♪ due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. msnbc takes you behind the walls of america's most notorious prisons into a world of chaos and danger. now the scenes you have never seen. "lock up raw." over the years, we profiled inmates who have committed extreme acts of violence both in and out of prison.

though we found there's a special breed of criminal mind whose bizarre and violent actions seemingly no no end. >> i know i don't. >> you have a lot of people around in here. when we first met ivory taylor at california's pelican bay state prison, he had to be flanked by two officers for his interview in the security housing unit or the shu. >> i got it. you got it. look at this man here, he have this rambo camera. where you from? >> msnbc. >> nbc? >> msnbc. >> tell us who you are? >> i got two lives, and they call me godzilla because i have more points than anybody in the

prison system. i fight anybody. i've been in the hole 19 years straight. >> taylor spent all those years in the shu because of a list of violent infractions. >> i had my nose broke. hip broke, shoulder broke, foot broke all in confrontation with the police. yard distractions, hospital distractions. any place you can get a fight, i got into a fight with. >> when our crew later visited taylor's cell, he felt compelled to let the producer know that nobody is entirely safe around him. >> i don't know if you want to run in here. >> gradually he became more comfortable. >> tell me about your cell what do you got in here? >> you don't see anything in here but one book, my medication resource, that's my one bar of soap that i put together to do

one bar. >> what do you do with this butter? >> that's the real thing on the streets, but that's what they use in here. you can't get whatever they selling on the streets, ky jelly, whatever that is. that's what that is. >> i use my butter to make impregs, they call salologram. >> taylor was referring to the bizarre defiled letters that he sends to prison officials. >> a typical letter will be a five page scrolled letter with the second and third pages completely coated with semen, and an imprint on the third page. he tries to get a reaction out of me. i answer whatever question he has and send it back. >> taylor also has a reaction

for his enemies who might one day see this interview. >> i got killing to do. i have a big mouth. i have a big heart to back it up. you talk about tv personality, i have people fertilizing bushes. i have people who will come up six feet short. it will be like that for a while now. they rather get aids than get next to me. we would rather catch ebola than get next to me. all right. i see you when i see you. probably won't see you in a long time. >> you'll see me. >> okay. fleece johnson stirred up more than his share of trouble behind bars. johnson's first arrest was at the age of 15 for armed robbery. since then he has spent more than 30 years behind bars. most of them within the stone ramparts of kentucky state

penitentiar penitentiary. >> this was like a gladiator school down there. you come down here, you either going to fight, you will be somebody's punk. it's just that simple. so, to survive in here, i had to fight. so we fought. and i whooped ass all around this prison. >> johnson recalls the legacy of violence he unleashed on officers during his time at kentucky's three-cell house, the hole. >> when they came up to my cell, turn around, be handcuffed. i say [ bleep ] you. come in here and get me. when they come to fight me, i don't play. i've been shackled to the bed i don't know how many times. i have been maced so much, they said done even mace him, it don't affect him. he's immune to it. they take me and shoot me with a taser gun, whatever, because it

takes more than that to calm me down. when they come out with somebody new, they come to me and try it on me. see if it works. >> i got the sense that fleece loved to have an audience. he was a great story teller, he knew it. >> a lot of officers i fought, some of them quit through me. i made them quit. >> one of those officers barely escaped with his life. >> i took a five gallon bucket with salt, bleach, everything in it. it was so hot, as soon as i threw it in there, it curled up. that's how hot it was. i threw it on him. threw the whole bucket on him. >> what did he do that made you want to assault him? >> he disrespected me. that's all it takes.

