. i hear so much about political exhaustion although i was in iowa last weekend and that's the last thing i talked about is political exhaustion. people are on the issues. i know that isis and i know that the nfl, and it's all out there, but what are you hearing, john?

what are wisconsin voters focusing on? people are focusing on good, family supporting jobs here in the state of wisconsin. people are taking a look at what's going on with the neighbors in the midwest and they're taking a look at what's going on with the nation as a whole. the nation grew new jobs by 2.8% last year in wisconsin. we were at 1.3%. people need good, family supporting jobs. so if you're the governor and your main campaign promise like scott walker's was is i'm going to create 250,000 new jobs and he's only created 100,000 new jobs in the state of wisconsin. he's not going to want to talk about jobs and you throw things throughout like drug testing people who are down on their luck in case they need an unofment check and you put stuff out there to detract people from how bad things really are in the state of wisconsin compared to how well they're going in other states. his policies aren't working and rather than talk about the fact that we can fix things here and

fix things there, we'll keep our head down, keep going and throw stuff out there like welfare recipients. >> john, thanks so much. >> we continue to follow live voting on the senate floor. yesterday the house passed a bill that would allow defense department to train and arm syrian rebels. stay with us. we'll have the latest. plus, surprise, surprise. more government bashing by conservatives. pretenders coming up. next, your questions. ask ed live here on "the ed show" on msnbc. we're right back. whenwork with equity experts who work with regional experts that's when expertise happens. mfs. because there is no expertise without collaboration.

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liberty mutual insurance. welcome back to "the ed show," with less than 50 days until the midterm election i want to bring the focus back to what we've been talking about for a long time. jobses. now right now in the news cycle we're being bombarded with stories about isis, the nfl, all very important discussions, no doubt about it, but i do believe that we cannot ignore what is immediately hitting the concerns of the american people on their own kitchen table and we need to talk about what american families still really care about and what affects them. on tuesday afternoon 19 years of unionization efforts, american airlines customer service agents finally the got the vote they

needed to join a joint union. the story is much more than just 9,000 workers who are going to be getting representation and protections that they've been fighting for. it's proof if management and politicians allow the process to play out and allow the american people in the workplace to vote. you know, there will be an interesting result. they will go with the side of labor. now it's proof that there is a future part labor movement in the south. it's proof something can can be done about the attack on labor and the american workforce and hitting american families. it's just not noise. stand up and make themselves heard. that's exactly what they did with this vote, but when i was in iowa last weekend, i was expecting to hear a lot of talk about isis. we did a focus group down in texas on friday night after i did the the showdown in dallas. i brought up isis. i brought up the middle east. nobody knows anything about it. this has jumped on the american

people. what they are still caring about is their jobs, health care, their security, their family, their future and that's where american voters, i think are going to be. i don't know if the nfl is going to be motivating anybody to go vote in 50 days. i don't know if isis is going to be a big pusher. what's going to be a pusher is somebody's future, and where there's discrimination and there's a chance. for it to be answered at the polls, this is going to be the pusher even in an off-year election. all of the statistics say that it will be a low turnout. i don't buy that. i don't sense that. there's a lot of conversation about political exhaustion. i didn't sense that. in iowa over the weekend and nor did i down in texas last weekend. joining me now on the rapid response panel is leo gerard, president of the communication workers of america. where is america right now? mr. gerard, where do you think the people are are?