back then, that's all it took. just a simple disrespect. >> the co survived, but the incident caused the state to s institute hazard pay for officers. it wasn't just ksp officers who experienced his wrath. he also took it out on his own cellment. >> i will say i tore about 400 toilets out of the wall and tore them up. i tore about 5,000, 6,000 mattresses, probably 20,000 sheets, blankets, doors i tore off the hinges. things like that. you talking millions that they was -- one man was costing the state millions. couldn't nobody break me. nobody. >> these days, fleece claims he is too old for the violence he used to commit and the prison

has even released him from segregation for good behavior. but slowing down can't reduce the consequences of his actions. they're beginning to weigh a little more heavily on his mind. >> the most disturbing thing of it all is the day when it occurred to a person, that all the years that you fought physical battles, that you thought with you right, good, just, was wrong. to know that is a very hurting thing. because you look back over all the people you have hurted through your battles and it's -- it's painful. and, so, the only way to make good on it is to do something constructive and hope that it makes a difference somewhere. coming up on "lockup raw." >> i started singing the battle

him of the republic. >> two inmates kill when their minds turn on them. >> my mom says frankie, frankie what are you doing? >> their stories share a horrifying twist. >> i heard this voice that said you have to eat some of her brains to become part of you.

due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. ♪ the wabash valley correctional facility in indiana houses a large number of inmates who are or were considered mentally ill at the time of their crimes. >> come back here. >> when "lockup" visited there, we met two such inmates. they killed after their own minds turned on them. and their murders took on

dimensions that were not only shocking, they were unimaginable. >> my name is howard franklin street jr. i'm 38 years old. i've been down since 1993 for shooting my mom. >> during our first day of shooting at wabash, our "lockup" crew met frank street, an inmate housed in the prison's residential treatment unit. at the time of the interview, street was experiencing involuntary tremors due to his medication. >> i started having delusions that people were out to hurt me. and i had this video cassette tape of a party and showed people hurting me, you know. and i showed it to my parents, ain't nothing to it. i thought you guys were crazy. i don't know what you're talking about. they were thinking sane, they were sane. i was the crazy one. >> a short time later, street's delusions got the better of him. >> i loaded up my dad's 30/30. because i thought these people were after me. my parents came home, and my

mama came up and said frankie, what are you doing? what are you doing? my mom reached up for the gun and she was freaking out. i was freaking out, too. i shot her right in the head with the 30/30. >> even more shocking and disturbing than frank street shooting his mother in the head is what he did after he killed her. and we'll warn you, what you're about to hear is extremely graphic. >> i became delusional. i sang and sang. and i heard this voice that said you've got to eat some of her brains for her to become part of you. >> street had been diagnosed as having advanced schizophrenia and at the time of our interview was regularly receiving medication and counseling in the residential treatment unit. >> i should have been in a mental hospital. it's been 13 years. i've been to all these psychiatrists and i've learned to deal with it. i feel that the -- i feel that i've done the time. especially when i'm not -- i wasn't a sane person who did that back then. you don't eat brains from someone's body if you're sane. >> many of the murderers we've interviewed show little or no

remorse for their crimes. street is tormented by his. >> it's horrible. i -- i've come to terms with myself that i'm sure someday i'm going to kill myself. i've decided to do that. and that way i can go be with my mom. i'm not as bad as i used to be. i'm not acting real crazy or nothing. i'm not really crazy acting no more. got some new socks. that's what everybody's socks are looking like, like that. that's all i have to say. >> in the wake of interviewing frank street and hearing the

graphic details surrounding his mother's murder, the "lockup" team never imagined we'd encounter another inmate at wabash with a similar story. then, we were introduced to 47-year-old joseph garner. >> i've been down 9 1/2 years, have 22 1/2 more to go. i've been -- my crime is murder. and i cannibalized during the process. >> garner killed his father on christmas eve 1995. at the time, he believed his dad was preventing the second coming of christ. again, we'll warn you, his account of the murder is extremely graphic. >> i eventually told him to sit in the chair and not to move. and i started singing "the battle hymn of the republic." glory, glory, hallelujah. i told him they're coming. do you hear them? i was wigged out completely at that time. he must have got scared. and he jumped up and tried to push me aside and i thought he was attacking me.