what do they -- what are they thinking about that's not being talked about? >> i think, ed, they're thinking about what you just said. they're thinking about the economy. they're thinking about jobs. they're thinking about health care. they're thinking about their retirement and kids being able to afford college and those are the debates that should be going on and those are the debates that democratic candidates at every level should be taking to the floor and ought to be talking about. people want to have a voice and i congratulate the cwa on their victory because what they're proving is workers in the south want a voice and they want an opportunity to have a union and make one point. more than 50% of the workers respond without corporate or boss interference they'd sign up right away. people want representation and they want well voices heard and they want to talk about the economic future for them, their family and their kids. >> it's about security as well and fairness in the workplace. >> what does this vote, larry, mean about the future of the labor movement? i mean, everybody's thinking,

gosh, if there's more votes, there will be more participation, but it's in the south where unions have been attacked tremendously. how do you read it? >> the new 9,000 women and men that voted overwhelmingly to join the association that had already existed are in basically two states, north carolina and texas and this shows that when the elected officials don't jump in like they did in tennessee and what we don't have over in union, they want to have a voice and they want to engage with management in a positive way and that's what these women and men arc cross the south as well as some in the north voted are for. i think leo's right and that's what people care about. the the economic future meaning in the work they do every day and their rights at work and americans want to join the 21st century. >> mr. cohen, how much of an effect do you think they had that it was an electronic vote that there wasn't somebody standing outside seeing who was coming into vote and what not?

what about that some. >> i think there are a number of factors and that probably accounts for part of it it, nobody's looking over it and they had four weeks to vote electronically either by phone or internet. the main thing is they worked at it for years and years and years and they failed before to get majority and this time they got it and i was with a bunch of them here that flew in on their own for the vote count and many were ecstatic and many of them were women who worked for 20 years. >> asking the question, where are the american people and it's interesting from this vote, most of the people that will be affected by this are women workers. hillary clinton had this to say on a panel that was hosted by the center of american progress. take a listen. >> the difficulties that women and men face in giving the kind of jobs that will provide the kind of income that they need for themselves and their families is broiling beneath the

surface of the political debates. we all see it. we know it. >> mr. gerard, your thoughts on th that? >> she's right on the points she's making. good jobs are offshore and we've seen the erosion of manufacturing from when it was 22% of the gross domestic product down below nine. we've lost 6 million to 7 million jobs as a result to rotten trade deals. she's right about that. we've seen the the attack on unions since ronald reagan and you see the growth of income as unions have declined and wokkers don't want a union. we've declined because the system is against them and people like corker butted in and helped threaten workers about joining a union. if the the national labor relations board can organize itself to be a moderate labor relations board to give workers more electronic voting to make sure that the voting happens quickly after they identified they want a union. people will join a union and as rotten as the labor laws are,

people are joining unions and particularly in the south and the labor movement is not dying. the labor movement will grow. >> this is something that american voters need to pay attention to. what's it going to be like pt republicans get the senate, mr. cohen when crowe have lamar alexander, the senator from tennessee proposing to reform the nlrb? >> his reforms mean gut the board. he just doesn't say what he really upons so his reforms are to have three democrats and three republicans require four of them to make a decision and that would mean that there won't be decisions made and that turns it back to where it was two years ago. so this is the wake-up call that you've been talking about for working people across the country. if we don't elect a senate that has a democratic majority leader we'll be getting that kind of labor law when we already have the lowest representation of any democracy in the world. 6% of private sector workers

have collected bargaining, the 19th century capitalist and no representation and no need to have a board that lives up to the preamble. the preamble of the law says promote collective bargaining. workers need rights. >> let me just add to what larry said, the fact of the matter is that collective bargaining and the right to join a union is basically the only right that's practiced in secret and workers that want to join the union try to do it in secret because the law is so weighed against them. bosses fire them and bosses call them in and give them lkt you ares and the outcome of that at the worst of cases, you get to do it again. >> so what we -- what we need is to elect the kind of people that understand if hillary clinton is right, we have to have massive changes in trade policy and the policy of the worker's right to join a union and all of those

things weren't an accident. they were brought to us by people who want to weaken the middle class. >> the window is narrowing between now and election day. what are unions going to do to get the vote out, mr. gerard? >> in our case we'll put literally thousands of people into the category of volunteering. we are building our ground big gain and building it effectively and saying to our people, your job is not to go knocking on doors. your job is to find 24 more people to go being comboing on doors and we'll have a massive ground game in congressional districts at the state level and statehouses so that we can return some sanity to the economic direction of this country. >> cwa, what are your planses. >> the new plan is that we'll take lamar alexander's picture and put it on leaf'lls in those key senate seats and say if weigh don't elect a democrat to the senate from your state this man will be chairing the labor committee and he is out to