i stabbed him in the back. he took about three steps. i tackled him from behind, somehow got behind him and slit his throat. and i remember him saying please don't kill me. that's when i realized, oh, my god. what am i doing? >> our producer later described her interview with garner as exhausting as he often took the conversation on bizarre tangents. >> each and every nanosecond, moment, impulse second, whatever the latest measurement of time is. repressed freudian alien who had snowballed emotionally and was repressed with drugs and alcohol. and witnessed by 10,000 people at a country hoedown concert in >> it was another few minutes before our producer could bring him back to the details of his crime. what he told us was both shocking and disturbing. >> open up my -- i pulled his brain out and took a bite out of it. >> like frank street, garner was housed in the residential treatment unit.

but it was clear that not only does he still struggle with what he did, he worries about what he still might do. >> it's heinous. if i had -- i believe in an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. if i had my way, i believe they should take my life. even though there were extenuating circumstances that were both mitigating and aggravating, that my judge was very pointed to point out, i still think having crossed that line, it's therefore that much easier to go back across. there's less inhibition to take another life now, especially even my own. i've threatened that several times. next on "lockup: raw" -- a self-proclaimed white supremacist inmate.

>> oh, [ bleep ]. of all the memorable inmates interviewed on "lockup" one made such a visually shocking impression he stands alone in the history of the series. when you look at curtis with all the tattoos all over his face, he's really physically intimidating. when we first met curtis allgier it didn't take long for tattoos to become the foe kiss of the intervie interview. >> tell me about your tattoos what some of them mean. >> i've been getting tattoos since i was 13 years old. my whole family tattoos. that's what i do on the street. i'm a tattoo artist. some of them have certain meanings. my wife's name across my

forehead. love my lady. other ones are my political beliefs. >> allgier's political beliefs have to do with his life long affiliation with the skin heads. >> i was raised that way. born into it my dad, my uncles, my cousins. being a skin head is a way of life. it's preserving your race, being here for who you are and wanting to be better than that. a swastika is a symbol, i wear it as a sign of pride of who i am. >> allgier gave a more detailed account of his views in this previously unaired footage. >> what is the most painful? >> a toss up between the toes and the lip. i was thinking they won't hurt that bad. god. don't look at me as my tattoos and be, oh my god, that guy is a

felon or white supremacist. i'm proud of who i am. i'm proud to have my family be who we are but i'm not a bad person because i got tattoos. being a white supremacist is not a bad thing. >> and according to allgier, being a white supremacist doesn't mean that he belongs to one of utah state's white supremacist prison gangs. >> you've got sackensaw, forthright, k.b., and those dudes aren't white supremacists. they're not part of a white supremacist. they were started by people who were rats and p.c. cases. >> the interesting thing about curtis was he claims he's not in a gang. he's not a gang member. he's just a white supremacist, a skinhead. and he thought there was a really, really severe difference. >> i'm no part of them. i have never been a part of them nor will i ever be a part of them. those dudes, in my mind, are weak and lame. they're not white supremacists,

nor will they ever be. >> and at that point, one of the officers leaned into my ear and said if you use that, he is going to get attacked. he is going to get stabbed. >> while inmates like allgier are completely aware that talking about gangs could put them in peril, it is a risk they have taken time and time again when interviewed on "lockup." >> we knew theoretically that sound bite might put him in danger, but we also knew on the other hand how important it was to curtis that that distinction be made. that's the choice we went with. >> two years after this interview, curtis would make the worst decision of his life. one that virtually guarantees that he will die in prison. >> the suspect was able to get the guard's weapon away from him and at least one shot was fired. >> on june 25th, 2007, during a visit to an area hospital, allgier allegedly disarmed, shot and killed the correctional officer escorting him. >> curtis called me and told me

that he had killed a cop, that he had escaped. i asked him what had happened. he told me that he was sorry, that he loved me and he kept saying, i'm sorry, i love you. >> after fleeing the hospital, he was taken back into custody 45 minutes later at a fast food restaurant. >> i remember thinking, curtis was in for burglary, forgery, escape. he was going to do less than 15 years. curtis was going home. and now he's never going to go home. >> it's not cool to be here. and living this lifestyle, it will screw up your life. i can't tell him don't do it because i've done it. but i can tell him that this isn't the way to go. you're not going to gain from coming here. you lose everything.

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