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more pilots to fly missions over iraq, congress is leaving until after the election. they won't be back until november 12th. i am joined tonight by a senior fellow at the center for american progress and former assistant secretary of defense. good to have you with us. i'm struck by the limited amount of debate, both in the house and in the senate on this vote, which is going to call for millions of dollars to arm syrian rebels, moderates, whatever you want to call them. this is basically a situation where -- let me ask you, are we doing security on the cheap here? putting arms in the hands of anybody else to do the job? >> well, i think it's an idea that you're right, it needs a lot more debate. and the senate is worse than the house. they're tying it to a bill to keep the government open until december. so you're going to have people voting to say, well, i really

didn't support this, but i didn't want to close the government down. also in the senate, it's complicated because you have several people who are running for -- or thinking of running for president, and they remember what happened back in 2002 to people like then senator clinton and senator kerry who voted for the war in iraq, and it came back to haunt them when they ran for the presidency. >> so this seems to be a political set-up in favor of the democrats to get president obama the support. if it's connected to shutting down the government, no democrat wants to do that. this will tug the remembearm of and beg itch. manson said he's not going to vote for it. what about that? >> that's true. somebody like senator mansion and murphy, you got to hand it to them there, standing up for principle here, because it could cost them politically. and if you take a look, for

example, beg itch is up for re-election, whereas udall, who is also up for re-election, he said he was going to vote for it. if you take a look at the presidential candidates, rand paul and ted cruz are against it. whereas marco rubio is going to vote for it. and i think they will all be able to say, no, i wasn't for that, i was really for keeping the government open. i think, and i really give credit to people like manchion and murphy, they said they want a full debate on whether we really should be getting involved in syria. >> when you take a look at how this is unfolding, republicans are going to be able to come back and say, certainly i voted for it, but i wanted more. okay, if this mission doesn't work, that's going to be the politics of it for them. where the democrats are going to end up on this, well, certainly we're going to support the

president, we've got to give him what he wants, they can say they wanted to go more. there's a lot of things that can go wrong with this mission, but this basically is a vote to put arms and training in the hands of people we think are going to be loyal. and it's also a situation where we're not going to put any boots on the ground. in fact, there's no complete plan on this at this hour, correct? >> well, that's right. really, what we should have a debate is, our role in syria. i think iraq is pretty clear. we were asked in by the iraqi government. there are forces on the ground there. in syria, the government doesn't want us in. the international community doesn't want us in, and even if you can get these so-called free syrian army up and running, that will take quite a while. will they fight isil and ignore assad, which was their whole reason for being in the first

place. >> 50, yes, 50 no, the measure is not agreed upon. your thoughts? >> well, i think then the real question is, what happens to the training? you can't do it with the senate. you'll have to wait now until november 12th. but really, it will also make it difficult for the saudis to provide the facilities for -- >> what does this is a -- this is a to the coalition -- >> i think it makes it more difficult to get the coalition to deal with the situation in syria. iraq, you got good support there, but you don't have it in syria. i think this is a reflection, because it also keeps the government open. >> this is not a good night for the president. he did not get what he wanted

out of the senate. this is going to delay in the eyes of some our security. it's an amazing development. got to run, i appreciate your time tonight. thanks so much. that's the story at this hour. that's "the ed show." "politicsnation" with al sharpton starts right now. >> good evening and thanks to you for tuning in. i'm live tonight in cincinnati. we start with breaking news on capitol hill. the senate is voting on president obama's plan to train and arm moderate syrian rebels who are fighting the terrorist group isis. the house past the plan last night. the vote comes after a day of startling headlines about isis, suggesting the group's reach goes far beyond the middle east. early this morning, australian police arrested 15 people, stopping what they described as an isis